Selling
2003-06-10 by Layne Thomas
I am considering selling a Yamaha Disklavier. Can anyone provide direction to determining value? Thanks, Layne
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Selling
RE: [disklavier] Selling
2003-06-10 by Todd Muncy
A good start would be to look at our pricing database for similar comparisons. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/disklavier/database
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-----Original Message----- From: Layne Thomas [mailto:l.thomas@...] Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 1:54 PM To: disklavier@... Subject: [disklavier] Selling I am considering selling a Yamaha Disklavier. Can anyone provide direction to determining value? Thanks, Layne Yahoo! Groups Sponsor <http://rd.yahoo.com/M=251812.3170658.4537139.1261774/D=egroupweb/S=1705 032012:HM/A=1564416/R=0/SIG=11ti81skc/*http:/www.netflix.com/Default?mqs o=60164797&partid=3170658> <http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=251812.3170658.4537139.1261774/D=egrou pmail/S=:HM/A=1564416/rand=295751921> To Post a message to the group, send it to: disklavier@... To Post a private message to Todd Muncy, the group's founder and moderator, send it to: disklavier-owner@... To reach our group's web site go to: http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier Todd's family web site was completely updated 01/15/03. It contains some fun disklavier content and links to midi sites among many other things, The url is: http://MuncyFamily.com THINKING OF LEAVING THE GROUP? If you are thinking of unsubcribing because you are getting too much mail, go the the web site and change your email delivery option instead. That will fix the problem, while maintaining your access to the group. If you insist on leaving us completely send a blank email to: disklavier-unsubscribe@... Know someone who wants to join? Have them send a blank email to: disklavier-subscribe@... or give them this link: http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier/join Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> Terms of Service.
RE: [disklavier] Selling
2003-06-10 by Douglas J. Miller
Sure
Layne,
Yamaha
pianos do not last very long. It's one reason the Disklaiver is only
offered on new Yamaha pianos.
Considering the mark up when you bought the piano, and how quickly the
electronics become outdated, you should probably try to sell the piano at about
one tenth of it's original purchase price.
Doug
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-----Original Message-----I am considering selling a Yamaha Disklavier. Can anyone provide direction
From: Layne Thomas [mailto:l.thomas@...]
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 10:54 AM
To: disklavier@...
Subject: [disklavier] Selling
to determining value?
Thanks,
Layne
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Re: [disklavier] Selling
2003-06-10 by PianoBench@aol.com
Good afternoon, everyone. With all due respect to Doug, I would like to offer an adamant and contrary opinion to most of what he has to say. In the interest of full disclosure, I will point out the fact that I am a consultant to Yamaha's Piano Division in the US. Please take my opinions with a large grain of salt if you wish. In a message dated 6/10/03 3:32:32 PM, Doug writes: << Yamaha pianos do not last very long.>> I believe that if you were to conduct a survey at a Piano Technicians Guild convention, you would find few technicians who would agree with this statement. My first experience with Yamaha pianos was with a 1971 P2F upright. I pounded on it during 3 years of conservatory graduate school and several years after that during the period in which it was my primary instrument. Although it received less use in recent years, it is still an excellent piano in its category and holds its tune well. <<It's one reason the Disklaiver is only offered on new Yamaha pianos.>> I can tell you with absolute certainty that Yamaha seriously considered offering Disklavier units as a retrofit. The decision not to do so was based largely on the fact that it would be a huge challenge to train and monitor an army of independent installers, deal with associated warranty issues, and similar matters. The decision had nothing to do with the longevity of the instrument itself. <<Considering the mark up when you bought the piano, and how quickly the electronics become outdated, you should probably try to sell the piano at about one tenth of it's original purchase price. >> About a year and a half ago, I had the experience of selling a DC6 that was made in 1992 in order to purchase a used DC6Pro. At the time that I sold the instrument to another teacher, the piano itself was in beautiful condition despite all of my playing on it as well as the repeated playing of disks. I had upgraded the electronics from a Mark II to a Mark IIXG. The current owner can now add a DCD1 to it and have most of the functionality of a Mark III piano. I do agree that the electronics become dated. However, my experience with the enduring quality of the instrument itself, the upgradability that I have experienced with the electronics, and the availability of other add-ons leads me to challenge unequivocally the notion that one should expect to sell one's Disklavier for 1/10th of the original purchase price. I personally believe that all new pianos depreciate a bit in their first few years so that they sell for less than new instruments. Subsequently, the best instruments that are kept in good condition may experience some appreciation due to inflation. It is true that a Disklavier has both an acoustic piano part and an electronics parts. It is probably reasonable to assume that the electronics part depreciates faster than the piano part. Regards, PianoBench
Re: [disklavier] Selling
2003-06-10 by Mike Kline
To all concerned:
Mr. Miller should have disclosed he works for a Los
Angles Steinway dealership.
This forum was started and maintained by Todd
with forthrightness and honesty in mind.
- Mike Kline
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----- Original Message -----From: PianoBench@...Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 4:01 PMSubject: Re: [disklavier] SellingGood afternoon, everyone.
With all due respect to Doug, I would like to offer an adamant and contrary
opinion to most of what he has to say. In the interest of full disclosure, I
will point out the fact that I am a consultant to Yamaha's Piano Division in the
US. Please take my opinions with a large grain of salt if you wish.
In a message dated 6/10/03 3:32:32 PM, Doug writes:
<< Yamaha pianos do not last very long.>>
I believe that if you were to conduct a survey at a Piano Technicians Guild
convention, you would find few technicians who would agree with this statement.
My first experience with Yamaha pianos was with a 1971 P2F upright. I pounded
on it during 3 years of conservatory graduate school and several years after
that during the period in which it was my primary instrument. Although it
received less use in recent years, it is still an excellent piano in its category
and holds its tune well.
<
offered on new Yamaha pianos.>>
I can tell you with absolute certainty that Yamaha seriously considered
offering Disklavier units as a retrofit. The decision not to do so was based
largely on the fact that it would be a huge challenge to train and monitor an army
of independent installers, deal with associated warranty issues, and similar
matters. The decision had nothing to do with the longevity of the instrument
itself.
<
electronics become outdated, you should probably try to sell the piano at
about one tenth of it's original purchase price. >>
About a year and a half ago, I had the experience of selling a DC6 that was
made in 1992 in order to purchase a used DC6Pro. At the time that I sold the
instrument to another teacher, the piano itself was in beautiful condition
despite all of my playing on it as well as the repeated playing of disks. I had
upgraded the electronics from a Mark II to a Mark IIXG. The current owner can now
add a DCD1 to it and have most of the functionality of a Mark III piano.
I do agree that the electronics become dated. However, my experience with the
enduring quality of the instrument itself, the upgradability that I have
experienced with the electronics, and the availability of other add-ons leads me
to challenge unequivocally the notion that one should expect to sell one's
Disklavier for 1/10th of the original purchase price.
I personally believe that all new pianos depreciate a bit in their first few
years so that they sell for less than new instruments. Subsequently, the best
instruments that are kept in good condition may experience some appreciation
due to inflation.
It is true that a Disklavier has both an acoustic piano part and an
electronics parts. It is probably reasonable to assume that the electronics part
depreciates faster than the piano part.
Regards,
PianoBench
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RE: [disklavier] Selling
2003-06-10 by Todd Muncy
I pulled up the Fields Piano web site http://www.fieldspianos.com <http://www.fieldspianos.com/> and they are both a Steinway and a Yamaha dealership. I looked and looked, but nowhere could I find their selection of used Disklaviers at 90% off original new prices. Perhaps Mr. Miller could post a list for us. Fields appears to be an authorized dealer. Does Yamaha have a clause about product disparagement (or maybe slander) as part of their dealer contracts? Unlike DUG, this group is not sponsored by Yamaha and everyone is free to politely express their opinions. On the other hand, there are plenty of Yamaha employees here and we can't protect you from civil contract law. In any case, it is inconceivable to me that someone who owns or is employed by a Yamaha dealer would say such a thing. If you own the place, drop the Yamaha line. If you work there, quit and go somewhere else before your boss reads that and fires your ass.
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-----Original Message----- From: Mike Kline [mailto:mekline@...] Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 4:18 PM To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [disklavier] Selling To all concerned: Mr. Miller should have disclosed he works for a Los Angles Steinway dealership. This forum was started and maintained by Todd with forthrightness and honesty in mind. - Mike Kline - ----- Original Message ----- From: PianoBench@... To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 4:01 PM Subject: Re: [disklavier] Selling Good afternoon, everyone. With all due respect to Doug, I would like to offer an adamant and contrary opinion to most of what he has to say. In the interest of full disclosure, I will point out the fact that I am a consultant to Yamaha's Piano Division in the US. Please take my opinions with a large grain of salt if you wish. In a message dated 6/10/03 3:32:32 PM, Doug writes: << Yamaha pianos do not last very long.>> I believe that if you were to conduct a survey at a Piano Technicians Guild convention, you would find few technicians who would agree with this statement. My first experience with Yamaha pianos was with a 1971 P2F upright. I pounded on it during 3 years of conservatory graduate school and several years after that during the period in which it was my primary instrument. Although it received less use in recent years, it is still an excellent piano in its category and holds its tune well. <<It's one reason the Disklaiver is only offered on new Yamaha pianos.>> I can tell you with absolute certainty that Yamaha seriously considered offering Disklavier units as a retrofit. The decision not to do so was based largely on the fact that it would be a huge challenge to train and monitor an army of independent installers, deal with associated warranty issues, and similar matters. The decision had nothing to do with the longevity of the instrument itself. <<Considering the mark up when you bought the piano, and how quickly the electronics become outdated, you should probably try to sell the piano at about one tenth of it's original purchase price. >> About a year and a half ago, I had the experience of selling a DC6 that was made in 1992 in order to purchase a used DC6Pro. At the time that I sold the instrument to another teacher, the piano itself was in beautiful condition despite all of my playing on it as well as the repeated playing of disks. I had upgraded the electronics from a Mark II to a Mark IIXG. The current owner can now add a DCD1 to it and have most of the functionality of a Mark III piano. I do agree that the electronics become dated. However, my experience with the enduring quality of the instrument itself, the upgradability that I have experienced with the electronics, and the availability of other add-ons leads me to challenge unequivocally the notion that one should expect to sell one's Disklavier for 1/10th of the original purchase price. I personally believe that all new pianos depreciate a bit in their first few years so that they sell for less than new instruments. Subsequently, the best instruments that are kept in good condition may experience some appreciation due to inflation. It is true that a Disklavier has both an acoustic piano part and an electronics parts. It is probably reasonable to assume that the electronics part depreciates faster than the piano part. Regards, PianoBench To Post a message to the group, send it to: disklavier@... To Post a private message to Todd Muncy, the group's founder and moderator, send it to: disklavier-owner@... 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Re: [disklavier] Selling
2003-06-10 by sold@weblistings.com
Well put, Todd. I bought a used Disklavier after shopping for many months. Let me tell you that Disklavier owners are proud of them, and still want close to retail for them. I finally got mine for about 75% of what it sold for when it was new, and about 1/2 of what a new one would have been. That's better resale than a Porsche. -Ken
Re: [disklavier] Selling
2003-06-10 by mae121864@aol.com
What a jackass
RE: [disklavier] Selling
2003-06-11 by Ken Hanba
Talk
to a local dealer, be honest. They are a good source for this market
information.
Ken
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-----Original Message-----I am considering selling a Yamaha Disklavier. Can anyone provide direction
From: Layne Thomas [mailto:l.thomas@...t]
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 12:54 PM
To: disklavier@...
Subject: [disklavier] Selling
to determining value?
Thanks,
Layne
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