Disklavier

Hello Disklavia users

I wonder if anybody out there can help me, I have
recently purchased a 2nd hand Yamaha Piano I was told
that it is a Silent Disklavia unfortunately I have no
history of it apart from it was made in about
1990-1992

The piano came with 3 standard floppy disks probally
demo disks from when it was new. I would like to be
able to get some more pre-recorded discs for the piano
but I have no idea what type to get as there seem to
be different types and I would not like to cause any
damage by using the wrong ones.

There is no identification on the built in disclavia
unit and no instruction book, the controls have
Japaneese wording for on/off, play, pause, and record
etc.

Thanks for any help you can give me.

Kathy




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Kathy,

You may have purchased a so-called "gray-market" Disklavier--that is, 
one not marketed for the Americas or wherever you are.  The catch is 
that neither Yamaha America nor Yamaha of Hamamatsu will support this 
expatriate instrument outside its marketing area.  One purported reason 
has to do with the wood used not being compatible with the climate.  As 
I understand it, many years back, Yamaha found themselves with a major 
warranty headache in the U.S. due to the instability of certain woods 
that they were using--which might be the real reason for this policy.  I 
also understand that some unscrupulous profiteers have imported these 
pianos to sell in the U.S.  You will not find them at authorized Yamaha 
dealers.  Naturally, Yamaha, having burned their fingers once, want 
nothing to do with them.

The encouraging news is that you do have a piano that you can play and 
that there are surely independent RPTs who will be willing to keep it in 
tune and make repairs.  The Disklavier control units are solid state and 
are unlikely to fail; just don't insert a disk upside down and damage 
the drive.  You are not going to be able to obtain updated ROMs, which 
only means that the features of your instrument remain fixed for life.

I was not clear on whether you were able to play the demo disks that you 
have.  If you can play a demo disk, you probably can play any Yamaha 
PianoSoft disk.  (You will not want PianoSoft Plus disks.)  You can buy 
PianoSoft disks from Hal Leonard, at Yamaha dealers, or vendors found on 
the Net.  Sometimes members of our list sell them used.

Good luck!


Kathy Corden wrote:

> Hello Disklavia users
> 
> I wonder if anybody out there can help me, I have
> recently purchased a 2nd hand Yamaha Piano I was told
> that it is a Silent Disklavia unfortunately I have no
> history of it apart from it was made in about
> 1990-1992
> 
> The piano came with 3 standard floppy disks probally
> demo disks from when it was new. I would like to be
> able to get some more pre-recorded discs for the piano
> but I have no idea what type to get as there seem to
> be different types and I would not like to cause any
> damage by using the wrong ones.
> 
> There is no identification on the built in disclavia
> unit and no instruction book, the controls have
> Japaneese wording for on/off, play, pause, and record
> etc.
> 
> Thanks for any help you can give me.
> 
> Kathy
> 
> 
> 
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Anchorage, Alaska

Dear Kathy,

I purchased a "grey market" Disklavier here in Australia a couple of years ago. Like yours, it has Japanese characters in the LED display. You may find a small sticker on the frame at the back of the piano with a model number and serial number. At a Yamaha website, you can trace
the year of manufacture from a list of serial numbers. My piano will play Yamaha prerecorded floppy disks, but to play midi files downloaded from the Internet, I needed to buy a DSR1 - about US $1000 I think. This comes with full instruction manuals.

Good luck,

Russ Morcom

Kathy Corden wrote:

> Hello Disklavia users
>
> I wonder if anybody out there can help me, I have
> recently purchased a 2nd hand Yamaha Piano I was told
> that it is a Silent Disklavia unfortunately I have no
> history of it apart from it was made in about
> 1990-1992
>
> The piano came with 3 standard floppy disks probally
> demo disks from when it was new. I would like to be
> able to get some more pre-recorded discs for the piano
> but I have no idea what type to get as there seem to
> be different types and I would not like to cause any
> damage by using the wrong ones.
>
> There is no identification on the built in disclavia
> unit and no instruction book, the controls have
> Japaneese wording for on/off, play, pause, and record
> etc.
>
> Thanks for any help you can give me.
>
> Kathy
>
> __________________________________________________
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>
> Todd's family web site was completely rewritten in June 2001 and contains some fun disklavier content and links to midi sites among other things, The url is:
> http://MuncyFamily.com
>
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If it is a silent model then you probably have a MPX100II made about 1995.  
This model plays Yamaha Eseq files as well as midi files in format 0.

It it is NOT a silent model, then you probably have the older MX100B model 
that will only play Eseq files.

In either case, you would need a tone generator to hear ensemble sounds.  
Any PianoSoft Solo disks will play.  If you add a tone generator, you can 
also play PianoSoft Plus disks.

The reason "foreign" disklaviers are not supported by Yamaha America is that 
they are not UL approved. This can make the product liability enormous if 
your house burns down from an electrical fire in your DKV.

Carol Beigel



>From: Kathy Corden <kathcorden@...>
>Reply-To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
>To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [disklavier] Help for a new user
>Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2002 06:01:16 -0700 (PDT)
>
>Hello Disklavia users
>
>I wonder if anybody out there can help me, I have
>recently purchased a 2nd hand Yamaha Piano I was told
>that it is a Silent Disklavia unfortunately I have no
>history of it apart from it was made in about
>1990-1992
>
>The piano came with 3 standard floppy disks probally
>demo disks from when it was new. I would like to be
>able to get some more pre-recorded discs for the piano
>but I have no idea what type to get as there seem to
>be different types and I would not like to cause any
>damage by using the wrong ones.
>
>There is no identification on the built in disclavia
>unit and no instruction book, the controls have
>Japaneese wording for on/off, play, pause, and record
>etc.
>
>Thanks for any help you can give me.
>
>Kathy
>
>
>
>
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I have a Yamaha TG100 Tone Generator with manuals for sale.
Chuck Muller

To all who have helped,
Thank you for sending so much information.  I thought I might tell you the story that came with the piano.  It was found in storage in UK docks.  No one knows where it was destined to go or where it had come from. Although the piano case needed some TLC the internal  mechanism  was found to be in perfect condition and when played suprisingly in tune.  I went looking for a new piano and liked the tone this Yamaha produced.  I was worried about the in built disklavier unit but my husband thought it was a great novelty when he heard the demo disks play.  It also convinced me that this piano has a wonderful tone, although I'm not sure my playing will ever match the great sounds I know now it is capable of producing.  Robert I dont suppose climate will be a problem here in England but I think we may well have the electrics tested as Carol Beigel and John Burton have suggested it may be prudent to do so.  The serial number on the inside of the piano is SX100RWnC and I have tried to attach 2 photographs with this message.  If you have any further information I would love to hear from you again.  Many thanks   
Regards  
Kathy 
 Robert Welcyng <rwelcyng@...> wrote: Kathy,

You may have purchased a so-called "gray-market" Disklavier--that is, 
one not marketed for the Americas or wherever you are.  The catch is 
that neither Yamaha America nor Yamaha of Hamamatsu will support this 
expatriate instrument outside its marketing area.  One purported reason 
has to do with the wood used not being compatible with the climate.  As 
I understand it, many years back, Yamaha found themselves with a major 
warranty headache in the U.S. due to the instability of certain woods 
that they were using--which might be the real reason for this policy.  I 
also understand that some unscrupulous profiteers have imported these 
pianos to sell in the U.S.  You will not find them at authorized Yamaha 
dealers.  Naturally, Yamaha, having burned their fingers once, want 
nothing to do with them.

The encouraging news is that you do have a piano that you can play and 
that there are surely independent RPTs who will be willing to keep it in 
tune and make repairs.  The Disklavier control units are solid state and 
are unlikely to fail; just don't insert a disk upside down and damage 
the drive.  You are not going to be able to obtain updated ROMs, which 
only means that the features of your instrument remain fixed for life.

I was not clear on whether you were able to play the demo disks that you 
have.  If you can play a demo disk, you probably can play any Yamaha 
PianoSoft disk.  (You will not want PianoSoft Plus disks.)  You can buy 
PianoSoft disks from Hal Leonard, at Yamaha dealers, or vendors found on 
the Net.  Sometimes members of our list sell them used.

Good luck!


Kathy Corden wrote:

> Hello Disklavia users
> 
> I wonder if anybody out there can help me, I have
> recently purchased a 2nd hand Yamaha Piano I was told
> that it is a Silent Disklavia unfortunately I have no
> history of it apart from it was made in about
> 1990-1992
> 
> The piano came with 3 standard floppy disks probally
> demo disks from when it was new. I would like to be
> able to get some more pre-recorded discs for the piano
> but I have no idea what type to get as there seem to
> be different types and I would not like to cause any
> damage by using the wrong ones.
> 
> There is no identification on the built in disclavia
> unit and no instruction book, the controls have
> Japaneese wording for on/off, play, pause, and record
> etc.
> 
> Thanks for any help you can give me.
> 
> Kathy
> 
> 
> 
> 
> __________________________________________________
> Do You Yahoo!?
> Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax
> http://taxes.yahoo.com/
> 
> 
> To Post a message to the group, send it to:   disklavier@...
> 
> To Post a private message to Todd Muncy, the group's founder and moderator, send it to:
> disklavier-owner@...
> 
> To reach our group's web site go to:
> http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier
> 
> Todd's family web site was completely rewritten in June 2001 and contains some fun disklavier content and links to midi sites among other things, The url is:
> http://MuncyFamily.com
> 
> THINKING OF LEAVING THE GROUP?
> If you are thinking of unsubcribing because you are getting too much mail, go the the web site and change your email delivery option instead.  That will fix the problem, while maintaining your access to the group.  If you insist on leaving us completely send a blank email to:
> disklavier-unsubscribe@...
> 
> Know someone who wants to join?  Have them send a blank email to:
> disklavier-subscribe@... or give them this link:
> http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier/join
>  
> 
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> 
> 
> 
> 


-- 
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Anchorage, Alaska


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Kathy,
 
Having done the California-UK move (and back), I know how plausible it
is that something of this size and importance (to the owner) goes
missing like you described.  I hope you got a good deal on it!  If you
happen to spot any of my stuff that 'fell off the boat', please let me
know!  (just look for my name on anything, hehe)
 
-Shawn

-----Original Message-----
From: Kathy Corden [mailto:kathcorden@...] 
Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 2:19 PM
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Help for a new user



To all who have helped, 


Thank you for sending so much information.  I thought I might tell you
the story that came with the piano.  It was found in storage in UK
docks.  No one knows where it was destined to go or where it had come
from. Although the piano case needed some TLC the internal  mechanism
was found to be in perfect condition and when played suprisingly in
tune.  I went looking for a new piano and liked the tone this Yamaha
produced.  I was worried about the in built disklavier unit but my
husband thought it was a great novelty when he heard the demo disks
play.  It also convinced me that this piano has a wonderful tone,
although I'm not sure my playing will ever match the great sounds I know
now it is capable of producing.  Robert I dont suppose climate will be a
problem here in England but I think we may well have the electrics
tested as Carol Beigel and John Burton have suggested it may be prudent
to do so.  The serial number on the inside of the piano is SX100RWnC and
I have tried to attach 2 photographs with this message.  If you have any
further information I would love to hear from you again.  Many thanks   


Regards  


Kathy 


 Robert Welcyng <rwelcyng@...> wrote: 


Kathy,

You may have purchased a so-called "gray-market" Disklavier--that is, 
one not marketed for the Americas or wherever you are.  The catch is 
that neither Yamaha America nor Yamaha of Hamamatsu will support this 
expatriate instrument outside its marketing area.  One purported reason 
has to do with the wood used not being compatible with the climate.  As 
I understand it, many years back, Yamaha found themselves with a major 
warranty headache in the U.S. due to the instability of certain woods 
that they were using--which might be the real reason for this policy.  I

also understand that some unscrupulous profiteers have imported these 
pianos to sell in the U.S.  You will not find them at authorized Yamaha 
dealers.  Naturally, Yamaha, having burned their fingers once, want 
nothing to do with them.

The encouraging news is that you do have a piano that you can play and 
that there are surely independent RPTs who will be willing to keep it in

tune and make repairs.  The Disklavier control units are solid state and

are unlikely to fail; just don't insert a disk upside down and damage 
the drive.  You are not going to be able to obtain updated ROMs, which 
only means that the features of your instrument remain fixed for life.

I was not clear on whether you were able to play the demo disks that you

have.  If you can play a demo disk, you probably can play any Yamaha 
PianoSoft disk.  (You will not want PianoSoft Plus disks.)  You can buy 
PianoSoft disks from Hal Leonard, at Yamaha dealers, or vendors found on

the Net.  Sometimes members of our list sell them used.

Good luck!


Kathy Corden wrote:

> Hello Disklavia users
> 
> I wonder if anybody out there can help me, I have
> recently purchased a 2nd hand Yamaha Piano I was told
> that it is a Silent Disklavia unfortunately I have no
> history of it apart from it was made in about
> 1990-1992
> 
> The piano came with 3 standard floppy disks probally
> demo disks from when it was new. I would like to be
> able to get some more pre-recorded discs for the piano
> but I have no idea what type to get as there seem to
> be different types and I would not like to cause any
> damage by using the wrong ones.
> 
> There is no identification on the built in disclavia
> unit and no instruction book, the controls have
> Japaneese wording for on/off, play, pause, and record
> etc.
> 
> Thanks for any help you can give me.
> 
> Kathy
> 
> 
> 
> 
> __________________________________________________
> Do You Yahoo!?
> Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax
> http://taxes.yahoo.com/
> 
> 
> To Post a message to the group, send it to:
disklavier@...
> 
> To Post a private message to Todd Muncy, the group's founder and
moderator, send it to:
> disklavier-owner@...
> 
> To reach our group's web site go to:
> http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier
> 
> Todd's family web site was completely rewritten in June 2001 and
contains some fun disklavier content and links to midi sites among other
things, The url is:
> http://MuncyFamily.com <http://muncyfamily.com/> 
> 
> THINKING OF LEAVING THE GROUP?
> If you are thinking of unsubcribing because you are getting too much
mail, go the the web site and change your email delivery option instead.
That will fix the problem, while maintaining your access to the group.
If you insist on leaving us completely send a blank email to:
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> 
> Know someone who wants to join?  Have them send a blank email to:
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>  
> 
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> 
> 
> 
> 


-- 
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Anchorage, Alaska



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Todd's family web site was completely rewritten in June 2001 and
contains some fun disklavier content and links to midi sites among other
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I have to tell you, though, that there is probably nothing wrong with the 
electronics.  UL approval is granted only if you have to use a tool to 
access the power supply.  Therefore, all that is necessary to get UL 
approval on Disklaviers in the U.S. is to attach a single screw to the 
bottom lid of the piano.  But product liability is still a big deal in the 
U.S.

Sounds like you have an MX100 Disklavier.  Plays Yamaha files only, but here 
in the vault on this site are the DKVutilities that will convert MIDI files 
found on the internet and elsewhere to the Yamaha Eseq format.

Carol Beigel

>From: "Shawn Nunley" <shawn@...>
>Reply-To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
>To: <disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: RE: [disklavier] Help for a new user
>Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 14:34:57 -0700
>
>Kathy,
>
>Having done the California-UK move (and back), I know how plausible it
>is that something of this size and importance (to the owner) goes
>missing like you described.  I hope you got a good deal on it!  If you
>happen to spot any of my stuff that 'fell off the boat', please let me
>know!  (just look for my name on anything, hehe)
>
>-Shawn
>
>
>


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Good evening, everyone.

In a message dated 4/8/02 5:22:08 PM, kathy writes:

<< Thank you for sending so much information.  I thought I might tell you the 
story that came with the piano.  It was found in storage in UK docks.  No one 
knows where it was destined to go or where it had come from. Although the 
piano case needed some TLC the internal  mechanism  was found to be in 
perfect condition and when played suprisingly in tune.  I went looking for a 
new piano and liked the tone this Yamaha produced.  I was worried about the 
in built disklavier unit but my husband thought it was a great novelty when 
he heard the demo disks play.  It also convinced me that this piano has a 
wonderful tone, although I'm not sure my playing will ever match the great 
sounds I know now it is capable of producing.  Robert I dont suppose climate 
will be a problem here in England but I think we may well have the electrics 
tested as Carol Beigel and John Burton have suggested it may be prudent to do 
so.  The serial number on the inside of the piano is SX100RWnC and I have 
tried to attach 2 photographs with this message.  If you have any further 
information I would love to hear from you again.  Many thanks    >>

Judging by the pictures, I think that a DSR1 is in order. If you can figure 
out how to connect the DSR1 to the Disklavier and to get the two devices to 
communicate with each other, then you can forget the built-in buttons and the 
Japanese display and work almost exclusively with the display, buttons, and 
remote control of the DSR1. You will also get modern features, such as 
support for Standard MIDI Files, high density disks, and a built-in tone 
generator.

Regards,
PianoBench