Disklavier

A few questions.

1) I hear some folks say dis-kla-VEER when pronouncing it and others say dis-CLAY-
vee-er.  Which is right?


2) A frustration I've had lately is that I want all the additional precision that the Pro 
models offer but I don't want to pay the exorbitant price.  I'm fine with a baby grand 
but I want all the recording sensitivity that the pro-models have.

So I was thinking, why not retrofit a baby grand with the pro disklavier functionality?  
Is this worth it?  Is the high cost of the pro models more a function of the disklavier 
part or the actual piano hardware?  It seems like the disklavier stuff shouldn't be much 
more expensive at the low end than at the high end.  In fact, I suspect that much of 
what you're paying for is the intellectual property and not the physical electronics and 
hardware that are required.  Am I totally off base or is this actually a good idea?

Thanks,
Carl

If you own a DKV, I contend that, having paid big bucks, you're 
privileged to call it anything you'd like. Your choice might depend upon 
whether you drink tah-may-toe juice or tah-mah-toe juice. My personal 
theory is that the name derives from the German "Klavier" (translated 
piano(forte)) which is pronounced KLAH-vee-air, so I believe it should 
be pronounced dis-klah-vee-air.

Re your question about converting another piano to a Pro, in my 
innocence I once posed the question of such an upgrade kit to a (now 
former) employee who was head of Yamaha's Service Department at Buena 
Park.  He told me (approximately) that Yamaha does not market such a 
kit, but that I could always purchase a Pro and cannibalize the parts to 
upgrade my Mark II.  Smart guy!

Carl Youngblood wrote:
> A few questions.
> 
> 1) I hear some folks say dis-kla-VEER when pronouncing it and others say dis-CLAY-
> vee-er.  Which is right?
> 
> 
> 2) A frustration I've had lately is that I want all the additional precision that the Pro 
> models offer but I don't want to pay the exorbitant price.  I'm fine with a baby grand 
> but I want all the recording sensitivity that the pro-models have.
> 
> So I was thinking, why not retrofit a baby grand with the pro disklavier functionality?  
> Is this worth it?  Is the high cost of the pro models more a function of the disklavier 
> part or the actual piano hardware?  It seems like the disklavier stuff shouldn't be much 
> more expensive at the low end than at the high end.  In fact, I suspect that much of 
> what you're paying for is the intellectual property and not the physical electronics and 
> hardware that are required.  Am I totally off base or is this actually a good idea?
> 
> Thanks,
> Carl
> 
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-- 
Robert Welcyng
Anchorage, Alaska

The difference between the Pro models and the regular
Disklaviers is in the electronics, software, and
hardware.  The technology is totally different.  The
pianos are the same.  If you want a Pro, then trade up.

Carol Beigel

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Carl Youngblood" <carl@...>
To: <disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 5:58 PM
Subject: [disklavier] Piano vs disklavier cost ratio


> A few questions.
>

> So I was thinking, why not retrofit a baby grand with
the pro disklavier functionality?
> Is this worth it?  Is the high cost of the pro models
more a function of the disklavier
> part or the actual piano hardware?  It seems like the
disklavier stuff shouldn't be much
> more expensive at the low end than at the high end.
In fact, I suspect that much of
> what you're paying for is the intellectual property
and not the physical electronics and
> hardware that are required.  Am I totally off base or
is this actually a good idea?

>
> Thanks,
> Carl

The reason I asked this is because I heard others saying that you can 
have a Yamaha-certified technician add disklavier functionality to a 
piano after you've already purchased it.  If this is the case, why 
couldn't you buy a cheaper piano but add the better disklavier 
technology to it?

My argument is:  IF the piano itself constitutes the majority of the 
cost, THEN buying a cheaper piano and retrofitting it with the better 
disklavier technology would give you a great compromise between price 
and quality.  Especially for someone like myself who doesn't care as 
much about how big the piano is (as long as it's not an upright) but 
does care a lot about getting the best sensitivity out of my 
disklavier.

On Jan 20, 2004, at 7:58 PM, Carol Beigel wrote:

> The difference between the Pro models and the regular
> Disklaviers is in the electronics, software, and
> hardware.  The technology is totally different.  The
> pianos are the same.  If you want a Pro, then trade up.
>
> Carol Beigel
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Carl Youngblood" <carl@...>
> To: <disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 5:58 PM
> Subject: [disklavier] Piano vs disklavier cost ratio
>
>
> > A few questions.
> >
>
> > So I was thinking, why not retrofit a baby grand with
> the pro disklavier functionality?
> > Is this worth it?  Is the high cost of the pro models
> more a function of the disklavier
> > part or the actual piano hardware?  It seems like the
> disklavier stuff shouldn't be much
> > more expensive at the low end than at the high end.
> In fact, I suspect that much of
> > what you're paying for is the intellectual property
> and not the physical electronics and
> > hardware that are required.  Am I totally off base or
> is this actually a good idea?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Carl
>
>
>
>
> To Post a message to the group, send it to:   
> disklavier@...
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> To Post a private message to Todd Muncy, the group's founder and 
> moderator, send it to:
> disklavier-owner@...
>
> To reach our group's web site go to:
> http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier
>
> Todd's family web site was completely updated 012/22/03.  It contains 
> some fun disklavier content and links to midi sites among many other 
> things, The url is:
> http://MuncyFamily.com
>
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There may be some brands of record/reproduce components that can be 
retrofitted to an existing grand piano, but Yamaha Disklavier is not one 
of them.  You can verify this for yourself by calling Yamaha at (800) 
854-1569.

Carl Youngblood wrote:
> The reason I asked this is because I heard others saying that you can 
> have a Yamaha-certified technician add disklavier functionality to a 
> piano after you've already purchased it.  If this is the case, why 
> couldn't you buy a cheaper piano but add the better disklavier 
> technology to it?
> 
> My argument is:  IF the piano itself constitutes the majority of the 
> cost, THEN buying a cheaper piano and retrofitting it with the better 
> disklavier technology would give you a great compromise between price 
> and quality.  Especially for someone like myself who doesn't care as 
> much about how big the piano is (as long as it's not an upright) but 
> does care a lot about getting the best sensitivity out of my disklavier.
> 
> On Jan 20, 2004, at 7:58 PM, Carol Beigel wrote:
> 
>> The difference between the Pro models and the regular
>> Disklaviers is in the electronics, software, and
>> hardware.  The technology is totally different.  The
>> pianos are the same.  If you want a Pro, then trade up.
>>
>> Carol Beigel
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Carl Youngblood" <carl@...>
>> To: <disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 2004 5:58 PM
>> Subject: [disklavier] Piano vs disklavier cost ratio
>>
>>
>> > A few questions.
>> >
>>
>> > So I was thinking, why not retrofit a baby grand with
>> the pro disklavier functionality?
>> > Is this worth it?  Is the high cost of the pro models
>> more a function of the disklavier
>> > part or the actual piano hardware?  It seems like the
>> disklavier stuff shouldn't be much
>> > more expensive at the low end than at the high end.
>> In fact, I suspect that much of
>> > what you're paying for is the intellectual property
>> and not the physical electronics and
>> > hardware that are required.  Am I totally off base or
>> is this actually a good idea?
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Carl
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> To Post a message to the group, send it to:   disklavier@...
>>
>> To Post a private message to Todd Muncy, the group's founder and 
>> moderator, send it to:
>> disklavier-owner@...
>>
>> To reach our group's web site go to:
>> http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier
>>
>> Todd's family web site was completely updated 012/22/03.  It contains 
>> some fun disklavier content and links to midi sites among many other 
>> things, The url is:
>> http://MuncyFamily.com
>>
>> THINKING OF LEAVING THE GROUP?
>> If you are thinking of unsubcribing because you are getting too much 
>> mail, go the the web site and change your email delivery option 
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-- 
Robert Welcyng
Anchorage, Alaska

You heard absolutely wrong!  The Yamaha Disklavier is
NEVER installed anywhere but a factory.  However, both
PianoDisc and QRS Pianomation systems can be installed
into just about any piano.  However, neither one of
them has a Record system that is as nice as Yamaha's.

You can have a Yamaha Disklavier technician install
hardware upgrades (printed circuit boards) to equip
some models with extra memory, ensemble sounds, Smart
Key and PianoSmart.  There is no hardware upgrade from
a regular DKV to a Pro.  The Pro systems are entirely
different.  It would be like replacing parts in your
Cadillac to make it a Mercedes.

BTW, my computer has trouble with your digitally signed
posts.  My computer says they have been tampered with
and will not respond to them unless I get a digital ID.
Anyway you could turn off this feature when posting to
the group?  Thanks!

Carol Beigel

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Carl Youngblood" <carl@...>
To: <disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 12:41 AM
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Piano vs disklavier cost
ratio


The reason I asked this is because I heard others
saying that you can
have a Yamaha-certified technician add disklavier
functionality to a
piano after you've already purchased it.  If this is
the case, why
couldn't you buy a cheaper piano but add the better
disklavier
technology to it?

My argument is:  IF the piano itself constitutes the
majority of the
cost, THEN buying a cheaper piano and retrofitting it
with the better
disklavier technology would give you a great compromise
between price
and quality.  Especially for someone like myself who
doesn't care as
much about how big the piano is (as long as it's not an
upright) but
does care a lot about getting the best sensitivity out
of my
disklavier.

Thanks for the info.  Now I know.  I just want to get the most bang for 
my buck.

The problem with my digital ID is that it only works when someone is 
receiving email directly from me.  Yahoo groups forwards it as an 
attachment, but the digital ID won't be recognized because Yahoo groups 
doesn't match the sender's identity and Yahoo groups modifies the 
emails after you send them.  Anyway, sorry.  I'll try to remember to 
turn off my digital signature when sending to the group.

Carl

On Jan 21, 2004, at 7:23 AM, Carol Beigel wrote:

> You heard absolutely wrong!  The Yamaha Disklavier is
> NEVER installed anywhere but a factory.  However, both
> PianoDisc and QRS Pianomation systems can be installed
> into just about any piano.  However, neither one of
> them has a Record system that is as nice as Yamaha's.
>
> You can have a Yamaha Disklavier technician install
> hardware upgrades (printed circuit boards) to equip
> some models with extra memory, ensemble sounds, Smart
> Key and PianoSmart.  There is no hardware upgrade from
> a regular DKV to a Pro.  The Pro systems are entirely
> different.  It would be like replacing parts in your
> Cadillac to make it a Mercedes.
>
> BTW, my computer has trouble with your digitally signed
> posts.  My computer says they have been tampered with
> and will not respond to them unless I get a digital ID.
> Anyway you could turn off this feature when posting to
> the group?  Thanks!
>
> Carol Beigel
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Carl Youngblood" <carl@...>
> To: <disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 12:41 AM
> Subject: Re: [disklavier] Piano vs disklavier cost
> ratio
>
>
> The reason I asked this is because I heard others
> saying that you can
> have a Yamaha-certified technician add disklavier
> functionality to a
> piano after you've already purchased it.  If this is
> the case, why
> couldn't you buy a cheaper piano but add the better
> disklavier
> technology to it?
>
> My argument is:  IF the piano itself constitutes the
> majority of the
> cost, THEN buying a cheaper piano and retrofitting it
> with the better
> disklavier technology would give you a great compromise
> between price
> and quality.  Especially for someone like myself who
> doesn't care as
> much about how big the piano is (as long as it's not an
> upright) but
> does care a lot about getting the best sensitivity out
> of my
> disklavier.
>
>
>
> To Post a message to the group, send it to:   
> disklavier@...
>
> To Post a private message to Todd Muncy, the group's founder and 
> moderator, send it to:
> disklavier-owner@...
>
> To reach our group's web site go to:
> http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier
>
> Todd's family web site was completely updated 012/22/03.  It contains 
> some fun disklavier content and links to midi sites among many other 
> things, The url is:
> http://MuncyFamily.com
>
> THINKING OF LEAVING THE GROUP?
> If you are thinking of unsubcribing because you are getting too much 
> mail, go the the web site and change your email delivery option 
> instead.  That will fix the problem, while maintaining your access to 
> the group.  If you insist on leaving us completely send a blank email 
> to:
> disklavier-unsubscribe@...
>
> Know someone who wants to join?  Have them send a blank email to:
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>
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>