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2014-01-23 by Sam Kanter
2014-01-23 by Bill Brandom
You will need either a Mark IV or E3 Disklavier Piano. Bill Sent from my iPhone. On Jan 23, 2014, at 11:04 AM, Sam Kanter <skanter123@...> wrote: I was intrigued with the idea of remote DKL lessons (or any communication of two DKVs) as discussed in the Music Trades article I posted. What is needed to have one DKV communicate with another over the internet? Would it be possible with my old MK II DKV? Sam Kanter www.keyboardcollective.com (212) 684-3304
2014-01-23 by Sam Kanter
You will need either a Mark IV or E3 Disklavier Piano.BillSent from my iPhone.I was intrigued with the idea of remote DKL lessons (or any communication of two DKVs) as discussed in the Music Trades article I posted.
What is needed to have one DKV communicate with another over the internet? Would it be possible with my old MK II DKV?
2014-01-23 by <scott.cammack@...>
For those not having the newer DKV, it's probably possible to do this via MIDI. For example, my Macbook (in fact, all current OSX and IOS devices) support Apple's IAC for MIDI. There is also a network widget which will connect to another Mac device over a network (and if I understand correctly, over the internet) and exchange MIDI data. The MIDI data could then be locally interfaced to the MIDI connections on older DKVs.
Sam, let me know if you want to give this a try.
Scott
2014-01-24 by Sam Kanter
Sounds cool, I would try it if it didn't eat up huge amounts of time. I have a Win7 machine tho, not a Mac. Do have iPad and iPhone. Sam www.keyboardcollective.com (212) 684-3304 *(Sent from phone - please excuse brevity and typos.)
> On Jan 23, 2014, at 6:17 PM, <scott.cammack@...> wrote: > > For those not having the newer DKV, it's probably possible to do this via MIDI. For example, my Macbook (in fact, all current OSX and IOS devices) support Apple's IAC for MIDI. There is also a network widget which will connect to another Mac device over a network (and if I understand correctly, over the internet) and exchange MIDI data. The MIDI data could then be locally interfaced to the MIDI connections on older DKVs. > > > > Sam, let me know if you want to give this a try. > > > > Scott > > > >
2014-01-24 by <rightnightboy@...>
Hi!
There is this software that would probably work (i didn't try it) :
Internet midi
http://www.zenph.com/im2
2014-01-24 by Skanter123
The video from Zenph site only mentions DKV D3 and MkIV. Is there any reason it wont work with older models? I would like to try this! Anyone want a remote lesson DKV to DKV? Sam Kanter www.keyboardcollective.com (212) 684-3304
> On Jan 24, 2014, at 12:12 AM, <rightnightboy@...> wrote: > > Hi! > > There is this software that would probably work (i didn't try it) : > > Internet midi > > http://www.zenph.com/im2 > >
2014-01-24 by <rightnightboy@...>
Would be interesting to try indeed. I have a MKIIxg with the DKC-850 and a mac or ipad or iphone BUT only possible beginning of next week (im in Nice France)
2014-01-26 by Skanter123
> http://www.zenph.com/im2 > Scott Cammack and I experimented with a demo version of Zenph today, and despite a few glitches got it working. Scott played a nice tune live for me (on both our DKVs) and I for him! He will fill in more technical details later (he is more adept in that category) but I would considering buying this software if there were others who also had it and were interested in remote communications, playing, or possible lessons. Sam www.keyboardcollective.com (212) 684-3304
> On Jan 24, 2014, at 12:12 AM, "rightnightboy@..." <rightnightboy@...> wrote: > > Hi! > > There is this software that would probably work (i didn't try it) : > > Internet midi > > http://www.zenph.com/im2 > >
2014-01-26 by Scott Cammack
My fellow DKV enthusiasts, As noted by Sam earlier, he and I spent some time trying to connect our DKVs over the internet. Here's a run-down of our experiences: 1) We first tried to connect using MIDI over the Real Time Protocol (RTPMidi) over the internet. Built into OSX on the Mac is a Network widget, which implements the protocol. You can get free software written by Tobias Erichsen which runs on Windows and implements the same protocol at the following address: http://www.tobias-erichsen.de/software/rtpmidi.html Given that this software is built into the Mac, and free for Windows, it seemed like a good starting point. Sam and I configured to software, cabled up our computers to the DKVs using MIDI cables, and tried to connect over the internet. We ran into a snag here, because as some of you may know the routers at our respective homes try to provide a basic level of security by blocking intrusion of some internet traffic. In our case, the routers rejected to RTPMidi traffic. For those who wish to pursue this route of connection, it would be necessary to map a couple of ports on your router to be forwarded to the computer running the RPTMidi software, and then you could get this working; details for the basic approach can be found on Tobias' site in the tutorial for his software (requires forwarding two successive ports). But that's probably beyond what could be expected of many folks, and as Sam was interested in a solution that just about anyone could use, we began to seek an alternative. As had been pointed out in this group earlier, Zenph sells a software package that provides for connection of Midi devices over the internet, and you can download a Demo version to try it out. Here's the link: http://www.zenph.com/im2 The Demo has full functionality, but is limited to running for 15 mins at a time, and you can only run it 29 times total. We both downloaded the demo (I got the Mac version, he got the Windows version). About the only setup we had to do was to enable connections from the internet via a checkbox. Then I entered his public IP address into a dialog box, hit a 'Connect' button, and voila! we were able to play each other's Disklavier! It was a very exciting moment for us both! There was one potential glitch that we ran across: It seems that my MX100B was designed so that it *always* does a Midi Thru function, and I couldn't find any way to turn this off. Sam's later model (I think he has a Mark II) has a setting for enabling Midi Thru. At any rate, since my MX100B always does Midi Thru, when Sam would send Midi to play my DKV, then the data would be replicated via Midi Thru, and resent back to him. The result was that, after a slight delay, his piano would also play back the same notes he had sent to my piano. So this little problem was a bit of a nuisance, but only slightly diminished our enjoyment. As it turns out, there are selectable buttons on the Zenph Internet Midi which enable you to disable either the incoming or the outgoing Midi messages, and by temporarily turning off my outgoing Midi messages I was able to make it so that Sam could play my DKV from his without the notes being echoed back to him after a delay. I think that our little experiment was a lot of fun, and encourage anyone else who is interested to try it out. Sam is considering whether it would make a useful tool for piano instruction with remote users (would of course work with any Midi keyboard, not just the DKV). Feel free to direct any questions you may have to either Sam or me. Cheers! Scott Cammack
2014-01-27 by <rightnightboy@...>
There is also :
http://yamahaden.com
which is the "official" yamaha way ... interesting in its own right !
2014-01-29 by FC TC
Kudos to Scott and Sam for sharing your project. I'm watching with interest. Fred, NJ On Monday, January 27, 2014 8:36 AM, "rightnightboy@hotmail.com" <rightnightboy@...> wrote: There is also : http://yamahaden.com which is the "official" yamaha way ... interesting in its own right !