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Conversion to Solid State drive

2015-02-08 by Geoff Ward

Hi Bill

 

Just thought I would let you and the group know how I got on with my Mark IV conversion to SSD.

 

I initially purchased from China a 2-way PATA to SATA adapter which connected by cables and was a bit of a mess.  Anyway, It didn’t work.  I then purchased from China a different type of one-way adapter which is a small circuit board that plugs directly into the rear of the SATA SSD drive.  This one worked – I bought 2 of them as they were less than $7 each.

 

I cloned the original drive using my PC to connect both drives to and the cloning software was g4L  - available as a free download from: http://sourceforge.net/projects/g4l/files/g4l%20ISO%20images/

 

I used a Samsung 2.5” 120 GB SSD and, with the adapter installed, the Yamaha parallel cable and power cable simply plugged into the adapter.  I used a 3.5” to 2.5” mounting adapter to mount the SSD into the aluminium cage which is mounted to the lid of the Yamaha computer box.  I had to modify the aluminium cage with a hacksaw to give clearance for the SATA adapter.

 

Results:   The SSD makes very little difference to the boot-up and shut-down times.  Boot-up becomes about 2m 25s instead of 2m 40s and this is disappointing.  However, it was great to eliminate the incessant HDD hum that was previously evident whenever the DKV was on.  It is now totally silent and worth the effort – plus I have a backup drive should one fail.

 

Kind regards

 

Geoff Ward
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From: disklavier@yahoogroups.com [mailto:disklavier@...m] 
Sent: Sunday, 7 December 2014 4:30 PM
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Urgent matter

 

  

Hi Geoff,

 

For the last 2 SSDs, I have used option 2 with no problems. I use a PATA to SATA Interface Adapter to make the connections.

 

I am making 2 - Samsung 850 PRO 128GB SSDs into Mark IV drives this weekend, doing it as I have before.

 

Bill

 

On Sat, Dec 6, 2014 at 9:19 PM, 'Geoff Ward' gward1211@... <mailto:gward1211@...>  [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com <mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com> > wrote:

  

Thanks Bill

 

The most common solid state drives are 2.5inch SATA.  I was surprised to find that my Mark IV has an old technology parallel (PATA) 3.5” drive.  It’s easy to use a 3.5” to 2.5” converter bracket for mounting.  But, which type of drive?

 

Option 1 – find a 128GB PATA solid state drive – slow max of 133MB/s and not common.  They also might not be available for much longer; or

Option 2 – buy a faster (500MB/s) 128GB SATA SS drive and pair it up with an IDE to SATA converter board – not sure about the performance of such a board, but they are available.  The speed is probably limited by the Mark IV interface to something less than 133MB/s in any event.

 

Could you or any other reader who has done this please tell me which approach you believe is best.  I would prefer option 2 if it is viable.

 

Kind regards

 

Geoff Ward

 

 

 

 

From: disklavier@yahoogroups.com <mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com>  [mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com <mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com> ] 
Sent: Thursday, 27 November 2014 2:33 PM


To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com <mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com> 
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Urgent matter

 

  

Geoff,

 

Its worth it. Everything runs faster and the IO Center is nice and quiet.

Bill

 

 iPhone


On Nov 26, 2014, at 6:31 PM, 'Geoff Ward' gward1211@... <mailto:gward1211@...>  [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com <mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com> > wrote:

  

Thanks Bill.  Probably worth it to go with SSD.

 

Kind regards

 

Geoff

 

 

From: disklavier@yahoogroups.com <mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com>  [mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com] 
Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2014 7:48 AM
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com <mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com> 
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Urgent matter

 

  

My Mark IV with a SSD drive boots in 1 minute 40 seconds.

Bill

 

 iPhone


On Nov 26, 2014, at 12:25 PM, 'Geoff Ward' gward1211@... <mailto:gward1211@bigpond.com>  [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com <mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com> > wrote:

  

In view of the drama that a failed hard disk drive causes, I think I will clone my Mark IV hard disk using Norton Ghost on my PC (I also have Linux Ghost which works with Windows 7).  Can anyone say whether a solid state drive will improve the boot-up time – currently about 2.5 minutes.

 

Kind regards

 

Geoff

 

 

From: disklavier@yahoogroups.com <mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com>  [mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com] 
Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2014 7:19 AM
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com <mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com> 
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Urgent matter

 

  

The operating system, along with the factory installed music software need to be put on the hard drive. A hard drive on one Mark IV can be switched with another Mark IV hard drive - nothing unique to the specific piano.

 

Easiest way (without a hard driver cloner) is to use Mark IV Rescue discs (3) and install them to the blank hard drive, with it in the piano. An older firmware version (v3.0) is installed. From there, you can update to the current firmware using Network Update.

 

To do the rescue requires pushing a couple of buttons, in sequence on the  IO Center.

 

The Rescue Discs are created using 3 ISO files. 

 

I have the files and installation instructions, if anyone needs them. Send me a private email and I will give you links to these files.

Bill

 

 iPhone


On Nov 26, 2014, at 10:22 AM, Mark Fontana mark@... <mailto:mark@...t>  [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com <mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com> > wrote:

  


Is it possible for an enterprising member of this list to sell ready-to-install SSDs for Mark IV instruments?  Or do the drives include information specific to each individual piano that is added by Yamaha during manufacturing, i.e. information that must be cloned from the original drive or configured by Yamaha in a replacement drive?


On 11/26/2014 11:56 AM, George Frederick Litterst PianoBench@... <mailto:PianoBench@aol.com>  [disklavier] wrote:

  

Good afternoon, everyone.

 

Julien, if it turns out that the hard drive needs to be replaced, I recommend that you replace it with an SSD drive and enjoy improved performance. I have never replaced the SSD in a Mark IV, but there are individuals on this list who have.

 

Regards,

PianoBench

 

On Nov 26, 2014, at 11:03 AM, Julien Roche julien.roche@... <mailto:julien.roche@...>  [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com <mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com> > wrote:

 

 

Thanks. I will do that right now.

I am in Albania (europe), can you give me details where to send the hard disk for repair or replacement  ?

Thanks again

Julien

 

On Wednesday, November 26, 2014 3:55 PM, "Bill Brandom billbrando@... <mailto:billbrando@...>  [disklavier]" <disklavier@yahoogroups.com <mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com> > wrote:

 

  

Try unplugging it from the outlet and let the piano sit for about an hour. Then power it back up.

 

If you experience the same problem, your hard drive has probably gone bad and will need to be replaced.

 

Bill

 

 iPhone


On Nov 26, 2014, at 2:38 AM, Julien Roche julien.roche@... <mailto:julien.roche@...>  [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com <mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com> > wrote:

  

I was out from home for one week then when I come back and connect my Disklavier Mark 4, the ON/OFF button still flashes after more than one hour and also the USER green button is ON (but not flashing)

 

Impossible to connect with remote ...

 

Somebody can tell me what to do to restart my piano in working conditions ? 

 

thanks a lot, first time in 4 years using this piano .

..

Re: [disklavier] Conversion to Solid State drive

2015-02-09 by Bill Brandom

Hi Geoff,

It is great to hear that you got an SSD working in your piano!

It is nice having a quiet I/O center.

Thanks for letting me know!!

Bill

 iPhone

On Feb 8, 2015, at 2:32 PM, 'Geoff Ward' gward1211@bigpond.com [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Hi Bill

 

Just thought I would let you and the group know how I got on with my Mark IV conversion to SSD.

 

I initially purchased from China a 2-way PATA to SATA adapter which connected by cables and was a bit of a mess.  Anyway, It didn’t work.  I then purchased from China a different type of one-way adapter which is a small circuit board that plugs directly into the rear of the SATA SSD drive.  This one worked – I bought 2 of them as they were less than $7 each.

 

I cloned the original drive using my PC to connect both drives to and the cloning software was g4L  - available as a free download from: http://sourceforge.net/projects/g4l/files/g4l%20ISO%20images/

 

I used a Samsung 2.5” 120 GB SSD and, with the adapter installed, the Yamaha parallel cable and power cable simply plugged into the adapter.  I used a 3.5” to 2.5” mounting adapter to mount the SSD into the aluminium cage which is mounted to the lid of the Yamaha computer box.  I had to modify the aluminium cage with a hacksaw to give clearance for the SATA adapter.

 

Results:   The SSD makes very little difference to the boot-up and shut-down times.  Boot-up becomes about 2m 25s instead of 2m 40s and this is disappointing.  However, it was great to eliminate the incessant HDD hum that was previously evident whenever the DKV was on.  It is now totally silent and worth the effort – plus I have a backup drive should one fail.

 

Kind regards

 

Geoff Ward
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From: disklavier@yahoogroups.com [mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com] 
Sent: Sunday, 7 December 2014 4:30 PM
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Urgent matter

 

 

Hi Geoff,

 

For the last 2 SSDs, I have used option 2 with no problems. I use a PATA to SATA Interface Adapter to make the connections.

 

I am making 2 - Samsung 850 PRO 128GB SSDs into Mark IV drives this weekend, doing it as I have before.

 

Bill

 

On Sat, Dec 6, 2014 at 9:19 PM, 'Geoff Ward' gward1211@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Thanks Bill

 

The most common solid state drives are 2.5inch SATA.  I was surprised to find that my Mark IV has an old technology parallel (PATA) 3.5” drive.  It’s easy to use a 3.5” to 2.5” converter bracket for mounting.  But, which type of drive?

 

Option 1 – find a 128GB PATA solid state drive – slow max of 133MB/s and not common.  They also might not be available for much longer; or

Option 2 – buy a faster (500MB/s) 128GB SATA SS drive and pair it up with an IDE to SATA converter board – not sure about the performance of such a board, but they are available.  The speed is probably limited by the Mark IV interface to something less than 133MB/s in any event.

 

Could you or any other reader who has done this please tell me which approach you believe is best.  I would prefer option 2 if it is viable.

 

Kind regards

 

Geoff Ward

 

 

 

 

From: disklavier@yahoogroups.com [mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com] 
Sent: Thursday, 27 November 2014 2:33 PM


To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Urgent matter

 

 

Geoff,

 

Its worth it. Everything runs faster and the IO Center is nice and quiet.

Bill

 

 iPhone


On Nov 26, 2014, at 6:31 PM, 'Geoff Ward' gward1211@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Thanks Bill.  Probably worth it to go with SSD.

 

Kind regards

 

Geoff

 

 

From: disklavier@yahoogroups.com [mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com] 
Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2014 7:48 AM
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Urgent matter

 

 

My Mark IV with a SSD drive boots in 1 minute 40 seconds.

Bill

 

 iPhone


On Nov 26, 2014, at 12:25 PM, 'Geoff Ward' gward1211@bigpond.com [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

In view of the drama that a failed hard disk drive causes, I think I will clone my Mark IV hard disk using Norton Ghost on my PC (I also have Linux Ghost which works with Windows 7).  Can anyone say whether a solid state drive will improve the boot-up time – currently about 2.5 minutes.

 

Kind regards

 

Geoff

 

 

From: disklavier@yahoogroups.com [mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com] 
Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2014 7:19 AM
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Urgent matter

 

 

The operating system, along with the factory installed music software need to be put on the hard drive. A hard drive on one Mark IV can be switched with another Mark IV hard drive - nothing unique to the specific piano.

 

Easiest way (without a hard driver cloner) is to use Mark IV Rescue discs (3) and install them to the blank hard drive, with it in the piano. An older firmware version (v3.0) is installed. From there, you can update to the current firmware using Network Update.

 

To do the rescue requires pushing a couple of buttons, in sequence on the  IO Center.

 

The Rescue Discs are created using 3 ISO files. 

 

I have the files and installation instructions, if anyone needs them. Send me a private email and I will give you links to these files.

Bill

 

 iPhone


On Nov 26, 2014, at 10:22 AM, Mark Fontana mark@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 


Is it possible for an enterprising member of this list to sell ready-to-install SSDs for Mark IV instruments?  Or do the drives include information specific to each individual piano that is added by Yamaha during manufacturing, i.e. information that must be cloned from the original drive or configured by Yamaha in a replacement drive?


On 11/26/2014 11:56 AM, George Frederick Litterst PianoBench@... [disklavier] wrote:

 

Good afternoon, everyone.

 

Julien, if it turns out that the hard drive needs to be replaced, I recommend that you replace it with an SSD drive and enjoy improved performance. I have never replaced the SSD in a Mark IV, but there are individuals on this list who have.

 

Regards,

PianoBench

 

On Nov 26, 2014, at 11:03 AM, Julien Roche julien.roche@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

Thanks. I will do that right now.

I am in Albania (europe), can you give me details where to send the hard disk for repair or replacement  ?

Thanks again

Julien

 

On Wednesday, November 26, 2014 3:55 PM, "Bill Brandom billbrando@... [disklavier]" <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

 

Try unplugging it from the outlet and let the piano sit for about an hour. Then power it back up.

 

If you experience the same problem, your hard drive has probably gone bad and will need to be replaced.

 

Bill

 

 iPhone


On Nov 26, 2014, at 2:38 AM, Julien Roche julien.roche@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

I was out from home for one week then when I come back and connect my Disklavier Mark 4, the ON/OFF button still flashes after more than one hour and also the USER green button is ON (but not flashing)

 

Impossible to connect with remote ...

 

Somebody can tell me what to do to restart my piano in working conditions ? 

 

thanks a lot, first time in 4 years using this piano .

..

Re: [disklavier] Conversion to Solid State drive

2015-12-03 by mark.burby@...

Resurrecting this thread as I have been considering replacing my original MKIV HDD with a SSD and have a question that perhaps may be better suited to a technical forum but just case...

The main issue I've seen with replacing the drive as documented by various posts is that the SATA to PATA adapter makes the fitting of the new drive a little awkward. There has been reference to only being able to use 2 of the 4 mount screws, another reference that sawed the metal cage to make space. None of these are major showstoppers, but I was wondering what the less worrisome alternatives are before heading down the road.

1. Instead of replacing the drive with a 2.5" SATA SSD and use a 2.5 SATA to 3.5 PATA adapter, why not instead use a 2.5" PATA SSD and avoid the adapter altogether?

This is an example of a 2.5" model: http://www.amazon.com/128GB-KingSpec-2-5-inch-SM2236-Controller/dp/B0091T4ZWU (not suggesting this is a reliable brand but just referencing it as an example)

2. Use a 1.8" SATA SSD and use a 1.8" SATA to 3.5" PATA/IDE converter

3. Use a 1.8" PATA/IDE SSD

Example: http://www.amazon.com/KingSpec-128GB-1-8-Inch-Solid-notebook/dp/B00Y7SDZ4O/ref=sr_1_7?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1449158467&sr=1-7&keywords=1.8+PATA+IDE+SSd


These all seem to be cheaper alternatives too (though cost isn't my main driver - I'd rather have a drive that doesn't fail and won't upset the DKV)


Being a non-engineer I'm just going by the terms PATA and SATA and assuming 1 and 3 will fit into whatever socket the MKIV HD is using.


Many thanks,

Mark

Re: [disklavier] Conversion to Solid State drive

2015-12-03 by Kevin Goroway

Being an engineer,  I researched all of these options... Or at least the ones that existed when I did the swap. 

It came down to cost per gig.   Standard sata drives were much more plentiful, and cost effective... Not to mention that they were already proven to work... 

Yesterday I paid $55 for 240 gigs for a spare pc...hard to beat that.

Re: [disklavier] Conversion to Solid State drive

2015-12-05 by ken@...

The smaller PATA drives listed would still require an adapter since the laptop PATA drives are powered via the extra pins on the data cable which the Disklavier uses a separate power cable and standard data cable.

Also, most PATA drives are slower read & write and could be slower than the Disklavier's IDE interface which is the current bottleneck when using a faster SATA3 SSD & proper SATA to PATA adapter. 

Try to find a fast 3.5" SSD drive or an adapter to convert these drives to 3.5" standards.

Best wishes! 

-Ken Ruda

Re: Conversion to Solid State drive

2016-02-02 by danw@...

Bill - Can you send me a link to create these rescue disks that you reference? (or anyone else who has the iso files)? You mentioned to email you privately but I don't see an email address to contact you.

I have a Mark IV and the hard drive is struggling. On occasion I can get it to boot (very rarely), but when it does the PRC-100 controller starts spitting out strange errors. I have a boot floppy (one disc) but I can't seem to get it to boot from this - it keeps spinning the HD which clearly has some serious issues.

So I may as well do a SSD conversion since I need to replace the HD anyway - assuming I can't clone it I think these rescue disks are my only option...

Please send to dweinstein111@gmail.com when you can!



Thanks for any help!!


Dan

Re: Conversion to Solid State drive

2016-02-08 by danw@...

Thank Bill! With the rescue discs and a 9 year old boot floppy, my piano is back online.

For those converting to SSD - i bought these two items on Amazon for about $50 total and it worked like a charm.

-Dan

Amazon.com: HDE SATA to PATA/IDE Hard Drive Interface Adapter: Computers & Accessories


Amazon.com: SanDisk SSD Plus 120GB 2.5-Inch SDSSDA-120G-G25: Computers & Accessories



Re: [disklavier] Re: Conversion to Solid State drive

2016-02-08 by Bill Brandom

Dan, 

I am glad to hear that. Nice work!

Bill
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On Feb 8, 2016, at 11:19 PM, danw@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Thank Bill!    With the rescue discs and a 9 year old boot floppy, my piano is back online.

For those converting to SSD - i bought these two items on Amazon for about $50 total and it worked like a charm. 

-Dan

Amazon.com: HDE SATA to PATA/IDE Hard Drive Interface Adapter: Computers & Accessories
   
Amazon.com: HDE SATA to PATA/IDE Hard Drive Inter...
This adapter is made to allow an older computer system with an IDE/EIDE/PATA interface to add and additional or upgrade the existing HDD ...
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Amazon.com: SanDisk SSD Plus 120GB 2.5-Inch SDSSDA-120G-G25: Computers & Accessories
   
Amazon.com: SanDisk SSD Plus 120GB 2.5-Inch SD...
Step up to SSD speeds and inject new life into your laptop or desktop PC with a durable solid state drive from SanDisk. You'll experience quicker boot up and s...
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