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FW: [disklavier] Basic guidance

2004-12-06 by Art Goldberg

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From: Art Goldberg [mailto:artgold@...] 
Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 12:12 PM
To: 'msull@...'
Subject: RE: [disklavier] Basic guidance

 

Michael, 

 

We just went through this and it is infinitely confusing.  It becomes a
function of what you want to spend and what your priorities are.  This is
what I learned.

 

1.	Disklavier is only available on Yamaha.  I thought the Yamaha pianos
were very expensive for what you get and if price is of importance to you
there are better alternatives. 
2.	Lots of the more moderately priced pianos are now made in China,
almost all the brands made on the same line.  The Chinese have bought up
many American sounding names from now defunct companies and make pianos with
those brand names.  So you will see pianos from Hallet & Davis, Rogers &
Court, etc, all of which look very similar with minor differences.  By the
way, the Kawai or Yamaha dealers will try to disparage the Chinese pianos
but I would have to tell you that I thought the quality of the pianos was
excellent for the money and many of the part are German or American
manufacture, in some instances better than the parts in the Japanese pianos.
We selected a Hallet and Davis because we liked the styling of the legs on
one model that they have.  
3.	The two choices that we saw for adding an automated playing device
to any of these piano with Pianomation and Piano Disk.  After bouncing back
and forth between the two, we finally decided on the Pianomation system.  I
thought that the solenoids that operate the keys were better and more
importantly, you could adjust the play volume with greater control on that
system.  Thus far, we have been very pleased with the Pianomation system.
We bought the most basic playback unit with the exception of upgrading so
that we could wireless link to a standard CD player that we keep remote
instead of loading disks at the piano. 

 

I don't pretend that any of this is the definitive word on the units or the
pianos but I hope that having spent two months on the process and learning a
lot along the way, that the thoughts will make your task easier. 

 

Art

 

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From: Michael Sullivan [mailto:msull@...] 
Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 7:36 AM
To: disklavier@...
Subject: [disklavier] Basic guidance

 

Can anyone direct me to a source of basic infromation needed in purchasing a
baby grand with player, for someone who knows nothing about them?  I'm not
sure I even know the meaningful differences between Disklavier and anything
else, or whether the newer technology will matter to someone who wants to
have a piano that plays itself & allows the kids to take lessons & me to
fool around.  Thanks.

 

Michael A. Sullivan

 



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Re: FW: [disklavier] Basic guidance

2004-12-06 by Keith Barrett

Hi,

Thanks for another interesting post.

One comment I would make regarding the choice of piano is that adding 
a player system to an entry level piano may throw up problems of 
durability.

In the uk, some of the schools have gone for various chineese models 
and they have not proved to last too well, mainly issues with centres and 
regulation but they have required considerably more maintenance than 
the english made Danemans which went in to the schools in the 1970's.

Trouble is, because the traditional names are being badged on the 
chineese pianos, it is hard to determine whether some of these are 
better than others.


On 6 Dec 2004 at 12:13, Art Goldberg wrote:

> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: Art Goldberg [mailto:artgold@...] 
> Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 12:12 PM
> To: 'msull@...'
> Subject: RE: [disklavier] Basic guidance
> 
> 
> Michael, 
> 
> We just went through this and it is infinitely confusing. It becomes a 
function of what you want to 
> spend and what your priorities are. This is what I learned.
> 
> *   Disklavier is only available on Yamaha. I thought the Yamaha 
pianos were very expensive 
>     for what you get and if price is of importance to you there are better 
alternatives. 
> *   Lots of the more moderately priced pianos are now made in China, 
almost all the brands 
>     made on the same line. The Chinese have bought up many 
American sounding names 
>     from now defunct companies and make pianos with those brand 
names. So you will see 
>     pianos from Hallet & Davis, Rogers & Court, etc, all of which look 
very similar with minor 
>     differences. By the way, the Kawai or Yamaha dealers will try to 
disparage the Chinese 
>     pianos but I would have to tell you that I thought the quality of the 
pianos was excellent for 
>     the money and many of the part are German or American 
manufacture, in some instances 
>     better than the parts in the Japanese pianos. We selected a Hallet 
and Davis because we 
>     liked the styling of the legs on one model that they have. 
> *   The two choices that we saw for adding an automated playing 
device to any of these piano 
>     with Pianomation and Piano Disk. After bouncing back and forth 
between the two, we 
>     finally decided on the Pianomation system. I thought that the 
solenoids that operate the 
>     keys were better and more importantly, you could adjust the play 
volume with greater 
>     control on that system. Thus far, we have been very pleased with 
the Pianomation system. 
>     We bought the most basic playback unit with the exception of 
upgrading so that we could 
>     wireless link to a standard CD player that we keep remote instead of 
loading disks at the 
>     piano. 
> 
> 
> I don™t pretend that any of this is the definitive word on the units or 
the pianos but I hope that 
> having spent two months on the process and learning a lot along the 
way, that the thoughts will 
> make your task easier. 
> 
> Art
> 
> 
> 
> From: Michael Sullivan [mailto:msull@...] 
> Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 7:36 AM
> To: disklavier@...
> Subject: [disklavier] Basic guidance
> 
> 
> Can anyone direct me to a source of basic infromation needed in 
purchasing a baby grand with 
> player, for someone who knows nothing about them? I'm not sure I 
even know the meaningful 
> differences between Disklavier and anything else, or whether the 
newer technology will matter to 
> someone who wants to have a piano that plays itself & allows the kids 
to take lessons & me to fool 
> around. Thanks.
> 
> 
> 
> Michael A. Sullivan
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> To Post a message to the group, send it to: 
disklavier@...
> 
> To Post a private message to Todd Muncy, the group's founder and 
moderator, send 
> it to:
> disklavier-owner@...
> 
> To reach our group's web site go to:
> http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier
> 
> Todd's family web site was completely updated 012/22/03. It contains 
some fun 
> disklavier content and links to midi sites among many other things, 
The url is:
> http://MuncyFamily.com 
> 
> THINKING OF LEAVING THE GROUP?
> If you are thinking of unsubcribing because you are getting too much 
mail, go 
> the the web site and change your email delivery option instead. That 
will fix 
> the problem, while maintaining your access to the group. If you insist 
on 
> leaving us completely send a blank email to:
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> 
> Know someone who wants to join? Have them send a blank email to:
> disklavier-subscribe@... or give them this link:
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> 
> 
> 
>                                   
>                                   
> To Post a message to the group, send it to: 
disklavier@...
>                                   
> To Post a private message to Todd Muncy, the group's founder and 
moderator, send it to:
>                   disklavier-owner@...
>                                   
>                 To reach our group's web site go to:
>               http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier
>                                   
> Todd's family web site was completely updated 012/22/03. It contains 
some fun disklavier content 
>     and links to midi sites among many other things, The url is:
>                       http://MuncyFamily.com 
>                                   
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Re: FW: [disklavier] Basic guidance

2004-12-06 by Keith Barrett

On 6 Dec 2004 at 12:13, Art Goldberg wrote:

> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: Art Goldberg [mailto:artgold@...] 
> Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 12:12 PM
> To: 'msull@...'
> Subject: RE: [disklavier] Basic guidance
> 
> 
> Michael, 
> 
> We just went through this and it is infinitely confusing. It becomes a 
function of what you want to 
> spend and what your priorities are. This is what I learned.
I am a bit confused with some of the finer points of your last post.

Do I assume that the purpose of a cd connection is to play backing 
tracks e.t.c?

I am looking for a player system only and I do not need to have the 
means of other instruments or backing.

I would like to be able to record and reproduce my piano performances 
as well as downloading piano files from the net.

I am confused with all the technology side of it but I do have a 
knowledge of pianos so, perhaps someone could explain about all this 
wireless control and c d interface.

Can I get a basic system without all this that just plays and records 
piano?


> 
> *   Disklavier is only available on Yamaha. I thought the Yamaha 
pianos were very expensive 
>     for what you get and if price is of importance to you there are better 
alternatives. 
> *   Lots of the more moderately priced pianos are now made in China, 
almost all the brands 
>     made on the same line. The Chinese have bought up many 
American sounding names 
>     from now defunct companies and make pianos with those brand 
names. So you will see 
>     pianos from Hallet & Davis, Rogers & Court, etc, all of which look 
very similar with minor 
>     differences. By the way, the Kawai or Yamaha dealers will try to 
disparage the Chinese 
>     pianos but I would have to tell you that I thought the quality of the 
pianos was excellent for 
>     the money and many of the part are German or American 
manufacture, in some instances 
>     better than the parts in the Japanese pianos. We selected a Hallet 
and Davis because we 
>     liked the styling of the legs on one model that they have. 
> *   The two choices that we saw for adding an automated playing 
device to any of these piano 
>     with Pianomation and Piano Disk. After bouncing back and forth 
between the two, we 
>     finally decided on the Pianomation system. I thought that the 
solenoids that operate the 
>     keys were better and more importantly, you could adjust the play 
volume with greater 
>     control on that system. Thus far, we have been very pleased with 
the Pianomation system. 
>     We bought the most basic playback unit with the exception of 
upgrading so that we could 
>     wireless link to a standard CD player that we keep remote instead of 
loading disks at the 
>     piano. 
> 
> 
> I don™t pretend that any of this is the definitive word on the units or 
the pianos but I hope that 
> having spent two months on the process and learning a lot along the 
way, that the thoughts will 
> make your task easier. 
> 
> Art
> 
> 
> 
> From: Michael Sullivan [mailto:msull@...] 
> Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 7:36 AM
> To: disklavier@...
> Subject: [disklavier] Basic guidance
> 
> 
> Can anyone direct me to a source of basic infromation needed in 
purchasing a baby grand with 
> player, for someone who knows nothing about them? I'm not sure I 
even know the meaningful 
> differences between Disklavier and anything else, or whether the 
newer technology will matter to 
> someone who wants to have a piano that plays itself & allows the kids 
to take lessons & me to fool 
> around. Thanks.
> 
> 
> 
> Michael A. Sullivan
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> To Post a message to the group, send it to: 
disklavier@...
> 
> To Post a private message to Todd Muncy, the group's founder and 
moderator, send 
> it to:
> disklavier-owner@...
> 
> To reach our group's web site go to:
> http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier
> 
> Todd's family web site was completely updated 012/22/03. It contains 
some fun 
> disklavier content and links to midi sites among many other things, 
The url is:
> http://MuncyFamily.com 
> 
> THINKING OF LEAVING THE GROUP?
> If you are thinking of unsubcribing because you are getting too much 
mail, go 
> the the web site and change your email delivery option instead. That 
will fix 
> the problem, while maintaining your access to the group. If you insist 
on 
> leaving us completely send a blank email to:
> disklavier-unsubscribe@... 
> 
> Know someone who wants to join? Have them send a blank email to:
> disklavier-subscribe@... or give them this link:
> http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier/join 
> 
> 
> 
>                                   
>                                   
> To Post a message to the group, send it to: 
disklavier@...
>                                   
> To Post a private message to Todd Muncy, the group's founder and 
moderator, send it to:
>                   disklavier-owner@...
>                                   
>                 To reach our group's web site go to:
>               http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier
>                                   
> Todd's family web site was completely updated 012/22/03. It contains 
some fun disklavier content 
>     and links to midi sites among many other things, The url is:
>                       http://MuncyFamily.com 
>                                   
>                    THINKING OF LEAVING THE GROUP?
> If you are thinking of unsubcribing because you are getting too much 
mail, go the the web site and 
> change your email delivery option instead. That will fix the problem, 
while maintaining your access 
> to the group. If you insist on leaving us completely send a blank email 
to:
>               disklavier-unsubscribe@... 
>                                   
>  Know someone who wants to join? Have them send a blank email to:
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