Disklavier

I'm a new member.  I spent several enjoyable hours last night 
reading though the archives.  The pricing database was also very 
educational.

I am in search of a Disklavier, preferably Mark II and newer.  Would 
appreciate any pointers to individuals, dealers and RPTs familiar 
this line of pianos in the Northern California area.  Would be 
willing to travel for the right piano.

Ideally, I'd like a DC3A but that will be on the high on of my 
budget.  I was wondering if getting an upright is a good idea, to 
get a feel for the Disklavier system.

Some questions:

  - what's the difference between the DC3 and DC3A?

  - what's the difference between the MPX1Z and the older MPX1?

Any advice would be much appreciated.

Paul

Paul,

Used Disklaviers for sale are pretty scarce.  Once in awhile, one may show up on
e-Bay.  A search of the Web may lead you to dealers who know how to reach a wide
audience.  Individual authorized Yamaha dealers should be a likely source of
trade-ins, if that is what you are looking for.  Be cautious of gray market
Yamaha pianos not made for the American market.  Those marketed for the Orient,
for example, often are not supported once they reach the U.S.

To locate Yamaha dealers around the U.S., start with
http://www.yamaha.com/dlrsel.htm

For a new piano, I would suggest negotiating with a number of dealers around the
country.  Shipping a piano across the country needn't be a big deal.  But first,
you'll want to survey the available models and decide which is for you.  New
models are described on http://www.yamaha.com/pianos.htm  Find a nearby dealer
who is friendly and not too busy.  Hang around the store for awhile to ask
questions and get demonstrations and catalogs.  For laughs, you can even ask for
prices.  Don't faint when the salesman writes vague round figures on your
brochure.  You are not going to pay that price.

Once you are serious about purchasing, contact the bigger dealers in some major
cities for ball park prices.  Let them know that you are shopping around.  You
may approach and negotiate with dealers anywhere, although only a Yamaha dealer
in your territory may first seek you out.  When you have some quotes, go back to
each one and ask if they'd like to beat the best quote you've received.  After
that second round, decide what you would like in a package deal--the piano, an
adjustable artist bench, a dozen PianoSoft disks, a humidifier, shipping, set-up
in your home, and an initial tuning, for example.  Let the dealers that you have
talked to know that you are sincere and ready to buy and call for their best and
final offers on your package. 

If a good price is important to you, don't get in a big hurry to buy.  There are
dealer sales competitions that may lower your price and Yamaha America sometimes
has stock that is not moving that they will offer to a dealer at an attractive
wholesale price.  The dealer may try to tell you that the Yen exchange rate may
soon raise prices, but I doubt that that has much to do with what you'll pay.

You may be wondering how a dealer in, say, Seattle will set up and tune your
piano in California.  Many dealers depend upon independent piano technicians to
do that work.  The dealer, or you, will likely contact a local piano technician
to actually do the work.  That also may give you an opportunity to choose a
technician who has had Disklavier training.  If there are any warranty problems,
your local technician can attend to them and work out his payment with the
dealer and Yamaha.

If you're considering a used instrument, pay a registered piano technician (RPT)
to look under the hood first and give you a private appraisal.

For five years, I've owned and enjoyed a DC3F Mark II grand that I bought from
Portland, Oregon, and had shipped to Anchorage.  I've had no significant
problems with the instrument.  The dealer has always stood by the sale and has
treated me cordially, although it has been my local RPT who has done all the
maintenance and tuning.

Since I'm not an expert on the various models of Disklavier, I will leave it to
others to explain the model differences you asked about.

Good luck!

Bob Welcyng

paulnerd wrote:
> 
> I'm a new member.  I spent several enjoyable hours last night
> reading though the archives.  The pricing database was also very
> educational.
> 
> I am in search of a Disklavier, preferably Mark II and newer.  Would
> appreciate any pointers to individuals, dealers and RPTs familiar
> this line of pianos in the Northern California area.  Would be
> willing to travel for the right piano.
> 
> Ideally, I'd like a DC3A but that will be on the high on of my
> budget.  I was wondering if getting an upright is a good idea, to
> get a feel for the Disklavier system.
> 
> Some questions:
> 
>   - what's the difference between the DC3 and DC3A?
> 
>   - what's the difference between the MPX1Z and the older MPX1?
> 
> Any advice would be much appreciated.
> 
> Paul
> 
> To Post a message to the group, send it to:   disklavier@...
> 
> To Post a private message to Todd Muncy, the group's founder and moderator, send it to:
> disklavier-owner@...
> 
> To reach our group's web site go to:
> http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier
> 
> Todd's family web site was completely rewritten in June 2001 and contains some fun disklavier content and links to midi sites among other things, The url is:
> http://MuncyFamily.com
> 
> THINKING OF LEAVING THE GROUP?
> If you are thinking of unsubcribing because you are getting too much mail, go the the web site and change your email delivery option instead.  That will fix the problem, while maintaining your access to the group.  If you insist on leaving us completely send a blank email to:
> disklavier-unsubscribe@...
> 
> Know someone who wants to join?  Have them send a blank email to:
> disklavier-subscribe@... or give them this link:
> http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier/join
> 
> 
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

-- 
Robert Welcyng
Anchorage, Alaska

In addition to what Robert said, there can be a
significant tax savings to buying from out of state. 
If you buy from a remote dealer across state lines you
are essentially buying by mail order.  That means you
won't have to pay sales tax for the piano.  On a
$10,000 purchase that can more than make up any
charges for shipping, setup etc...

When I bought my piano I bought it from a dealer in
Florida who shipped it to Tennessee where I lived at
the eime.  No sales tax and a $200.00 shipping fee.  I
picked the piano up myself (It was crated very well)
at the warehouse with a covered u-haul trailer took it
home and set it up myself.  It has worked great for 11
years now and been moved all over the world during my
career with the Navy.  Im happy to say it is now in
Austin Texas where i had no trouble getting the local
dealer to come out and regulate it after I moved here
this spring.

 
--- "Robert E. Welcyng" <rwelcyng@...> wrote:
> Paul,
> 
> Used Disklaviers for sale are pretty scarce.  Once
> in awhile, one may show up on
> e-Bay.  A search of the Web may lead you to dealers
> who know how to reach a wide
> audience.  Individual authorized Yamaha dealers
> should be a likely source of
> trade-ins, if that is what you are looking for.  Be
> cautious of gray market
> Yamaha pianos not made for the American market. 
> Those marketed for the Orient,
> for example, often are not supported once they reach
> the U.S.
> 
> To locate Yamaha dealers around the U.S., start with
> http://www.yamaha.com/dlrsel.htm
> 
> For a new piano, I would suggest negotiating with a
> number of dealers around the
> country.  Shipping a piano across the country
> needn't be a big deal.  But first,
> you'll want to survey the available models and
> decide which is for you.  New
> models are described on
> http://www.yamaha.com/pianos.htm  Find a nearby
> dealer
> who is friendly and not too busy.  Hang around the
> store for awhile to ask
> questions and get demonstrations and catalogs.  For
> laughs, you can even ask for
> prices.  Don't faint when the salesman writes vague
> round figures on your
> brochure.  You are not going to pay that price.
> 
> Once you are serious about purchasing, contact the
> bigger dealers in some major
> cities for ball park prices.  Let them know that you
> are shopping around.  You
> may approach and negotiate with dealers anywhere,
> although only a Yamaha dealer
> in your territory may first seek you out.  When you
> have some quotes, go back to
> each one and ask if they'd like to beat the best
> quote you've received.  After
> that second round, decide what you would like in a
> package deal--the piano, an
> adjustable artist bench, a dozen PianoSoft disks, a
> humidifier, shipping, set-up
> in your home, and an initial tuning, for example. 
> Let the dealers that you have
> talked to know that you are sincere and ready to buy
> and call for their best and
> final offers on your package. 
> 
> If a good price is important to you, don't get in a
> big hurry to buy.  There are
> dealer sales competitions that may lower your price
> and Yamaha America sometimes
> has stock that is not moving that they will offer to
> a dealer at an attractive
> wholesale price.  The dealer may try to tell you
> that the Yen exchange rate may
> soon raise prices, but I doubt that that has much to
> do with what you'll pay.
> 
> You may be wondering how a dealer in, say, Seattle
> will set up and tune your
> piano in California.  Many dealers depend upon
> independent piano technicians to
> do that work.  The dealer, or you, will likely
> contact a local piano technician
> to actually do the work.  That also may give you an
> opportunity to choose a
> technician who has had Disklavier training.  If
> there are any warranty problems,
> your local technician can attend to them and work
> out his payment with the
> dealer and Yamaha.
> 
> If you're considering a used instrument, pay a
> registered piano technician (RPT)
> to look under the hood first and give you a private
> appraisal.
> 
> For five years, I've owned and enjoyed a DC3F Mark
> II grand that I bought from
> Portland, Oregon, and had shipped to Anchorage. 
> I've had no significant
> problems with the instrument.  The dealer has always
> stood by the sale and has
> treated me cordially, although it has been my local
> RPT who has done all the
> maintenance and tuning.
> 
> Since I'm not an expert on the various models of
> Disklavier, I will leave it to
> others to explain the model differences you asked
> about.
> 
> Good luck!
> 
> Bob Welcyng
> 
> paulnerd wrote:
> > 
> > I'm a new member.  I spent several enjoyable hours
> last night
> > reading though the archives.  The pricing database
> was also very
> > educational.
> > 
> > I am in search of a Disklavier, preferably Mark II
> and newer.  Would
> > appreciate any pointers to individuals, dealers
> and RPTs familiar
> > this line of pianos in the Northern California
> area.  Would be
> > willing to travel for the right piano.
> > 
> > Ideally, I'd like a DC3A but that will be on the
> high on of my
> > budget.  I was wondering if getting an upright is
> a good idea, to
> > get a feel for the Disklavier system.
> > 
> > Some questions:
> > 
> >   - what's the difference between the DC3 and
> DC3A?
> > 
> >   - what's the difference between the MPX1Z and
> the older MPX1?
> > 
> > Any advice would be much appreciated.
> > 
> > Paul
> > 
> > To Post a message to the group, send it to:  
> disklavier@...
> > 
> > To Post a private message to Todd Muncy, the
> group's founder and moderator, send it to:
> > disklavier-owner@...
> > 
> > To reach our group's web site go to:
> > http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier
> > 
> > Todd's family web site was completely rewritten in
> June 2001 and contains some fun disklavier content
> and links to midi sites among other things, The url
> is:
> > http://MuncyFamily.com
> > 
> > THINKING OF LEAVING THE GROUP?
> > If you are thinking of unsubcribing because you
> are getting too much mail, go the the web site and
> change your email delivery option instead.  That
> will fix the problem, while maintaining your access
> to the group.  If you insist on leaving us
> completely send a blank email to:
> > disklavier-unsubscribe@...
> > 
> > Know someone who wants to join?  Have them send a
> blank email to:
> > disklavier-subscribe@... or give them this
> link:
> > http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier/join
> > 
> > 
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> 
> -- 
> Robert Welcyng
> Anchorage, Alaska
> 
> ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor
> 
> To Post a message to the group, send it to:  
> disklavier@...
> 
> To Post a private message to Todd Muncy, the group's
> founder and moderator, send it to:
> disklavier-owner@...
> 
> To reach our group's web site go to:
> http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier
> 
> Todd's family web site was completely rewritten in
> June 2001 and contains some fun disklavier content
> and links to midi sites among other things, The url
> is:
> http://MuncyFamily.com
> 
> THINKING OF LEAVING THE GROUP?
> 
=== message truncated ===


__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of
your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com
or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com

Good morning, everyone.

In a message dated 12/11/01 9:57:47 PM, Paul writes:

<<   - what's the difference between the DC3 and DC3A? >>

The letter "A" indicates that this is the Mark III vintage Disklavier. The 
Mark III has a silent system and a CD-ROM drive. The DC3A is the smallest 
Mark III that uses hammer sensors (as opposed to key sensors) to record 
note-on velocity.

Regards,
PianoBench

Paul,

I too considered a used disklavier.  I'm glad I bought new.  I'm sure 
there are some good ones out there but there are some big pitfalls 
waiting to get you.  I didn't know about them untill after I 
purchased my piano, so....I avoided them.  If used is for you....then 
buy from a reputable Yamaha dealer & have an RPT check it out.

As to considering an upright, I couldn't afford (or at least justify) 
a grand piano. The uprights are well made & have very good tone.  I 
don't know about resale on any models though.

I looked at the spinets & don't think the are worth buying.  Very 
light weight & sound like it.  The piano that I like is the P88.  It 
is the industrial strenght piano for schools & institutions.  Built 
like a tank & has a rich sound to go with it.  I kept telling the 
dealer that if Yamaha would put the Disklavier in the P88 I would but 
it.  Well about 6 months later they did.  It's called the MX88.  Mine 
is in Light Oak & I love it.

My RPT tells me that when you design a piano you never know how it 
will sound untill it's built.  He & I feel that the MX88 sounds as 
good as the baby grand but not as loud.  It stands 45 inches high.  
About half way between the spinet & upright, but every bit as solid 
as the upright & sounds just as good.  In the average home you don't 
really need the volume.  In fact a lot of folks hunt for ways to 
quiet the grands down as they are often too loud for the size room 
they are in.

Food for thought.  I hope this is helpfull.  And of course these 
thoughts are based on my own experiences.  I'm not a professional 
piano player or tech, just a piano lover & amateur player.

--- In disklavier@y..., "grego125" <grego125@y...> wrote:

> My RPT tells me that when you design a piano you never know how it 
> will sound untill it's built.  He & I feel that the MX88 sounds as 
> good as the baby grand but not as loud.  It stands 45 inches 
high.  
> About half way between the spinet & upright, but every bit as 
solid 
> as the upright & sounds just as good.  In the average home you 
don't 
> really need the volume.  In fact a lot of folks hunt for ways to 
> quiet the grands down as they are often too loud for the size room 
> they are in.

The reason why many uprights don't sound as "loud" as a grand is 
that the soundboard is up against a wall! If you were to position 
your piano in the middle of the room, it will get a lot louder.

Often, people who want to use a Disklavier as "background" music 
need to mute the piano. And it's better to install a soundboard mute 
than to crank the Disklavier volume down and lose the dynamic range 
in the music.

Many, if not most, of Yamaha's pre-recorded disks are too loud. I 
have a feeling they crank the velocities up so that pianos with 
slower actions (uprights) won't misfire on fast trills, etc.

You'll find that, in general, the longer the strings and the bigger 
the soundboard, the better the piano sounds (all other things being 
equal). It's not just the volume that goes up. In fact, the volume 
goes up very little between a 6' grand and a 9' grand. It's just 
that notes sustain longer, and you can hear the bass notes more 
clearly.

Hi Bob,

Thanks for writing up your shopping tactics.  If appropriate, I 
would like contact information for your dealer.

I have been calling stores on the West Coast and indeed used 
Disklaviers are very scarce.

The only used Disklavier I can find is a lightly used MPX1 upright 
(Mark II XG) for around $6500.  My preference would be a DC3A but 
it's out of my budget unless I can find it used.

Paul

--- In disklavier@y..., "Robert E. Welcyng" <rwelcyng@a...> wrote:
> Paul,
> 
> Used Disklaviers for sale are pretty scarce.  Once in awhile, one 
may show up on
> e-Bay.  A search of the Web may lead you to dealers who know how 
to reach a wide
> audience.  Individual authorized Yamaha dealers should be a likely 
source of
> trade-ins, if that is what you are looking for.  Be cautious of 
gray market
> Yamaha pianos not made for the American market.  Those marketed 
for the Orient,
> for example, often are not supported once they reach the U.S.
> 
> To locate Yamaha dealers around the U.S., start with
> http://www.yamaha.com/dlrsel.htm
> 
> For a new piano, I would suggest negotiating with a number of 
dealers around the
> country.  Shipping a piano across the country needn't be a big 
deal.  But first,
> you'll want to survey the available models and decide which is for 
you.  New
> models are described on http://www.yamaha.com/pianos.htm  Find a 
nearby dealer
> who is friendly and not too busy.  Hang around the store for 
awhile to ask
> questions and get demonstrations and catalogs.  For laughs, you 
can even ask for
> prices.  Don't faint when the salesman writes vague round figures 
on your
> brochure.  You are not going to pay that price.
> 
> Once you are serious about purchasing, contact the bigger dealers 
in some major
> cities for ball park prices.  Let them know that you are shopping 
around.  You
> may approach and negotiate with dealers anywhere, although only a 
Yamaha dealer
> in your territory may first seek you out.  When you have some 
quotes, go back to
> each one and ask if they'd like to beat the best quote you've 
received.  After
> that second round, decide what you would like in a package deal--
the piano, an
> adjustable artist bench, a dozen PianoSoft disks, a humidifier, 
shipping, set-up
> in your home, and an initial tuning, for example.  Let the dealers 
that you have
> talked to know that you are sincere and ready to buy and call for 
their best and
> final offers on your package. 
> 
> If a good price is important to you, don't get in a big hurry to 
buy.  There are
> dealer sales competitions that may lower your price and Yamaha 
America sometimes
> has stock that is not moving that they will offer to a dealer at 
an attractive
> wholesale price.  The dealer may try to tell you that the Yen 
exchange rate may
> soon raise prices, but I doubt that that has much to do with what 
you'll pay.
> 
> You may be wondering how a dealer in, say, Seattle will set up and 
tune your
> piano in California.  Many dealers depend upon independent piano 
technicians to
> do that work.  The dealer, or you, will likely contact a local 
piano technician
> to actually do the work.  That also may give you an opportunity to 
choose a
> technician who has had Disklavier training.  If there are any 
warranty problems,
> your local technician can attend to them and work out his payment 
with the
> dealer and Yamaha.
> 
> If you're considering a used instrument, pay a registered piano 
technician (RPT)
> to look under the hood first and give you a private appraisal.
> 
> For five years, I've owned and enjoyed a DC3F Mark II grand that I 
bought from
> Portland, Oregon, and had shipped to Anchorage.  I've had no 
significant
> problems with the instrument.  The dealer has always stood by the 
sale and has
> treated me cordially, although it has been my local RPT who has 
done all the
> maintenance and tuning.
> 
> Since I'm not an expert on the various models of Disklavier, I 
will leave it to
> others to explain the model differences you asked about.
> 
> Good luck!
> 
> Bob Welcyng
> 
> paulnerd wrote:
> > 
> > I'm a new member.  I spent several enjoyable hours last night
> > reading though the archives.  The pricing database was also very
> > educational.
> > 
> > I am in search of a Disklavier, preferably Mark II and newer.  
Would

> > appreciate any pointers to individuals, dealers and RPTs familiar
> > this line of pianos in the Northern California area.  Would be
> > willing to travel for the right piano.
> > 
> > Ideally, I'd like a DC3A but that will be on the high on of my
> > budget.  I was wondering if getting an upright is a good idea, to
> > get a feel for the Disklavier system.
> > 
> > Some questions:
> > 
> >   - what's the difference between the DC3 and DC3A?
> > 
> >   - what's the difference between the MPX1Z and the older MPX1?
> > 
> > Any advice would be much appreciated.
> > 
> > Paul
> > > -- 
> Robert Welcyng
> Anchorage, Alaska

Paul, my dealer was Cascade Piano of Portland, Oregon.  Craig Birchfield has
always been very helpful.  Their contact info is on their Web site at
www.cascadepiano.com

Bob

paulnerd wrote:
> 
> Hi Bob,
> 
> Thanks for writing up your shopping tactics.  If appropriate, I
> would like contact information for your dealer.
> 
> I have been calling stores on the West Coast and indeed used
> Disklaviers are very scarce.
> 
> The only used Disklavier I can find is a lightly used MPX1 upright
> (Mark II XG) for around $6500.  My preference would be a DC3A but
> it's out of my budget unless I can find it used.
> 
> Paul
> 
> --- In disklavier@y..., "Robert E. Welcyng" <rwelcyng@a...> wrote:
> > Paul,
> >
> > Used Disklaviers for sale are pretty scarce.  Once in awhile, one
> may show up on
> > e-Bay.  A search of the Web may lead you to dealers who know how
> to reach a wide
> > audience.  Individual authorized Yamaha dealers should be a likely
> source of
> > trade-ins, if that is what you are looking for.  Be cautious of
> gray market
> > Yamaha pianos not made for the American market.  Those marketed
> for the Orient,
> > for example, often are not supported once they reach the U.S.
> >
> > To locate Yamaha dealers around the U.S., start with
> > http://www.yamaha.com/dlrsel.htm
> >
> > For a new piano, I would suggest negotiating with a number of
> dealers around the
> > country.  Shipping a piano across the country needn't be a big
> deal.  But first,
> > you'll want to survey the available models and decide which is for
> you.  New
> > models are described on http://www.yamaha.com/pianos.htm  Find a
> nearby dealer
> > who is friendly and not too busy.  Hang around the store for
> awhile to ask
> > questions and get demonstrations and catalogs.  For laughs, you
> can even ask for
> > prices.  Don't faint when the salesman writes vague round figures
> on your
> > brochure.  You are not going to pay that price.
> >
> > Once you are serious about purchasing, contact the bigger dealers
> in some major
> > cities for ball park prices.  Let them know that you are shopping
> around.  You
> > may approach and negotiate with dealers anywhere, although only a
> Yamaha dealer
> > in your territory may first seek you out.  When you have some
> quotes, go back to
> > each one and ask if they'd like to beat the best quote you've
> received.  After
> > that second round, decide what you would like in a package deal--
> the piano, an
> > adjustable artist bench, a dozen PianoSoft disks, a humidifier,
> shipping, set-up
> > in your home, and an initial tuning, for example.  Let the dealers
> that you have
> > talked to know that you are sincere and ready to buy and call for
> their best and
> > final offers on your package.
> >
> > If a good price is important to you, don't get in a big hurry to
> buy.  There are
> > dealer sales competitions that may lower your price and Yamaha
> America sometimes
> > has stock that is not moving that they will offer to a dealer at
> an attractive
> > wholesale price.  The dealer may try to tell you that the Yen
> exchange rate may
> > soon raise prices, but I doubt that that has much to do with what
> you'll pay.
> >
> > You may be wondering how a dealer in, say, Seattle will set up and
> tune your
> > piano in California.  Many dealers depend upon independent piano
> technicians to
> > do that work.  The dealer, or you, will likely contact a local
> piano technician
> > to actually do the work.  That also may give you an opportunity to
> choose a
> > technician who has had Disklavier training.  If there are any
> warranty problems,
> > your local technician can attend to them and work out his payment
> with the
> > dealer and Yamaha.
> >
> > If you're considering a used instrument, pay a registered piano
> technician (RPT)
> > to look under the hood first and give you a private appraisal.
> >
> > For five years, I've owned and enjoyed a DC3F Mark II grand that I
> bought from
> > Portland, Oregon, and had shipped to Anchorage.  I've had no
> significant
> > problems with the instrument.  The dealer has always stood by the
> sale and has
> > treated me cordially, although it has been my local RPT who has
> done all the
> > maintenance and tuning.
> >
> > Since I'm not an expert on the various models of Disklavier, I
> will leave it to
> > others to explain the model differences you asked about.
> >
> > Good luck!
> >
> > Bob Welcyng
> >
> > paulnerd wrote:
> > >
> > > I'm a new member.  I spent several enjoyable hours last night
> > > reading though the archives.  The pricing database was also very
> > > educational.
> > >
> > > I am in search of a Disklavier, preferably Mark II and newer.
> Would
> > > appreciate any pointers to individuals, dealers and RPTs familiar
> > > this line of pianos in the Northern California area.  Would be
> > > willing to travel for the right piano.
> > >
> > > Ideally, I'd like a DC3A but that will be on the high on of my
> > > budget.  I was wondering if getting an upright is a good idea, to
> > > get a feel for the Disklavier system.
> > >
> > > Some questions:
> > >
> > >   - what's the difference between the DC3 and DC3A?
> > >
> > >   - what's the difference between the MPX1Z and the older MPX1?
> > >
> > > Any advice would be much appreciated.
> > >
> > > Paul
> > > > --
> > Robert Welcyng
> > Anchorage, Alaska
> 
> 
> To Post a message to the group, send it to:   disklavier@...
> 
> To Post a private message to Todd Muncy, the group's founder and moderator, send it to:
> disklavier-owner@...
> 
> To reach our group's web site go to:
> http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier
> 
> Todd's family web site was completely rewritten in June 2001 and contains some fun disklavier content and links to midi sites among other things, The url is:
> http://MuncyFamily.com
> 
> THINKING OF LEAVING THE GROUP?
> If you are thinking of unsubcribing because you are getting too much mail, go the the web site and change your email delivery option instead.  That will fix the problem, while maintaining your access to the group.  If you insist on leaving us completely send a blank email to:
> disklavier-unsubscribe@...
> 
> Know someone who wants to join?  Have them send a blank email to:
> disklavier-subscribe@... or give them this link:
> http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier/join
> 
> 
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

-- 
Robert Welcyng
Anchorage, Alaska