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DKV piano concerto with real orchestra. Delay problem between themselves

DKV piano concerto with real orchestra. Delay problem between themselves

2014-02-16 by Julien Roche

Hello everybody,

I am using piano concerto CD with QRS system with my DKV Mark IV to have real orchestra.

Using local loudspaekers it works very well.

In order to improve the impression of been inside a Concert Hall, I replaced the 2 local loudspeakers by 6 high quality lourspeakers connected with SONOS system. This SONOS system introduces an additional delay of about 250ms (1/4 of second) for the orchestra which is very uncomfortable as orchestra comes late (0.4 sec) after piano...

How can I adjust to compensate such delay ?

Thank you for your precious help
Best
Julien


Re: [disklavier] DKV piano concerto with real orchestra. Delay problem between themselves

2014-02-16 by Spencer Chase

DKV uses a 500 ms delay for piano. do you need an additional 250 ms besides this? does anyone know if you can change the 500 ms delay to 750? if not, you could build an analog delay line for the piano channel (or buy one but they ain't cheap) but the simpler solution would be to edit the audio file in a program such as Audacity. you can shift one channel and save the modified file pretty easily.
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On 2/16/2014 1:27 AM, Julien Roche wrote:
Hello everybody,

I am using piano concerto CD with QRS system with my DKV Mark IV to have real orchestra.

Using local loudspaekers it works very well.

In order to improve the impression of been inside a Concert Hall, I replaced the 2 local loudspeakers by 6 high quality lourspeakers connected with SONOS system. This SONOS system introduces an additional delay of about 250ms (1/4 of second) for the orchestra which is very uncomfortable as orchestra comes late (0.4 sec) after piano...

How can I adjust to compensate such delay ?

Thank you for your precious help
Best
Julien



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Re: [disklavier] DKV piano concerto with real orchestra. Delay problem between themselves

2014-02-16 by Bill Brandom

Hi Spencer and Julien, 


Version 4.0 provides functions for changing piano timing to match delayed video and audio issues. Julien, for your issue try OUTPUT Offset. This should take care of your issue. Instructions are as follows:



A-MIDI OFFSET
 For some display devices, the videoimages may be displayed a little bit later than the piano playing when
playing back the DVD software thatcontains the analog MIDI signal. To eliminate this delay, you can adjust the offsettime that controls the actual playback of the piano. A delay is applied to theincoming analog MIDI signal. The offset time can be set in a range of –500 msto 0 ms. Decrease this value to delay the piano.
 
 [OUTPUT Offset]
For some speakers or digitalamplifiers, the audio from the Disklavier may be output a little bit later thanthe acoustic piano playing. To eliminate this delay, you can adjust the offsettime for the sound output. This setting is applied to the outgoing audio signalfrom the OUTPUT jacks, OMNI OUT jacks, and DIGITAL OUT jack. Decrease thisvalue to advance the sound output. The offset time can be set in a range of –100ms to 0 ms. Decrease this value to delay the piano. 
 
Tap on SETUP, then AUDIO I/O. Tap onA-MIDI OFFSET or OUTPUT OFFSET, depending on what you are trying to do. Thenpress the 9:00 or 3:00 positions on the outer ring of the SELECT button toadjust offset time.


Bill
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        DKV uses a 500 ms delay for piano. do you need an additional 250 ms    besides this? does anyone know if you can change the 500 ms delay to    750? if not, you could build an analog delay line for the piano    channel (or buy one but they ain't cheap) but the simpler solution    would be to edit the audio file in a program such as Audacity. you    can shift one channel and save the modified file pretty easily. 
    
    
On 2/16/2014 1:27 AM, Julien Roche      wrote:
    
    
                  
            
              
                
                  
                    
Hello                      everybody,
                    

                    
                    
I am using piano                      concerto CD with QRS system with my DKV Mark IV to                      have real orchestra.
                    

                    
                    
Using                      local loudspaekers it works very well.
                    

                    
                    
In order to                      improve the impression of been inside a Concert                      Hall, I replaced the 2 local loudspeakers by 6                      high quality lourspeakers connected with SONOS                      system. This SONOS system introduces an additional                      delay of about 250ms (1/4 of second) for the                      orchestra which is very uncomfortable as orchestra                      comes late  (0.4 sec) after piano...
                    

                    
                    
How can I adjust                      to compensate such delay ?
                    

                    
                    
Thank you for                      your precious help
                    
Best
                    
Julien
                    

                    
                    

                    
                  
                
              
            
          
                          
    
    
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Best regards, Spencer Chase
67550-Bell Springs Rd.
Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only.
Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only.
Spencer@...
http://www.spencerserolls.com
(707) 984-8356 
(425) 791-0309

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