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DC1A

2003-01-31 by cuteyngjoc@aol.com

Hey All,
       I'm glad to have heard about this group, and only being a member since 
yesterday, I hope that I can benefit from the wealth of knowledge of this 
group. My first question is this;
1) How can I turn down the acoustic piano's volume. This would be setting the 
piano to play below the factories lowest volume setting. It is way too loud. 
I can play the piano very softly. 
2) Is there a way to get my hands on the maintenance manuals so that I may 
calibrate the piano to my specifications?
3) When using the Smart Piano floppy with a commercial CD I have to turn the 
volume way up on the CD to drowned out the Acoustic piano so that there is an 
even balance between the two. I'm sure if I can solve quest. #1 then this 
would also be adjusted. 
4) Anyone out there have a Dampp-Chaser installed on their DC1A or DC2A? I 
just had one installed on mine. This tech used the typical grand setup 
although I've head of tech's using two smaller models. Any feedback here 
would be appreciated. I hope the installation method on mine was correct. 

Thank you for everyone's time in reading this lengthy email, and I hope 
everyone is having a wonderful week. 
John

Re: [disklavier] DC1A

2003-01-31 by Aaron.Zornes@metagroup.com

There are 3rd parties that sell foam baffles that fit around the
sound board and are hidden from sight.

I don;t have the name at hand as I have bought several times but
it has been 2+ years since I got my DC6A Mark III.

--Aaron in San Francisco



                                                                                                                   
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Hey All,
       I'm glad to have heard about this group, and only being a
member since yesterday, I hope that I can benefit from the wealth
of knowledge of this group. My first question is this;
1) How can I turn down the acoustic piano's volume. This would be
setting the piano to play below the factories lowest volume
setting. It is way too loud. I can play the piano very softly.
2) Is there a way to get my hands on the maintenance manuals so
that I may calibrate the piano to my specifications?
3) When using the Smart Piano floppy with a commercial CD I have
to turn the volume way up on the CD to drowned out the Acoustic
piano so that there is an even balance between the two. I'm sure
if I can solve quest. #1 then this would also be adjusted.
4) Anyone out there have a Dampp-Chaser installed on their DC1A
or DC2A? I just had one installed on mine. This tech used the
typical grand setup although I've head of tech's using two
smaller models. Any feedback here would be appreciated. I hope
the installation method on mine was correct.

Thank you for everyone's time in reading this lengthy email, and
I hope everyone is having a wonderful week.
John
                                                    
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Re: [disklavier] DC1A

2003-01-31 by cuteyngjoc@aol.com

Foam seems to be a monkey way of getting around the basics that Yamaha's player system needs to have the ability to be calibrated to play at a whisper. NOT a roar. I have had experience with QRS and Piano Disc and both these systems would play softly, even though you could hear the mechanisms which I didn't like. There has to be a way to adjust the strike or velocity of each note so that it plays just loud enough for the string to sound. Anyone?
John

Re: [disklavier] DC1A

2003-01-31 by Ed Spillane

--- cuteyngjoc@... wrote:
> Foam seems to be a monkey way of getting around the
> basics that Yamaha's 
> player system needs to have the ability to be
> calibrated to play at a 
> whisper. NOT a roar. I have had experience with QRS
> and Piano Disc and both 
> these systems would play softly, even though you
> could hear the mechanisms 
> which I didn't like. There has to be a way to adjust
> the strike or velocity 
> of each note so that it plays just loud enough for
> the string to sound. 
> Anyone?
> John
> 
Given the sophistication of the Yamaha Disklavier I
can understand why foam would seem to be an odd choice
to mitigate volume but............after adjusting for
everything else it inecessaryecassary to place foam
baffles under the instrument....(baffling isn't it?   
8-) )  In fact it is so common that I'd wager that any
Disklavier dealer would be able to sell you the
baffles.  Part of the beauty of the solution is that
they are quick and easy to install/uninstall.  

Often people need this modification because they
actually new to piano owbase liningd are baselining
their desired control level with their stereo.  Other
than playing the piano in silent mode, using the
sampled piano through the instrument's speaker (or
your stereo) using someattenuate physically atenuate
the power of the natural piano is probably the only
way.

Good Luck,

Ed

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Re: [disklavier] DC1A

2003-01-31 by Ed Spillane

Here's my reply in English :)   I don't know what
happened to the last one!

Given the sophistication of the Yamaha Disklavier I
can understand why foam would seem to be an odd choice
to mitigate volume but............after adjusting for
everything else it may be necassary to place foam
baffles under the instrument....(baffling isn't it?   
8-) )  In fact it is so common that I'd wager that any
Disklavier dealer would be able to sell you the
baffles.  Part of the beauty of the solution is that
they are quick and easy to install/uninstall.  

Often people need this modification because they
actually new to piano ownership and are baselining
their desired level of control with their stereo. 
Other than playing the piano in silent mode, using the
sampled piano through the instrument's speaker (or
your stereo) using something to physically attenuate 
the power of the natural piano is probably the only
way.

Good Luck,

Ed

--- Ed Spillane <spillaneed@...> wrote:
> 
> --- cuteyngjoc@... wrote:
> > Foam seems to be a monkey way of getting around
> the
> > basics that Yamaha's 
> > player system needs to have the ability to be
> > calibrated to play at a 
> > whisper. NOT a roar. I have had experience with
> QRS
> > and Piano Disc and both 
> > these systems would play softly, even though you
> > could hear the mechanisms 
> > which I didn't like. There has to be a way to
> adjust
> > the strike or velocity 
> > of each note so that it plays just loud enough for
> > the string to sound. 
> > Anyone?
> > John
> > 
> Given the sophistication of the Yamaha Disklavier I
> can understand why foam would seem to be an odd
> choice
> to mitigate volume but............after adjusting
> for
> everything else it inecessaryecassary to place foam
> baffles under the instrument....(baffling isn't it? 
>  
> 8-) )  In fact it is so common that I'd wager that
> any
> Disklavier dealer would be able to sell you the
> baffles.  Part of the beauty of the solution is that
> they are quick and easy to install/uninstall.  
> 
> Often people need this modification because they
> actually new to piano owbase liningd are baselining
> their desired control level with their stereo. 
> Other
> than playing the piano in silent mode, using the
> sampled piano through the instrument's speaker (or
> your stereo) using someattenuate physically atenuate
> the power of the natural piano is probably the only
> way.
> 
> Good Luck,
> 
> Ed
> 
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Re: [disklavier] DC1A

2003-01-31 by Robert Welcyng

There can be a good reason for considering foam baffles or a special 
blanket to attenuate your piano's loudness, as opposed to your turning 
down the DKV's volume control or scaling note velocities.  That reason 
is to maintain "dynamic range". (I'm assuming that the physical 
attenuator you choose is one that reduces all frequencies nearly equally 
and will not spoil the sound by filtering (coloring) it.)

By using such a sound attenuator, the loudness relationship between the 
loudest part of a piece and its softest part is preserved.  That is, 
while the overall sound power of what you hear is reduced, the decibel 
difference between loud and soft parts will not have changed.

In contrast, reducing the volume control or scaling velocities below 
MIDI values of 95 reduces the difference in loudness between loud and 
soft passages.   In the extreme, loud and soft parts are compressed to 
the same level.

If musical expression is important to you, you will want to hear the 
dynamic range of the artist's performance, while, understandably, 
reducing the volume to a comfortable listening level.  In that case, a 
baffle or blanket may be appropriate for you.

Many of the rooms in which we listen don't compare in size with a 
recital hall that might be appropriate for the piano we own.  In our 
rooms at home, the sound power per cubic foot--its density--may be too 
high for listening comfort.  Don't blame the piano for being too loud, 
but recognize the need to reduce its sound output for the size of your 
room.  Baffles or a blanket can accomplish that.

A common way of reducing sound power in a room is by adding absorbing 
materials--thick carpet, drapes, etc.  The problem with that approach is 
that inevitably the treble frequencies will be absorbed much more than 
the bass frequencies and your instrument will sound dull.



Ed Spillane wrote:
> Here's my reply in English :)   I don't know what
> happened to the last one!
> 
> Given the sophistication of the Yamaha Disklavier I
> can understand why foam would seem to be an odd choice
> to mitigate volume but............after adjusting for
> everything else it may be necassary to place foam
> baffles under the instrument....(baffling isn't it?   
> 8-) )  In fact it is so common that I'd wager that any
> Disklavier dealer would be able to sell you the
> baffles.  Part of the beauty of the solution is that
> they are quick and easy to install/uninstall.  
> 
> Often people need this modification because they
> actually new to piano ownership and are baselining
> their desired level of control with their stereo. 
> Other than playing the piano in silent mode, using the
> sampled piano through the instrument's speaker (or
> your stereo) using something to physically attenuate 
> the power of the natural piano is probably the only
> way.
> 
> Good Luck,
> 
> Ed
> 
> --- Ed Spillane <spillaneed@...> wrote:
> 
>>--- cuteyngjoc@... wrote:
>>
>>>Foam seems to be a monkey way of getting around
>>
>>the
>>
>>>basics that Yamaha's 
>>>player system needs to have the ability to be
>>>calibrated to play at a 
>>>whisper. NOT a roar. I have had experience with
>>
>>QRS
>>
>>>and Piano Disc and both 
>>>these systems would play softly, even though you
>>>could hear the mechanisms 
>>>which I didn't like. There has to be a way to
>>
>>adjust
>>
>>>the strike or velocity 
>>>of each note so that it plays just loud enough for
>>>the string to sound. 
>>>Anyone?
>>>John
>>>
>>
>>Given the sophistication of the Yamaha Disklavier I
>>can understand why foam would seem to be an odd
>>choice
>>to mitigate volume but............after adjusting
>>for
>>everything else it inecessaryecassary to place foam
>>baffles under the instrument....(baffling isn't it? 
>> 
>>8-) )  In fact it is so common that I'd wager that
>>any
>>Disklavier dealer would be able to sell you the
>>baffles.  Part of the beauty of the solution is that
>>they are quick and easy to install/uninstall.  
>>
>>Often people need this modification because they
>>actually new to piano owbase liningd are baselining
>>their desired control level with their stereo. 
>>Other
>>than playing the piano in silent mode, using the
>>sampled piano through the instrument's speaker (or
>>your stereo) using someattenuate physically atenuate
>>the power of the natural piano is probably the only
>>way.
>>
>>Good Luck,
>>
>>Ed
>>
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>>Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up
>>now.
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> 
> 
> 
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> 
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> disklavier-owner@...
> 
> To reach our group's web site go to:
> http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier
> 
> Todd's family web site was completely updated 01/15/03.  It contains some fun disklavier content and links to midi sites among many other things, The url is:
> http://MuncyFamily.com 
> 
> THINKING OF LEAVING THE GROUP?
> If you are thinking of unsubcribing because you are getting too much mail, go the the web site and change your email delivery option instead.  That will fix the problem, while maintaining your access to the group.  If you insist on leaving us completely send a blank email to:
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> 
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> 


-- 
Robert Welcyng
Anchorage, Alaska

Re: [disklavier] DC1A

2003-02-01 by Carol Beigel

Ask your dealer's technician to come out and adjust the ppp setting in the 
Maintenance mode.  This is the softest setting the piano action will play.  
At no time can the DKV play more softly than someone sitting at the keyboard 
can play it.  It is not a stereo system.  If this is not possible, email me 
privately and I will send you the instructions.

However, a DC1A has a built-in stereo system.  Turn on the Silent Mode and 
make sure the MIDI setting is Kybrd=out.  The volume is now infinitely 
adjustable but the piano part is through the tone generator and not the 
piano strings playing.

On the same knob as the volume, push it until the bottom light Balance 
lights up.  Make sure the tone generator balance is set to 100. Adjust this 
number up or down by pushing the Yes/No buttons. There is also a volume 
control knob on the amplifier located under the soundboard.

Dampp chasers are fine - especially 2 low wattage rods.  I would not use a 
humidifier installed under the soundboard or a 50 watt single rod.  YOu 
don't want to cook the electronic boards!

Ultimately, you can edit the data on the music files.  YOur piano keys play 
whatever is on Channel 1 and 2.  Use the veloset file (free in the file 
vault on this website) or better yet, use gnmidi utility to do this.  It's 
the best $35 program out there and a demo version is also available from 
this website!

Also, carpeting under the piano is very helpful, and so are those foam 
baffles.  The type of pour used in sound-absorbing foam is a soft, egg-crate 
type.  It's not hard to make your own.


Carol Beigel
crbrpt@...





>From: cuteyngjoc@...
>Reply-To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
>To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [disklavier] DC1A
>Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 12:10:06 EST
>
>Hey All,
>        I'm glad to have heard about this group, and only being a member 
>since
>yesterday, I hope that I can benefit from the wealth of knowledge of this
>group. My first question is this;
>1) How can I turn down the acoustic piano's volume. This would be setting 
>the
>piano to play below the factories lowest volume setting. It is way too 
>loud.
>I can play the piano very softly.
>2) Is there a way to get my hands on the maintenance manuals so that I may
>calibrate the piano to my specifications?
>3) When using the Smart Piano floppy with a commercial CD I have to turn 
>the
>volume way up on the CD to drowned out the Acoustic piano so that there is 
>an
>even balance between the two. I'm sure if I can solve quest. #1 then this
>would also be adjusted.
>4) Anyone out there have a Dampp-Chaser installed on their DC1A or DC2A? I
>just had one installed on mine. This tech used the typical grand setup
>although I've head of tech's using two smaller models. Any feedback here
>would be appreciated. I hope the installation method on mine was correct.
>
>Thank you for everyone's time in reading this lengthy email, and I hope
>everyone is having a wonderful week.
>John


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Re: [disklavier] DC1A

2003-02-01 by chadwick61@msn.com

John,
The piano hammers might be a source of the loudness or brightness your hearing. Lowering the velocities to also slow down the hammer travel and then playback performances will sound uneven at the lowest volume setting. After your technician does the proper pedal and playback maintenance service have the tech look into voicing the hammers.
When I picked up my first GH-1 it was so bright you could almost see in the dark by it! The hammers needed some fairly deep needling in the shoulders of the felt and then some light needling on the strike point itself. It improved the tone considerably and the piano fit well into the room with it's low ceiling and small area. Make sure that your technician is comfortable with hammer voicing procedures as it is easy enough to wreck a set of hammers also. If the piano has been used a lot already and their are deep grooves in the hammers from high use than first "filing" the hammer felt would be the thing to do before needle voicing is done
With the Dampp Chaser...Make sure it is always in operation! Also, have your tech replace the "wicking pads" in the water vessel at least once a year.
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From: cuteyngjoc@...
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To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [disklavier] DC1A
Hey All,
I'm glad to have heard about this group, and only being a member since yesterday, I hope that I can benefit from the wealth of knowledge of this group. My first question is this;
1) How can I turn down the acoustic piano's volume. This would be setting the piano to play below the factories lowest volume setting. It is way too loud. I can play the piano very softly.
2) Is there a way to get my hands on the maintenance manuals so that I may calibrate the piano to my specifications?
3) When using the Smart Piano floppy with a commercial CD I have to turn the volume way up on the CD to drowned out the Acoustic piano so that there is an even balance between the two. I'm sure if I can solve quest. #1 then this would also be adjusted.
4) Anyone out there have a Dampp-Chaser installed on their DC1A or DC2A? I just had one installed on mine. This tech used the typical grand setup although I've head of tech's using two smaller models. Any feedback here would be appreciated. I hope the installation method on mine was correct.

Thank you for everyone's time in reading this lengthy email, and I hope everyone is having a wonderful week.
John

Re: [disklavier] DC1A

2003-02-01 by cuteyngjoc@aol.com

Carol, 
       Thank you for your time and responce, it is greatly appreciated. I 
would like for you to send me those instructions please on the PPP setting. 
My piano is the most soft sounding Yamaha my tech has every heard. We 
actually have to brighten it a great deal so that the level of expression is 
greater... you can punch the hell out of the key and not get much of a 
quality expression. This is very rare for yamaha's so he says. 
       As far as the Dampp Chaser, my tech installed the typical grand 
system. It has a total of 3 rods i believe, and 1 tank. The tank is located 
as close to the middle of the soundboard as possible just to the right of the 
main computer underneath. Please add your thoughts here.
       As far as foam baffles, i'm not sure i'd want to do that, nor could I 
with the dampp chaser unit.... it hangs down quite far.
       I'm not sure where you were going with the mute rail and the 
keybrd=out setting. I don't want to hear the midi piano, i'm only interested 
in the acoustic playback.
       Possibly it would be best if we could speak on the phone, as emails 
get quite lengthy and a phone conversation could be much quicker, if you are 
comfortable with that. My number is 760 949-8888 or I could call you. I'm in 
CA. 
       My piano is located in a carpeted room that is approx 15x13 I think 
lol. 
Looking forward to talking with your further, and THANK YOU so much for your 
time and response!
John

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