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2017-09-25 by gward1211@...

Hi all, Does anyone know if there is any way that vanBasco can be made to recognise the Yamaha Bluetooth MIDI interface MD-BT01.

Kind regards


Geoff


vanBasco and Bluetooth

2017-09-25 by gward1211@...

Hi all, Does anyone know if there is any way that vanBasco can be made to recognise the Yamaha Bluetooth MIDI interface MD-BT01.

Kind regards


Geoff


Re: [disklavier] vanBasco and Bluetooth

2017-09-25 by Spencer Chase

you might be able to get midiox to connect to the bluetooth thing but i sort of doubt it unless there is a new version of it that i have not seen yet. worth a look?

Best regards, Spencer Chase
67550-Bell Springs Rd.
Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only.
Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only.
21220 92nd Place W., Edmonds, WA 98020
Spencer@...
Spencer@...
Spencer@...
http://www.spencerserolls.com
http://www.poodlex.com
(425) 791-0309
(707) 223-8212

------ Original Message ------
From: "gward1211@... [disklavier]" <disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: 9/24/2017 5:56:48 PM
Subject: [disklavier] vanBasco and Bluetooth

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Hi all, Does anyone know if there is any way that vanBasco can be made to recognise the Yamaha Bluetooth MIDI interface MD-BT01.

Kind regards


Geoff


Re: [disklavier] vanBasco and Bluetooth

2017-09-26 by George F. Litterst

Good evening, everyone.

Geoff, at the very least, the operating system needs to support Bluetooth MIDI. From an early point, the Mac and iOS operating system have support BT MIDI.

On the Mac, you create a BT MIDI connection with your keyboard using Apple’s Audio MIDI Setup app. At that point, all CoreMIDI-compatible Macs can see the connection and use it. In essence, the apps get the connection “for free,” with not further app development.

On the iOS platform, the BT MIDI connection must be made by an app. Once any app makes the connection, all other CoreMIDI-compatible apps (with is most of the MIDI apps) can see and use the connection.

On the Windows side, BT MIDI has not been supported the operation system until Windows 10. Apparently, app developers must revise their apps in order to use it. You can get your research started here:

https://www.midi.org/articles/midi-enhancements-in-windows-10

Regards,
PianoBench
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> On Sep 24, 2017, at 8:56 PM, gward1211@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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> Hi all,  Does anyone know if there is any way that vanBasco can be made to recognise the Yamaha Bluetooth MIDI interface MD-BT01.
> 
> Kind regards
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> 
> Geoff
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Re[2]: [disklavier] vanBasco and Bluetooth

2017-09-26 by Spencer Chase

my question is why do you want/need bluetooth MIDI? the only thing that makes sense would be if your device does not have a USB port such as a smart phone or tablet. if you have USB, what is the big deal using a little cable? bluetooth has limited range especially the low energy (which is basically good for headphones and other close range devices. it suffers from dropout some times severely and is impossible to diagnose when this happens.

i have friends who insist on streaming audio via bluetooth when they visit. the music is intolerable with constant dropouts and low overall quality. of course since MIDI is a simple and not very dense digital stream it is just the dropouts that are a problem, quality is fine when it works.

we have HDMI for audio and video and the quality is superb with no dropouts ever. for the pianos i use audio cables but i have LX pianos and the audio is not of the low quality the DKV uses. i also have midi cables but rarely use them. i also have a wireless MIDI device and never use it, i bought it to see if it works and it does, sort of but ...

why are people so afraid of cables? i work on a CNC router for hours a day and because there is nothing to do but change parts every now and then, i watch movies. the machine is very loud so i use noise cancelling headphones. they have a cable and in this case it is somewhat of an inconvenience. i considered getting bluetooth headphones but decided i did not want to deal with the bluetooth issues and keeping batteries charged and this is an application where it really would be good (i keep tripping on the cable) if it only worked reliably

Best regards, Spencer Chase
67550-Bell Springs Rd.
Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only.
Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only.
21220 92nd Place W., Edmonds, WA 98020
Spencer@spencerserolls.com
Spencer@...
Spencer@...
http://www.spencerserolls.com
http://www.poodlex.com
(425) 791-0309
(707) 223-8212

------ Original Message ------
From: "'George F. Litterst' PianoBench@... [disklavier]" <disklavier@...m>
Sent: 9/25/2017 5:06:12 PM
Subject: Re: [disklavier] vanBasco and Bluetooth

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Good evening, everyone.


Geoff, at the very least, the operating system needs to support Bluetooth MIDI. From an early point, the Mac and iOS operating system have support BT MIDI.

On the Mac, you create a BT MIDI connection with your keyboard using Apple’s Audio MIDI Setup app. At that point, all CoreMIDI-compatible Macs can see the connection and use it. In essence, the apps get the connection “for free,” with not further app development.

On the iOS platform, the BT MIDI connection must be made by an app. Once any app makes the connection, all other CoreMIDI-compatible apps (with is most of the MIDI apps) can see and use the connection.

On the Windows side, BT MIDI has not been supported the operation system until Windows 10. Apparently, app developers must revise their apps in order to use it. You can get your research started here:

https://www.midi.org/articles/midi-enhancements-in-windows-10

Regards,
PianoBench

On Sep 24, 2017, at 8:56 PM, gward1211@bigpond.com [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


Hi all, Does anyone know if there is any way that vanBasco can be made to recognise the Yamaha Bluetooth MIDI interface MD-BT01.

Kind regards


Geoff





RE: Re[2]: [disklavier] vanBasco and Bluetooth

2017-09-26 by Geoff Ward

Spencer

 

“what is the big deal using a little cable?”  Who wants cables if you can avoid them?  I have a Yamaha Bluetooth MIDI adapter MD-BT01 plugged into my DKV and run it using Sweetmidi on an iPad.  It works flawlessly from a distance of 20’ in another room.  But, I still prefer vanBasco on my Windows 10 laptop as I have access to my full music library and midi editing tools.  I also connect the laptop wirelessly to the DKV using an IOGear GUWIP204  <https://www.iogear.com/product/GUWIP204/> Wireless 4-Port USB Sharing Station.  I have a dedicated WIFI network setup with a new Linksys router mounted under the piano.  I recently bought a new router because the old Netgear router seemed to cause a lot of dropouts (or bunch-ups).  The new router works very well but I still get some delays and bunch-ups if I try to do something else on the Laptop, eg just opening File Explorer (the first time) will cause the playing to stop for a few seconds and then send all the missed notes in a bunch.  (Subsequent openings of File Explorer don’t interrupt vanBasco).  It would be good if I could tell Windows to not interrupt vanBasco with other processes.  I also have to change the setup in the DKV to switch the midi input from the Bluetooth input (DIN connectors) to the WIFI input (USB connector).  At George’s suggestion, I looked for hardware to avoid this setup dance, but the problem was that the Yamaha Bluetooth device requires power from the MIDI out port of the piano.  The DKV provides this power but the devices which I could use to combine several Midi inputs do not provide power.

So, I thought it would be good if I could use the Bluetooth input for both midi sources – Sweetmidi and vanBasco.  I am now going to attempt to use Loopmidi and Midiberry, previously suggested by Marc Kenig, to connect vanBasco to the Yamaha Bluetooth device.  Thanks Marc, I had forgotten about your suggestion.

Kind regards

Geoff
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From: disklavier@yahoogroups.com [mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, 26 September 2017 11:16 AM
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re[2]: [disklavier] vanBasco and Bluetooth

 

  

my question is why do you want/need bluetooth MIDI? the only thing that makes sense would be if your device does not have a USB port such as a smart phone or tablet. if you have USB, what is the big deal using a little cable? bluetooth has limited range especially the low energy (which is basically good for headphones and other close range devices. it suffers from dropout some times severely and is impossible to diagnose when this happens. 

 

i have friends who insist on streaming audio via bluetooth when they visit. the music is intolerable with constant dropouts and low overall quality. of course since MIDI is a simple and not very dense digital stream it is just the dropouts that are a problem, quality is fine when it works. 

 

we have HDMI for audio and video and the quality is superb with no dropouts ever. for the pianos i use audio cables but i have LX pianos and the audio is not of the low quality the DKV uses. i also have midi cables but rarely use them. i also have a wireless MIDI device and never use it, i bought it to see if it works and it does, sort of but ...

 

why are people so afraid of cables? i work on a CNC router for hours a day and because there is nothing to do but change parts every now and then, i watch movies. the machine is very loud so i use noise cancelling headphones. they have a cable and in this case it is somewhat of an inconvenience. i considered getting bluetooth headphones but decided i did not want to deal with the bluetooth issues and keeping batteries charged and this is an application where it really would be good (i keep tripping on the cable) if it only worked reliably

 

 

 

Best regards, Spencer Chase
67550-Bell Springs Rd.
Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only.
Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only.
21220 92nd Place W., Edmonds, WA 98020
Spencer@... <mailto:Spencer@...> 
Spencer@... <mailto:Spencer@poodlex.com> 
Spencer@... <mailto:Spencer@...> 
http://www.spencerserolls.com
http://www.poodlex.com
(425) 791-0309
(707) 223-8212

 

------ Original Message ------

From: "'George F. Litterst' PianoBench@... <mailto:PianoBench@...>  [disklavier]" <disklavier@yahoogroups.com <mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com> >

To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com <mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com> 

Sent: 9/25/2017 5:06:12 PM

Subject: Re: [disklavier] vanBasco and Bluetooth

 

  

Good evening, everyone.

 

Geoff, at the very least, the operating system needs to support Bluetooth MIDI. From an early point, the Mac and iOS operating system have support BT MIDI.

 

On the Mac, you create a BT MIDI connection with your keyboard using Apple’s Audio MIDI Setup app. At that point, all CoreMIDI-compatible Macs can see the connection and use it. In essence, the apps get the connection “for free,” with not further app development.

 

On the iOS platform, the BT MIDI connection must be made by an app. Once any app makes the connection, all other CoreMIDI-compatible apps (with is most of the MIDI apps) can see and use the connection.

 

On the Windows side, BT MIDI has not been supported the operation system until Windows 10. Apparently, app developers must revise their apps in order to use it. You can get your research started here:

 

https://www.midi.org/articles/midi-enhancements-in-windows-10

 

Regards,

PianoBench





On Sep 24, 2017, at 8:56 PM, gward1211@... <mailto:gward1211@...>  [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com <mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com> > wrote:

 

 

Hi all,  Does anyone know if there is any way that vanBasco can be made to recognise the Yamaha Bluetooth MIDI interface MD-BT01.

Kind regards

 

Geoff

Re[4]: [disklavier] vanBasco and Bluetooth

2017-09-26 by Spencer Chase

i forget how and don't know if it still applies to win 10 but you used to be able to change the process priority of an application which can help some times. windows still has higher priority processes and if you make too many applications "realtime" it can mess up windows. found the following for win 8 but it might apply to win 10. a lot of trouble but if you are playing a lot and want no "bunchups" it might help?i just went through the steps and it seems that this is still available in win 10. try "realtime" and see if it kills windows. if you have tons of extra processor available it probably won't. i just discovered a lot of weird crap that was bogging down my processor and disc access. it was windows stuff that was running in the background and not being used at all. made a total mess of everything. in my case it was something that i might uses once a month or so but windows decided that the majority of my machine needed to be dedicated to this task.

To change the priority of processes in Windows 8 systems, follow the steps below:

  1. Open the application for which you want to change the processor priority level.
  2. Type “task manager” and click on Task Manager on the Start screen.
  3. Click on More details if the window is not in expanded form.
  4. Navigate to processes tab, right click on the application and click on Go to details.
  5. In the Details tab, right click on the already highlighted name of the application for the process from step 4, click/tap on Set priority, and click/tap on the priority level you want to run this application or process in.
  6. Click/tap on Change Priority to apply.
  7. Repeat steps 4 to 6 above for any other applications or processes you wish to change the priority level of.
  8. Close the Task Manager window.

Note: You will not be able to set the processor priority level of Windows 8 Store apps. Changes made are also not permanent as the system will revert to default priority after the system is shut down, or when the application is closed.


Best regards, Spencer Chase
67550-Bell Springs Rd.
Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only.
Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only.
21220 92nd Place W., Edmonds, WA 98020
Spencer@spencerserolls.com
Spencer@...
Spencer@...
http://www.spencerserolls.com
http://www.poodlex.com
(425) 791-0309
(707) 223-8212

------ Original Message ------
From: "'Geoff Ward' gward1211@... [disklavier]" <disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: 9/25/2017 7:38:43 PM
Subject: RE: Re[2]: [disklavier] vanBasco and Bluetooth

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Spencer

“what is the big deal using a little cable?” Who wants cables if you can avoid them? I have a Yamaha Bluetooth MIDI adapter MD-BT01 plugged into my DKV and run it using Sweetmidi on an iPad. It works flawlessly from a distance of 20’ in another room. But, I still prefer vanBasco on my Windows 10 laptop as I have access to my full music library and midi editing tools. I also connect the laptop wirelessly to the DKV using an IOGear GUWIP204 Wireless 4-Port USB Sharing Station. I have a dedicated WIFI network setup with a new Linksys router mounted under the piano. I recently bought a new router because the old Netgear router seemed to cause a lot of dropouts (or bunch-ups). The new router works very well but I still get some delays and bunch-ups if I try to do something else on the Laptop, eg just opening File Explorer (the first time) will cause the playing to stop for a few seconds and then send all the missed notes in a bunch. (Subsequent openings of File Explorer don’t interrupt vanBasco). It would be good if I could tell Windows to not interrupt vanBasco with other processes. I also have to change the setup in the DKV to switch the midi input from the Bluetooth input (DIN connectors) to the WIFI input (USB connector). At George’s suggestion, I looked for hardware to avoid this setup dance, but the problem was that the Yamaha Bluetooth device requires power from the MIDI out port of the piano. The DKV provides this power but the devices which I could use to combine several Midi inputs do not provide power.

So, I thought it would be good if I could use the Bluetooth input for both midi sources – Sweetmidi and vanBasco. I am now going to attempt to use Loopmidi and Midiberry, previously suggested by Marc Kenig, to connect vanBasco to the Yamaha Bluetooth device. Thanks Marc, I had forgotten about your suggestion.

Kind regards

Geoff

From: disklavier@yahoogroups.com [mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Tuesday, 26 September 2017 11:16 AM
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re[2]: [disklavier] vanBasco and Bluetooth

my question is why do you want/need bluetooth MIDI? the only thing that makes sense would be if your device does not have a USB port such as a smart phone or tablet. if you have USB, what is the big deal using a little cable? bluetooth has limited range especially the low energy (which is basically good for headphones and other close range devices. it suffers from dropout some times severely and is impossible to diagnose when this happens.

i have friends who insist on streaming audio via bluetooth when they visit. the music is intolerable with constant dropouts and low overall quality. of course since MIDI is a simple and not very dense digital stream it is just the dropouts that are a problem, quality is fine when it works.

we have HDMI for audio and video and the quality is superb with no dropouts ever. for the pianos i use audio cables but i have LX pianos and the audio is not of the low quality the DKV uses. i also have midi cables but rarely use them. i also have a wireless MIDI device and never use it, i bought it to see if it works and it does, sort of but ...

why are people so afraid of cables? i work on a CNC router for hours a day and because there is nothing to do but change parts every now and then, i watch movies. the machine is very loud so i use noise cancelling headphones. they have a cable and in this case it is somewhat of an inconvenience. i considered getting bluetooth headphones but decided i did not want to deal with the bluetooth issues and keeping batteries charged and this is an application where it really would be good (i keep tripping on the cable) if it only worked reliably

Best regards, Spencer Chase
67550-Bell Springs Rd.
Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only.
Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only.
21220 92nd Place W., Edmonds, WA 98020
Spencer@...
Spencer@...
Spencer@...
http://www.spencerserolls.com
http://www.poodlex.com
(425) 791-0309
(707) 223-8212

------ Original Message ------

From: "'George F. Litterst' PianoBench@... [disklavier]" <disklavier@yahoogroups.com>

Sent: 9/25/2017 5:06:12 PM

Subject: Re: [disklavier] vanBasco and Bluetooth

Good evening, everyone.

Geoff, at the very least, the operating system needs to support Bluetooth MIDI. From an early point, the Mac and iOS operating system have support BT MIDI.

On the Mac, you create a BT MIDI connection with your keyboard using Apple’s Audio MIDI Setup app. At that point, all CoreMIDI-compatible Macs can see the connection and use it. In essence, the apps get the connection “for free,” with not further app development.

On the iOS platform, the BT MIDI connection must be made by an app. Once any app makes the connection, all other CoreMIDI-compatible apps (with is most of the MIDI apps) can see and use the connection.

On the Windows side, BT MIDI has not been supported the operation system until Windows 10. Apparently, app developers must revise their apps in order to use it. You can get your research started here:

Regards,

PianoBench



On Sep 24, 2017, at 8:56 PM, gward1211@bigpond.com [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Hi all, Does anyone know if there is any way that vanBasco can be made to recognise the Yamaha Bluetooth MIDI interface MD-BT01.

Kind regards

Geoff

RE: Re[4]: [disklavier] vanBasco and Bluetooth

2017-09-26 by Geoff Ward

Thanks Spencer

I’ll see how the realtime priority goes.  If it solves the problem, maybe someone could make a script to do this change and we could then run it from a batch file which also loads VB.

 

Kind regards

 

Geoff
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From: disklavier@yahoogroups.com [mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, 26 September 2017 12:54 PM
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re[4]: [disklavier] vanBasco and Bluetooth

 

  

i forget how and don't know if it still applies to win 10 but you used to be able to change the process priority of an application which can help some times. windows still has higher priority processes and if you make too many applications "realtime" it can mess up windows. found the following for win 8 but it might apply to win 10. a lot of trouble but if you are playing a lot and want no "bunchups" it might help?i just went through the steps and it seems that this is still available in win 10. try "realtime" and see if it kills windows. if you have tons of extra processor available it probably won't. i just discovered a lot of weird crap that was bogging down my processor and disc access. it was windows stuff that was running in the background and not being used at all. made a total mess of everything. in my case it was something that i might uses once a month or so but windows decided that the majority of my machine needed to be dedicated to this task. 

 

To change the priority of processes in Windows 8 systems, follow the steps below:

 

1.	Open the application for which you want to change the processor priority level.
2.	Type “task manager” and click on Task Manager on the Start screen.
3.	Click on More details if the window is not in expanded form.
4.	Navigate to processes tab, right click on the application and click on Go to details.
5.	In the Details tab, right click on the already highlighted name of the application for the process from step 4, click/tap on Set priority, and click/tap on the priority level you want to run this application or process in.
6.	Click/tap on Change Priority to apply.
7.	Repeat steps 4 to 6 above for any other applications or processes you wish to change the priority level of.
8.	Close the Task Manager window.

 

Note: You will not be able to set the processor priority level of Windows 8 Store apps. Changes made are also not permanent as the system will revert to default priority after the system is shut down, or when the application is closed.

 

 

 

Best regards, Spencer Chase
67550-Bell Springs Rd.
Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only.
Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only.
21220 92nd Place W., Edmonds, WA 98020
Spencer@... <mailto:Spencer@spencerserolls.com> 
Spencer@... <mailto:Spencer@...> 
Spencer@... <mailto:Spencer@...> 
http://www.spencerserolls.com
http://www.poodlex.com
(425) 791-0309
(707) 223-8212

 

------ Original Message ------

From: "'Geoff Ward' gward1211@... <mailto:gward1211@bigpond.com>  [disklavier]" <disklavier@yahoogroups.com <mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com> >

To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com <mailto:disklavier@...m> 

Sent: 9/25/2017 7:38:43 PM

Subject: RE: Re[2]: [disklavier] vanBasco and Bluetooth

 

  

Spencer

 

“what is the big deal using a little cable?”  Who wants cables if you can avoid them?  I have a Yamaha Bluetooth MIDI adapter MD-BT01 plugged into my DKV and run it using Sweetmidi on an iPad.  It works flawlessly from a distance of 20’ in another room.  But, I still prefer vanBasco on my Windows 10 laptop as I have access to my full music library and midi editing tools.  I also connect the laptop wirelessly to the DKV using an IOGear GUWIP204  <https://www.iogear.com/product/GUWIP204/> Wireless 4-Port USB Sharing Station.  I have a dedicated WIFI network setup with a new Linksys router mounted under the piano.  I recently bought a new router because the old Netgear router seemed to cause a lot of dropouts (or bunch-ups).  The new router works very well but I still get some delays and bunch-ups if I try to do something else on the Laptop, eg just opening File Explorer (the first time) will cause the playing to stop for a few seconds and then send all the missed notes in a bunch.  (Subsequent openings of File Explorer don’t interrupt vanBasco).  It would be good if I could tell Windows to not interrupt vanBasco with other processes.  I also have to change the setup in the DKV to switch the midi input from the Bluetooth input (DIN connectors) to the WIFI input (USB connector).  At George’s suggestion, I looked for hardware to avoid this setup dance, but the problem was that the Yamaha Bluetooth device requires power from the MIDI out port of the piano.  The DKV provides this power but the devices which I could use to combine several Midi inputs do not provide power.

So, I thought it would be good if I could use the Bluetooth input for both midi sources – Sweetmidi and vanBasco.  I am now going to attempt to use Loopmidi and Midiberry, previously suggested by Marc Kenig, to connect vanBasco to the Yamaha Bluetooth device.  Thanks Marc, I had forgotten about your suggestion.

Kind regards

Geoff

 

 

 

From: disklavier@yahoogroups.com <mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com>  [mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com <mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com> ] 
Sent: Tuesday, 26 September 2017 11:16 AM
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com <mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com> 
Subject: Re[2]: [disklavier] vanBasco and Bluetooth

 

  

my question is why do you want/need bluetooth MIDI? the only thing that makes sense would be if your device does not have a USB port such as a smart phone or tablet. if you have USB, what is the big deal using a little cable? bluetooth has limited range especially the low energy (which is basically good for headphones and other close range devices. it suffers from dropout some times severely and is impossible to diagnose when this happens. 

 

i have friends who insist on streaming audio via bluetooth when they visit. the music is intolerable with constant dropouts and low overall quality. of course since MIDI is a simple and not very dense digital stream it is just the dropouts that are a problem, quality is fine when it works. 

 

we have HDMI for audio and video and the quality is superb with no dropouts ever. for the pianos i use audio cables but i have LX pianos and the audio is not of the low quality the DKV uses. i also have midi cables but rarely use them. i also have a wireless MIDI device and never use it, i bought it to see if it works and it does, sort of but ...

 

why are people so afraid of cables? i work on a CNC router for hours a day and because there is nothing to do but change parts every now and then, i watch movies. the machine is very loud so i use noise cancelling headphones. they have a cable and in this case it is somewhat of an inconvenience. i considered getting bluetooth headphones but decided i did not want to deal with the bluetooth issues and keeping batteries charged and this is an application where it really would be good (i keep tripping on the cable) if it only worked reliably

 

 

 

Best regards, Spencer Chase
67550-Bell Springs Rd.
Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only.
Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only.
21220 92nd Place W., Edmonds, WA 98020
Spencer@... <mailto:Spencer@spencerserolls.com> 
Spencer@... <mailto:Spencer@...> 
Spencer@mcn.org <mailto:Spencer@...> 
http://www.spencerserolls.com
http://www.poodlex.com
(425) 791-0309
(707) 223-8212

 

------ Original Message ------

From: "'George F. Litterst' PianoBench@... <mailto:PianoBench@...>  [disklavier]" <disklavier@yahoogroups.com <mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com> >

To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com <mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com> 

Sent: 9/25/2017 5:06:12 PM

Subject: Re: [disklavier] vanBasco and Bluetooth

 

  

Good evening, everyone.

 

Geoff, at the very least, the operating system needs to support Bluetooth MIDI. From an early point, the Mac and iOS operating system have support BT MIDI.

 

On the Mac, you create a BT MIDI connection with your keyboard using Apple’s Audio MIDI Setup app. At that point, all CoreMIDI-compatible Macs can see the connection and use it. In essence, the apps get the connection “for free,” with not further app development.

 

On the iOS platform, the BT MIDI connection must be made by an app. Once any app makes the connection, all other CoreMIDI-compatible apps (with is most of the MIDI apps) can see and use the connection.

 

On the Windows side, BT MIDI has not been supported the operation system until Windows 10. Apparently, app developers must revise their apps in order to use it. You can get your research started here:

 

https://www.midi.org/articles/midi-enhancements-in-windows-10

 

Regards,

PianoBench






On Sep 24, 2017, at 8:56 PM, gward1211@... <mailto:gward1211@...>  [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com <mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com> > wrote:

 

 

Hi all,  Does anyone know if there is any way that vanBasco can be made to recognise the Yamaha Bluetooth MIDI interface MD-BT01.

Kind regards

 

Geoff

Re[6]: [disklavier] vanBasco and Bluetooth

2017-09-26 by Spencer Chase

there is a perl module for handling processes of win32 applications so as long as VB is 32 bit (which i am pretty sure it is) i could write a script to run VB and change the process priority to realtime or whatever the user wanted?

i am getting a little out of practice with programming but this should not be difficult. of course it makes sense to determine if this will be helpful before taking the time to write the script.

Best regards, Spencer Chase
67550-Bell Springs Rd.
Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only.
Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only.
21220 92nd Place W., Edmonds, WA 98020
Spencer@spencerserolls.com
Spencer@...
Spencer@...
http://www.spencerserolls.com
http://www.poodlex.com
(425) 791-0309
(707) 223-8212

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From: "'Geoff Ward' gward1211@... [disklavier]" <disklavier@...m>
Sent: 9/26/2017 1:52:04 AM
Subject: RE: Re[4]: [disklavier] vanBasco and Bluetooth

Thanks Spencer

I’ll see how the realtime priority goes. If it solves the problem, maybe someone could make a script to do this change and we could then run it from a batch file which also loads VB.

Kind regards

Geoff

From: disklavier@yahoogroups.com [mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Tuesday, 26 September 2017 12:54 PM
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re[4]: [disklavier] vanBasco and Bluetooth

i forget how and don't know if it still applies to win 10 but you used to be able to change the process priority of an application which can help some times. windows still has higher priority processes and if you make too many applications "realtime" it can mess up windows. found the following for win 8 but it might apply to win 10. a lot of trouble but if you are playing a lot and want no "bunchups" it might help?i just went through the steps and it seems that this is still available in win 10. try "realtime" and see if it kills windows. if you have tons of extra processor available it probably won't. i just discovered a lot of weird crap that was bogging down my processor and disc access. it was windows stuff that was running in the background and not being used at all. made a total mess of everything. in my case it was something that i might uses once a month or so but windows decided that the majority of my machine needed to be dedicated to this task.

To change the priority of processes in Windows 8 systems, follow the steps below:

  1. Open the application for which you want to change the processor priority level.
  2. Type “task manager” and click on Task Manager on the Start screen.
  3. Click on More details if the window is not in expanded form.
  4. Navigate to processes tab, right click on the application and click on Go to details.
  5. In the Details tab, right click on the already highlighted name of the application for the process from step 4, click/tap on Set priority, and click/tap on the priority level you want to run this application or process in.
  6. Click/tap on Change Priority to apply.
  7. Repeat steps 4 to 6 above for any other applications or processes you wish to change the priority level of.
  8. Close the Task Manager window.

Note: You will not be able to set the processor priority level of Windows 8 Store apps. Changes made are also not permanent as the system will revert to default priority after the system is shut down, or when the application is closed.

Best regards, Spencer Chase
67550-Bell Springs Rd.
Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only.
Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only.
21220 92nd Place W., Edmonds, WA 98020
Spencer@spencerserolls.com
Spencer@...
Spencer@...
http://www.spencerserolls.com
http://www.poodlex.com
(425) 791-0309
(707) 223-8212

------ Original Message ------

From: "'Geoff Ward' gward1211@... [disklavier]" <disklavier@yahoogroups.com>

Sent: 9/25/2017 7:38:43 PM

Subject: RE: Re[2]: [disklavier] vanBasco and Bluetooth

Spencer

“what is the big deal using a little cable?” Who wants cables if you can avoid them? I have a Yamaha Bluetooth MIDI adapter MD-BT01 plugged into my DKV and run it using Sweetmidi on an iPad. It works flawlessly from a distance of 20’ in another room. But, I still prefer vanBasco on my Windows 10 laptop as I have access to my full music library and midi editing tools. I also connect the laptop wirelessly to the DKV using an IOGear GUWIP204 Wireless 4-Port USB Sharing Station. I have a dedicated WIFI network setup with a new Linksys router mounted under the piano. I recently bought a new router because the old Netgear router seemed to cause a lot of dropouts (or bunch-ups). The new router works very well but I still get some delays and bunch-ups if I try to do something else on the Laptop, eg just opening File Explorer (the first time) will cause the playing to stop for a few seconds and then send all the missed notes in a bunch. (Subsequent openings of File Explorer don’t interrupt vanBasco). It would be good if I could tell Windows to not interrupt vanBasco with other processes. I also have to change the setup in the DKV to switch the midi input from the Bluetooth input (DIN connectors) to the WIFI input (USB connector). At George’s suggestion, I looked for hardware to avoid this setup dance, but the problem was that the Yamaha Bluetooth device requires power from the MIDI out port of the piano. The DKV provides this power but the devices which I could use to combine several Midi inputs do not provide power.

So, I thought it would be good if I could use the Bluetooth input for both midi sources – Sweetmidi and vanBasco. I am now going to attempt to use Loopmidi and Midiberry, previously suggested by Marc Kenig, to connect vanBasco to the Yamaha Bluetooth device. Thanks Marc, I had forgotten about your suggestion.

Kind regards

Geoff

From: disklavier@yahoogroups.com [mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Tuesday, 26 September 2017 11:16 AM
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re[2]: [disklavier] vanBasco and Bluetooth

my question is why do you want/need bluetooth MIDI? the only thing that makes sense would be if your device does not have a USB port such as a smart phone or tablet. if you have USB, what is the big deal using a little cable? bluetooth has limited range especially the low energy (which is basically good for headphones and other close range devices. it suffers from dropout some times severely and is impossible to diagnose when this happens.

i have friends who insist on streaming audio via bluetooth when they visit. the music is intolerable with constant dropouts and low overall quality. of course since MIDI is a simple and not very dense digital stream it is just the dropouts that are a problem, quality is fine when it works.

we have HDMI for audio and video and the quality is superb with no dropouts ever. for the pianos i use audio cables but i have LX pianos and the audio is not of the low quality the DKV uses. i also have midi cables but rarely use them. i also have a wireless MIDI device and never use it, i bought it to see if it works and it does, sort of but ...

why are people so afraid of cables? i work on a CNC router for hours a day and because there is nothing to do but change parts every now and then, i watch movies. the machine is very loud so i use noise cancelling headphones. they have a cable and in this case it is somewhat of an inconvenience. i considered getting bluetooth headphones but decided i did not want to deal with the bluetooth issues and keeping batteries charged and this is an application where it really would be good (i keep tripping on the cable) if it only worked reliably

Best regards, Spencer Chase
67550-Bell Springs Rd.
Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only.
Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only.
21220 92nd Place W., Edmonds, WA 98020
Spencer@...
Spencer@...
Spencer@...
http://www.spencerserolls.com
http://www.poodlex.com
(425) 791-0309
(707) 223-8212

------ Original Message ------

From: "'George F. Litterst' PianoBench@... [disklavier]" <disklavier@yahoogroups.com>

Sent: 9/25/2017 5:06:12 PM

Subject: Re: [disklavier] vanBasco and Bluetooth

Good evening, everyone.

Geoff, at the very least, the operating system needs to support Bluetooth MIDI. From an early point, the Mac and iOS operating system have support BT MIDI.

On the Mac, you create a BT MIDI connection with your keyboard using Apple’s Audio MIDI Setup app. At that point, all CoreMIDI-compatible Macs can see the connection and use it. In essence, the apps get the connection “for free,” with not further app development.

On the iOS platform, the BT MIDI connection must be made by an app. Once any app makes the connection, all other CoreMIDI-compatible apps (with is most of the MIDI apps) can see and use the connection.

On the Windows side, BT MIDI has not been supported the operation system until Windows 10. Apparently, app developers must revise their apps in order to use it. You can get your research started here:

Regards,

PianoBench




On Sep 24, 2017, at 8:56 PM, gward1211@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Hi all, Does anyone know if there is any way that vanBasco can be made to recognise the Yamaha Bluetooth MIDI interface MD-BT01.

Kind regards

Geoff

RE: Re[6]: [disklavier] vanBasco and Bluetooth

2017-09-26 by Geoff Ward

Thanks Spencer

 

If I can get it to work based on Marc Kenig’s advice, I’ll let you know.

 

Kind regards

 

Geoff
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From: disklavier@yahoogroups.com [mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, 27 September 2017 2:10 AM
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re[6]: [disklavier] vanBasco and Bluetooth

 

  

there is a perl module for handling processes of win32 applications so as long as VB is 32 bit (which i am pretty sure it is) i could write a script to run VB and change the process priority to realtime or whatever the user wanted?

 

i am getting a little out of practice with programming but this should not be difficult. of course it makes sense to determine if this will be helpful before taking the time to write the script.

 

 

 

Best regards, Spencer Chase
67550-Bell Springs Rd.
Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only.
Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only.
21220 92nd Place W., Edmonds, WA 98020
Spencer@spencerserolls.com <mailto:Spencer@...> 
Spencer@... <mailto:Spencer@...> 
Spencer@... <mailto:Spencer@...> 
http://www.spencerserolls.com
http://www.poodlex.com
(425) 791-0309
(707) 223-8212

 

------ Original Message ------

From: "'Geoff Ward' gward1211@... <mailto:gward1211@...>  [disklavier]" <disklavier@yahoogroups.com <mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com> >

To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com <mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com> 

Sent: 9/26/2017 1:52:04 AM

Subject: RE: Re[4]: [disklavier] vanBasco and Bluetooth

 

  

Thanks Spencer

I’ll see how the realtime priority goes.  If it solves the problem, maybe someone could make a script to do this change and we could then run it from a batch file which also loads VB.

 

Kind regards

 

Geoff

 

 

From: disklavier@yahoogroups.com <mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com>  [mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com <mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com> ] 
Sent: Tuesday, 26 September 2017 12:54 PM
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com <mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com> 
Subject: Re[4]: [disklavier] vanBasco and Bluetooth

 

  

i forget how and don't know if it still applies to win 10 but you used to be able to change the process priority of an application which can help some times. windows still has higher priority processes and if you make too many applications "realtime" it can mess up windows. found the following for win 8 but it might apply to win 10. a lot of trouble but if you are playing a lot and want no "bunchups" it might help?i just went through the steps and it seems that this is still available in win 10. try "realtime" and see if it kills windows. if you have tons of extra processor available it probably won't. i just discovered a lot of weird crap that was bogging down my processor and disc access. it was windows stuff that was running in the background and not being used at all. made a total mess of everything. in my case it was something that i might uses once a month or so but windows decided that the majority of my machine needed to be dedicated to this task. 

 

To change the priority of processes in Windows 8 systems, follow the steps below:

 

1.	Open the application for which you want to change the processor priority level.
2.	Type “task manager” and click on Task Manager on the Start screen.
3.	Click on More details if the window is not in expanded form.
4.	Navigate to processes tab, right click on the application and click on Go to details.
5.	In the Details tab, right click on the already highlighted name of the application for the process from step 4, click/tap on Set priority, and click/tap on the priority level you want to run this application or process in.
6.	Click/tap on Change Priority to apply.
7.	Repeat steps 4 to 6 above for any other applications or processes you wish to change the priority level of.
8.	Close the Task Manager window.

 

Note: You will not be able to set the processor priority level of Windows 8 Store apps. Changes made are also not permanent as the system will revert to default priority after the system is shut down, or when the application is closed.

 

 

 

Best regards, Spencer Chase
67550-Bell Springs Rd.
Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only.
Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only.
21220 92nd Place W., Edmonds, WA 98020
Spencer@... <mailto:Spencer@...> 
Spencer@... <mailto:Spencer@...> 
Spencer@... <mailto:Spencer@...> 
http://www.spencerserolls.com
http://www.poodlex.com
(425) 791-0309
(707) 223-8212

 

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From: "'Geoff Ward' gward1211@... <mailto:gward1211@bigpond.com>  [disklavier]" <disklavier@yahoogroups.com <mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com> >

To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com <mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com> 

Sent: 9/25/2017 7:38:43 PM

Subject: RE: Re[2]: [disklavier] vanBasco and Bluetooth

 

  

Spencer

 

“what is the big deal using a little cable?”  Who wants cables if you can avoid them?  I have a Yamaha Bluetooth MIDI adapter MD-BT01 plugged into my DKV and run it using Sweetmidi on an iPad.  It works flawlessly from a distance of 20’ in another room.  But, I still prefer vanBasco on my Windows 10 laptop as I have access to my full music library and midi editing tools.  I also connect the laptop wirelessly to the DKV using an IOGear GUWIP204  <https://www.iogear.com/product/GUWIP204/> Wireless 4-Port USB Sharing Station.  I have a dedicated WIFI network setup with a new Linksys router mounted under the piano.  I recently bought a new router because the old Netgear router seemed to cause a lot of dropouts (or bunch-ups).  The new router works very well but I still get some delays and bunch-ups if I try to do something else on the Laptop, eg just opening File Explorer (the first time) will cause the playing to stop for a few seconds and then send all the missed notes in a bunch.  (Subsequent openings of File Explorer don’t interrupt vanBasco).  It would be good if I could tell Windows to not interrupt vanBasco with other processes.  I also have to change the setup in the DKV to switch the midi input from the Bluetooth input (DIN connectors) to the WIFI input (USB connector).  At George’s suggestion, I looked for hardware to avoid this setup dance, but the problem was that the Yamaha Bluetooth device requires power from the MIDI out port of the piano.  The DKV provides this power but the devices which I could use to combine several Midi inputs do not provide power.

So, I thought it would be good if I could use the Bluetooth input for both midi sources – Sweetmidi and vanBasco.  I am now going to attempt to use Loopmidi and Midiberry, previously suggested by Marc Kenig, to connect vanBasco to the Yamaha Bluetooth device.  Thanks Marc, I had forgotten about your suggestion.

Kind regards

Geoff

 

 

 

From: disklavier@yahoogroups.com <mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com>  [mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com <mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com> ] 
Sent: Tuesday, 26 September 2017 11:16 AM
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com <mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com> 
Subject: Re[2]: [disklavier] vanBasco and Bluetooth

 

  

my question is why do you want/need bluetooth MIDI? the only thing that makes sense would be if your device does not have a USB port such as a smart phone or tablet. if you have USB, what is the big deal using a little cable? bluetooth has limited range especially the low energy (which is basically good for headphones and other close range devices. it suffers from dropout some times severely and is impossible to diagnose when this happens. 

 

i have friends who insist on streaming audio via bluetooth when they visit. the music is intolerable with constant dropouts and low overall quality. of course since MIDI is a simple and not very dense digital stream it is just the dropouts that are a problem, quality is fine when it works. 

 

we have HDMI for audio and video and the quality is superb with no dropouts ever. for the pianos i use audio cables but i have LX pianos and the audio is not of the low quality the DKV uses. i also have midi cables but rarely use them. i also have a wireless MIDI device and never use it, i bought it to see if it works and it does, sort of but ...

 

why are people so afraid of cables? i work on a CNC router for hours a day and because there is nothing to do but change parts every now and then, i watch movies. the machine is very loud so i use noise cancelling headphones. they have a cable and in this case it is somewhat of an inconvenience. i considered getting bluetooth headphones but decided i did not want to deal with the bluetooth issues and keeping batteries charged and this is an application where it really would be good (i keep tripping on the cable) if it only worked reliably

 

 

 

Best regards, Spencer Chase
67550-Bell Springs Rd.
Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only.
Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only.
21220 92nd Place W., Edmonds, WA 98020
Spencer@... <mailto:Spencer@spencerserolls.com> 
Spencer@... <mailto:Spencer@...> 
Spencer@... <mailto:Spencer@...> 
http://www.spencerserolls.com
http://www.poodlex.com
(425) 791-0309
(707) 223-8212

 

------ Original Message ------

From: "'George F. Litterst' PianoBench@... <mailto:PianoBench@aol.com>  [disklavier]" <disklavier@yahoogroups.com <mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com> >

To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com <mailto:disklavier@...m> 

Sent: 9/25/2017 5:06:12 PM

Subject: Re: [disklavier] vanBasco and Bluetooth

 

  

Good evening, everyone.

 

Geoff, at the very least, the operating system needs to support Bluetooth MIDI. From an early point, the Mac and iOS operating system have support BT MIDI.

 

On the Mac, you create a BT MIDI connection with your keyboard using Apple’s Audio MIDI Setup app. At that point, all CoreMIDI-compatible Macs can see the connection and use it. In essence, the apps get the connection “for free,” with not further app development.

 

On the iOS platform, the BT MIDI connection must be made by an app. Once any app makes the connection, all other CoreMIDI-compatible apps (with is most of the MIDI apps) can see and use the connection.

 

On the Windows side, BT MIDI has not been supported the operation system until Windows 10. Apparently, app developers must revise their apps in order to use it. You can get your research started here:

 

https://www.midi.org/articles/midi-enhancements-in-windows-10

 

Regards,

PianoBench







On Sep 24, 2017, at 8:56 PM, gward1211@... <mailto:gward1211@...>  [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com <mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com> > wrote:

 

 

Hi all,  Does anyone know if there is any way that vanBasco can be made to recognise the Yamaha Bluetooth MIDI interface MD-BT01.

Kind regards

 

Geoff

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