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sticking key

2004-10-09 by optimuminput

Hi 
    I have a Mk3 DU1-A Disklavier which I have to say is superb in 
every way . Just recently one of the keys has started to stick 1/4 
to 1/2 way down when playing a midi file from my laptop or  a file 
from the controller . If i press the key manually it comes back up 
again by itself until said note is played by computer again . Is 
there some sort of adjustment/calibration I can do myself or is it 
going to be a job for a technician . Your help with this would be 
much appreciated as the manual doesnt really go into much depth 
regarding troubleshooting . The piano is just about 10 months old 
now . Thanks  Great site by the way .

                Tom

Re: [disklavier] sticking key

2004-10-09 by George Litterst

Good morning, everyone.

Tom, I suggest that you turn your Disklavier off and back on and try  
again.  If you have the same problem, turn your Disklavier off and back  
on again, transpose your MIDI file in your computer, and play it again.  
The latter test should clarify whether there is an issue with the MIDI  
file or with that particular note.

Regards,
PianoBench
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On Oct 9, 2004, at 6:16 AM, optimuminput wrote:

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>
> Hi
>     I have a Mk3 DU1-A Disklavier which I have to say is superb in
> every way . Just recently one of the keys has started to stick 1/4
> to 1/2 way down when playing a midi file from my laptop or  a file
> from the controller . If i press the key manually it comes back up
> again by itself until said note is played by computer again . Is
> there some sort of adjustment/calibration I can do myself or is it
> going to be a job for a technician . Your help with this would be
> much appreciated as the manual doesnt really go into much depth
> regarding troubleshooting . The piano is just about 10 months old
> now . Thanks  Great site by the way .
>
>                 Tom
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Re: [disklavier] sticking key

2004-10-09 by Danny

From: optimuminput

Hi
    I have a Mk3 DU1-A Disklavier which I have to say is superb in
every way . Just recently one of the keys has started to stick 1/4
to 1/2 way down when playing a midi file from my laptop or  a file
from the controller . If i press the key manually it comes back up
again by itself until said note is played by computer again . Is
there some sort of adjustment/calibration I can do myself or is it
going to be a job for a technician . Your help with this would be
much appreciated as the manual doesnt really go into much depth
regarding troubleshooting . The piano is just about 10 months old
now . Thanks  Great site by the way .

*******

Hi Tom,

Does this happen in the same place in the *same song* in the MIDI file that you 
are playing with either the Disklavier controller or laptop <or> does it happen 
anytime that this one key is being used in *any song* file?

Maybe not related, but which interface are you using to connect your laptop to 
the Disklavier, serial <or> MIDI? In particular, I have had a similar problem of 
notes not being released using the Yamaha serial (RS232) interface / PC driver 
(not MIDI interface) when playing various songs using the serial interface. I 
went to a MIDI interface and have had no problems since changing over...


Danny

Re: [disklavier] sticking key

2004-10-09 by Robert Welcyng

Tom,

I can explain to you why such sticking has occurred on my Mark II DC3. 
Here's the sequence:

1) The MIDI file operates the una corda pedal (soft pedal, the left 
pedal) and shifts the keyboard to the right.

2) A note-on occurs and presses the soft finger of the solenoid against 
the underside of the key.

3) While the solenoid remains activated, the una corda pedal is 
released.  As the keyboard shifts to the left, the underside of the key 
drags across the solenoid finger and skews the solenoid armature within 
its cylinder. The solenoid is now jammed.

4) When the MIDI note-off occurs, the jammed solenoid armature cannot 
drop into the cylinder and release the key. The key remains stuck.

As you have noted, a little pressure on the "stuck" key allows the 
solenoid armature to drop into place.  A slight tap on the una corda 
pedal will accomplish the same.

The problem is with the Disklavier, not with the piano itself.  I have 
to agree that this sticking is most annoying as it leaves that note 
disabled and undamped until you manually release it.

This sticking is not strongly consistent.  It may happen again or it may 
not.  It may happen to other keys, but not necessarily to every key. 
Since the MIDI sequence is involved, and is partly the culprit, one 
(unsatisfactory) solution is to modify the MIDI file--change the timing 
of, or eliminate, the una corda commands.

My RPT was not enthused about working on this problem.  I'm sure you 
could find someone who, for X dollars an hour, might swap out armatures 
for that one note.  The sticking is so sporadic that you might later be 
calling for help again when a different song causes a different key to 
stick.  Yamaha knows about this problem--I, for one, have told them. I 
expect if you approach them about it, they will respond as though this 
were the first they ever heard of it.

In my case, I tolerated the problem for several years. Something seems 
to have broken-in and the problem went away sometime during my seven 
year's ownership.



optimuminput wrote:
> 
> Hi 
>     I have a Mk3 DU1-A Disklavier which I have to say is superb in 
> every way . Just recently one of the keys has started to stick 1/4 
> to 1/2 way down when playing a midi file from my laptop or  a file 
> from the controller . If i press the key manually it comes back up 
> again by itself until said note is played by computer again . Is 
> there some sort of adjustment/calibration I can do myself or is it 
> going to be a job for a technician . Your help with this would be 
> much appreciated as the manual doesnt really go into much depth 
> regarding troubleshooting . The piano is just about 10 months old 
> now . Thanks  Great site by the way .
> 
>                 Tom 
> 
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> To Post a message to the group, send it to:   disklavier@...
> 
> To Post a private message to Todd Muncy, the group's founder and moderator, send it to:
> disklavier-owner@...
> 
> To reach our group's web site go to:
> http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier
> 
> Todd's family web site was completely updated 012/22/03.  It contains some fun disklavier content and links to midi sites among many other things, The url is:
> http://MuncyFamily.com 
> 
> THINKING OF LEAVING THE GROUP?
> If you are thinking of unsubcribing because you are getting too much mail, go the the web site and change your email delivery option instead.  That will fix the problem, while maintaining your access to the group.  If you insist on leaving us completely send a blank email to:
> disklavier-unsubscribe@... 
> 
> Know someone who wants to join?  Have them send a blank email to:
> disklavier-subscribe@... or give them this link:
> http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier/join 
>  
> Yahoo! Groups Links
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Robert Welcyng
Anchorage, Alaska

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