Disklavier

Hi everyone, I'm new to this group, having just purchased a used 
MX100B.  I have a problem that I thought maybe someone in this group 
has a solution for.  I would like to use this in a live performance -
 however I need to have the keys to some of the songs transposed for 
the singers.  I am not sure if the MX100B will "transpose" on the 
fly, so instead I had the idea that I would use another Yamaha P-150 
Electric Piano and hook it up through the MIDI ports.  I was able to 
get it to work with one small problem.  Everytime that I play the P-
150 keyboard, there is a 500msec delay till you hear the 
Disklavier.  Is there any way to prevent this delay?  Maybe there is 
something I could purchase (like an upgrade) to prevent this delay?  
Any ideas would help?

Thanks.

--Jason

I believe the MX100B will transpose on the fly.  Push the transpose button
(should be the under the + button).  Probably pushing + or - will transpose
up or down.  If you use the P-150, you will either have to turn off the 500
ms delay on the P-150 out, or turn it off on the DKV incoming.  However, I
am not sure that can be switched on either instrument.  Check you user's
manuals.

Carol Beigel

----- Original Message -----
From: "steinja66" <jstein@...>
To: <disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 12:43 PM
Subject: [disklavier] MX100B for live performance


> Hi everyone, I'm new to this group, having just purchased a used
> MX100B.  I have a problem that I thought maybe someone in this group
> has a solution for.  I would like to use this in a live performance -
> however I need to have the keys to some of the songs transposed for
> the singers.  I am not sure if the MX100B will "transpose" on the
> fly, so instead I had the idea that I would use another Yamaha P-150
> Electric Piano and hook it up through the MIDI ports.  I was able to
> get it to work with one small problem.  Everytime that I play the P-
> 150 keyboard, there is a 500msec delay till you hear the
> Disklavier.  Is there any way to prevent this delay?  Maybe there is
> something I could purchase (like an upgrade) to prevent this delay?
> Any ideas would help?
>
> Thanks.
>
> --Jason
>
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I'm going to surmise that Jason would like a means to play the MX100B 
from the piano keyboard (not reproduce a pre-recorded file) in a 
different key.  Many electronic keyboards can do that--you play a piece 
in C and, with a twist of the transpose knob, play the same keyboard 
keys but your song comes out in the newly selected key.  On an acoustic 
piano, it takes some skill for a pianist to transpose keys on the fly.

If you think about it, the DKV is a mechanical piano. To accomplish the 
above as an electronic keyboard does, the whole keyboard action would 
have to shift left or right so that the hammers would strike other strings.

In case Jason meant changing the key of a file being reproduced, that is 
trivial.  Refer to the user's manual.

You can also remove the 500 msec delay from acoustic DKVs (consult the 
manual), but I don't believe you'll care for the resulting sounds. And, 
playing a DKV from an external keyboard probably isn't such a neat idea 
for reasons that you would discover--difficulty controlling dynamics 
coupled with the unrealistic tactile feedback and on/off pedal.

I believe you have two viable options:

1) Transpose the sheet music to the needed key and have the accompanist 
play it live that way.  (Sibelius or Finale software would be useful here.)

or

2)  Forget the piano and accompany with an electronic keyboard and synth 
and use the transpose knob.

Carol Beigel wrote:
> I believe the MX100B will transpose on the fly.  Push the transpose button
> (should be the under the + button).  Probably pushing + or - will transpose
> up or down.  If you use the P-150, you will either have to turn off the 500
> ms delay on the P-150 out, or turn it off on the DKV incoming.  However, I
> am not sure that can be switched on either instrument.  Check you user's
> manuals.
> 
> Carol Beigel
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "steinja66" <jstein@...>
> To: <disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 12:43 PM
> Subject: [disklavier] MX100B for live performance
> 
> 
> 
>>Hi everyone, I'm new to this group, having just purchased a used
>>MX100B.  I have a problem that I thought maybe someone in this group
>>has a solution for.  I would like to use this in a live performance -
>>however I need to have the keys to some of the songs transposed for
>>the singers.  I am not sure if the MX100B will "transpose" on the
>>fly, so instead I had the idea that I would use another Yamaha P-150
>>Electric Piano and hook it up through the MIDI ports.  I was able to
>>get it to work with one small problem.  Everytime that I play the P-
>>150 keyboard, there is a 500msec delay till you hear the
>>Disklavier.  Is there any way to prevent this delay?  Maybe there is
>>something I could purchase (like an upgrade) to prevent this delay?
>>Any ideas would help?
>>
>>Thanks.
>>
>>--Jason
>>
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-- 
Robert Welcyng
Anchorage, Alaska

Hi Jason,

The Disklavier incorporates a 500msec delay when it receives MIDI data
in order to be able to play more accurately. There is a "secret" mode on
the MX100B called "Realtime MIDI-IN Mode. To access it, power up while
holding in the MIDI button. Continue holding the MIDI button until
MIDIOUT=DELAYOUT is displayed. Release the MIDI button and press the
METRONOME button. The LED on the METRONOME button will light, the LCD
will not change. You are now in Realtime MIDI-IN Mode.

It isn't exactly Realtime in. What you will find is the higher the
velocity of the note data going into the Disklavier, the faster the
Disklavier will respond. For instance, a note with a velocity of 20 will
take 212ms before it is played back by the Disklavier. A note with a
velocity of 127 will take 32ms before it is played back by the
Disklavier. This is the variable range you will experience while in this
mode. By feeding it higher velocities, you can pretty well use the
Disklavier as a "tone generator."

It is possible that your MX100B may not be able to perform in this
mode. It may not have ROMs on the control board that are new enough. The
way to know if your Disklavier can access this mode, try powering up
while depressing the MIDI button with no disk in the disk drive. If the
LCD displays "INSERT DISK", you will need to have new ROMs installed on
the control board of the piano.

I hope this information helps!

Bill Brandom
Senior Technical  Manager, Piano Division 
YAMAHA Corporation of America 
TEL (800) 854-1569  FAX (714) 522-9424
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>>> jstein@... 10/07/2003 9:43:48 AM >>>
Hi everyone, I'm new to this group, having just purchased a used 
MX100B.  I have a problem that I thought maybe someone in this group 
has a solution for.  I would like to use this in a live performance -
 however I need to have the keys to some of the songs transposed for 
the singers.  I am not sure if the MX100B will "transpose" on the 
fly, so instead I had the idea that I would use another Yamaha P-150 
Electric Piano and hook it up through the MIDI ports.  I was able to 
get it to work with one small problem.  Everytime that I play the P-
150 keyboard, there is a 500msec delay till you hear the 
Disklavier.  Is there any way to prevent this delay?  Maybe there is 
something I could purchase (like an upgrade) to prevent this delay?  
Any ideas would help?

Thanks.

--Jason


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Thanks to Bill Brandom and everyone else, I'm playing on the P-150 
and it's sounding out on the MX100B accoustically.  It's not 
perfect, but I'm a happy camper.

Thanks, Bill.

--Jason

--- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, PianoBench@a... wrote:
> Good morning, everyone.
> 
> In a message dated 10/7/03 12:45:36 PM, Jason writes:
> 
> > I would like to use this in a live performance -
> > however I need to have the keys to some of the songs transposed 
for
> > the singers.  I am not sure if the MX100B will "transpose" on the
> > fly, so instead I had the idea that I would use another Yamaha P-
150
> > Electric Piano and hook it up through the MIDI ports.  I was 
able to
> > get it to work with one small problem.  Everytime that I play 
the P-
> > 150 keyboard, there is a 500msec delay till you hear the
> > Disklavier.  Is there any way to prevent this delay?  Maybe 
there is
> > something I could purchase (like an upgrade) to prevent this 
delay? 
> > Any ideas would help?
> > 
> Bill Brandom answered the crucial issue. Here are some follow-up 
thoughts:
> 
> If you don't mind the sluggishness between playing a note on your 
P-150 and 
> hearing it on the Disklavier, you may want to proceed to adjusting 
the volume 
> response of the Disklavier to incoming MIDI data. I would not be 
surprised if 
> the instrument seems too loud. If you press the Disklavier's MIDI 
button, after 
> two seconds you will see a screen on which you can adjust the MIDI 
In volume 
> level.
> 
> As for the transposition issue, this is normally handled by the 
sending 
> keyboard. I don't know how this is done on the P-150, but it is 
probably pretty 
> easy. Interestingly, your model of Disklavier will also transpose 
incoming MIDI 
> data. To do so, press the MIDI button and then press the 
TRANS/BEAT button to 

> access the screen where you can adjust the MIDI In transposition. 
> 
> Regards,
> PianoBench