Disklavier

Besides the obvious difference in appearance, can anyone explain difference between IV and 
II?  Is it true the IV will allow much lower volume during playback?

Yes maybe someone would be kind enough to explain all of this,  
because not only is there a difference between Mark III and Mark IV,  
but the Mark IV alone has several differences within the line.  Take  
the C7 for instance:

DC7Mt
DC7A Pro
DC7M4 Pro

What is the difference between those three C7/Mark-IV pianos?

- Eric

On Dec 10, 2005, at 12:29 PM, Ken wrote:

> Besides the obvious difference in appearance, can anyone explain  
> difference between IV and
> II?  Is it true the IV will allow much lower volume during playback?
>
>

Eric,

The nomenclature that Yamaha uses in the disklavier line can be 
confusing until you understand that:

M4 in the name means that the model is a Mark IV (latest generation 
wirelessly controlled disklavier). The first piano you have listed 
should be a DC7M4t.  The "t" stands for the fact that this model comes 
with the TRC-100 tablet wireless remote control, which I believe is 
available only on Mark IV's  for the North American market.  The A 
indicates that the disklavier comes with audio speakers. The DC7A Pro is 
a Mark III not a Mark IV disklavier. The Pro model disklaviers record 
and playback midi files with greater precision than the regular 
disklavier models and hence afford recording and playback capabilities 
that are superior to the regular line of disklaviers. Details of the 
differences between the Mark III and Mark IV models, both Pro and 
regular disklaviers, can be obtained at the Yamaha web site by careful 
reading of the specifications for each model.

Tom

Eric Hermanson wrote:

>Yes maybe someone would be kind enough to explain all of this,  
>because not only is there a difference between Mark III and Mark IV,  
>but the Mark IV alone has several differences within the line.  Take  
>the C7 for instance:
>
>DC7Mt
>DC7A Pro
>DC7M4 Pro
>
>What is the difference between those three C7/Mark-IV pianos?
>
>- Eric
>
>
>
>On Dec 10, 2005, at 12:29 PM, Ken wrote:
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>>Besides the obvious difference in appearance, can anyone explain  
>>difference between IV and
>>II?  Is it true the IV will allow much lower volume during playback?
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Ken,

There are significant differences between the Mark IV disklaviers and 
earlier model disklaviers, including the Mark II and Mark III models.  
Most obvious among the differences are that the Mark IV affords wireless 
remote control, an 80 GB hard drive for storage of data, the ability to 
read midi data files directly from its built in CD-ROM drive, improved 
accuracy in the hammer and key sensors, etc.

Yes, the Mark IV will definitely allow for playback of softer velocity 
notes than the earlier Mark II and Mark III instruments and thus may be 
set to produce a lower overall volume than the Mark II or Mark III 
instruments.  I say this based on the personal experience of having 
owned and spent many hours listening to a Mark II, a Mark III, and now a 
Mark IV disklavier.  However, the Mark IV is an acoustic piano and as 
such there are limits on just how softly the piano can be played, i.e. 
any acoustic piano is not a stereo with a continuous volume control.  
When the ability to turn down the piano to very soft volumes is desired, 
it is possible on many disklavier models to enable the piano to playback 
in so-called Quiet Mode in which the acoustic piano is disabled and 
output is via a digitally sampled piano sounding through either speakers 
mounted beneath the piano or through an external speaker system. 

Tom

Ken wrote:

>Besides the obvious difference in appearance, can anyone explain difference between IV and 
>II?  Is it true the IV will allow much lower volume during playback?
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Good evening, everyone.

On Dec 10, 2005, at 3:29 PM, Ken wrote:

> Besides the obvious difference in appearance, can anyone explain  
> difference between IV and
> II?  Is it true the IV will allow much lower volume during playback?

The Disklavier is designed for amazingly accurate playback. However,  
lots of people want to be able turn the volume of the piano way down  
and talk over it.

The first model that really made this possible was the Pro (of Mark  
IIXG vintage). Following that, the non-Pro Mark III had the ability  
to become much more quiet than previous non-Pro models. However, at  
lowest volumes, the hammers no longer hit the strings and instead you  
hear the piano sample coming out of the tone generator (although the  
keys still move, I believe).

With the Mark IV non-Pro, you get similar, whisper quiet acoustic  
playback at the lowest volume levels, similar to what is available  
with the Pro.

Regards,
PianoBench

--- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, "George F. Litterst" <PianoBench@a...> wrote:
>
> Good evening, everyone.
> 
> On Dec 10, 2005, at 3:29 PM, Ken wrote:
> 
> > Besides the obvious difference in appearance, can anyone explain  
> > difference between IV and
> > II?  Is it true the IV will allow much lower volume during playback?
> 
> The Disklavier is designed for amazingly accurate playback. However,  
> lots of people want to be able turn the volume of the piano way down  
> and talk over it.
> 
> The first model that really made this possible was the Pro (of Mark  
> IIXG vintage). Following that, the non-Pro Mark III had the ability  
> to become much more quiet than previous non-Pro models. However, at  
> lowest volumes, the hammers no longer hit the strings and instead you  
> hear the piano sample coming out of the tone generator (although the  
> keys still move, I believe).
> 
> With the Mark IV non-Pro, you get similar, whisper quiet acoustic  
> playback at the lowest volume levels, similar to what is available  
> with the Pro.
> 
> Regards,
> PianoBench
>
The point I am getting at is that with my Mark III I often don't play it because of the 
volume issue. If I have guests  over or a dinner party, we can't talk AND listen to the piano. 
I want the option of having the piano as background; not center stage. If I can achieve this, 
I will trade my III for a IV (I have a C6)

On Dec 10, 2005, at 9:24 PM, Ken wrote:

> The point I am getting at is that with my Mark III I often don't  
> play it because of the
> volume issue. If I have guests  over or a dinner party, we can't  
> talk AND listen to the piano.
> I want the option of having the piano as background; not center  
> stage. If I can achieve this,
> I will trade my III for a IV (I have a C6)

That's why we have CD players and digital sound modules.

Did you really buy a DC6A for background music?

Once upon a time, when I was first starting in this business (25+  
years ago, before pianists were replaced by machines in lounges) -  
there was always the bar manager who'd say "if I can hear you, you're  
too loud." I hated these gigs.

If you don't want to hear a piano, then why have one? Play the CD! or  
turn on the sound module and listen to a digital.

</rant>

One thing to understand - you can't simply download MIDI files and  
expect the disklavier to make it sound good -- sending midi  
velocities past 100 is typically a bad thing for a piano, but  
necessary for digital music. Maybe your source files need adjusting?  
Also - acoustics... if your instrument is in a loud room, nothing you  
can do. The best pianist will never be able to play soft enough.

http://www.pianosupply.com/acoustic/
 
Check this site for baffles and blanket
 
Dan

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Behalf Of Carpe Per Diem
Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005 9:40 PM
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re: Mark IV vs Mark III



On Dec 10, 2005, at 9:24 PM, Ken wrote:

> The point I am getting at is that with my Mark III I often don't  
> play it because of the
> volume issue. If I have guests  over or a dinner party, we can't  
> talk AND listen to the piano.
> I want the option of having the piano as background; not center  
> stage. If I can achieve this,
> I will trade my III for a IV (I have a C6)

That's why we have CD players and digital sound modules.

Did you really buy a DC6A for background music?

Once upon a time, when I was first starting in this business (25+  
years ago, before pianists were replaced by machines in lounges) -  
there was always the bar manager who'd say "if I can hear you, you're  
too loud." I hated these gigs.

If you don't want to hear a piano, then why have one? Play the CD! or  
turn on the sound module and listen to a digital.

</rant>

One thing to understand - you can't simply download MIDI files and  
expect the disklavier to make it sound good -- sending midi  
velocities past 100 is typically a bad thing for a piano, but  
necessary for digital music. Maybe your source files need adjusting?  
Also - acoustics... if your instrument is in a loud room, nothing you  
can do. The best pianist will never be able to play soft enough.


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You may want to be careful if you're considering installing baffles 
in a player.  I have a Mark IV.  This player has quite a bit of 
electronics mounted under the piano. 

Looking at the baffles on the web site, it looks like if they were 
to be installed as shown, they could cover the various electronic 
components installed under the piano, restricting airflow and 
possibly cause overheating.

Even if you were to custom modify the baffles to not cover up the 
electronics, you would still have to be careful to cut them big 
enough so there would be a good airgap between the SIDES of the 
baffles and the components as well - a lot of heat transfer occurs 
out the sides of these enclosures.

Just food for thought - If anyone has ever installed these baffles 
on a Mark IV I'd love to hear about how it went.

Pete


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> Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005 9:40 PM
> To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re: Mark IV vs Mark III
> 
> 
> 
> On Dec 10, 2005, at 9:24 PM, Ken wrote:
> 
> > The point I am getting at is that with my Mark III I often 
don't  
> > play it because of the
> > volume issue. If I have guests  over or a dinner party, we 
can't  
> > talk AND listen to the piano.
> > I want the option of having the piano as background; not center  
> > stage. If I can achieve this,
> > I will trade my III for a IV (I have a C6)
> 
> That's why we have CD players and digital sound modules.
> 
> Did you really buy a DC6A for background music?
> 
> Once upon a time, when I was first starting in this business (25+  
> years ago, before pianists were replaced by machines in lounges) -
  
> there was always the bar manager who'd say "if I can hear you, 
you're  
> too loud." I hated these gigs.
> 
> If you don't want to hear a piano, then why have one? Play the CD! 
or  
> turn on the sound module and listen to a digital.
> 
> </rant>
> 
> One thing to understand - you can't simply download MIDI files 
and  
> expect the disklavier to make it sound good -- sending midi  
> velocities past 100 is typically a bad thing for a piano, but  
> necessary for digital music. Maybe your source files need 
adjusting?  
> Also - acoustics... if your instrument is in a loud room, nothing 
you  
> can do. The best pianist will never be able to play soft enough.
> 
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I have a Mark III C-6. If I thought the Mark IV can
play well at lower volumes, I would trade. My dealer
tells me the Mark IV can play at much lower volume. I
am not sure I trust his opinion. Any thoughts?
Ken

I have had the Mark IV for just over a year.  We find it is too loud at its 
lowest settings to allow conversation, even some distance away in the 
kitchen.  We enjoy listening to it, but it isn't going to work for a party. 
We have it in very large space, so the room may be too hard, but?  I am most 
interested to learn if the baffles sold will work in this unit, given the 
electronic array.  We would use it much much more if we could find a 30% 
reduction in the lowest volume.

Eric

I am really surprised to hear that the Mark IV will
not permit conversation. A demo at Yamaha store
indicated that the IV was capable of much softer play
than the III.