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difference in CD and floppy drives

2003-01-04 by bikerbill44 <bikerbil@ptd.net>

We have a Disklavier Mark III Series DC2A. I find no problem 
downloading midi music files and putting them on a floppy and 
playing them on the Disklavier, but today I tried to place the same 
midi files on a CD and it won't play in the Disklavier. They are the 
same midi files and both CD and floppy play fine on my computer but 
what is the difference with the Disklavier? Does the CD need some 
different form of file or special format?

FYI we bought the piano last Sept 2001 for our 35th Wedding 
Anniversary and my wife really enjoys playing it. I show friends how 
well I play, only I use the Disklavier. They are impressed with 
either one of our playing (I think my wife impresses them more 
though!).

Bill and Barb in PA.

Re: [disklavier] difference in CD and floppy drives

2003-01-04 by Mark A. Fontana

Hi Bill,

The Disklavier won't read a data CD (a CD with an actual filesystem on
it)-- instead, each MIDI file needs to be converted into a
specially-formatted WAVE audio file and written to an audio CD with CD
burning software.

I figured out how to do this for PianoDisc CDs, but haven't gotten around
to reverse-engineering Yamaha's format yet (I am told it is actually the
output of a MidiMan device that converts MIDI into a signal suitable for
recording on analog tape).

I do not have a Disklavier of any kind, but if someone would care to loan
me an original Yamaha CD to analyze for a few days, I will have a look at
creating a tool that encodes MIDI files into this format.

Are any of the Disklavier models with CD capability capable of playing a
PianoDisc CD?

Mark
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On Sat, 4 Jan 2003, bikerbill44 <bikerbil@...> wrote:

> We have a Disklavier Mark III Series DC2A. I find no problem
> downloading midi music files and putting them on a floppy and
> playing them on the Disklavier, but today I tried to place the same
> midi files on a CD and it won't play in the Disklavier. They are the
> same midi files and both CD and floppy play fine on my computer but
> what is the difference with the Disklavier? Does the CD need some
> different form of file or special format?
>
> FYI we bought the piano last Sept 2001 for our 35th Wedding
> Anniversary and my wife really enjoys playing it. I show friends how
> well I play, only I use the Disklavier. They are impressed with
> either one of our playing (I think my wife impresses them more
> though!).
>
> Bill and Barb in PA.

Re: [disklavier] difference in CD and floppy drives

2003-01-04 by Carol Beigel

When your DKV see a floppy disk, it knows it is looking for MIDI 
information.  When it sees a CD, it is looking for audio information.  On 
the older Mark IIXG, you could buy (for $300) an analog-to-MIDI converter 
from QRS to play their CDs on the Disklavier.

There are only two channels, so on the Yamaha the MIDI data is on one 
channel, and the audio is on the other.  For PianoDisc, it is the same thing 
but they use the opposite channels from Yamaha.

The MarkIII is using some really cool converter that not only plays MIDI 
data off the CD, but can transpose the audio data to follow the MIDI.  For 
example, when Simon and Garfunkle are singing the first song on the sample 
CD, you can push the Transpose button and their singing (audio) follows the 
(MIDI) transposition both up and down the scale.

I don't think you can play PianoDisc CDs with the MarkIII, but you should be 
able to play the QRS ones.

Carol Beigel
crbrpt@...

>From: "bikerbill44 <bikerbil@...>" <bikerbil@...>
>Reply-To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
>To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [disklavier] difference in CD and floppy drives
>Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2003 00:15:41 -0000
>
>We have a Disklavier Mark III Series DC2A. I find no problem
>downloading midi music files and putting them on a floppy and
>playing them on the Disklavier, but today I tried to place the same
>midi files on a CD and it won't play in the Disklavier. They are the
>same midi files and both CD and floppy play fine on my computer but
>what is the difference with the Disklavier? Does the CD need some
>different form of file or special format?
>
>FYI we bought the piano last Sept 2001 for our 35th Wedding
>Anniversary and my wife really enjoys playing it. I show friends how
>well I play, only I use the Disklavier. They are impressed with
>either one of our playing (I think my wife impresses them more
>though!).
>
>Bill and Barb in PA.
>


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Re: [disklavier] difference in CD and floppy drives

2003-01-06 by Morris Smith

All CD's will play on the Mark III.
--- Carol Beigel <carolrpt@...> wrote:
> When your DKV see a floppy disk, it knows it is
> looking for MIDI 
> information.  When it sees a CD, it is looking for
> audio information.  On 
> the older Mark IIXG, you could buy (for $300) an
> analog-to-MIDI converter 
> from QRS to play their CDs on the Disklavier.
> 
> There are only two channels, so on the Yamaha the
> MIDI data is on one 
> channel, and the audio is on the other.  For
> PianoDisc, it is the same thing 
> but they use the opposite channels from Yamaha.
> 
> The MarkIII is using some really cool converter that
> not only plays MIDI 
> data off the CD, but can transpose the audio data to
> follow the MIDI.  For 
> example, when Simon and Garfunkle are singing the
> first song on the sample 
> CD, you can push the Transpose button and their
> singing (audio) follows the 
> (MIDI) transposition both up and down the scale.
> 
> I don't think you can play PianoDisc CDs with the
> MarkIII, but you should be 
> able to play the QRS ones.
> 
> Carol Beigel
> crbrpt@...
> 
> >From: "bikerbill44 <bikerbil@...>"
> <bikerbil@...>
> >Reply-To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
> >To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: [disklavier] difference in CD and floppy
> drives
> >Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2003 00:15:41 -0000
> >
> >We have a Disklavier Mark III Series DC2A. I find
> no problem
> >downloading midi music files and putting them on a
> floppy and
> >playing them on the Disklavier, but today I tried
> to place the same
> >midi files on a CD and it won't play in the
> Disklavier. They are the
> >same midi files and both CD and floppy play fine on
> my computer but
> >what is the difference with the Disklavier? Does
> the CD need some
> >different form of file or special format?
> >
> >FYI we bought the piano last Sept 2001 for our 35th
> Wedding
> >Anniversary and my wife really enjoys playing it. I
> show friends how
> >well I play, only I use the Disklavier. They are
> impressed with
> >either one of our playing (I think my wife
> impresses them more
> >though!).
> >
> >Bill and Barb in PA.
> >
> 
> 
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Re: difference in CD and floppy drives

2003-04-23 by jazornes

Mark Fontana --

I woudl like to migrate my huge Yamaha and PG Music etc. MIDI 
collections onto CD.  I purchased a used MIDIMAN converter last year 
to start this project.  I have a MarkIII DC6A disklavier.  I live in 
the Bay area (Hillsborough).

If you are still interested in helping the group learn how to copy 
FDs onto Cds, let me know and let's see what we can work out.

--Aaron

--- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, "Mark A. Fontana" <mfontana@f...> 
wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi Bill,
> 
> The Disklavier won't read a data CD (a CD with an actual filesystem 
on
> it)-- instead, each MIDI file needs to be converted into a
> specially-formatted WAVE audio file and written to an audio CD with 
CD
> burning software.
> 
> I figured out how to do this for PianoDisc CDs, but haven't gotten 
around
> to reverse-engineering Yamaha's format yet (I am told it is 
actually the
> output of a MidiMan device that converts MIDI into a signal 
suitable for
> recording on analog tape).
> 
> I do not have a Disklavier of any kind, but if someone would care 
to loan
> me an original Yamaha CD to analyze for a few days, I will have a 
look at
> creating a tool that encodes MIDI files into this format.
> 
> Are any of the Disklavier models with CD capability capable of 
playing a
> PianoDisc CD?
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
> On Sat, 4 Jan 2003, bikerbill44 <bikerbil@p...> wrote:
> 
> > We have a Disklavier Mark III Series DC2A. I find no problem
> > downloading midi music files and putting them on a floppy and
> > playing them on the Disklavier, but today I tried to place the 
same
> > midi files on a CD and it won't play in the Disklavier. They are 
the
> > same midi files and both CD and floppy play fine on my computer 
but
> > what is the difference with the Disklavier? Does the CD need some
> > different form of file or special format?
> >
> > FYI we bought the piano last Sept 2001 for our 35th Wedding
> > Anniversary and my wife really enjoys playing it. I show friends 
how
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> > well I play, only I use the Disklavier. They are impressed with
> > either one of our playing (I think my wife impresses them more
> > though!).
> >
> > Bill and Barb in PA.

Re: [disklavier] Re: difference in CD and floppy drives

2003-04-23 by Mark A. Fontana

On Wed, 23 Apr 2003, jazornes wrote:

> Mark Fontana --
> I would like to migrate my huge Yamaha and PG Music etc. MIDI
> collections onto CD.  I purchased a used MIDIMAN converter last year
> to start this project.  I have a MarkIII DC6A disklavier.  I live in
> the Bay area (Hillsborough).
>
> If you are still interested in helping the group learn how to copy
> FDs onto Cds, let me know and let's see what we can work out.


Hi Aaron and group,

I've put together a Windows app called Mid2PianoCD that batch converts
MIDI and ESEQ files into WAVE audio files that can be burned to CD to
control PianoDisc and Pianocorder systems. I haven't figured out the
format of Yamaha's CD control signal yet, but once that is known, I
could add support for the Disklavier format as well. (In addition, I'm
working on support for QRS Pianomation/Baldwin ConcertMaster CDs.)

Anyone who'd like to try a beta version of this software may find it at:

   http://dp70.dyndns.org/mid2pianocd/

(Please don't copy this into the group archives or upload it to other
sites yet, as this is still under development. A link to the above URL
is OK, though.)

One thing I've learned recently is that Yamaha's CDs do NOT use the
MIDIMAN encoding-- that format is used by QRS and Baldwin. Yamaha
appears to developed their own format.

Some of you may not realize that this "audio" encoding of MIDI data
limits you to the audio capacity of the CD-R... typically 80 minutes.
Because the "audio" encoding is so inefficient, you cannot pack a full
700 MB of MIDI files onto such a CD, rather just a dozen or so files at
a time. So it will take quite a few CDs to hold a sizable collection.

Another factor to consider is that the timing of the MIDI events is less
accurate in this format than when playing from diskette.

Together, these factors make the current CD format less-than-optimal
for the purpose of storing a large music library.

If you want to maintain the best timing accuracy on your Disklavier,
here are the ways of playing music data ranked from most-accurate to
least-accurate:

  1. play from floppy disk or memory disk (delta times of zero
between notes can truly be played as such... NO transmission delays)

  2. use a "To Host" cable and send MIDI to the piano from a PC (this
offers a higher data rate than standard MIDI but will still result in
small delays between notes that are to be struck simultaneously)

  3. use a standard MIDI link (results in greater delays between notes
struck simultaneously)

  4. play from CD (even greater delays... it's barely adequate)

I recently had the opportunity to see a Baldwin ConcertMaster system
running the latest firmware. The engineers for this system have added
support for playing standard MIDI files from a standard ISO9600 *DATA*
CDROM (no audio encoding required). This feature works extremely well
and it would be nice if Yamaha and PianoDisc would follow suit.


Mark Fontana

Re: [disklavier] Re: difference in CD and floppy drives

2003-04-23 by Aaron.Zornes@metagroup.com

Mark (Wisner?) or another great Yamaha tech support professional
walked me through "how to burn MIDI onto CD-ROM" 2+ years ago.

That email is now *history* as my glorious IT department
implemented ARCHIVING of saved emails older than 6 months without
telling us ... and by archiving I mean to the "bit bucket in the
sky".

MIDI-to-CD-ROM-readable-by-DK can be done, but the only device
that could cost effectively do this, was the MIDIMAN tape-to-MIDI
sync device.

Altho I live in San Francisco, I tracked one used unit down via a
shop in Toronto and bought it via Internet and phone combo.  It
has sat in my garage with other MIDI spares for the past 2+ years
(2 divorces ... don't ask).

So -- Yamaha tech support says use this device.  I managed to get
my hands on one.

Your thoughts?

--Aaron




                                                                                                                      
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On Wed, 23 Apr 2003, jazornes wrote:

> Mark Fontana --
> I would like to migrate my huge Yamaha and PG Music etc. MIDI
> collections onto CD.  I purchased a used MIDIMAN converter last
year
> to start this project.  I have a MarkIII DC6A disklavier.  I
live in
> the Bay area (Hillsborough).
>
> If you are still interested in helping the group learn how to
copy
> FDs onto Cds, let me know and let's see what we can work out.


Hi Aaron and group,

I've put together a Windows app called Mid2PianoCD that batch
converts
MIDI and ESEQ files into WAVE audio files that can be burned to
CD to
control PianoDisc and Pianocorder systems. I haven't figured out
the
format of Yamaha's CD control signal yet, but once that is known,
I
could add support for the Disklavier format as well. (In
addition, I'm
working on support for QRS Pianomation/Baldwin ConcertMaster
CDs.)

Anyone who'd like to try a beta version of this software may find
it at:

   http://dp70.dyndns.org/mid2pianocd/

(Please don't copy this into the group archives or upload it to
other
sites yet, as this is still under development. A link to the
above URL
is OK, though.)

One thing I've learned recently is that Yamaha's CDs do NOT use
the
MIDIMAN encoding-- that format is used by QRS and Baldwin. Yamaha
appears to developed their own format.

Some of you may not realize that this "audio" encoding of MIDI
data
limits you to the audio capacity of the CD-R... typically 80
minutes.
Because the "audio" encoding is so inefficient, you cannot pack a
full
700 MB of MIDI files onto such a CD, rather just a dozen or so
files at
a time. So it will take quite a few CDs to hold a sizable
collection.

Another factor to consider is that the timing of the MIDI events
is less
accurate in this format than when playing from diskette.

Together, these factors make the current CD format
less-than-optimal
for the purpose of storing a large music library.

If you want to maintain the best timing accuracy on your
Disklavier,
here are the ways of playing music data ranked from most-accurate
to
least-accurate:

  1. play from floppy disk or memory disk (delta times of zero
between notes can truly be played as such... NO transmission
delays)

  2. use a "To Host" cable and send MIDI to the piano from a PC
(this
offers a higher data rate than standard MIDI but will still
result in
small delays between notes that are to be struck simultaneously)

  3. use a standard MIDI link (results in greater delays between
notes
struck simultaneously)

  4. play from CD (even greater delays... it's barely adequate)

I recently had the opportunity to see a Baldwin ConcertMaster
system
running the latest firmware. The engineers for this system have
added
support for playing standard MIDI files from a standard ISO9600
*DATA*
CDROM (no audio encoding required). This feature works extremely
well
and it would be nice if Yamaha and PianoDisc would follow suit.


Mark Fontana


                                                    
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Re: [disklavier] Re: difference in CD and floppy drives

2003-04-24 by Mark A. Fontana

Aaron,

The Yamaha control track sounds quite different from the MidiMan control
track. Maybe Yamaha recommended the MidiMan encoder because the
Disklavier is capable of playing QRS' format, which does use the MidiMan
encoding? (Yamaha does not provide a software or hardware encoder for
their own format.)

Mark
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On Tue, 22 Apr 2003 Aaron.Zornes@... wrote:

> Mark (Wisner?) or another great Yamaha tech support professional
> walked me through "how to burn MIDI onto CD-ROM" 2+ years ago.
>
> That email is now *history* as my glorious IT department
> implemented ARCHIVING of saved emails older than 6 months without
> telling us ... and by archiving I mean to the "bit bucket in the
> sky".
>
> MIDI-to-CD-ROM-readable-by-DK can be done, but the only device
> that could cost effectively do this, was the MIDIMAN tape-to-MIDI
> sync device.
>
> Altho I live in San Francisco, I tracked one used unit down via a
> shop in Toronto and bought it via Internet and phone combo.  It
> has sat in my garage with other MIDI spares for the past 2+ years
> (2 divorces ... don't ask).
>
> So -- Yamaha tech support says use this device.  I managed to get
> my hands on one.
>
> Your thoughts?
>
> --Aaron

Re: [disklavier] Re: difference in CD and floppy drives

2003-04-24 by Carol Beigel

I bought from QRS a Midiman CD Keyboard Player that says CompactDisc MIDI 
Player, so I could play QRS CDs on my MarkIIXG.  Works great.  I use a Sony 
Walkman CD player plugged into the CD-IN RCA plug on the back.  It also has 
a MIDI OUT on the back that plugs into the MIDI IN on the DKV control box.

I know this does NOT play Yamaha CDs - something about which of the two 
tracks the midi info is on.  I think QRS/Baldwin Concert Master and 
PianoDisc use the same format, and Yamaha uses the other option.  However, 
would this work with your software and the CD I would burn with this?

Carol Beigel
crbrpt@...





>From: "Mark A. Fontana" <mfontana@...>
>Reply-To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
>To: <disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re: difference in CD and floppy drives
>Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 21:45:48 -0500 (CDT)
>
>
>
>Aaron,
>
>The Yamaha control track sounds quite different from the MidiMan control
>track. Maybe Yamaha recommended the MidiMan encoder because the
>Disklavier is capable of playing QRS' format, which does use the MidiMan
>encoding? (Yamaha does not provide a software or hardware encoder for
>their own format.)
>
>Mark
>
>
>On Tue, 22 Apr 2003 Aaron.Zornes@... wrote:
>
> > Mark (Wisner?) or another great Yamaha tech support professional
> > walked me through "how to burn MIDI onto CD-ROM" 2+ years ago.
> >
> > That email is now *history* as my glorious IT department
> > implemented ARCHIVING of saved emails older than 6 months without
> > telling us ... and by archiving I mean to the "bit bucket in the
> > sky".
> >
> > MIDI-to-CD-ROM-readable-by-DK can be done, but the only device
> > that could cost effectively do this, was the MIDIMAN tape-to-MIDI
> > sync device.
> >
> > Altho I live in San Francisco, I tracked one used unit down via a
> > shop in Toronto and bought it via Internet and phone combo.  It
> > has sat in my garage with other MIDI spares for the past 2+ years
> > (2 divorces ... don't ask).
> >
> > So -- Yamaha tech support says use this device.  I managed to get
> > my hands on one.
> >
> > Your thoughts?
> >
> > --Aaron
>


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Re: [disklavier] Re: difference in CD and floppy drives

2003-06-02 by Aaron.Zornes@metagroup.com

Mark --

I found my MIDIMAN Tape Recorder Interface unti and manual in my
garage last week.

Care to test it out for Disklavier use?

I know a number of us woudl love to get our floppies onto a CD or
two instead of the mish-mash of floppie disks we have.

--Aaron




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Aaron,

The Yamaha control track sounds quite different from the MidiMan
control
track. Maybe Yamaha recommended the MidiMan encoder because the
Disklavier is capable of playing QRS' format, which does use the
MidiMan
encoding? (Yamaha does not provide a software or hardware encoder
for
their own format.)

Mark


On Tue, 22 Apr 2003 Aaron.Zornes@... wrote:

> Mark (Wisner?) or another great Yamaha tech support
professional
> walked me through "how to burn MIDI onto CD-ROM" 2+ years ago.
>
> That email is now *history* as my glorious IT department
> implemented ARCHIVING of saved emails older than 6 months
without
> telling us ... and by archiving I mean to the "bit bucket in
the
> sky".
>
> MIDI-to-CD-ROM-readable-by-DK can be done, but the only device
> that could cost effectively do this, was the MIDIMAN
tape-to-MIDI
> sync device.
>
> Altho I live in San Francisco, I tracked one used unit down via
a
> shop in Toronto and bought it via Internet and phone combo.  It
> has sat in my garage with other MIDI spares for the past 2+
years
> (2 divorces ... don't ask).
>
> So -- Yamaha tech support says use this device.  I managed to
get
> my hands on one.
>
> Your thoughts?
>
> --Aaron

                                                             
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Re: [disklavier] Re: difference in CD and floppy drives

2003-06-02 by PianoBench@aol.com

Good afternoon, everyone.

In a message dated 6/2/03 4:48:07 PM, Aaron writes:

<< Mark --

I found my MIDIMAN Tape Recorder Interface unti and manual in my
garage last week.

Care to test it out for Disklavier use?

I know a number of us woudl love to get our floppies onto a CD or
two instead of the mish-mash of floppie disks we have.>>

The MIDIMan Analog MIDI Interface (AMI) is a nifty device. QRS sells (or at 
least used to sell) a device that was nearly or completely the same. These 
devices could be used both for encoding MIDI as audio tones and for decoding MIDI 
in the form of audio tones.

For a while, Yamaha sold a similar box that had only the decoding (playback) 
feature. This box offered Disklavier customers the opportunity to play QRS 
MIDI CDs.

Currently, Yamaha's CD feature in the Mark III and the DCD1 plays three 
formats of MIDI encoded as audio: PianoSoft Plus Audio (Yamaha), QRS (or Baldwin 
Concertmaster - same format), and PianoDisc. The Yamaha CD units also play 
normal Audio CDs. They do not read MIDI files or data CD-ROMs of any kind.

The Yamaha audio encoding of MIDI data is based on a phase-shifted system. 
This technique allows for the encoding of full-resolution, full-bandwidth of 
MIDI. MIDI note on-messages, for example, can make use of all seven bits of data 
(128 increments).

QRS/MIDIMan, on the other hand, is based (I think) on frequency-shifting and 
therefore has a limitation of 16 increments of MIDI velocity (4-bit 
resolution). Furthermore, the QRS/MIDIMan system cannot support a 16-track MIDI file--at 
least that is what I have been told.

Depending upon the style of music and whether or not it is solo piano, you 
may or may not be happy with the QRS/MIDIMan results.

Regrettably, there is no publicly available tool for encoding MIDI data in 
the Yamaha format.

If you are looking for a way to archive and conveniently access a large 
library of MIDI recordings, I suggest a MIDI file player with a playlist feature on 
a computer. Van Basco (www.vanbasco.com) is a good program for Windows. i
Tunes is a good program for Mac (but will not output MIDI to an external device 
under OS X because of the current MIDI limitations of QuickTime under OS X).

You may find other useful MIDI players at the Shareware Music Machine 
(http://www.hitsquad.com/smm/).

Regards,
PianoBench

Re: [disklavier] Re: difference in CD and floppy drives

2003-06-02 by Mark A. Fontana

On Mon, 2 Jun 2003 Aaron Zornes wrote:

> I found my MIDIMAN Tape Recorder Interface unti and manual in my
> garage last week.
>
> Care to test it out for Disklavier use?
>
> I know a number of us woudl love to get our floppies onto a CD or
> two instead of the mish-mash of floppie disks we have.


I would be interested in the opportunity to examine the MidiMan
converter (Aaron, I'll contact you via email) but as PianoBench has
stated, the MidiMan/QRS/ConcertMaster format is different from and
inferior to the encoding used by Yamaha.

I'd also like to clarify one point- encoding to this format won't
eliminate having to use a pile of discs. Encoding the MIDI into a CD
audio channel still limits you to the playing time of the CD. That's
around 80 minutes with today's CD-Rs. My point is, with this scheme you
cannot copy *650 MB* of MIDI files onto a single CD, but rather only *80
minutes* of music at a time.

What we really need is for the Disklavier to support reading MIDI and
ESEQ files from data CDROMs with Joliet extended filenames. That would
let you do what you want... put a huge archive of MIDI files on a single
CD.

A competing solenoid player piano system- the Baldwin ConcertMaster,
already DOES have the ability to play from data CDs.  Yamaha might be
holding back on such a feature for technical reasons or concerns about
piracy.

As others have said- currently the best way for Disklavier owners to
manage a large music library is to use a separate laptop computer.

Mark Fontana

Re: [disklavier] Re: difference in CD and floppy drives

2003-06-02 by Mark A. Fontana

On Mon, 2 Jun 2003 PianoBench@... wrote:

> Currently, Yamaha's CD feature in the Mark III and the DCD1 plays three
> formats of MIDI encoded as audio: PianoSoft Plus Audio (Yamaha), QRS (or Baldwin
> Concertmaster - same format), and PianoDisc. The Yamaha CD units also play
> normal Audio CDs. They do not read MIDI files or data CD-ROMs of any kind.


A few weeks ago, I posted a link to a software utility I've written
which converts MIDI and ESEQ files into WAV files with PianoDisc-style
encoding.  The idea is that you burn the WAV files onto a CD-R using the
CD authoring tool of your choice, then the resulting CD should play on
the piano.

If the Mark III pianos are able to play PianoDisc CDs, it should be
possible for Disklavier owners to make their own CDs using this tool
(just make sure you select PianoDisc format).

Here's the link to the software again:

   http://dp70.dyndns.org/mid2pianocd/

If anyone tries this, please report back to the group on whether it was
successful or not.

If this works, it should be possible to make homemade piano+audio CDs
for the Disklavier using this approach, in conjunction with a decent
audio editor like CoolEdit.


Mark

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