Disklavier

Hello.
I'm trying to see If i can make a pianosmart file
without either bying it or recording it by playing on
my disklavier manually. Right now i'm trying with
cakewalk sonar to synch the audio (CD) file with the
MIDI file that I already have of the song. Any
thoughts/ideas/suggestions for how to export a midi
file with time code so that it would synchronize with
the CD when played on the disklavier?
Any help would be greatly appreciated. 
Thanks
Sean


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This sounds like one for Carol.

But as far as I know, the Midi data is NOT midi as such, but an AUDIO 
signal recorded as an "audio data" track and the unit converts this 
audio "noise" back into midi. Much like a modem does.

Have I got that right Carol?

Midi Magic



--- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, Sean Ages <macaw22@y...> wrote:

> Hello.
> I'm trying to see If i can make a pianosmart file
> without either bying it or recording it by playing on
> my disklavier manually. Right now i'm trying with
> cakewalk sonar to synch the audio (CD) file with the
> MIDI file that I already have of the song. Any
> thoughts/ideas/suggestions for how to export a midi
> file with time code so that it would synchronize with
> the CD when played on the disklavier?
> Any help would be greatly appreciated. 
> Thanks
> Sean
> 
> 
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On Wed, 9 Apr 2003, midi_magic2000 wrote:
> This sounds like one for Carol.
> But as far as I know, the Midi data is NOT midi as such, but an AUDIO
> signal recorded as an "audio data" track and the unit converts this
> audio "noise" back into midi. Much like a modem does.
> Have I got that right Carol?
> Midi Magic

I think thats how the Pianosoft Plus Audio CD's work (and how Pianodisk
software is done). With Pianosmart you get a normal floppy disk for your
disklavier containing files which are synced against MIDI time code
(MTC). You then put your original audio CD into the player along with the
floppy and the disklavier magically syncronises the two.

I'd be interested to know people get on with this- and also hear from
anyone that has some Pianosmart disks and the dkvtools (e.g. are the files
just normal e-seq files?)

Regards,

James

Midi Magic,
I was referring to pianosmart, not pianosoft plus
audio. Pianosmart is the system in which a floppy disc
midi file is synchronized with a regular audio CD.
Sorry for any confusion.
-Sean

--- midi_magic2000 <magic_midi@...> wrote:
> This sounds like one for Carol.
> 
> But as far as I know, the Midi data is NOT midi as
> such, but an AUDIO 
> signal recorded as an "audio data" track and the
> unit converts this 
> audio "noise" back into midi. Much like a modem
> does.
> 
> Have I got that right Carol?
> 
> Midi Magic
> 
> 
> 
> --- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, Sean Ages
> <macaw22@y...> wrote:
> > Hello.
> > I'm trying to see If i can make a pianosmart file
> > without either bying it or recording it by playing
> on
> > my disklavier manually. Right now i'm trying with
> > cakewalk sonar to synch the audio (CD) file with
> the
> > MIDI file that I already have of the song. Any
> > thoughts/ideas/suggestions for how to export a
> midi
> > file with time code so that it would synchronize
> with
> > the CD when played on the disklavier?
> > Any help would be greatly appreciated. 
> > Thanks
> > Sean
> > 
> > 
> > __________________________________________________
> > Do you Yahoo!?
> > Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators,
> forms, and more
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> 
> 


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This is all too new for me to be sure how all this works.  I think, though, 
that the PianoSmart uses MTC, MIDI Time Code.  You can probably do this with 
Cakewalk Sonar.  I think you would make the MIDI recording for the piano 
part just like you would do in the piano.  Put both the CD you want to 
record with in the CD player of your computer, and record in real time using 
a MIDI keyboard.  There must be "something" on the CD that give a time code. 
  Otherwise, maybe it is just timing.  Perhaps the MIDI recording is just 
that - at a very specific certain time, it starts playing/recording.  You 
could probably sync to a wave file.

I know that on the DKV, you put the CD you want to play/record with into the 
CD player, and a floppy disk into the drive and then just hit Record.  It 
works because I have done it with the sample CDs that come with DKVs.

This probably is not much help, but it is all I know.



Carol Beigel
crbrpt@...





>From: "midi_magic2000" <magic_midi@...>
>Reply-To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
>To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [disklavier] Re: possible to make PianoSmart file?
>Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 08:41:33 -0000
>
>This sounds like one for Carol.
>
>But as far as I know, the Midi data is NOT midi as such, but an AUDIO
>signal recorded as an "audio data" track and the unit converts this
>audio "noise" back into midi. Much like a modem does.
>
>Have I got that right Carol?
>
>Midi Magic
>
>
>
>--- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, Sean Ages <macaw22@y...> wrote:
> > Hello.
> > I'm trying to see If i can make a pianosmart file
> > without either bying it or recording it by playing on
> > my disklavier manually. Right now i'm trying with
> > cakewalk sonar to synch the audio (CD) file with the
> > MIDI file that I already have of the song. Any
> > thoughts/ideas/suggestions for how to export a midi
> > file with time code so that it would synchronize with
> > the CD when played on the disklavier?
> > Any help would be greatly appreciated.
> > Thanks
> > Sean
> >
> >
> > __________________________________________________
> > Do you Yahoo!?
> > Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more
> > http://tax.yahoo.com
>


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On Fri, 11 Apr 2003, Carol Beigel wrote:
> This is all too new for me to be sure how all this works.  I think, though,
> that the PianoSmart uses MTC, MIDI Time Code.  You can probably do this with
> Cakewalk Sonar.  I think you would make the MIDI recording for the piano
> part just like you would do in the piano.  Put both the CD you want to
> record with in the CD player of your computer, and record in real time using
> a MIDI keyboard.  There must be "something" on the CD that give a time code.
>   Otherwise, maybe it is just timing.  Perhaps the MIDI recording is just
> that - at a very specific certain time, it starts playing/recording.  You
> could probably sync to a wave file.

Hi Carol,

MTC is basically just SMPTE for MIDI - ie its a simple time protocol and
is based on "normal" time, ie hours minutes seconds frames, and the
messages are very similar. Since a CD plays back at a constant bit rate
its quite easy to calculate the times. Apparently on an audio CD there are
75 frames of audio per second, and it is supposedly trivial to synchronise
the two together, but how easy this is for a disklavier I don't know until
I get one. In the case of playback the CD player would be the MTC master
source, and the disklavier would play the data back coordinated with that.

> I know that on the DKV, you put the CD you want to play/record with into the
> CD player, and a floppy disk into the drive and then just hit Record.  It
> works because I have done it with the sample CDs that come with DKVs.
> This probably is not much help, but it is all I know.

MTC is sent as system exclusive midi messages, so it should be really easy
to create something in Sonar or similar and just copy it over to a floppy
and get it to work, but I have no way of knowing for sure, unless someone
could play along to a commercial CD that I also own and send me the file
the disklavier made. If you have a computer near the disklavier you can
always play them back using the computer - not as convenient however.

Regards,

James