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Disklavier problem - upgrade or fix?

2014-06-28 by Jon Arnold

I bought a beautiful Yamaha 5'2" grand, love it.  It came with a Yahaha
Disklavier DKC100R unit (the one that uses the floppy disks), and the
original owner had it wired up underneath with an amplifier, speakers,
really nice.  The original owner also gave me a few dozen floppies of
various genres which I have enjoyed immensely.

 

About 6 months ago the unit was generating an error every time I would put a
different disk in.  I took a handful of the disks that it failed with, down
to the local dealer, where each of them played just fine.  So the tech came
out and made some adjustments to the unit, then they worked fine.

 

Now 6 months later, the same thing is happening, and its not from overuse
because the number of times I've used the unit since the tech was here 6
months ago can be counted on one hand.

 

Perhaps it needs an upgrade?  What would you suggest?  A new disk drive?
Upgrade to CD?  (Yikes, $1700!)  Or am I further ahead to get something
where I could put a thumb drive into a USB port and have it play music from
there?  If the latter, does the thumb drive need to be formatted in a
special way so that the unit can read it?

 

Thanks!

Re: [disklavier] Disklavier problem - upgrade or fix?

2014-06-28 by George Frederick Litterst

Good morning, everyone.

Jon, your model Disklavier is a Mark II and was made between 1992 and 1997. It supports double-density floppy disks but not high density floppy disks. It records in E-SEQ format and does not recording in the industry-standard SMF format although it will play back SMF files if they are Type 0.

If you can get the necessary circuit boards from Yamaha, you can cleanly replace your control unit with a DKC-850. The DKC-850 will provide you with innumerable benefits. You can check it out here:


If the replacement circuit boards are not available, you can upgrade to the DKC-850 in a piggyback manner in which the new control unit connects to the old control unit with MIDI cables. Functionally, the main difference between using the DKC-850 as a replacement control unit vs. an add-on control unit is that the add-on scenario does not support DisklavierRadio and DisklavierTV.

Regards,
PianoBench


On Jun 28, 2014, at 8:25 AM, 'Jon Arnold' jonarnold@... [disklavier] <;disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


I bought a beautiful Yamaha 5’2” grand, love it. It came with a Yahaha Disklavier DKC100R unit (the one that uses the floppy disks), and the original owner had it wired up underneath with an amplifier, speakers, really nice. The original owner also gave me a few dozen floppies of various genres which I have enjoyed immensely.

About 6 months ago the unit was generating an error every time I would put a different disk in. I took a handful of the disks that it failed with, down to the local dealer, where each of them played just fine. So the tech came out and made some adjustments to the unit, then they worked fine.

Now 6 months later, the same thing is happening, and its not from overuse because the number of times I’ve used the unit since the te ch was here 6 months ago can be counted on one hand.

Perhaps it needs an upgrade? What would you suggest? A new disk drive? Upgrade to CD? (Yikes, $1700!) Or am I further ahead to get something where I could put a thumb drive into a USB port and have it play music from there? If the latter, does the thumb drive need to be formatted in a special way so that the unit can read it?

Thanks!



RE: [disklavier] Disklavier problem - upgrade or fix?

2014-06-28 by Jon Arnold

Thanks for the great response.  Do you have any idea where to purchase one
of those and/or how much it costs?  Any recommendations for service in the
Melbourne Florida (Satellite Beach) area?
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From: disklavier@yahoogroups.com [mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com] 
Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2014 9:28 AM
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Disklavier problem - upgrade or fix?

 

  

Good morning, everyone.

 

Jon, your model Disklavier is a Mark II and was made between 1992 and 1997.
It supports double-density floppy disks but not high density floppy disks.
It records in E-SEQ format and does not recording in the industry-standard
SMF format although it will play back SMF files if they are Type 0.

 

If you can get the necessary circuit boards from Yamaha, you can cleanly
replace your control unit with a DKC-850. The DKC-850 will provide you with
innumerable benefits. You can check it out here:

 

http://yamahaden.com/news/item/273-how-to-upgrade-an-older-disklavier

 

If the replacement circuit boards are not available, you can upgrade to the
DKC-850 in a piggyback manner in which the new control unit connects to the
old control unit with MIDI cables. Functionally, the main difference between
using the DKC-850 as a replacement control unit vs. an add-on control unit
is that the add-on scenario does not support DisklavierRadio and
DisklavierTV.

 

Regards,

PianoBench

 

 

On Jun 28, 2014, at 8:25 AM, 'Jon Arnold' jonarnold@...
[disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:





 

I bought a beautiful Yamaha 5'2" grand, love it.  It came with a Yahaha
Disklavier DKC100R unit (the one that uses the floppy disks), and the
original owner had it wired up underneath with an amplifier, speakers,
really nice.  The original owner also gave me a few dozen floppies of
various genres which I have enjoyed immensely.

 

About 6 months ago the unit was generating an error every time I would put a
different disk in.  I took a handful of the disks that it failed with, down
to the local dealer, where each of them played just fine.  So the tech came
out and made some adjustments to the unit, then they worked fine.

 

Now 6 months later, the same thing is happening, and its not from overuse
because the number of times I've used the unit since the te ch was here 6
months ago can be counted on one hand.

 

Perhaps it needs an upgrade?  What would you suggest?  A new disk drive?
Upgrade to CD?  (Yikes, $1700!)  Or am I further ahead to get something
where I could put a thumb drive into a USB port and have it play music from
there?  If the latter, does the thumb drive need to be formatted in a
special way so that the unit can read it?

 

Thanks!

Re: [disklavier] Disklavier problem - upgrade or fix?

2014-06-28 by George Frederick Litterst

Hi, again.

This is a dealer item. I am not certain of the current suggested list price. You can locate a dealer here:


searching by zip code.

Regards,
PianoBench

On Jun 28, 2014, at 10:33 AM, 'Jon Arnold' jonarnold@earthlink.net [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


Thanks for the great response. Do you have any idea where to purchase one of those and/or how much it costs? Any recommendations for service in the Melbourne Florida (Satellite Beach) area?

From: disklavier@yahoogroups.com [mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2014 9:28 AM
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Disklavier problem - upgrade or fix?

Good morning, everyone.

Jon, your model Disklavier is a Mark II and was made between 1992 and 1997. It supports double-density floppy disks but not high density floppy disks. It records in E-SEQ format and does not recording in the industry-standard SMF format although it will play back SMF files if they are Type 0.

If you can get the necessary circuit boards from Yamaha, you can cleanly replace your control unit with a DKC-850. The DKC-850 will provide you with innumerable benefits. You can check it out here:

If the replacement circuit boards are not available, you can upgrade to the DKC-850 in a piggyback manner in which the new control unit connects to the old control unit with MIDI cables. Functionally, the main difference between using the DKC-850 as a replacement control unit vs. an add-on control unit is that the add-on scenario does not support DisklavierRadio and DisklavierTV.

Regards,

PianoBench

On Jun 28, 2014, at 8:25 AM, 'Jon Arnold' jonarnold@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yah oogroups.com> wrote:



I bought a beautiful Yamaha 5’2” grand, love it. It came with a Yahaha Disklavier DKC100R unit (the one that uses the floppy disks), and the original owner had it wired up underneath with an amplifier, speakers, really nice. The original owner also gave me a few dozen floppies of various genres which I have enjoyed immensely.

About 6 months ago the unit was generating an error every time I would put a different disk in. I took a handful of the disks that it failed with, down to the local dealer, where each of them played just fine. So the tech came out and made som e adjustments to the unit, then they worked fine.

Now 6 months later, the same thing is happening, and its not from overuse because the number of times I’ve used the unit since the te ch was here 6 months ago can be counted on one hand.

Perhaps it needs an upgrade? What would you suggest? A new disk drive? Upgrade to CD? (Yikes, $1700!) Or am I further ahead to get something where I could put a thumb drive into a USB port and have it play music from there? If the latter, does the thumb drive need to be formatted in a special way so that the unit can read it?

Thanks!

&n bsp;



Re: [disklavier] Disklavier problem - upgrade or fix?

2014-06-28 by Sam Kanter

I bypass the outmoded floppy system, and use my computer with MIDI. Seems a far better solution with older DKV pianos. 

Sam
www.keyboardcollective.com
(212) 684-3304

*(Sent from phone - please excuse brevity and typos.)
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> On Jun 28, 2014, at 8:25 AM, "'Jon Arnold' jonarnold@... [disklavier]" <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> 
> I bought a beautiful Yamaha 5’2” grand, love it.  It came with a Yahaha Disklavier DKC100R unit (the one that uses the floppy disks), and the original owner had it wired up underneath with an amplifier, speakers, really nice.  The original owner also gave me a few dozen floppies of various genres which I have enjoyed immensely.
> 
>  
> 
> About 6 months ago the unit was generating an error every time I would put a different disk in.  I took a handful of the disks that it failed with, down to the local dealer, where each of them played just fine.  So the tech came out and made some adjustments to the unit, then they worked fine.
> 
>  
> 
> Now 6 months later, the same thing is happening, and its not from overuse because the number of times I’ve used the unit since the tech was here 6 months ago can be counted on one hand.
> 
>  
> 
> Perhaps it needs an upgrade?  What would you suggest?  A new disk drive?  Upgrade to CD?  (Yikes, $1700!)  Or am I further ahead to get something where I could put a thumb drive into a USB port and have it play music from there?  If the latter, does the thumb drive need to be formatted in a special way so that the unit can read it?
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks!
> 
>  
> 
>

Re: [disklavier] Disklavier problem - upgrade or fix?

2014-06-28 by George Frederick Litterst

Good afternoon, everyone.

The PNOmation system is a player piano retrofit system. With all due respect to QRS, I would not recommend replacing a built-in Disklavier record/playback system with a 3rd party playback system no matter how brilliantly the 3rd party system is designed.

If one wants to tinker with the piano without doing a clean DKC-850 upgrade that provides all of the modern amenities that Yamaha offers, one could experiment with a floppy replacement that stores data on USB flash drives. I believe that there has been some earlier discussion about this matter within this group. Personally, I would not go that route unless I had a Wagon Grand, MX100A or B, or MX80-series instrument whose control unit cannot be completely replaced by a DCK-850.

For those you enjoy access to the piano via computer, external MIDI players can be used with any model Disklavier and vanBasco is a popular free one for Windows.

Regards,
PianoBench

On Jun 28, 2014, at 11:33 AM, 'uecker.juneau@...' uecker.juneau@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


Jon,
I'm no expert, but for the cost of the DKC 850, you might want to check out what the QRS PNOmation system can do for you. Inexpensive options are replacing the floppy drive with an emulator that stores many "floppy" files on an SD card or just using a tablet or notebook to store MIDI files and play them through the midi interface. Look at a midi player such as vanBasco's.

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "'Jon Arnold' jonarnold@earthlink.net [disklavier]" <disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
To: <disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [disklavier] Disklavier problem - upgrade or fix?
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2014 10:33:00 -0400



Thanks for the great response. Do you have any idea where to purchase one of those and/or how much it costs? Any recommendations for service in the Melbourne Florida (Satellite Beach) area?



From: disklavier@yahoogroups.com [mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2014 9:28 AM
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Disklavier problem - upgrade or fix?



Good morning, everyone.


Jon, your model Disklavier is a Mark II and was made between 1992 and 1997. It supports double-density floppy disks but not high density floppy disks. It records in E-SEQ format and does not recording in the industry-standard SMF format although it will play back SMF files if they are Type 0.


If you can get the necessary circuit boards from Yamaha, you can cleanly replace your control unit with a DKC-850. The DKC-850 will provide you with innumerable benefits. You can check it out here:



If the replace ment circuit boards are not available, you can upgrade to the DKC-850 in a piggyback manner in which the new control unit connects to the old control unit with MIDI cables. Functionally, the main difference between using the DKC-850 as a replacement control unit vs. an add-on control unit is that the add-on scenario does not support DisklavierRadio and DisklavierTV.


Regards,

PianoBench



On Jun 28, 2014, at 8:25 AM, 'Jon Arnold' jonarnold@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:




I bought a beautiful Yamaha 5’2” grand, love it. It came with a Yahaha Disklavier DKC100R unit (the one that uses the floppy disks), and the original owner had it wired up underneath with an amplifier, speakers, really nice. The original owner also gave me a few dozen floppies of various genres which I have enjoyed immensely.


About 6 months ago the unit was generating an error every time I would put a different disk in. I took a handful of the disks that it failed with, down to the local dealer, where each of them played just fine. So the tech came out and made some adjustments to the unit, then they worked fine.


Now 6 months later, the same thing is happening, and its not from overuse because the number of times I’ve used the unit since the te ch was here 6 months ago can be counted on one hand.


Perhaps it needs an upgrade? What would you suggest? A new disk drive? Upgrade to CD? (Yikes, $1700!) Or am I further ahead to get something where I could put a thumb drive into a USB port and have it play music from there? If the latter, does the thumb drive need to be formatted in a special way so that the unit can read it?


Thanks!








Re: [disklavier] Disklavier problem - upgrade or fix?

2014-06-28 by Sam Kanter

I would add that besides MIDI playback programs like Van Basco, there are also many free or inexpensive MIDI sequencer programs that will record and playback Disklavier performances. 


Sam
www.keyboardcollective.com
(212) 684-3304

*(Sent from phone - please excuse brevity and typos.)
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> On Jun 28, 2014, at 4:30 PM, "George Frederick Litterst PianoBench@... [disklavier]" <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> 
> Good afternoon, everyone.
> 
> 
> The PNOmation system is a player piano retrofit system. With all due respect to QRS, I would not recommend replacing a built-in Disklavier record/playback system with a 3rd party playback system no matter how brilliantly the 3rd party system is designed.
> 
> If one wants to tinker with the piano without doing a clean DKC-850 upgrade that provides all of the modern amenities that Yamaha offers, one could experiment with a floppy replacement that stores data on USB flash drives. I believe that there has been some earlier discussion about this matter within this group. Personally, I would not go that route unless I had a Wagon Grand, MX100A or B, or MX80-series instrument whose control unit cannot be completely replaced by a DCK-850.
> 
> For those you enjoy access to the piano via computer, external MIDI players can be used with any model Disklavier and vanBasco is a popular free one for Windows.
> 
> Regards,
> PianoBench
> 
>> On Jun 28, 2014, at 11:33 AM, 'uecker.juneau@...' uecker.juneau@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Jon,
>>  
>> I'm no expert, but for the cost of the DKC 850, you might want to check out what the QRS PNOmation system can do for you. Inexpensive options are replacing the floppy drive with an emulator that stores many "floppy" files on an SD card or just using a tablet or notebook to store MIDI files and play them through the midi interface. Look at a midi player such as vanBasco's.
>> 
>> ---------- Original Message ----------
>> From: "'Jon Arnold' jonarnold@... [disklavier]" <disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
>> To: <disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
>> Subject: RE: [disklavier] Disklavier problem - upgrade or fix?
>> Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2014 10:33:00 -0400
>> 
>> 
>>  
>> Thanks for the great response.  Do you have any idea where to purchase one of those and/or how much it costs?  Any recommendations for service in the Melbourne Florida (Satellite Beach) area?
>> 
>>  
>>  
>> From: disklavier@yahoogroups.com [mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com] 
>> Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2014 9:28 AM
>> To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: Re: [disklavier] Disklavier problem - upgrade or fix?
>> 
>>  
>>  
>> Good morning, everyone.
>> 
>>  
>> Jon, your model Disklavier is a Mark II and was made between 1992 and 1997. It supports double-density floppy disks but not high density floppy disks. It records in E-SEQ format and does not recording in the industry-standard SMF format although it will play back SMF files if they are Type 0.
>> 
>>  
>> If you can get the necessary circuit boards from Yamaha, you can cleanly replace your control unit with a DKC-850. The DKC-850 will provide you with innumerable benefits. You can check it out here:
>> 
>>  
>> http://yamahaden.com/news/item/273-how-to-upgrade-an-older-disklavier
>> 
>>  
>> If the replace ment circuit boards are not available, you can upgrade to the DKC-850 in a piggyback manner in which the new control unit connects to the old control unit with MIDI cables. Functionally, the main difference between using the DKC-850 as a replacement control unit vs. an add-on control unit is that the add-on scenario does not support DisklavierRadio and DisklavierTV.
>> 
>>  
>> Regards,
>> 
>> PianoBench
>> 
>>  
>>  
>> On Jun 28, 2014, at 8:25 AM, 'Jon Arnold' jonarnold@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>  
>> I bought a beautiful Yamaha 5’2” grand, love it.  It came with a Yahaha Disklavier DKC100R unit (the one that uses the floppy disks), and the original owner had it wired up underneath with an amplifier, speakers, really nice.  The original owner also gave me a few dozen floppies of various genres which I have enjoyed immensely.
>> 
>>  
>> About 6 months ago the unit was generating an error every time I would put a different disk in.  I took a handful of the disks that it failed with, down to the local dealer, where each of them played just fine.  So the tech came out and made some adjustments to the unit, then they worked fine.
>> 
>>  
>> Now 6 months later, the same thing is happening, and its not from overuse because the number of times I’ve used the unit since the te ch was here 6 months ago can be counted on one hand.
>> 
>>  
>> Perhaps it needs an upgrade?  What would you suggest?  A new disk drive?  Upgrade to CD?  (Yikes, $1700!)  Or am I further ahead to get something where I could put a thumb drive into a USB port and have it play music from there?  If the latter, does the thumb drive need to be formatted in a special way so that the unit can read it?
>> 
>>  
>> Thanks!
>> 
> 
>

RE: [disklavier] Disklavier problem - upgrade or fix?

2014-06-28 by Jon Arnold

Hmmm, confusion reigns supreme.

 

Ok, I don't know if it makes a difference or not, but this piano was very
well equipped from a disklavier standpoint when I bought it.  In addition to
the [slightly old] disklavier unit itself, the original owner also had
installed a Yamaha MU50 MIDI unit, a stereo amplifier, and a couple of nice
Pioneer speakers to the underside of the piano.  (Yes, he used to play in
piano coffee shop and bars with it).

 

So whatever I do to fix/enhance/replace/circumvent the existing disklavier
unit must absolutely be able to interface with that other stuff.

 

If this is not clear, would pictures help, which I can attach here for the
group to see (I think)?
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From: disklavier@yahoogroups.com [mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com] 
Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2014 4:30 PM
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Disklavier problem - upgrade or fix?

 

  

Good afternoon, everyone.

 

The PNOmation system is a player piano retrofit system. With all due respect
to QRS, I would not recommend replacing a built-in Disklavier
record/playback system with a 3rd party playback system no matter how
brilliantly the 3rd party system is designed.

 

If one wants to tinker with the piano without doing a clean DKC-850 upgrade
that provides all of the modern amenities that Yamaha offers, one could
experiment with a floppy replacement that stores data on USB flash drives. I
believe that there has been some earlier discussion about this matter within
this group. Personally, I would not go that route unless I had a Wagon
Grand, MX100A or B, or MX80-series instrument whose control unit cannot be
completely replaced by a DCK-850.

 

For those you enjoy access to the piano via computer, external MIDI players
can be used with any model Disklavier and vanBasco is a popular free one for
Windows.

 

Regards,

PianoBench

 

On Jun 28, 2014, at 11:33 AM, 'uecker.juneau@...'
uecker.juneau@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:





 

Jon,

 

I'm no expert, but for the cost of the DKC 850, you might want to check out
what the QRS PNOmation system can do for you. Inexpensive options are
replacing the floppy drive with an emulator that stores many "floppy" files
on an SD card or just using a tablet or notebook to store MIDI files and
play them through the midi interface. Look at a midi player such as
vanBasco's.

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "'Jon Arnold' jonarnold@... [disklavier]"
<disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
To: <disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [disklavier] Disklavier problem - upgrade or fix?
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2014 10:33:00 -0400

 

 

Thanks for the great response.  Do you have any idea where to purchase one
of those and/or how much it costs?  Any recommendations for service in the
Melbourne Florida (Satellite Beach) area?

 

 

From:  <mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com> disklavier@yahoogroups.com [
<mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com> mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com] 
Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2014 9:28 AM
To:  <mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com> disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Disklavier problem - upgrade or fix?

 

 

Good morning, everyone.

 

Jon, your model Disklavier is a Mark II and was made between 1992 and 1997.
It supports double-density floppy disks but not high density floppy disks.
It records in E-SEQ format and does not recording in the industry-standard
SMF format although it will play back SMF files if they are Type 0.

 

If you can get the necessary circuit boards from Yamaha, you can cleanly
replace your control unit with a DKC-850. The DKC-850 will provide you with
innumerable benefits. You can check it out here:

 

 <http://yamahaden.com/news/item/273-how-to-upgrade-an-older-disklavier>
http://yamahaden.com/news/item/273-how-to-upgrade-an-older-disklavier

 

If the replace ment circuit boards are not available, you can upgrade to the
DKC-850 in a piggyback manner in which the new control unit connects to the
old control unit with MIDI cables. Functionally, the main difference between
using the DKC-850 as a replacement control unit vs. an add-on control unit
is that the add-on scenario does not support DisklavierRadio and
DisklavierTV.

 

Regards,

PianoBench

 

 

On Jun 28, 2014, at 8:25 AM, 'Jon Arnold'  <mailto:jonarnold@...>
jonarnold@... [disklavier] < <mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

I bought a beautiful Yamaha 5'2" grand, love it.  It came with a Yahaha
Disklavier DKC100R unit (the one that uses the floppy disks), and the
original owner had it wired up underneath with an amplifier, speakers,
really nice.  The original owner also gave me a few dozen floppies of
various genres which I have enjoyed immensely.

 

About 6 months ago the unit was generating an error every time I would put a
different disk in.  I took a handful of the disks that it failed with, down
to the local dealer, where each of them played just fine.  So the tech came
out and made some adjustments to the unit, then they worked fine.

 

Now 6 months later, the same thing is happening, and its not from overuse
because the number of times I've used the unit since the te ch was here 6
months ago can be counted on one hand.

 

Perhaps it needs an upgrade?  What would you suggest?  A new disk drive?
Upgrade to CD?  (Yikes, $1700!)  Or am I further ahead to get something
where I could put a thumb drive into a USB port and have it play music from
there?  If the latter, does the thumb drive need to be formatted in a
special way so that the unit can read it?

 

Thanks!

Re: [disklavier] Disklavier problem - upgrade or fix?

2014-06-28 by George Frederick Litterst

Jon,

The DKC-850 upgrade control unit will definitely work with everything else. However, I hasten to point out that the MU50 will no longer be needed as the same voices are resident within the DKC-850. Unlike your current control unit, the DKC-850 has audio outputs on it. Take the audio cables that connect to your MU50 and connect them to the corresponding terminals on the DKC-850 and you’ll be all set as far as cabling is concerned.

NOTE: I am assuming that you are not a piano player who takes advantage of the so-called “performance modes” in the MU50 which can be used for live performance. For general listening purposes, you will no long need the MU50 and can probably get a nice price for it on eBay since tone generators like it are scarce these days and are sought after by musicians for reasons that have nothing to do with the Disklavier.

Regards,
PianoBench

On Jun 28, 2014, at 5:59 PM, 'Jon Arnold' jonarnold@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


Hmmm, confusion reigns supreme…

Ok, I don’t know if it makes a difference or not, but this piano was very well equipped from a disklavier standpoint when I bought it. In addition to the [slightly old] disklavier unit itself, the original owner also had installed a Yamaha MU50 MIDI unit, a stereo amplifier, and a couple of nice Pioneer speakers to the underside of the piano. (Yes, he used to play in piano coffee shop and bars with it).

So whatever I do to fix/enhance/replace/circumvent the existing disklavier unit must absolutely be able to interface with that other stuff.

If this is not clear, would pictures help, which I can attach here for the group to see (I think)?

From: disklavier@yahoogroups.com [mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com] ;
Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2014 4:30 PM
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Disklavier problem - upgrade or fix?

Good afternoon, everyone.

The PNOmation system is a player piano retrofit system. With all due respect to QRS, I would not recommend replacing a built-in Disklavier record/playback system with a 3rd party playback system no matter how brilliantly the 3rd party system is designed.

If one wants to tinker with the piano without doing a clean DKC-850 upgrade that provides all of the modern amenities that Yamaha offers, one could experiment with a floppy replacement that stores data on USB flash drives. I believe that there has been some earlier discussion about this matter within this group. Personally, I would not go that route unless I had a Wagon Grand, MX100A or B, or MX80-series instrument whose control unit cannot be completely replaced by a DCK-850.

For those you enjoy access to the piano via computer, external MIDI players can be used with any model Disklavier and vanBasco is a popular free one for Windows.

Regards,

PianoBench

On Jun 28, 2014, at 11:33 AM, 'uecker.juneau@...' uecker.juneau@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:



Jon,

I'm no expert, but for the cost of the DKC 850, you might want to check out what the QRS PNOmation system can do for you. Inexpensive options are replacing the floppy drive with an emulator that stores many "floppy" files on an SD card or just using a tablet or notebook to store MIDI files and play them through the midi interface. Look at a midi player such as vanBasco's.

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "'Jon Arnold' jonarnold@earthlink.net [disklavier]" <disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
To: <disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [disklavier] Disklavier problem - upgrade or fix?
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2014 10:33:00 -0400

Th anks for the great response. Do you have any idea where to purchase one of those and/or how much it costs? Any recommendations for service in the Melbourne Florida (Satellite Beach) area?

From: disklavier@yahoogroups.com [mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2014 9:28 AM
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Disklavier problem - upgrade or fix?

Good morning, everyone.

Jon, your model Disklavier is a Mark II and was made between 1992 and 1997. It supports double-density floppy disks but not high density floppy disks. It records in E-SEQ format and does not recording in the industry-standard SMF format although it will play back SMF files if they are Type 0.

If you can get the necessary circuit boards from Yamaha, you can cleanly replace your control unit with a DKC-850. The DKC-850 will provide you with innumerable benefits. You can check it out here:

If the replace ment circuit boards are not available, you can upgrade to the DKC-850 in a piggyback manner in which the new control unit connects to the old control unit with MIDI cables. Functionally, the main difference between using the DKC-850 as a replacement control unit vs. an add-on control unit is that the add-on scenario does not support DisklavierRadio and DisklavierTV.

Regards,

PianoBench

On Jun 28, 2014, at 8:25 AM, 'Jon Arnold' jonarnold@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

I bought a beautiful Yamaha 5’2” grand, love it. It came with a Yahaha Disklavier DKC100R unit (the one that uses the floppy disks), and the original owner had it wired up underneath with an amplifier, speakers, really nice. The original owner also gave me a few dozen floppies of various genres which I have enjoyed immensely.

About 6 months ago the unit was generating an error every time I would put a different disk in. I took a handful of the disks that it failed with, down to the local dealer, where each of them played just fine. So the tech came out and made s ome adjustments to the unit, then they worked fine.

Now 6 months later, the same thing is happening, and its not from overuse because the number of times I’ve used the unit since the te ch was here 6 months ago can be counted on one hand.

Perhaps it needs an upgrade? What would you suggest? A new disk drive? Upgrade to CD? (Yikes, $1700!) Or am I further ahead to get something where I could put a thumb drive into a USB port and have it play music from there? If the latter, does the thumb drive need to be formatted in a special way so that the unit can read it?

Thanks!



RE: [disklavier] Disklavier problem - upgrade or fix?

2014-06-28 by Jon Arnold

Good inputs, thanks.  But contrary to your assumptions, I *AM* a piano
player, and I enjoy occasionally shutting off the left channel (the piano)
and playing along/jamming with the stuff on the right channel like drums,
orchestra, etc.

 

Assuming that I want to maintain that capability, does that change your
answer?
Show quoted textHide quoted text
From: disklavier@yahoogroups.com [mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com] 
Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2014 6:05 PM
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Disklavier problem - upgrade or fix?

 

  

Jon,

 

The DKC-850 upgrade control unit will definitely work with everything else.
However, I hasten to point out that the MU50 will no longer be needed as the
same voices are resident within the DKC-850. Unlike your current control
unit, the DKC-850 has audio outputs on it. Take the audio cables that
connect to your MU50 and connect them to the corresponding terminals on the
DKC-850 and you'll be all set as far as cabling is concerned.

 

NOTE: I am assuming that you are not a piano player who takes advantage of
the so-called "performance modes" in the MU50 which can be used for live
performance. For general listening purposes, you will no long need the MU50
and can probably get a nice price for it on eBay since tone generators like
it are scarce these days and are sought after by musicians for reasons that
have nothing to do with the Disklavier.

 

Regards,

PianoBench

 

On Jun 28, 2014, at 5:59 PM, 'Jon Arnold' jonarnold@...
[disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:





 

Hmmm, confusion reigns supreme.

 

Ok, I don't know if it makes a difference or not, but this piano was very
well equipped from a disklavier standpoint when I bought it.  In addition to
the [slightly old] disklavier unit itself, the original owner also had
installed a Yamaha MU50 MIDI unit, a stereo amplifier, and a couple of nice
Pioneer speakers to the underside of the piano.  (Yes, he used to play in
piano coffee shop and bars with it).

 

So whatever I do to fix/enhance/replace/circumvent the existing disklavier
unit must absolutely be able to interface with that other stuff.

 

If this is not clear, would pictures help, which I can attach here for the
group to see (I think)?

 

 

From:  <mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com> disklavier@yahoogroups.com [
<mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com> mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com] 
Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2014 4:30 PM
To:  <mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com> disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Disklavier problem - upgrade or fix?

 

 

Good afternoon, everyone.

 

The PNOmation system is a player piano retrofit system. With all due respect
to QRS, I would not recommend replacing a built-in Disklavier
record/playback system with a 3rd party playback system no matter how
brilliantly the 3rd party system is designed.

 

If one wants to tinker with the piano without doing a clean DKC-850 upgrade
that provides all of the modern amenities that Yamaha offers, one could
experiment with a floppy replacement that stores data on USB flash drives. I
believe that there has been some earlier discussion about this matter within
this group. Personally, I would not go that route unless I had a Wagon
Grand, MX100A or B, or MX80-series instrument whose control unit cannot be
completely replaced by a DCK-850.

 

For those you enjoy access to the piano via computer, external MIDI players
can be used with any model Disklavier and vanBasco is a popular free one for
Windows.

 

Regards,

PianoBench

 

On Jun 28, 2014, at 11:33 AM, ' <mailto:uecker.juneau@...>
uecker.juneau@...'  <mailto:uecker.juneau@...>
uecker.juneau@... [disklavier] < <mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:






 

Jon,

 

I'm no expert, but for the cost of the DKC 850, you might want to check out
what the QRS PNOmation system can do for you. Inexpensive options are
replacing the floppy drive with an emulator that stores many "floppy" files
on an SD card or just using a tablet or notebook to store MIDI files and
play them through the midi interface. Look at a midi player such as
vanBasco's.

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "'Jon Arnold'  <mailto:jonarnold@...>
jonarnold@... [disklavier]" < <mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
To: < <mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com> disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [disklavier] Disklavier problem - upgrade or fix?
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2014 10:33:00 -0400

 

 

Th anks for the great response.  Do you have any idea where to purchase one
of those and/or how much it costs?  Any recommendations for service in the
Melbourne Florida (Satellite Beach) area?

 

 

From:  <x-msg://46/mai%20lto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
disklavier@yahoogroups.com [ <mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com] 
Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2014 9:28 AM
To:  <mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com> disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Disklavier problem - upgrade or fix?

 

 

Good morning, everyone.

 

Jon, your model Disklavier is a Mark II and was made between 1992 and 1997.
It supports double-density floppy disks but not high density floppy disks.
It records in E-SEQ format and does not recording in the industry-standard
SMF format although it will play back SMF files if they are Type 0.

 

If you can get the necessary circuit boards from Yamaha, you can cleanly
replace your control unit with a DKC-850. The DKC-850 will provide you with
innumerable benefits. You can check it out here:

 

 <http://yamahaden.com/news/item/273-how-to-upgrade-an-older-disklavier>
http://yamahaden.com/news/item/273-how-to-upgrade-an-older-disklavier

 

If the replace ment circuit boards are not available, you can upgrade to the
DKC-850 in a piggyback manner in which the new control unit connects to the
old control unit with MIDI cables. Functionally, the main difference between
using the DKC-850 as a replacement control unit vs. an add-on control unit
is that the add-on scenario does not support DisklavierRadio and
DisklavierTV.

 

Regards,

PianoBench

 

 

On Jun 28, 2014, at 8:25 AM, 'Jon Arnold'  <mailto:jonarnold@...>
jonarnold@... [disklavier] < <mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

I bought a beautiful Yamaha 5'2" grand, love it.  It came with a Yahaha
Disklavier DKC100R unit (the one that uses the floppy disks), and the
original owner had it wired up underneath with an amplifier, speakers,
really nice.  The original owner also gave me a few dozen floppies of
various genres which I have enjoyed immensely.

 

About 6 months ago the unit was generating an error every time I would put a
different disk in.  I took a handful of the disks that it failed with, down
to the local dealer, where each of them played just fine.  So the tech came
out and made s ome adjustments to the unit, then they worked fine.

 

Now 6 months later, the same thing is happening, and its not from overuse
because the number of times I've used the unit since the te ch was here 6
months ago can be counted on one hand.

 

Perhaps it needs an upgrade?  What would you suggest?  A new disk drive?
Upgrade to CD?  (Yikes, $1700!)  Or am I further ahead to get something
where I could put a thumb drive into a USB port and have it play music from
there?  If the latter, does the thumb drive need to be formatted in a
special way so that the unit can read it?

 

Thanks!

Re: [disklavier] Disklavier problem - upgrade or fix?

2014-06-28 by George Frederick Litterst

Jon,

The DKC-850 is mostly navigated with an IR remote. The remote has a Voice button. When you engage the voice button, the DKC-850 will let you can scroll through the various voice groups—including percussion and sound effects—and choose a single voice to layer on top of your playing.

What the DKC-850 lacks but which the MU50 uniquely has is a Performance Mode. The Performance Mode on the MU50 enables you to create custom “patches” which are groups of up to 4 voices which can be layered onto your playing at one time. Those voices can be independently zoned to various regions of your keyboard, and they can be set to respond within restricted note-on velocity ranges. You can set up lots of these patches and save them to nonvolatile memory.

The MU50 is quite sophisticated. If you wish to continue using it while upgrading the Disklavier control unit to a DKC-850, you can remove from the current control unit the MIDI cable that connects the MU50 to the piano and connect it to the corresponding MIDI Out port on the DKC-850.

There are two challenges to using the MU50 with a DKC-850 control unit:

(1) The DKC-850 normally must be set up as a replacement control unit on the piano. If it is set up as a piggyback unit, connecting to the old control unit with MIDI cables, you won’t have an available MIDI Out port on either control unit to connect to the MIDI In port of the MU50. (However, you could attempt a fancy setup whereby you put the MU50 inline between the two control units, connecting MIDI Out from DKC-850 to MIDI In on MU50, and MIDI Thru on MU50 to MIDI In on DKC100R.)

(2) Both the MU50 and the DKC-850 would need to be connect to your amp and speakers. You may need additional wiring or a mini mixer.

You sound like a serious user of the instrument and enjoy the piano. If I were in your shoes, I would contact Yamaha Piano Service and see if the parts are available to do a clean, replacement upgrade to the DKC-850. Doing so would modernize your piano, provide you with access to DisklavierTV and DisklavierRadio, let you continue to use your MU50, and even let you connect to a laptop or an iPad with a simple USB device cable. You’ll be able to record to internal memory or to USB flash storage devices, and you can even connect a USB floppy if you wish.

The number for Yamaha Piano Service is: (800) 854-1569

If you want to go this route and have trouble explaining what you are trying to do, email me privately and I’ll help you out. I am a professional pianist and teacher who has been using Disklaviers since the early 1990s, and I am responsible for heading up the Disklavier Education Network (www.YamahaDEN.com) project.

Regards,
PianoBench

On Jun 28, 2014, at 6:11 PM, 'Jon Arnold' jonarnold@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


Good inputs, thanks. But contrary to your assumptions, I *AM* a piano player, and I enjoy occasionally shutting off the left channel (the piano) and playing along/jamming with the stuff on the right channel like drums, orchestra, etc.

Assuming that I want to maintain that capability, does that change your answer?

Show quoted textHide quoted text

From: diskl avier@yahoogroups.com [mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2014 6:05 PM
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Disklavier problem - upgrade or fix?

Jon,

The DKC-850 upgrade control unit will definitely work with everything else. However, I hasten to point out that the MU50 will no longer be needed as the same voices are resident within the DKC-850. Unlike your current control unit, the DKC-850 has audio outputs on it. Take the audio cables that connect to your MU50 and connect them to the corresponding terminals on the DKC-850 and you’ll be all set as far as cabling is concerned.

NOTE: I am assuming that you are not a piano player who takes advantage of the so-called “performance modes” in the MU50 which can be used for live performance. For general listening purposes, you will no long need the MU50 and can probably get a nice price for it on eBay since tone generators like it are scarce these days and are sought after by musicians for reasons that have nothing to do with the Disklavier.

Regards,

PianoBench

On Jun 28, 2014, at 5:59 PM, 'Jon Arnold' jonarnold@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:



Hmmm, confusion reigns supreme…

Ok, I don’t know if it makes a difference or not, but this piano was very well equipped from a disklavier standpoint when I bought it. In addition to the [slightly old] disklavier unit itself, the original owner also had installed a Yamaha MU50 MIDI unit, a stereo amplifier, and a couple of nice Pioneer speakers to the underside of the piano. (Yes, he used to play in piano coffee shop and bars with it).

So whatever I do to fix/enhance/replace/circumvent the existing disklavier unit must absolutely be able to interface with that other stuff.

If this is not clear, would pictures help, which I can attach here for the group to see (I think)?

From: disklavier@yahoogroups.com [mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2014 4:30 PM
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Disklavier problem - upgrade or fix?

Good afternoon, everyone.< /p>

The PNOmation system is a player piano retrofit system. With all due respect to QRS, I would not recommend replacing a built-in Disklavier record/playback system with a 3rd party playback system no matter how brilliantly the 3rd party system is designed.

If one wants to tinker with the piano without doing a clean DKC-850 upgrade that provides all of the modern amenities that Yamaha offers, one could experiment with a floppy replacement that stores data on USB flash drives. I believe that there has been some earlier discussion about this matter within this group. Personally, I would not go that route unless I had a Wagon Grand, MX100A or B, or MX80-series instrument whose control unit cannot be completely replaced by a DCK-850.

For those you enjoy access to the piano via computer, external MIDI players can be used with any model Disklavier and vanBasco is a popular free one for Windows.

Regards,

PianoBench

On Jun 28, 2014, at 11:33 AM, 'uecker.juneau@...' uecker.juneau@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:




Jon,

I'm no expert, but for the cost of the DKC 850, you might want to check out what the QRS PNOmation system can do for you. Inexpensive options are replacing the floppy drive with an emulator that stores many "floppy" files on an SD card or just using a tablet or notebook to store MIDI files and play them through the midi interface. Look at a midi player such as vanBasco's.

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "'Jon Arnold' jonarnold@... [disklavier]" <disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
To: <disklavier@yahoogroups.com>;
Subject: RE: [disklavier] Disklavier problem - upgrade or fix?
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2014 10:33:00 -0400

&n bsp;

Th anks for the great response. Do you have any idea where to purchase one of those and/or how much it costs? Any recommendations for service in the Melbourne Florida (Satellite Beach) area?

From: disklavier@yahoogroups.com [mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2014 9:28 AM
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Disklavier problem - upgrade or fix?

Good morning, everyone.

Jon, your m odel Disklavier is a Mark II and was made between 1992 and 1997. It supports double-density floppy disks but not high density floppy disks. It records in E-SEQ format and does not recording in the industry-standard SMF format although it will play back SMF files if they are Type 0.

If you can get the necessary circuit boards from Yamaha, you can cleanly replace your control unit with a DKC-850. The DKC-850 will provide you with innumerable benefits. You can check it out here:

If the replace ment circuit boards are not available, you can upgrade to the DKC-850 in a piggyback manner in which the new control unit connects to the old control unit with MIDI cables. Functionally, the main difference between using the DKC-850 as a replacement control unit vs. an add-on control unit is that the add-on scenario does not support DisklavierRadio and DisklavierTV.

Regards,

PianoBench

On Jun 28, 2014, at 8:25 AM, 'Jon Arnold'&n bsp;jonarnold@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

I bought a beautiful Yamaha 5’2” grand, love it. It came with a Yahaha Disklavier DKC100R unit (the one that uses the floppy disks), and the original owner had it wired up underneath with an amplifier, speakers, really ni ce. The original owner also gave me a few dozen floppies of various genres which I have enjoyed immensely.

About 6 months ago the unit was generating an error every time I would put a different disk in. I took a handful of the disks that it failed with, down to the local dealer, where each of them played just fine. So the tech came out and made s ome adjustments to the unit, then they worked fine.

Now 6 months later, the sa me thing is happening, and its not from overuse because the number of times I’ve used the unit since the te ch was here 6 months ago can be counted on one hand.

Perhaps it needs an upgrade? What would you suggest? A new disk drive? Upgrade to CD? (Yikes, $1700!) Or am I further ahead to get something where I could put a thumb drive into a USB port and have it play music from there? If the latter, does the thumb drive need to be formatted in a special way so that the unit can read it?

Thanks!



Re: [disklavier] Disklavier problem - upgrade or fix?

2014-06-30 by Dan Waxer

I upgraded a Grand Mark II to a Mark II XG and so far have not needed the extra circuit boards to make the upgrade from a DKC100R to a DKC500RXG.
All I needed was a single cable adaptor to convert from 9 pin to 15 pin (or x pins to y pins.)
It works perfectly and I have seen no issues despite NOT installing the two circuit boards Yamaha says you need.
I still do not know why the circuit boards are supposedly 'needed'?
Dan
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2014 7:33 AM
Subject: RE: [disklavier] Disklavier problem - upgrade or fix?

Thanks for the great response. Do you have any idea where to purchase one of those and/or how much it costs? Any recommendations for service in the Melbourne Florida (Satellite Beach) area?

From: disklavier@yahoogroups.com [mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2014 9:28 AM
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Disklavier problem - upgrade or fix?

Good morning, everyone.

Jon, your model Disklavier is a Mark II and was made between 1992 and 1997. It supports double-density floppy disks but not high density floppy disks. It records in E-SEQ format and does not recording in the industry-standard SMF format although it will play back SMF files if they are Type 0.

If you can get the necessary circuit boards from Yamaha, you can cleanly replace your control unit with a DKC-850. The DKC-850 will provide you with innumerable benefits. You can check it out here:

If the replacement circuit boards are not available, you can upgrade to the DKC-850 in a piggyback manner in which the new control unit connects to the old control unit with MIDI cables. Functionally, the main difference between using the DKC-850 as a replacement control unit vs. an add-on control unit is that the add-on scenario does not support DisklavierRadio and DisklavierTV.

Regards,

PianoBench

On Jun 28, 2014, at 8:25 AM, 'Jon Arnold' jonarnold@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:



I bought a beautiful Yamaha 5’2” grand, love it. It came with a Yahaha Disklavier DKC100R unit (the one that uses the floppy disks), and the original owner had it wired up underneath with an amplifier, speakers, really nice. The original owner also gave me a few dozen floppies of various genres which I have enjoyed immensely.

About 6 months ago the unit was generating an error every time I would put a different disk in. I took a handful of the disks that it failed with, down to the local dealer, where each of them played just fine. So the tech came out and made some adjustments to the unit, then they worked fine.

Now 6 months later, the same thing is happening, and its not from overuse because the number of times I’ve used the unit since the te ch was here 6 months ago can be counted on one hand.

Perhaps it needs an upgrade? What would you suggest? A new disk drive? Upgrade to CD? (Yikes, $1700!) Or am I further ahead to get something where I could put a thumb drive into a USB port and have it play music from there? If the latter, does the thumb drive need to be formatted in a special way so that the unit can read it?

Thanks!

Re: [disklavier] Disklavier problem - upgrade or fix?

2014-06-30 by Skanter123

Dan, how does one upgrade from a Mark II to a Mark II XG? I have an MPX100II which is a Mk II model.

Sam 
www.keyboardcollective.com
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> On Jun 29, 2014, at 11:29 PM, "'Dan Waxer' zed123@... [disklavier]" <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> 
> I upgraded a Grand Mark II to a Mark II XG and so far have not needed the extra circuit boards to make the upgrade from a DKC100R to a DKC500RXG.
>  
> All I needed was a single cable adaptor to convert from 9 pin to 15 pin (or x pins to y pins.)
>  
> It works perfectly and I have seen no issues despite NOT installing the two circuit boards Yamaha says you need.
>  
> I still do not know why the circuit boards are supposedly 'needed'?
>  
> Dan
>  
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: 'Jon Arnold' jonarnold@... [disklavier]
> To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2014 7:33 AM
> Subject: RE: [disklavier] Disklavier problem - upgrade or fix?
> 
> Thanks for the great response.  Do you have any idea where to purchase one of those and/or how much it costs?  Any recommendations for service in the Melbourne Florida (Satellite Beach) area?
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> From: disklavier@yahoogroups.com [mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com] 
> Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2014 9:28 AM
> To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [disklavier] Disklavier problem - upgrade or fix?
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> Good morning, everyone.
> 
>  
> 
> Jon, your model Disklavier is a Mark II and was made between 1992 and 1997. It supports double-density floppy disks but not high density floppy disks. It records in E-SEQ format and does not recording in the industry-standard SMF format although it will play back SMF files if they are Type 0.
> 
>  
> 
> If you can get the necessary circuit boards from Yamaha, you can cleanly replace your control unit with a DKC-850. The DKC-850 will provide you with innumerable benefits. You can check it out here:
> 
>  
> 
> http://yamahaden.com/news/item/273-how-to-upgrade-an-older-disklavier
> 
>  
> 
> If the replacement circuit boards are not available, you can upgrade to the DKC-850 in a piggyback manner in which the new control unit connects to the old control unit with MIDI cables. Functionally, the main difference between using the DKC-850 as a replacement control unit vs. an add-on control unit is that the add-on scenario does not support DisklavierRadio and DisklavierTV.
> 
>  
> 
> Regards,
> 
> PianoBench
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> On Jun 28, 2014, at 8:25 AM, 'Jon Arnold' jonarnold@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> I bought a beautiful Yamaha 5’2” grand, love it.  It came with a Yahaha Disklavier DKC100R unit (the one that uses the floppy disks), and the original owner had it wired up underneath with an amplifier, speakers, really nice.  The original owner also gave me a few dozen floppies of various genres which I have enjoyed immensely.
> 
>  
> 
> About 6 months ago the unit was generating an error every time I would put a different disk in.  I took a handful of the disks that it failed with, down to the local dealer, where each of them played just fine.  So the tech came out and made some adjustments to the unit, then they worked fine.
> 
>  
> 
> Now 6 months later, the same thing is happening, and its not from overuse because the number of times I’ve used the unit since the te ch was here 6 months ago can be counted on one hand.
> 
>  
> 
> Perhaps it needs an upgrade?  What would you suggest?  A new disk drive?  Upgrade to CD?  (Yikes, $1700!)  Or am I further ahead to get something where I could put a thumb drive into a USB port and have it play music from there?  If the latter, does the thumb drive need to be formatted in a special way so that the unit can read it?
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks!
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>  
> 
>  
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>

RE: [disklavier] Disklavier problem - upgrade or fix?

2014-06-30 by Jon Arnold

Ok, now I am totally confused based on George's very thorough answer and
this answer.

 

Basically I want the disklavier to work again, but instead of simply
replacing the floppy drive (which is probably the most economical solution),
I was looking at what possible and cost effective upgrades could be done.

 

I'm not in a position to upgrade to the cosmic top-of-the-line $1700 unit
recommended by my Yamaha dealer (where a disklavier specialist needs come
from Orlando - 70 miles), despite the fact that it allegedly comes with
$1200 worth of music inside it.

 

I am a piano player and enjoy the disklavier immensely (when it works) but I
am not comfortable going with an unsupported or non-recommended solution,
nor unfortunately a solution where I need to tape this and solder that where
it SHOULD work.  While I could probably get it to work by doing that, I do
not have the time to put into that.

 

Is a unit with a CD better?  I don't know. Is it cost effective?  Is that
too much of a quantum leap from what I have now (that does not work)? Is it
easier and more cost effective to do something where I can plug a USB thumb
drive into a port and play the music from there, assuming that I can FIND
the music, assuming I can FIND the music at a reasonable price AND format
the USB thumb drive properly?
Show quoted textHide quoted text
From: disklavier@yahoogroups.com [mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com] 
Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 11:29 PM
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Disklavier problem - upgrade or fix?

 

  

I upgraded a Grand Mark II to a Mark II XG and so far have not needed the
extra circuit boards to make the upgrade from a DKC100R to a DKC500RXG.

 

All I needed was a single cable adaptor to convert from 9 pin to 15 pin (or
x pins to y pins.)

 

It works perfectly and I have seen no issues despite NOT installing the two
circuit boards Yamaha says you need.

 

I still do not know why the circuit boards are supposedly 'needed'?

 

Dan

 

----- Original Message ----- 

From: 'Jon Arnold' jonarnold@... [disklavier]
<mailto:jonarnold@...%20[disklavier]>  

To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com 

Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2014 7:33 AM

Subject: RE: [disklavier] Disklavier problem - upgrade or fix?

 

Thanks for the great response.  Do you have any idea where to purchase one
of those and/or how much it costs?  Any recommendations for service in the
Melbourne Florida (Satellite Beach) area?

 

 

From: disklavier@yahoogroups.com [mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com] 
Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2014 9:28 AM
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Disklavier problem - upgrade or fix?

 

  

Good morning, everyone.

 

Jon, your model Disklavier is a Mark II and was made between 1992 and 1997.
It supports double-density floppy disks but not high density floppy disks.
It records in E-SEQ format and does not recording in the industry-standard
SMF format although it will play back SMF files if they are Type 0.

 

If you can get the necessary circuit boards from Yamaha, you can cleanly
replace your control unit with a DKC-850. The DKC-850 will provide you with
innumerable benefits. You can check it out here:

 

http://yamahaden.com/news/item/273-how-to-upgrade-an-older-disklavier

 

If the replacement circuit boards are not available, you can upgrade to the
DKC-850 in a piggyback manner in which the new control unit connects to the
old control unit with MIDI cables. Functionally, the main difference between
using the DKC-850 as a replacement control unit vs. an add-on control unit
is that the add-on scenario does not support DisklavierRadio and
DisklavierTV.

 

Regards,

PianoBench

 

 

On Jun 28, 2014, at 8:25 AM, 'Jon Arnold' jonarnold@...
[disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:






 

I bought a beautiful Yamaha 5'2" grand, love it.  It came with a Yahaha
Disklavier DKC100R unit (the one that uses the floppy disks), and the
original owner had it wired up underneath with an amplifier, speakers,
really nice.  The original owner also gave me a few dozen floppies of
various genres which I have enjoyed immensely.

 

About 6 months ago the unit was generating an error every time I would put a
different disk in.  I took a handful of the disks that it failed with, down
to the local dealer, where each of them played just fine.  So the tech came
out and made some adjustments to the unit, then they worked fine.

 

Now 6 months later, the same thing is happening, and its not from overuse
because the number of times I've used the unit since the te ch was here 6
months ago can be counted on one hand.

 

Perhaps it needs an upgrade?  What would you suggest?  A new disk drive?
Upgrade to CD?  (Yikes, $1700!)  Or am I further ahead to get something
where I could put a thumb drive into a USB port and have it play music from
there?  If the latter, does the thumb drive need to be formatted in a
special way so that the unit can read it?

 

Thanks!

RE: [disklavier] Disklavier problem - upgrade or fix?

2014-06-30 by mangez@...

For what it's worth, I would get the floppy drive replaced (cheapest way to get the piano going again) and then connect it to a laptop via MIDI. Among other things, this gives you mass storage, you can download songs form the internet, you can use something like VanBasco to organise your music and playlists and you can run sequencing software, should you decide to start recording/creating/editing songs.

Adrian Thomas Music Services
www.adrianthomas.net

On Jun 30 2014, 'Jon Arnold' jonarnold@... [disklavier] wrote:

Ok, now I am totally confused based on George's very thorough answer and
this answer.



Basically I want the disklavier to work again, but instead of simply
replacing the floppy drive (which is probably the most economical solution),
I was looking at what possible and cost effective upgrades could be done.



I'm not in a position to upgrade to the cosmic top-of-the-line $1700 unit
recommended by my Yamaha dealer (where a disklavier specialist needs come
from Orlando - 70 miles), despite the fact that it allegedly comes with
$1200 worth of music inside it.



I am a piano player and enjoy the disklavier immensely (when it works) but I
am not comfortable going with an unsupported or non-recommended solution,
nor unfortunately a solution where I need to tape this and solder that where
it SHOULD work. While I could probably get it to work by doing that, I do
not have the time to put into that.



Is a unit with a CD better? I don't know. Is it cost effective? Is that
too much of a quantum leap from what I have now (that does not work)? Is it
easier and more cost effective to do something where I can plug a USB thumb
drive into a port and play the music from there, assuming that I can FIND
the music, assuming I can FIND the music at a reasonable price AND format
the USB thumb drive properly?







Show quoted textHide quoted text
From: disklavier@yahoogroups.com [mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 11:29 PM
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Disklavier problem - upgrade or fix?





I upgraded a Grand Mark II to a Mark II XG and so far have not needed the
extra circuit boards to make the upgrade from a DKC100R to a DKC500RXG.



All I needed was a single cable adaptor to convert from 9 pin to 15 pin (or
x pins to y pins.)



It works perfectly and I have seen no issues despite NOT installing the two
circuit boards Yamaha says you need.



I still do not know why the circuit boards are supposedly 'needed'?



Dan



----- Original Message -----

From: 'Jon Arnold' jonarnold@... [disklavier]


To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2014 7:33 AM

Subject: RE: [disklavier] Disklavier problem - upgrade or fix?



Thanks for the great response. Do you have any idea where to purchase one
of those and/or how much it costs? Any recommendations for service in the
Melbourne Florida (Satellite Beach) area?





From: disklavier@yahoogroups.com [mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2014 9:28 AM
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Disklavier problem - upgrade or fix?





Good morning, everyone.



Jon, your model Disklavier is a Mark II and was made between 1992 and 1997.
It supports double-density floppy disks but not high density floppy disks.
It records in E-SEQ format and does not recording in the industry-standard
SMF format although it will play back SMF files if they are Type 0.



If you can get the necessary circuit boards from Yamaha, you can cleanly
replace your control unit with a DKC-850. The DKC-850 will provide you with
innumerable benefits. You can check it out here:



http://yamahaden.com/news/item/273-how-to-upgrade-an-older-disklavier



If the replacement circuit boards are not available, you can upgrade to the
DKC-850 in a piggyback manner in which the new control unit connects to the
old control unit with MIDI cables. Functionally, the main difference between
using the DKC-850 as a replacement control unit vs. an add-on control unit
is that the add-on scenario does not support DisklavierRadio and
DisklavierTV.



Regards,

PianoBench





On Jun 28, 2014, at 8:25 AM, 'Jon Arnold' jonarnold@...
[disklavier] wrote:








I bought a beautiful Yamaha 5'2" grand, love it. It came with a Yahaha
Disklavier DKC100R unit (the one that uses the floppy disks), and the
original owner had it wired up underneath with an amplifier, speakers,
really nice. The original owner also gave me a few dozen floppies of
various genres which I have enjoyed immensely.



About 6 months ago the unit was generating an error every time I would put a
different disk in. I took a handful of the disks that it failed with, down
to the local dealer, where each of them played just fine. So the tech came
out and made some adjustments to the unit, then they worked fine.



Now 6 months later, the same thing is happening, and its not from overuse
because the number of times I've used the unit since the te ch was here 6
months ago can be counted on one hand.



Perhaps it needs an upgrade? What would you suggest? A new disk drive?
Upgrade to CD? (Yikes, $1700!) Or am I further ahead to get something
where I could put a thumb drive into a USB port and have it play music from
there? If the latter, does the thumb drive need to be formatted in a
special way so that the unit can read it?



Thanks!









Re: [disklavier] Disklavier problem - upgrade or fix?

2014-06-30 by Sam Kanter

My floppy didn't work, I bought an external floppy from Amazon for $10 (vs $350 from Yamaha) and transferred all music to computer HD. You need a special program available online to do this.
My DKV floppy started working again, but I find no need for it now.

Sam Kanter
www.keyboardcollective.com
(212) 684-3304


On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 6:25 PM, mangez@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

For what it's worth, I would get the floppy drive replaced (cheapest way to get the piano going again) and then connect it to a laptop via MIDI. Among other things, this gives you mass storage, you can download songs form the internet, you can use something like VanBasco to organise your music and playlists and you can run sequencing software, should you decide to start recording/creating/editing songs.

Adrian Thomas Music Services
www.adrianthomas.net

On Jun 30 2014, 'Jon Arnold' jonarnold@... [disklavier] wrote:

Ok, now I am totally confused based on George's very thorough answer and
this answer.



Basically I want the disklavier to work again, but instead of simply
replacing the floppy drive (which is probably the most economical solution),
I was looking at what possible and cost effective upgrades could be done.



I'm not in a position to upgrade to the cosmic top-of-the-line $1700 unit
recommended by my Yamaha dealer (where a disklavier specialist needs come
from Orlando - 70 miles), despite the fact that it allegedly comes with
$1200 worth of music inside it.



I am a piano player and enjoy the disklavier immensely (when it works) but I
am not comfortable going with an unsupported or non-recommended solution,
nor unfortunately a solution where I need to tape this and solder that where
it SHOULD work. While I could probably get it to work by doing that, I do
not have the time to put into that.



Is a unit with a CD better? I don't know. Is it cost effective? Is that
too much of a quantum leap from what I have now (that does not work)? Is it
easier and more cost effective to do something where I can plug a USB thumb
drive into a port and play the music from there, assuming that I can FIND
the music, assuming I can FIND the music at a reasonable price AND format
the USB thumb drive properly?







Show quoted textHide quoted text

From: disklavier@yahoogroups.com [mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 11:29 PM
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Disklavier problem - upgrade or fix?





I upgraded a Grand Mark II to a Mark II XG and so far have not needed the
extra circuit boards to make the upgrade from a DKC100R to a DKC500RXG.



All I needed was a single cable adaptor to convert from 9 pin to 15 pin (or
x pins to y pins.)



It works perfectly and I have seen no issues despite NOT installing the two
circuit boards Yamaha says you need.



I still do not know why the circuit boards are supposedly 'needed'?



Dan



----- Original Message -----

From: 'Jon Arnold' jonarnold@... [disklavier]


To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2014 7:33 AM

Subject: RE: [disklavier] Disklavier problem - upgrade or fix?



Thanks for the great response. Do you have any idea where to purchase one
of those and/or how much it costs? Any recommendations for service in the
Melbourne Florida (Satellite Beach) area?





From: disklavier@yahoogroups.com [mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2014 9:28 AM
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Disklavier problem - upgrade or fix?





Good morning, everyone.



Jon, your model Disklavier is a Mark II and was made between 1992 and 1997.
It supports double-density floppy disks but not high density floppy disks.
It records in E-SEQ format and does not recording in the industry-standard
SMF format although it will play back SMF files if they are Type 0.



If you can get the necessary circuit boards from Yamaha, you can cleanly
replace your control unit with a DKC-850. The DKC-850 will provide you with
innumerable benefits. You can check it out here:



http://yamahaden.com/news/item/273-how-to-upgrade-an-older-disklavier



If the replacement circuit boards are not available, you can upgrade to the
DKC-850 in a piggyback manner in which the new control unit connects to the
old control unit with MIDI cables. Functionally, the main difference between
using the DKC-850 as a replacement control unit vs. an add-on control unit
is that the add-on scenario does not support DisklavierRadio and
DisklavierTV.



Regards,

PianoBench





On Jun 28, 2014, at 8:25 AM, 'Jon Arnold' jonarnold@...
[disklavier] wrote:








I bought a beautiful Yamaha 5'2" grand, love it. It came with a Yahaha
Disklavier DKC100R unit (the one that uses the floppy disks), and the
original owner had it wired up underneath with an amplifier, speakers,
really nice. The original owner also gave me a few dozen floppies of
various genres which I have enjoyed immensely.



About 6 months ago the unit was generating an error every time I would put a
different disk in. I took a handful of the disks that it failed with, down
to the local dealer, where each of them played just fine. So the tech came
out and made some adjustments to the unit, then they worked fine.



Now 6 months later, the same thing is happening, and its not from overuse
because the number of times I've used the unit since the te ch was here 6
months ago can be counted on one hand.



Perhaps it needs an upgrade? What would you suggest? A new disk drive?
Upgrade to CD? (Yikes, $1700!) Or am I further ahead to get something
where I could put a thumb drive into a USB port and have it play music from
there? If the latter, does the thumb drive need to be formatted in a
special way so that the unit can read it?



Thanks!










Re: [disklavier] Disklavier problem - upgrade or fix?

2014-06-30 by Bill Brandom

The Mark II does not require a working floppy drive to access the MIDI functions. So unless you want to play from your control unit's floppy drive, you don't really need to replace it.

Bill

 iPhone

On Jun 30, 2014, at 2:25 PM, "mangez@... [disklavier]" <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

For what it's worth, I would get the floppy drive replaced (cheapest way to get the piano going again) and then connect it to a laptop via MIDI. Among other things, this gives you mass storage, you can download songs form the internet, you can use something like VanBasco to organise your music and playlists and you can run sequencing software, should you decide to start recording/creating/editing songs.

Adrian Thomas Music Services
www.adrianthomas.net

On Jun 30 2014, 'Jon Arnold' jonarnold@earthlink.net [disklavier] wrote: 

Ok, now I am totally confused based on George's very thorough answer and
this answer.



Basically I want the disklavier to work again, but instead of simply
replacing the floppy drive (which is probably the most economical solution),
I was looking at what possible and cost effective upgrades could be done.



I'm not in a position to upgrade to the cosmic top-of-the-line $1700 unit
recommended by my Yamaha dealer (where a disklavier specialist needs come
from Orlando - 70 miles), despite the fact that it allegedly comes with
$1200 worth of music inside it.



I am a piano player and enjoy the disklavier immensely (when it works) but I
am not comfortable going with an unsupported or non-recommended solution,
nor unfortunately a solution where I need to tape this and solder that where
it SHOULD work. While I could probably get it to work by doing that, I do
not have the time to put into that.



Is a unit with a CD better? I don't know. Is it cost effective? Is that
too much of a quantum leap from what I have now (that does not work)? Is it
easier and more cost effective to do something where I can plug a USB thumb
drive into a port and play the music from there, assuming that I can FIND
the music, assuming I can FIND the music at a reasonable price AND format
the USB thumb drive properly?
Show quoted textHide quoted text
From: disklavier@yahoogroups.com [mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com] 
Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 11:29 PM
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Disklavier problem - upgrade or fix?





I upgraded a Grand Mark II to a Mark II XG and so far have not needed the
extra circuit boards to make the upgrade from a DKC100R to a DKC500RXG.



All I needed was a single cable adaptor to convert from 9 pin to 15 pin (or
x pins to y pins.)



It works perfectly and I have seen no issues despite NOT installing the two
circuit boards Yamaha says you need.



I still do not know why the circuit boards are supposedly 'needed'?



Dan



----- Original Message ----- 

From: 'Jon Arnold' jonarnold@... [disklavier]


To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com 

Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2014 7:33 AM

Subject: RE: [disklavier] Disklavier problem - upgrade or fix?



Thanks for the great response. Do you have any idea where to purchase one
of those and/or how much it costs? Any recommendations for service in the
Melbourne Florida (Satellite Beach) area?





From: disklavier@yahoogroups.com [mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com] 
Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2014 9:28 AM
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Disklavier problem - upgrade or fix?





Good morning, everyone.



Jon, your model Disklavier is a Mark II and was made between 1992 and 1997.
It supports double-density floppy disks but not high density floppy disks.
It records in E-SEQ format and does not recording in the industry-standard
SMF format although it will play back SMF files if they are Type 0.



If you can get the necessary circuit boards from Yamaha, you can cleanly
replace your control unit with a DKC-850. The DKC-850 will provide you with
innumerable benefits. You can check it out here:



http://yamahaden.com/news/item/273-how-to-upgrade-an-older-disklavier



If the replacement circuit boards are not available, you can upgrade to the
DKC-850 in a piggyback manner in which the new control unit connects to the
old control unit with MIDI cables. Functionally, the main difference between
using the DKC-850 as a replacement control unit vs. an add-on control unit
is that the add-on scenario does not support DisklavierRadio and
DisklavierTV.



Regards,

PianoBench





On Jun 28, 2014, at 8:25 AM, 'Jon Arnold' jonarnold@...
[disklavier] wrote:








I bought a beautiful Yamaha 5'2" grand, love it. It came with a Yahaha
Disklavier DKC100R unit (the one that uses the floppy disks), and the
original owner had it wired up underneath with an amplifier, speakers,
really nice. The original owner also gave me a few dozen floppies of
various genres which I have enjoyed immensely.



About 6 months ago the unit was generating an error every time I would put a
different disk in. I took a handful of the disks that it failed with, down
to the local dealer, where each of them played just fine. So the tech came
out and made some adjustments to the unit, then they worked fine.



Now 6 months later, the same thing is happening, and its not from overuse
because the number of times I've used the unit since the te ch was here 6
months ago can be counted on one hand.



Perhaps it needs an upgrade? What would you suggest? A new disk drive?
Upgrade to CD? (Yikes, $1700!) Or am I further ahead to get something
where I could put a thumb drive into a USB port and have it play music from
there? If the latter, does the thumb drive need to be formatted in a
special way so that the unit can read it?



Thanks!

Re: [disklavier] Disklavier problem - upgrade or fix?

2014-07-02 by thirdharmonic@...

Hello, I may be able to help out. I work for a loarge corp that has a few "brains" sitting around. I e-mailed them last night and was told they would be willing to part with one. Not sure of it's status repair-wise, but I do know it would be a great deal. So, if you are interested, send me a note.

Patrick

Re: [disklavier] Disklavier problem - upgrade or fix?

2014-07-02 by PianoBench@...

Good morning, everyone.

I'll do my best to demystify the upgrade situation for Mark II Disklaviers. I should qualify what I am about to say by pointing out that I don't work for Yamaha Piano Service. In general, I recommend consulting one's local dealer about available upgrades and then proceed to contact Yamaha Piano Service if the information from the dealer is incomplete.

You might want to start by taking a look at a history of the Disklavier that is recounted on the Disklavier Education Network website:


You'll note from the article that the Mark II series was introduced in 1990. The Mark IIXG series was introduced in 1992. The article discusses the improvements offered by the Mark IIXG series.

During the 1990s, Yamaha offered an upgrade kit for Mark II pianos. I believe that the exact components of the kit were slightly different for each particular model. In general, these kits included a replacement control unit, any necessary cabling, and replacement circuit boards as needed.

In the case of the upright Mark IIs, there was a replacement component for the upper portion of the instrument case. Mark II uprights had a control unit that was built into the upper portion of the instrument's case. The Mark IIXG control unit, however, was not designed to fit into that cavity but was designed to sit on top of the instrument or be mounted under the keys. To take care of the empty cavity problem, upgrade kits for upright Mark IIs included a replacement bezel (for lack of a better term) that ran the width of the piano.

The Mark II—>Mark IIXG upgrade kits substantially improved the user experience with these instruments. It is worth noting that the upgrade kits did not replace the components of the record and playback system. Having said that, one can generally think of an upgraded Mark II as the functional equivalent of a Mark IIXG.

In general, if you want to upgrade an older Disklavier so that it has most of the modern amenities of an E3, you should get a DKC-850. If you have a Mark IIXG (or Mark II that has been upgraded to a Mark IIXG), you can cleanly upgrade the instrument yourself. The DKC-850 kit comes with all of the necessary cables and remarkably clear instructions. Anyone can do it.

If you have a Mark II and want a clean upgrade to a DKC-850 in which you completely rid yourself of the Mark II control unit, you have to pass through the Mark II—>Mark IIXG upgrade phase. However, this does not mean that you actually have to purchase a complete Mark II—>Mark IIXG upgrade kit. In fact, those kits don't exist any more. What you need are any of the necessary updated circuit boards, some of which--I believe--are still available. This is the point at which a call to Yamaha Piano Service is probably in order.

It is certainly true that older model Disklaviers are quite functional by virtue of their MIDI ports. This means that you can record to external devices and playback from external devices. Other modern features require a modern control unit.

I'll point out that you can add a DKC-850 to a Mark II piano by simply connecting it with MIDI cables. The DKC-850 comes with cables and instructions for that purpose. You do end up, however, with two control units. However, as long as the old unit is turned on, you can ignore the old unit and just focus your activities on the new DKC-850. In fact, you can even mount the old control unit somewhere on the piano that is out of sight, if you wish. The primary limitation of this arrangement is that you will not have access to DisklavierTV or DisklavierRadio. And, your only way to establish a connection with an external MIDI device will be via the USB device port that is available on the DKC-850.

Regards,
PianoBench


On Jun 30, 2014, at 12:06 PM, 'Jon Arnold' jonarnold@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


Ok, now I am totally confused based on George’s very thorough answer and this answer.

Basically I want the disklavier to work again, but instead of simply replacing the floppy drive (which is probably the most economical solution), I was looking at what possible and cost effective upgrades could be done.

I’m not in a position to upgrade to the cosmic top-of-the-line $1700 unit recommended by my Yamaha dealer (where a disklavier specialist needs come from Orlando – 70 miles), despite the fact that it allegedly comes with $1200 worth of music inside it.

I am a piano player and enjoy the disklavier immensely (when it works) but I am not comfortable going with an unsupported or non-recommended solution, nor unfortunately a solution where I need to tape this and solder that where it SHOULD work. While I could probably get it to work by doing that, I do not have the time to put into that.

Is a unit with a CD better? I don’t know. Is it cost effective? Is that too much of a quantum leap from what I have now (that does not work)? Is it easier and more cost effective to do something where I can plug a USB thumb drive into a po rt and play the music from there, assuming that I can FIND the music, assuming I can FIND the music at a reasonable price AND format the USB thumb drive properly?

Show quoted textHide quoted text

From: disklavier@yahoogroups.com [mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 11:29 PM
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Disklavier problem - upgrade or fix?

I upgraded a Grand Mark II to a Mark II XG and so far have not needed the extra circuit boards to make the upgrade from a DKC100R to a DKC500RXG.

All I needed was a single cable adaptor to convert from 9 pin to 15 pin (or x pins to y pins.)

It works perfectly and I have seen no issues despite NOT installing the two circuit boards Yamaha says you need.

I still do not know why the circuit boards are supposedly 'needed'?

< p class="MsoNormal">Dan

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, June 2 8, 2014 7:33 AM

Subject: RE: [disklavier] Disklavier problem - upgrade or fix?

Thanks for the great response. Do you have any idea where to purchase one of those and/or how much it costs? Any recommendations for service in the Melbourne Florida (Satellite Beach) area?

From: disklavier@yaho ogroups.com [mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2014 9:28 AM
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Disklavier problem - upgrade or fix?

Good morning, everyone.

Jon, your model Disklavier is a Mark II and was made between 1992 and 1997. It supports double-density floppy disks but not high density floppy disks. It records in E-SEQ format and does not recording in the industry-standard SMF format although it will play back SMF files if they are Type 0.

If you can get the necessary circuit boards from Yamaha, you can cleanly replace your control unit with a DKC-850. The DKC-850 will provide you with innumerable benefits. You can check it out here:

If the replacement circuit boards are not available, you can upgrade to the DKC-850 in a piggyback manner in which the new control unit connects to the old control unit with MIDI cables. Functionally, the main difference between using the DKC-850 as a replacement control unit vs. an add-on control unit is that the add-on scenario does not support DisklavierRadio and DisklavierTV.

Regards,

PianoBench

On Jun 28, 2014, at 8:25 AM, 'Jon Arnold' jonarnold@earthlink.net [disklavier] <;disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:




I bought a beautiful Yamaha 5’2” grand, love it. It came with a Yahaha Disklavier DKC100R unit (the one that uses the floppy disks), and the original owner had it wired up underneath with an amplifier, speakers, really nice. The original owner also gave me a few dozen floppies of various genres which I have enjoyed immensely.

About 6 months ago the unit was generating an error every time I would put a different disk in. I took a handful of the disks that it failed with, down to the local dealer, where each of them played just fine. So the tech came out and made some adjustments to the unit, then they worked fine.

Now 6 months later, the same thing is happening, and its not from overuse because the number of times I’ve used the unit since the te ch was here 6 months ago can be counted on one hand.

Perhaps it needs an upgrade? What would you suggest? A new disk drive? Upgrade to CD? (Yikes, $1700!) Or am I further ahead to get something where I could put a thumb drive into a USB port and have it play music from there? If the latter, does the thumb drive need to be formatted in a special way so that the unit can read it?

Thanks!



Re: [disklavier] Disklavier problem - upgrade or fix?

2014-07-02 by John Rank

I have about 45 Yamaha diskettes for my Mark IIXG grand piano and want to make sure that when I get the DKC-850 that I will still be able to use them. I was told by one of the local dealers that I need to keep my old control device to use them all –something to do with copyright issues(?). that seems crazy since I paid for them all and they would be for my personal use. I have not read anything that says how to transfer the contents of the disks to the DKC-850., Are there instructions with the unit that tell how to do this? or is there indeed an issue? I would prefer not to have two units attached to the piano; it always sounds easy for anyone to “cleanly upgrade the instrument yourself,” but I have my doubts! Is it possible to just pay someone from the local dealer to come out, install the upgrade and do whatever is necessary to transfer the disks to the harddrive of the 850? (if my phrasing of the question is even close to correct).
Thanks,
John
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Good morning, everyone.

I'll do my best to demystify the upgrade situation for Mark II Disklaviers. I should qualify what I am about to say by pointing out that I don't work for Yamaha Piano Service. In general, I recommend consulting one's local dealer about available upgrades and then proceed to contact Yamaha Piano Service if the information from the dealer is incomplete.
You might want to start by taking a look at a history of the Disklavier that is recounted on the Disklavier Education Network website:
You'll note from the article that the Mark II series was introduced in 1990. The Mark IIXG series was introduced in 1992. The article discusses the improvements offered by the Mark IIXG series.
During the 1990s, Yamaha offered an upgrade kit for Mark II pianos. I believe that the exact components of the kit were slightly different for each particular model. In general, these kits included a replacement control unit, any necessary cabling, and replacement circuit boards as needed.
In the case of the upright Mark IIs, there was a replacement component for the upper portion of the instrument case. Mark II uprights had a control unit that was built into the upper portion of the instrument's case. The Mark IIXG control unit, however, was not designed to fit into that cavity but was designed to sit on top of the instrument or be mounted under the keys. To take care of the empty cavity problem, upgrade kits for upright Mark IIs included a replacement bezel (for lack of a better term) that ran the width of the piano.
The Mark II—>Mark IIXG upgrade kits substantially improved the user experience with these instruments. It is worth noting that the upgrade kits did not replace the components of the record and playback system. Having said that, one can generally think of an upgraded Mark II as the functional equivalent of a Mark IIXG.
In general, if you want to upgrade an older Disklavier so that it has most of the modern amenities of an E3, you should get a DKC-850. If you have a Mark IIXG (or Mark II that has been upgraded to a Mark IIXG), you can cleanly upgrade the instrument yourself. The DKC-850 kit comes with all of the necessary cables and remarkably clear instructions. Anyone can do it.
If you have a Mark II and want a clean upgrade to a DKC-850 in which you completely rid yourself of the Mark II control unit, you have to pass through the Mark II—>Mark IIXG upgrade phase. However, this does not mean that you actually have to purchase a complete Mark II—>Mark IIXG upgrade kit. In fact, those kits don't exist any more. What you need are any of the necessary updated circuit boards, some of which--I believe--are still available. This is the point at which a call to Yamaha Piano Service is probably in order.
It is certainly true that older model Disklaviers are quite functional by virtue of their MIDI ports. This means that you can record to external devices and playback from external devices. Other modern features require a modern control unit.
I'll point out that you can add a DKC-850 to a Mark II piano by simply connecting it with MIDI cables. The DKC-850 comes with cables and instructions for that purpose. You do end up, however, with two control units. However, as long as the old unit is turned on, you can ignore the old unit and just focus your activities on the new DKC-850. In fact, you can even mount the old control unit somewhere on the piano that is out of sight, if you wish. The primary limitation of this arrangement is that you will not have access to DisklavierTV or DisklavierRadio. And, your only way to establish a connection with an external MIDI device will be via the USB device port that is available on the DKC-850.
Regards,
PianoBench
On Jun 30, 2014, at 12:06 PM, 'Jon Arnold' jonarnold@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Ok, now I am totally confused based on George’s very thorough answer and this answer.

Basically I want the disklavier to work again, but instead of simply replacing the floppy drive (which is probably the most economical solution), I was looking at what possible and cost effective upgrades could be done.

I’m not in a position to upgrade to the cosmic top-of-the-line $1700 unit recommended by my Yamaha dealer (where a disklavier specialist needs come from Orlando – 70 miles), despite the fact that it allegedly comes with $1200 worth of music inside it.

I am a piano player and enjoy the disklavier immensely (when it works) but I am not comfortable going with an unsupported or non-recommended solution, nor unfortunately a solution where I need to tape this and solder that where it SHOULD work. While I could probably get it to work by doing that, I do not have the time to put into that.

Is a unit with a CD better? I don’t know. Is it cost effective? Is that too much of a quantum leap from what I have now (that does not work)? Is it easier and more cost effective to do something where I can plug a USB thumb drive into a po rt and play the music from there, assuming that I can FIND the music, assuming I can FIND the music at a reasonable price AND format the USB thumb drive properly?

From: disklavier@yahoogroups.com [mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 11:29 PM
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Disklavier problem - upgrade or fix?

I upgraded a Grand Mark II to a Mark II XG and so far have not needed the extra circuit boards to make the upgrade from a DKC100R to a DKC500RXG.

All I needed was a single cable adaptor to convert from 9 pin to 15 pin (or x pins to y pins.)

It works perfectly and I have seen no issues despite NOT installing the two circuit boards Yamaha says you need.

I still do not know why the circuit boards are supposedly 'needed'?

< p class="MsoNormal">Dan

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Subject: RE: [disklavier] Disklavier problem - upgrade or fix?

Thanks for the great response. Do you have any idea where to purchase one of those and/or how much it costs? Any recommendations for service in the Melbourne Florida (Satellite Beach) area?

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Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2014 9:28 AM
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Subject: ;Re: [disklavier] Disklavier problem - upgrade or fix?

Good morning, everyone.

Jon, your model Disklavier is a Mark II and was made between 1992 and 1997. It supports double-density floppy disks but not high density floppy disks. It records in E-SEQ format and does not recording in the industry-standard SMF format although it will play back SMF files if they are Type 0.

If you can get the necessary circuit boards from Yamaha, you can cleanly replace your control unit with a DKC-850. The DKC-850 will provide you with innumerable benefits. You can check it out here:

If the replacement circuit boards are not available, you can upgrade to the DKC-850 in a piggyback manner in which the new control unit connects to the old control unit with MIDI cables. Functionally, the main difference between using the DKC-850 as a replacement control unit vs. an add-on control unit is that the add-on scenario does not support DisklavierRadio and DisklavierTV.

Regards,

PianoBench

On Jun 28, 2014, at 8:25 AM, 'Jon Arnold' jonarnold@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:




I bought a beautiful Yamaha 5’2” grand, love it. It came with a Yahaha Disklavier DKC100R unit (the one that uses the floppy disks), and the original owner had it wired up underneath with an amplifier, speakers, really nice. The original owner also gave me a few dozen floppies of various genres which I have enjoyed immensely.

About 6 months ago the unit was generating an error every time I would put a different disk in. I took a handful of the disks that it failed with, down to the local dealer, where each of them played just fine. ; So the tech came out and made some adjustments to the unit, then they worked fine.

Now 6 months later, the same thing is happening, and its not from overuse because the number of times I’ve used the unit since the te ch was here 6 months ago can be counted on one hand.

Perhaps it needs an upgrade? What would you suggest? A new disk drive? Upgrade to CD? (Yikes, $1700!) Or am I further ahead to get something where I could put a thumb drive into a USB port and have it play music from there? If the latter, does the thumb drive need to be formatted in a special way so that the unit can read it?

Thanks!

Re: Disklavier problem - upgrade or fix?

2014-07-10 by caruser25@...

Hey Jon,

Aside for an upgrade to DKC850 I would advise to buy a small 3.5 diskette cleaning kit. On my DKV I also use diskettes and every now and then my floppys start failing and by running a cleaning diskette I am good for another 6 months or so. As diskettes itself these days cleaning kits are not easy to find but still around.

Greetings.

Re: [disklavier] Re: Disklavier problem - upgrade or fix?

2014-07-10 by Sam Kanter

I've fixed two floppy drives in DKVs by jamming in a floppy really HARD. This seems to unstuck them. Worth a try. 

Sam
www.keyboardcollective.com
(212) 684-3304

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> On Jul 10, 2014, at 1:07 PM, "caruser25@... [disklavier]" <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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> Hey Jon, 
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> Aside for an upgrade to DKC850 I would advise to buy a small 3.5 diskette cleaning kit.  On my DKV I also use diskettes and every now and then my floppys start failing and by running a cleaning diskette I am good for another 6 months or so.  As diskettes itself these days cleaning kits are not easy to find but still around. 
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> Greetings.
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RE: [disklavier] Re: Disklavier problem - upgrade or fix?

2014-07-10 by Jon Arnold

I’m not that that it is “stuck” but out of a dozen floppies, it will only play ONE of them, where it displays an error with the others. But the others play just fine if I take them down to the local Yamaha dealer.  And the bigger problem is that the one that DOES play is Christmas music….
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Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 1:17 PM
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re: Disklavier problem - upgrade or fix?

 

  

I've fixed two floppy drives in DKVs by jamming in a floppy really HARD. This seems to unstuck them. Worth a try. 

Sam

www.keyboardcollective.com

(212) 684-3304

 

*(Sent from phone - please excuse brevity and typos.)


On Jul 10, 2014, at 1:07 PM, "caruser25@... [disklavier]" <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

  

Hey Jon, 

Aside for an upgrade to DKC850 I would advise to buy a small 3.5 diskette cleaning kit.  On my DKV I also use diskettes and every now and then my floppys start failing and by running a cleaning diskette I am good for another 6 months or so.  As diskettes itself these days cleaning kits are not easy to find but still around. 

Greetings.

RE: [disklavier] Re: Disklavier problem - upgrade or fix?

2014-07-10 by Jon Arnold

Thanks, appreciate that. I might try Radio Shack for a floppy disk head cleaning kit, they seem to stock older stuff like that.

 

Where can I get info about either a replacement drive for my DKC100R, or more info on the DKC850? Although there has been a ton of info shared here, which is appreciated, I think I am more confused now than when I first asked the question!  On the 850, as far as the”$1200 worth of songs that come with it” per my local Yamaha dealer, are those piano only, or piano and MIDI stuff also, since I currently have the connection from my 100R to my MU50 MIDI box? Does the 850 take the place of that MU50 in its entirety or is the MYU50 still needed if I want to hear MIDI stuff if I upgrade to the 850?

 

Is there a discount place to get the 850 if I want to go that route?  My local Yamaha dealer quoted me around $1750 for it, but then there is installation on top of that yet, and he no longer has a Yamaha tech, where the nearest place to get one would be Orlando, and there would likely be an upcharge for a 70 mile drive one way to a customer site?
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From: disklavier@yahoogroups.com [mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com] 
Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 1:08 PM
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [disklavier] Re: Disklavier problem - upgrade or fix?

 

  

Hey Jon, 

Aside for an upgrade to DKC850 I would advise to buy a small 3.5 diskette cleaning kit.  On my DKV I also use diskettes and every now and then my floppys start failing and by running a cleaning diskette I am good for another 6 months or so.  As diskettes itself these days cleaning kits are not easy to find but still around. 

Greetings.

Re: [disklavier] Re: Disklavier problem - upgrade or fix?

2014-07-10 by Sam Kanter

I bought an external USB floppy drive for 10 bucks, then transferred all floppies to computer. AFAIC, there is no reason to keep worrying about and using floppy disks in 2014.

Unless Disklavier Radio or TV is important to you, I see no reason for buying a DKC-850 when a cheap laptop will store millions of MIDI files, and record and playback from the Disklavier with ease. YMMV
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On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 1:57 PM, 'Jon Arnold' jonarnold@earthlink.net [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com>; wrote:

I’m not that that it is “stuck” but out of a dozen floppies, it will only play ONE of them, where it displays an error with the others. But the others play just fine if I take them down to the local Yamaha dealer. And the bigger problem is that the one that DOES play is Christmas music….

From: disklavier@yahoogroups.com [mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 1:17 PM
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re: Disklavier problem - upgrade or fix?

I've fixed two floppy drives in DKVs by jamming in a floppy really HARD. This seems to unstuck them. Worth a try.

Sam

*(Sent from phone - please excuse brevity and typos.)


On Jul 10, 2014, at 1:07 PM, "caruser25@... [disklavier]" <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Hey Jon,

Aside for an upgrade to DKC850 I would advise to buy a small 3.5 diskette cleaning kit. On my DKV I also use diskettes and every now and then my floppys start failing and by running a cleaning diskette I am good for another 6 months or so. As diskettes itself these days cleaning kits are not easy to find but still around.

Greetings.


Re: [disklavier] Re: Disklavier problem - upgrade or fix?

2014-07-10 by Richard Banks

Well
I think the upgrades are a rip off personally .... 
    I found that if you put a tooth pick under one edge just a little as a test, left or right side of the diskette while it is inserted , thus allowing it to "spin again". Most of the problems are Alignment of the drive and not the read head I think.. 
   At least that helps diagnose the alignment mechanics .. These drives are proprietary equipment ... They can be fiddled with and "realigned" 
Richard 
Studio engineer 
   

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> On Jul 10, 2014, at 10:57 AM, "'Jon Arnold' jonarnold@... [disklavier]" <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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> Thanks, appreciate that. I might try Radio Shack for a floppy disk head cleaning kit, they seem to stock older stuff like that.
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> 
> Where can I get info about either a replacement drive for my DKC100R, or more info on the DKC850? Although there has been a ton of info shared here, which is appreciated, I think I am more confused now than when I first asked the question!  On the 850, as far as the”$1200 worth of songs that come with it” per my local Yamaha dealer, are those piano only, or piano and MIDI stuff also, since I currently have the connection from my 100R to my MU50 MIDI box? Does the 850 take the place of that MU50 in its entirety or is the MYU50 still needed if I want to hear MIDI stuff if I upgrade to the 850?
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> Is there a discount place to get the 850 if I want to go that route?  My local Yamaha dealer quoted me around $1750 for it, but then there is installation on top of that yet, and he no longer has a Yamaha tech, where the nearest place to get one would be Orlando, and there would likely be an upcharge for a 70 mile drive one way to a customer site?
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> From: disklavier@yahoogroups.com [mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com] 
> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 1:08 PM
> To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [disklavier] Re: Disklavier problem - upgrade or fix?
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>  
> 
> Hey Jon, 
> 
> Aside for an upgrade to DKC850 I would advise to buy a small 3.5 diskette cleaning kit.  On my DKV I also use diskettes and every now and then my floppys start failing and by running a cleaning diskette I am good for another 6 months or so.  As diskettes itself these days cleaning kits are not easy to find but still around. 
> 
> Greetings.
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> 
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RE: [disklavier] Re: Disklavier problem - upgrade or fix?

2014-07-10 by Jon Arnold

Sam,

 

Ideally, if I could find a way to do it and to format the USB drive appropriately, an external USB drive or even a thumb drive would be perfect.  But I think I understand that special formatting is required, not just MAC or MSDOS format.
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From: disklavier@yahoogroups.com [mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com] 
Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 2:04 PM
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re: Disklavier problem - upgrade or fix?

 

  

I bought an external USB floppy drive for 10 bucks, then transferred all floppies to computer. AFAIC, there is no reason to keep worrying about and  using  floppy disks in 2014.

Unless Disklavier Radio or TV is important to you, I see no reason for buying a DKC-850 when a cheap laptop will store millions of MIDI files, and record and playback from the Disklavier with ease. YMMV




Sam Kanter
www.keyboardcollective.com
(212) 684-3304 <tel:%28212%29%20684-3304> 

 

On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 1:57 PM, 'Jon Arnold' jonarnold@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

  

I’m not that that it is “stuck” but out of a dozen floppies, it will only play ONE of them, where it displays an error with the others. But the others play just fine if I take them down to the local Yamaha dealer.  And the bigger problem is that the one that DOES play is Christmas music….

 

 

From: disklavier@yahoogroups.com [mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com] 
Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 1:17 PM
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re: Disklavier problem - upgrade or fix?

 

  

I've fixed two floppy drives in DKVs by jamming in a floppy really HARD. This seems to unstuck them. Worth a try. 

Sam

www.keyboardcollective.com

(212) 684-3304 <tel:%28212%29%20684-3304> 

 

*(Sent from phone - please excuse brevity and typos.)


On Jul 10, 2014, at 1:07 PM, "caruser25@... [disklavier]" <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

  

Hey Jon, 

Aside for an upgrade to DKC850 I would advise to buy a small 3.5 diskette cleaning kit.  On my DKV I also use diskettes and every now and then my floppys start failing and by running a cleaning diskette I am good for another 6 months or so.  As diskettes itself these days cleaning kits are not easy to find but still around. 

Greetings.

Re: [disklavier] Re: Disklavier problem - upgrade or fix?

2014-07-10 by Sam Kanter

There's a program that will convert the disks - more later when I have time at home.

Sam Kanter
www.keyboardcollective.com
(212) 684-3304


On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 2:51 PM, 'Jon Arnold9; jonarnold@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Sam,

Ideally, if I could find a way to do it and to format the USB drive appropriately, an external USB drive or even a thumb drive would be perfect. But I think I understand that special formatting is required, not just MAC or MSDOS format.

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From: disklavier@yahoogroups.com [mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 2:04 PM
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re: Disklavier problem - upgrade or fix?

I bought an external USB floppy drive for 10 bucks, then transferred all floppies to computer. AFAIC, there is no reason to keep worrying about and using floppy disks in 2014.

Unless Disklavier Radio or TV is important to you, I see no reason for buying a DKC-850 when a cheap laptop will store millions of MIDI files, and record and playback from the Disklavier with ease. YMMV


On Thu, Jul 10, 2014 at 1:57 PM, 'Jon Arnold' jonarnold@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

I’m not that that it is “stuck” but out of a dozen floppies, it will only play ONE of them, where it displays an error with the others. But the others play just fine if I take them down to the local Yamaha dealer. And the bigger problem is that the one that DOES play is Christmas music….

From: disklavier@yahoogroups.com [mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 1:17 PM
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re: Disklavier problem - upgrade or fix?

I've fixed two floppy drives in DKVs by jamming in a floppy really HARD. This seems to unstuck them. Worth a try.

Sam

*(Sent from phone - please excuse brevity and typos.)


On Jul 10, 2014, at 1:07 PM, "caruser25@... [disklavier]" <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Hey Jon,

Aside for an upgrade to DKC850 I would advise to buy a small 3.5 diskette cleaning kit. On my DKV I also use diskettes and every now and then my floppys start failing and by running a cleaning diskette I am good for another 6 months or so. As diskettes itself these days cleaning kits are not easy to find but still around.

Greetings.


Re: [disklavier] Disklavier problem - upgrade or fix?

2014-07-18 by George Frederick Litterst

Good morning, everyone.

John, here are some answers:

(1) Your 45 floppy disks
If you get a compatible USB floppy drive, you can plug it into one of the two USB ports of the DKC-850 and copy the disks to the internal memory of the DKC-850. Alternatively, you can hypothetically can copy the contents of the floppies to your computer’s hard drive and then put them on a USB flash drive for either copying to the internal memory of the DKC-850 or for playing from the flash drive. This website has useful links to tools that you might need:


(2) Your old control unit
Prior to replacing your old control unit with the DKC-850, you should use your old control unit to make sure that the upgradable circuit boards are up to date. You can download an updater here:


The update is done through the floppy drive.

Following that, you are done with the old control unit—unless your Disklavier is a PRO in which case you might want to keep it should you ever want to record or play back data at the higher PRO resolution.

(3) Instructions and installation
The DKC-850 comes with extraordinarily easy-to-follow instructions and diagrams. You definitely do not need a technician to update your instrument with a DKC-850. I recommend, however, that you have your Disklavier tech regulate and calibrate your instrument once a year.

(4) DKC-850 song files
Here is a list of the song files that come with the DKC-850 in North America:


The list indicates that some of the song files use MIDI backing tracks and others are piano solo.

Regards,
PianoBench




On Jul 2, 2014, at 2:21 PM, 'John Rank' jtr822@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


I have about 45 Yamaha diskettes for my Mark IIXG grand piano and want to make sure that when I get the DKC-850 that I will still be able to use them. I was told by one of the local dealers that I need to keep my old control device to use them all –something to do with copyright issues(?). that seems crazy since I paid for them all and they would be for my personal use. I have not read anything that says how to transfer the contents of the disks to the DKC-850., Are there instructions with the unit that tell how to do this? or is there indeed an issue? I would prefer not to have two units attached to the piano; it always sounds easy for anyone to “cleanly upgrade the instrument yourself,” but I have my doubts! Is it possible to just pay someone from the local dealer to come out, install the upgrade and do whatever is necessary to transfer the disks to the harddrive of the 850? (if my phrasing of the question is even close to correct).
Thanks,
John
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Sent: Wednesday, July 02, 2014 9:10 AM
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Disklavier problem - upgrade or fix?

Good morning, everyone.

I'll do my best to demystify the upgrade situation for Mark II Disklaviers. I should qualify what I am about to say by pointing out that I don't work for Yamaha Piano Service. In general, I recommend consulting one's local dealer about available upgrades and then proceed to contact Yamaha Piano Service if the information from the dealer is incomplete.
You might want to start by taking a look at a history of the Disklavier that is recounted on the Disklavier Education Network website:
You'll note from the article that the Mark II series was introduced in 1990. The Mark IIXG series was introduced in 1992. The article discusses the improvements offered by the Mark IIXG series.
During the 1990s, Yamaha offered an upgrade kit for Mark II pianos. I believe that the exact components of the kit were slightly different for each particular model. In general, these kits included a replacement control unit, any necessary cabling, and replacement circuit boards as needed.
In the case of the upright Mark IIs, there was a replacement component for the upper portion of the instrument case. Mark II uprights had a control unit that was built into the upper portion of the instrument's case. The Mark IIXG control unit, however, was not designed to fit into that cavity but was designed to sit on top of the instrument or be mounted under the keys. To take care of the empty cavity problem, upgrade kits for upright Mark IIs included a replacement bezel (for lack of a better term) that ran the width of the piano.
The Mark II—>Mark IIXG upgrade kits substantially improved the user experience with these instruments. It is worth noting that the upgrade kits did not replace the components of the record and playback system. Having said that, one can generally think of an upgraded Mark II as the functional equivalent of a Mark IIXG.
In general, if you want to upgrade an older Disklavier so that it has most of the modern amenities of an E3, you should get a DKC-850. If you have a Mark IIXG (or Mark II that has been upgraded to a Mark IIXG), you can cleanly upgrade the instrument yourself. The DKC-850 kit comes with all of the necessary cables and remarkably clear instructions. Anyone can do it.
If you have a Mark II and want a clean upgrade to a DKC-850 in which you completely rid yourself of the Mark II control unit, you have to pass through the Mark II—>Mark IIXG upgrade phase. However, this does not mean that you actually have to purchase a complete Mark II—>Mark IIXG upgrade kit. In fact, those kits don't exist any more. What you need are any of the necessary updated circuit boards, some of which--I believe--are still available. This is the point at which a call to Yamaha Piano Service is probably in order.
It is certainly true that older model Disklaviers are quite functional by virtue of their MIDI ports. This means that you can record to external devices and playback from external devices. Other modern features require a modern control unit.
I'll point out that you can add a DKC-850 to a Mark II piano by simply connecting it with MIDI cables. The DKC-850 comes with cables and instructions for that purpose. You do end up, however, with two control units. However, as long as the old unit is turned on, you can ignore the old unit and just focus your activities on the new DKC-850. In fact, you can even mount the old control unit somewhere on the piano that is out of sight, if you wish. The primary limitation of this arrangement is that you will not have access to DisklavierTV or DisklavierRadio. And, your only way to establish a connection with an external MIDI device will be via the USB device port that is available on the DKC-850.
Regards,
PianoBench
On Jun 30, 2014, at 12:06 PM, 'Jon Arnold' jonarnold@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Ok, now I am totally confused based on George’s very thorough answer and this answer.

Basically I want the disklavier to work again, but instead of simply replacing the floppy drive (which is probably the most economical solution), I was looking at what possible and cost effective upgrades could be done.

I’m not in a position to upgrade to the cosmic top-of-the-line $1700 unit recommended by my Yamaha dealer (where a disklavier specialist needs come from Orlando – 70 miles), despite the fact that it allegedly comes with $1200 worth of music inside it.

I am a piano player and enjoy the disklavier immensely (when it works) but I am not comfortable going with an unsupported or non-recommended solution, nor unfortunately a solution where I need to tape this and solder that where it SHOULD work. While I could probably get it to work by doing that, I do not have the time to put into that.

Is a unit with a CD better? I don’t know. Is it cost effective? Is that too much of a quantum leap from what I have now (that does not work)? Is it easier and more cost effective to do something where I can plug a USB thumb drive into a po rt and play the music from there, assuming that I can FIND the music, assuming I can FIND the music at a reasonable price AND format the USB thumb drive properly?

From: disklavier@yahoogroups.com [mailto:disklavier@...m]
Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 11:29 PM
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Disklavier problem - upgrade or fix?

I upgraded a Grand Mark II to a Mark II XG and so far have not needed the extra circuit boards to make the upgrade from a DKC100R to a DKC500RXG.

All I needed was a single cable adaptor to convert from 9 pin to 15 pin (or x pins to y pins.)

It works perfectly and I have seen no issues despite NOT installing the two circuit boards Yamaha says you need.

I still do not know why the circuit boards are supposedly 'needed'?

< p class="MsoNormal">Dan

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Sent: Saturday, June 2 8, 2014 7:33 AM

Subject: RE: [disklavier] Disklavier problem - upgrade or fix?

Thanks for the great response. Do you have any idea where to purchase one of those and/or how much it costs? Any recommendations for service in the Melbourne Florida (Satellite Beach) area?

From: mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com [mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2014 9:28 AM
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Disklavier problem - upgrade or fix?

Good morning, everyone.

Jon, your model Disklavier is a Mark II and was made between 1992 and 1997. It supports double-density floppy disks but not high density floppy disks. It records in E-SEQ format and does not recording in the industry-standard SMF format although it will play back SMF files if they are Type 0.

If you can get the necessary circuit boards from Yamaha, you can cleanly replace your control unit with a DKC-850. The DKC-850 will provide you with innumerable benefits. You can check it out here:

If the replacement circuit boards are not available, you can upgrade to the DKC-850 in a piggyback manner in which the new control unit connects to the old control unit with MIDI cables. Functionally, the main difference between using the DKC-850 as a replacement control unit vs. an add-on control unit is that the add-on scenario does not support DisklavierRadio and DisklavierTV.

Regards,

PianoBench

On Jun 28, 2014, at 8:25 AM, 'Jon Arnold' jonarnold@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:




I bought a beautiful Yamaha 5’2” grand, love it. It came with a Yahaha Disklavier DKC100R unit (the one that uses the floppy disks), and the original owner had it wired up underneath with an amplifier, speakers, really nice. The original owner also gave me a few dozen floppies of various genres which I have enjoyed immensely.

About 6 months ago the unit was generating an error every time I would put a different disk in. I took a handful of the disks that it failed with, down to the local dealer, where each of them played just fine. So the tech came out and made some adjustments to the unit, then they worked fine.

Now 6 months later, the same thing is happening, and its not from overuse because the number of times I’ve used the unit since the te ch was here 6 months ago can be counted on one hand.

Perhaps it needs an upgrade? What would you suggest? A new disk drive? Upgrade to CD? (Yikes, $1700!) Or am I further ahead to get something where I could put a thumb drive into a USB port and have it play music from there? If the latter, does the thumb drive need to be formatted in a special way so that the unit can read it?

Thanks!



Re: [disklavier] Disklavier problem - upgrade or fix?

2014-07-18 by George Frederick Litterst

Hi, again.

Jon,

Here is the song list for the DKC-850, which includes solo piano performances as well as song files with MIDI backing tracks:


For the purpose of playing song files with GM, GS, or XG accompaniment tracks, your MU50 will no longer be needed if you use a DKC-850. As mentioned in an earlier thread in this forum, the MU50 does have a performance mode that enables you to create your own splits and layers so that you can add other sounds when you play the piano yourself. Unless you like to do that, you won’t need the MU50. The MU50 will fetch a nice price on eBay.

There is no need to pay any one to install the DKC-850. It comes with easy-to-follow instructions and all of the cables. I recommend that you have a Disklavier tech regulate and calibrate your instrument once a year.

NOTE: Since you have a DKC100R control unit, you have a Mark II. A simple, do-it-yourself installation will result in a piano with two control units. The DKC-850 will piggyback on the DKC100R, connecting with MIDI cables. The DKC-850 kit comes with all of the cables. If your piano is a grand, you can figure out a way to mount the DKC100R out of sight.

In this arrangement, you will not have access to DisklavierRadio or DisklavierTV. To get those features, you would need to do a circuit board update to the equivalent of a Mark IIXG at which point you would be able to completely replace your DKC100R. To find out whether the parts are available to do that, you can call Yamaha Piano Service: (800) 854-1569

Regards,
PianoBench


On Jul 10, 2014, at 1:57 PM, 'Jon Arnold' jonarnold@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


Thanks, appreciate that. I might try Radio Shack for a floppy disk head cleaning kit, they seem to stock older stuff like that.

Where can I get info about either a replacement drive for my DKC100R, or more info on the DKC850? Although there has been a ton of info shared here, which is appreciated, I think I am more confused now than when I first asked the question! On the 850, as far as the”$1200 worth of songs that come with it” per my local Yamaha dealer, are those piano only, or piano and MIDI stuff also, since I currently have the connection from my 100R to my MU50 MIDI box? Does the 850 take the place of that MU50 in its entirety or is the MYU50 still needed if I want to hear MIDI stuff if I upgrade to the 850?

Is there a discount place to get the 850 if I want to go that route? My local Yamaha dealer quoted me around $1750 for it, but then there is installation on top of that yet, and he no longer has a Yamaha tech, where the nearest place to get one would be Orlando, and there would likely be an upcharge for a 70 mile drive one way to a customer site?

From: disklavier@yahoogroups.com [mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 1:08 PM
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [disklavier] Re: Disklavier problem - upgrade or fix?

Hey Jon,

Aside for an upgrade to DKC850 I would advise to buy a small 3.5 diskette cleaning kit. On my DKV I also use diskettes and every now and then my floppys start failing and by running a cleaning diskette I am good for another 6 months or so. As diskettes itself these days cleaning kits are not easy to find but still around. ;

Greetings.



RE: [disklavier] Disklavier problem - upgrade or fix?

2014-07-18 by Jon Arnold

Thanks PianoBench,

 

Appreciate the info.  Yes the piano is a grand, a beautiful instrument.
While I enjoy being able to play along with drums/bass/etc on a different
track, I suppose I could give that up as a single detriment to all the
pluses that would be gained.  Is the 850 available like on ebay or anything,
or is it just the pain of local dealer list price?  Also the list of songs
did not appear in your post?

 

Jon
Show quoted textHide quoted text
From: disklavier@yahoogroups.com [mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com] 
Sent: Friday, July 18, 2014 11:54 AM
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Disklavier problem - upgrade or fix?

 

  

Hi, again.

 

Jon,

 

Here is the song list for the DKC-850, which includes solo piano
performances as well as song files with MIDI backing tracks:

 

Disklavier Control Unit DKC-850 PianoSoft CD Song List (North America)

 

For the purpose of playing song files with GM, GS, or XG accompaniment
tracks, your MU50 will no longer be needed if you use a DKC-850. As
mentioned in an earlier thread in this forum, the MU50 does have a
performance mode that enables you to create your own splits and layers so
that you can add other sounds when you play the piano yourself. Unless you
like to do that, you won't need the MU50. The MU50 will fetch a nice price
on eBay.

 

There is no need to pay any one to install the DKC-850. It comes with
easy-to-follow instructions and all of the cables. I recommend that you have
a Disklavier tech regulate and calibrate your instrument once a year.

 

NOTE: Since you have a DKC100R control unit, you have a Mark II. A simple,
do-it-yourself installation will result in a piano with two control units.
The DKC-850 will piggyback on the DKC100R, connecting with MIDI cables. The
DKC-850 kit comes with all of the cables. If your piano is a grand, you can
figure out a way to mount the DKC100R out of sight.

 

In this arrangement, you will not have access to DisklavierRadio or
DisklavierTV. To get those features, you would need to do a circuit board
update to the equivalent of a Mark IIXG at which point you would be able to
completely replace your DKC100R. To find out whether the parts are available
to do that, you can call Yamaha Piano Service: (800) 854-1569

 

Regards,

PianoBench

 

 

On Jul 10, 2014, at 1:57 PM, 'Jon Arnold' jonarnold@...
[disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:





 

Thanks, appreciate that. I might try Radio Shack for a floppy disk head
cleaning kit, they seem to stock older stuff like that.

 

Where can I get info about either a replacement drive for my DKC100R, or
more info on the DKC850? Although there has been a ton of info shared here,
which is appreciated, I think I am more confused now than when I first asked
the question!  On the 850, as far as the"$1200 worth of songs that come with
it" per my local Yamaha dealer, are those piano only, or piano and MIDI
stuff also, since I currently have the connection from my 100R to my MU50
MIDI box? Does the 850 take the place of that MU50 in its entirety or is the
MYU50 still needed if I want to hear MIDI stuff if I upgrade to the 850?

 

Is there a discount place to get the 850 if I want to go that route?  My
local Yamaha dealer quoted me around $1750 for it, but then there is
installation on top of that yet, and he no longer has a Yamaha tech, where
the nearest place to get one would be Orlando, and there would likely be an
upcharge for a 70 mile drive one way to a customer site?

 

 

From:  <mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com> disklavier@yahoogroups.com [
<mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com> mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com] 
Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 1:08 PM
To:  <mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com> disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [disklavier] Re: Disklavier problem - upgrade or fix?

 

 

Hey Jon, 

Aside for an upgrade to DKC850 I would advise to buy a small 3.5 diskette
cleaning kit.  On my DKV I also use diskettes and every now and then my
floppys start failing and by running a cleaning diskette I am good for
another 6 months or so.  As diskettes itself these days cleaning kits are
not easy to find but still around. 

Greetings.

Re: [disklavier] Disklavier problem - upgrade or fix?

2014-07-18 by George Frederick Litterst

Hi, again.

Jon, I’m sorry that my link did not stay attached to my text. Go to this page:


and you’ll find a link to the DKC-850 song list.

If you enjoy the performance mode of the MU50, you can continue to use it with a DKC-850. Just connect MIDI Out from the DKC-850 to MIDI In on the MU50 and use the DKC-850 remote control to set the DKC-850 to use MIDI for MIDI Out (as opposed to USB for MIDI Out).

I don’t know of regular sources of the DKC-850 other than a Yamaha dealer.

Regards,
PianoBench


On Jul 18, 2014, at 12:35 PM, 'Jon Arnold' jonarnold@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


Thanks PianoBench,

;

Appreciate the info. Yes the piano is a grand, a beautiful instrument. While I enjoy being able to play along with drums/bass/etc on a different track, I suppose I could give that up as a single detriment to all the pluses that would be gained. Is the 850 available like on ebay or anything, or is it just the pain of local dealer list price? Also the list of songs did not appear in your post?

Jon

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From: disklavier@yahoogroups.com [mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Friday, July 18, 2014 11:54 AM
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Disklavier problem - upgrade or fix?

Hi, again.

Jon,

Here is the song list for the DKC-850, which includes solo piano performances as well as song files with MIDI backing tracks:

Disklavier Control Unit DKC-850 PianoSoft CD Song List (North America)

For the purpose of playing song files with GM, GS, or XG accompaniment tracks, your MU50 will no longer be needed if you use a DKC-850. As mentioned in an earlier thread in this forum, the MU50 does have a performance mode that enables you to create your own splits and layers so that you can add other sounds when you play the piano yourself. Unless you like to do that, you won’t need the MU50. The MU50 will fetch a nice price on eBay.

There is no need to pay any one to install the DKC-850. It comes with easy-to-follow instructions and all of the cables. I recommend that you have a Disklavier tech regulate and calibrate your instru ment once a year.

NOTE: Since you have a DKC100R control unit, you have a Mark II. A simple, do-it-yourself installation will result in a piano with two control units. The DKC-850 will piggyback on the DKC100R, connecting with MIDI cables. The DKC-850 kit comes with all of the cables. If your piano is a grand, you can figure out a way to mount the DKC100R out of sight.

In this arrangement, you will not have access to DisklavierRadio or DisklavierTV. To get those features, you would need to do a circuit board update to the equivalent of a Mark IIXG at which point you would be able to completely replace your DKC100R. To find out whether the parts are available to do that, you can call Yamaha Piano Service: (800) 854-1569

Regards,

PianoBench

On Jul 10, 2014, at 1:57 PM, 'Jon Arnold' jonarnold@earthlink.net [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:



Thanks, appreciate that. I might try Radio Shack for a floppy disk head cleaning kit, they seem to stock older stuff like that.

Where can I get info about either a replacement drive for my DKC100R, or more info on the DKC850? Although there has been a ton of info shared here, which is appreciated, I think I am more confused now than when I first asked the question! On the 850, as far as the”$1200 worth of songs that come with it” per my local Yamaha dealer, are those piano only, or piano and MIDI stuff also, since I currently have the connection from my 100R to my MU50 MIDI box? Does the 850 take the place of that MU50 in its entirety or is the MYU50 still needed if I want to hear MIDI stuff if I upgrade to the 850?

Is there a discount place to get the 850 if I want to go that route? My local Yamaha dealer quoted me around $1750 for it, but then there is installation on top of that yet, and he no longer has a Yamaha tech, where the nearest place to get one would be Orlando, and there would likely be an upcharge for a 70 mile drive one way to a customer site?

From: disklavier@yahoogroups.com [mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 1:08 PM
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [disklavier] Re: Disklavier problem - upgrade or fix?

Hey Jon,

Aside for an upgrade to DKC850 I would advise to buy a small 3.5 diskette cleaning kit. On my DKV I also use diskettes and every now and then my floppys start failing and by running a cleaning diskette I am good for another 6 months or so. As diskettes itself these days cleaning kits are not easy to find but still around.

Greetings.



Re: [disklavier] Disklavier problem - upgrade or fix?

2014-07-18 by Skanter123

Jon, i would recommend looking into PG Music's  Band in a Box, an incredible program for auto-accompaniment. I've been using it for playing and teaching for. Any years.

Sam 
www.keyboardcollective.com
(212) 684-3304
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> On Jul 18, 2014, at 12:35 PM, "'Jon Arnold' jonarnold@... [disklavier]" <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> 
> Thanks PianoBench,
> 
>  
> 
> Appreciate the info.  Yes the piano is a grand, a beautiful instrument. P the 850 available like on ebay or anything, or is it just the pain of local dealer list price?  Also the list of songs did not appear in your post?
> 
>  
> 
> Jon
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> From: disklavier@yahoogroups.com [mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com] 
> Sent: Friday, July 18, 2014 11:54 AM
> To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [disklavier] Disklavier problem - upgrade or fix?
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> Hi, again.
> 
>  
> 
> Jon,
> 
>  
> 
> Here is the song list for the DKC-850, which includes solo piano performances as well as song files with MIDI backing tracks:
> 
>  
> 
> Disklavier Control Unit DKC-850 PianoSoft CD Song List (North America)
> 
>  
> 
> For the purpose of playing song files with GM, GS, or XG accompaniment tracks, your MU50 will no longer be needed if you use a DKC-850. As mentioned in an earlier thread in this forum, the MU50 does have a performance mode that enables you to create your own splits and layers so that you can add other sounds when you play the piano yourself. Unless you like to do that, you won’t need the MU50. The MU50 will fetch a nice price on eBay.
> 
>  
> 
> There is no need to pay any one to install the DKC-850. It comes with easy-to-follow instructions and all of the cables. I recommend that you have a Disklavier tech regulate and calibrate your instrument once a year.
> 
>  
> 
> NOTE: Since you have a DKC100R control unit, you have a Mark II. A simple, do-it-yourself installation will result in a piano with two control units. The DKC-850 will piggyback on the DKC100R, connecting with MIDI cables. The DKC-850 kit comes with all of the cables. If your piano is a grand, you can figure out a way to mount the DKC100R out of sight.
> 
>  
> 
> In this arrangement, you will not have access to DisklavierRadio or DisklavierTV. To get those features, you would need to do a circuit board update to the equivalent of a Mark IIXG at which point you would be able to completely replace your DKC100R. To find out whether the parts are available to do that, you can call Yamaha Piano Service: (800) 854-1569
> 
>  
> 
> Regards,
> 
> PianoBench
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> On Jul 10, 2014, at 1:57 PM, 'Jon Arnold' jonarnold@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks, appreciate that. I might try Radio Shack for a floppy disk head cleaning kit, they seem to stock older stuff like that.
> 
>  
> 
> Where can I get info about either a replacement drive for my DKC100R, or more info on the DKC850? Although there has been a ton of info shared here, which is appreciated, I think I am more confused now than when I first asked the question!  On the 850, as far as the”$1200 worth of songs that come with it” per my local Yamaha dealer, are those piano only, or piano and MIDI stuff also, since I currently have the connection from my 100R to my MU50 MIDI box? Does the 850 take the place of that MU50 in its entirety or is the MYU50 still needed if I want to hear MIDI stuff if I upgrade to the 850?
> 
>  
> 
> Is there a discount place to get the 850 if I want to go that route?  My local Yamaha dealer quoted me around $1750 for it, but then there is installation on top of that yet, and he no longer has a Yamaha tech, where the nearest place to get one would be Orlando, and there would likely be an upcharge for a 70 mile drive one way to a customer site?
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> From: disklavier@yahoogroups.com [mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com] 
> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 1:08 PM
> To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [disklavier] Re: Disklavier problem - upgrade or fix?
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> Hey Jon, 
> 
> Aside for an upgrade to DKC850 I would advise to buy a small 3.5 diskette cleaning kit.  On my DKV I also use diskettes and every now and then my floppys start failing and by running a cleaning diskette I am good for another 6 months or so.  As diskettes itself these days cleaning kits are not easy to find but still around. 
> 
> Greetings.
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>  
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>  
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