Disklavier

Dear Group,

I'm the soon-to-be proud owner of a DC6M4t.  Now that the 2.0
software/firmware is released for the Disklaviers, I'm looking forward
to Disklavier Radio and direct connection to the internet.

What exactly will I need to achieve this connection?  My Yamaha dealer
is a piano wiz but not that computer savvy by his own admission.  Some
thoughts/questions:

- I assume the Disklavier M4s serve as a 802.11b access point based on
some research.  Can they also serve as clients for a different 802.11
access point?

- My dealer showed me an email he just received from Yamaha saying
that to connect to the internet wirelessly, Yamaha will only support a
certain Buffalo Technology Wifi product.  Alternatively, the email
says an ethernet cable can be plugged into the M4 (yuck).

- I have a standard linksys 802.11g wifi network covering my house. 
Is there any way I can simply configure the DC6M4 to use this network
for connection purposes?

(Not wifi related) I have a CD-ROM of MIDI files; will I be able to
simply insert that CD-ROM into the Disklavier and copy its files onto
the Disklavier's hard drive?

Thanks for your help and insights.

Good morning, everyone.

On May 18, 2007, at 3:04 PM, nornrider wrote:

> I'm the soon-to-be proud owner of a DC6M4t. Now that the 2.0
> software/firmware is released for the Disklaviers, I'm looking forward
> to Disklavier Radio and direct connection to the internet.
>
> What exactly will I need to achieve this connection?

The simplest connection is an ethernet connection between the  
Disklavier's I/O center underneath and your home's local area network  
(i.e. to a router).
> My Yamaha dealer
> is a piano wiz but not that computer savvy by his own admission. Some
> thoughts/questions:
>
> - I assume the Disklavier M4s serve as a 802.11b access point based on
> some research. Can they also serve as clients for a different 802.11
> access point?

The Disklavier has 802.11b Wi-Fi for the sole purpose of  
communicating with the Pocket Remote controller.

If you need to put your Disklavier onto your home network wirelessly,  
you need to plug an adapter that is made for this purpose into the  
ethernet port of the Diskklavier. Such an adapter requires a  
complementary receiver that is plugged into your home network. An  
example is this product:

1) AirStation125 High Power Wireless Broadband Router with AOSS -  
802.11g   -   Manufacturer Part# WHR-HP-G54
2) AirStation125 High Power Wireless Ethernet Converter with AOSS  -   
Manufacturer Part# WLI-TX4-G54HP

> - My dealer showed me an email he just received from Yamaha saying
> that to connect to the internet wirelessly, Yamaha will only support a
> certain Buffalo Technology Wifi product.

True.

> Alternatively, the email
> says an ethernet cable can be plugged into the M4 (yuck).

Also true.

> - I have a standard linksys 802.11g wifi network covering my house.
> Is there any way I can simply configure the DC6M4 to use this network
> for connection purposes?

No.

> (Not wifi related) I have a CD-ROM of MIDI files; will I be able to
> simply insert that CD-ROM into the Disklavier and copy its files onto
> the Disklavier's hard drive?

Yes. However, I am not sure if this is possible IF your files are  
buried more than one layer deep in the directory. If you can't see  
all of your files with the Pocket Remote, burn another CD on which  
you do not have nested folders.

Regards,
PianoBench

www.georgelitterst.com
www.timewarptech.com

You can connect your disklavier to your wifi network, but it must go through a device that connects to your wifi network as a client and bridges that network

This sounds interesting.  What finctiopnality do you
gain?  Can you control the piano from a lap top - and
if so what software would be needed?
--- Carl Youngblood <carl@...> wrote:

> You can connect your disklavier to your wifi
> network, but it must go through
> a device that connects to your wifi network as a
> client and bridges that
> network to your disklavier over ethernet.  The
> device that Yamaha recommends
> is a Buffalo router.  I would recommend the Buffalo
> WHR G54s, as it is 100%
> compatible with DD-WRT, which is a free firmware
> upgrade you can install on
> your router that provides a lot of new features. 
> However, the Buffalo may
> have a client-mode option already, in which case you
> would be able to use it
> out of the box without having to install DD-WRT.
> 
> On 5/21/07, George F. Litterst <PianoBench@...>
> wrote:
> >
> >   Good morning, everyone.
> >
> > On May 18, 2007, at 3:04 PM, nornrider wrote:
> >
> > > I'm the soon-to-be proud owner of a DC6M4t. Now
> that the 2.0
> > > software/firmware is released for the
> Disklaviers, I'm looking forward
> > > to Disklavier Radio and direct connection to the
> internet.
> > >
> > > What exactly will I need to achieve this
> connection?
> >
> > The simplest connection is an ethernet connection
> between the
> > Disklavier's I/O center underneath and your home's
> local area network
> > (i.e. to a router).
> > > My Yamaha dealer
> > > is a piano wiz but not that computer savvy by
> his own admission. Some
> > > thoughts/questions:
> > >
> > > - I assume the Disklavier M4s serve as a 802.11b
> access point based on
> > > some research. Can they also serve as clients
> for a different 802.11
> > > access point?
> >
> > The Disklavier has 802.11b Wi-Fi for the sole
> purpose of
> > communicating with the Pocket Remote controller.
> >
> > If you need to put your Disklavier onto your home
> network wirelessly,
> > you need to plug an adapter that is made for this
> purpose into the
> > ethernet port of the Diskklavier. Such an adapter
> requires a
> > complementary receiver that is plugged into your
> home network. An
> > example is this product:
> >
> > 1) AirStation125 High Power Wireless Broadband
> Router with AOSS -
> > 802.11g - Manufacturer Part# WHR-HP-G54
> > 2) AirStation125 High Power Wireless Ethernet
> Converter with AOSS -
> > Manufacturer Part# WLI-TX4-G54HP
> >
> > > - My dealer showed me an email he just received
> from Yamaha saying
> > > that to connect to the internet wirelessly,
> Yamaha will only support a
> > > certain Buffalo Technology Wifi product.
> >
> > True.
> >
> > > Alternatively, the email
> > > says an ethernet cable can be plugged into the
> M4 (yuck).
> >
> > Also true.
> >
> > > - I have a standard linksys 802.11g wifi network
> covering my house.
> > > Is there any way I can simply configure the
> DC6M4 to use this network
> > > for connection purposes?
> >
> > No.
> >
> > > (Not wifi related) I have a CD-ROM of MIDI
> files; will I be able to
> > > simply insert that CD-ROM into the Disklavier
> and copy its files onto
> > > the Disklavier's hard drive?
> >
> > Yes. However, I am not sure if this is possible IF
> your files are
> > buried more than one layer deep in the directory.
> If you can't see
> > all of your files with the Pocket Remote, burn
> another CD on which
> > you do not have nested folders.
> >
> > Regards,
> > PianoBench
> >
> > www.georgelitterst.com
> > www.timewarptech.com
> >  
> >
> 



       
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It would probably be possible to reverse-engineer the interface that the wifi remote uses and send commands through your laptop, but it would require 

The main feature besides streaming radio or buying downloads from Yamaha is to directly copy files from your compter to the disklavier. Since floppy disks are essentially dead, the CD needs special formatting that no-one else uses and the flashdrive USB is temperamental (50% of my USB memory devices don't work on the disklavier - and I have formatted them correctly) - assuming you can find the USB port (cunningly hidden underneath at the back of the controller).

I hooked up with one long CAT5 cable and then it's just copy and paste.

The wireless link would be a nice extra to save trailling a long cable to my nearest network point

----- Original Message ----
From: Garry Neil <ulcerdoc@...>
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 5:05:48 PM
Subject: Re: [disklavier] What is needed to directly connect Mark IV with the internet?

This sounds interesting. What finctiopnality do you
gain? Can you control the piano from a lap top - and
if so what software would be needed?
--- Carl Youngblood <carl@youngbloods. org> wrote:

> You can connect your disklavier to your wifi
> network, but it must go through
> a device that connects to your wifi network as a
> client and bridges that
> network to your disklavier over ethernet. The
> device that Yamaha recommends
> is a Buffalo router. I would recommend the Buffalo
> WHR G54s, as it is 100%
> compatible with DD-WRT, which is a free firmware
> upgrade you can install on
> your router that provides a lot of new features. 
> However, the Buffalo may
> have a client-mode option already, in which case you
> would be able to use it
> out of the box without having to install DD-WRT.
> 
> On 5/21/07, George F. Litterst <PianoBench@aol. com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Good morning, everyone.
> >
> > On May 18, 2007, at 3:04 PM, nornrider wrote:
> >
> > > I'm the soon-to-be proud owner of a DC6M4t. Now
> that the 2.0
> > > software/firmware is released for the
> Disklaviers, I'm looking forward
> > > to Disklavier Radio and direct connection to the
> internet.
> > >
> > > What exactly will I need to achieve this
> connection?
> >
> > The simplest connection is an ethernet connection
> between the
> > Disklavier's I/O center underneath and your home's
> local area network
> > (i.e. to a router).
> > > My Yamaha dealer
> > > is a piano wiz but not that computer savvy by
> his own admission. Some
> > > thoughts/questions:
> > >
> > > - I assume the Disklavier M4s serve as a 802.11b
> access point based on
> > > some research. Can they also serve as clients
> for a different 802.11
> > > access point?
> >
> > The Disklavier has 802.11b Wi-Fi for the sole
> purpose of
> > communicating with the Pocket Remote controller.
> >
> > If you need to put your Disklavier onto your home
> network wirelessly,
> > you need to plug an adapter that is made for this
> purpose into the
> > ethernet port of the Diskklavier. Such an adapter
> requires a
> > complementary receiver that is plugged into your
> home network. An
> > example is this product:
> >
> > 1) AirStation125 High Power Wireless Broadband
> Router with AOSS -
> > 802.11g - Manufacturer Part# WHR-HP-G54
> > 2) AirStation125 High Power Wireless Ethernet
> Converter with AOSS -
> > Manufacturer Part# WLI-TX4-G54HP
> >
> > > - My dealer showed me an email he just received
> from Yamaha saying
> > > that to connect to the internet wirelessly,
> Yamaha will only support a
> > > certain Buffalo Technology Wifi product.
> >
> > True.
> >
> > > Alternatively, the email
> > > says an ethernet cable can be plugged into the
> M4 (yuck).
> >
> > Also true.
> >
> > > - I have a standard linksys 802.11g wifi network
> covering my house.
> > > Is there any way I can simply configure the
> DC6M4 to use this network
> > > for connection purposes?
> >
> > No.
> >
> > > (Not wifi related) I have a CD-ROM of MIDI
> files; will I be able to
> > > simply insert that CD-ROM into the Disklavier
> and copy its files onto
> > > the Disklavier's hard drive?
> >
> > Yes. However, I am not sure if this is possible IF
> your files are
> > buried more than one layer deep in the directory.
> If you can't see
> > all of your files with the Pocket Remote, burn
> another CD on which
> > you do not have nested folders.
> >
> > Regards,
> > PianoBench
> >
> > www.georgelitterst. com
> > www.timewarptech. com
> > 
> >
> 

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One problem with this, however, is that Yamaha s web site still requires you to create a floppy from music that you purchase from them.  At least that s the

I haven't purched via download from Yamaha, but I'm sur you can save to your PC and then copy to whatever medium you want, the constraint is then being able to read it on the Disklavier.

I think the USB is only available on the mark IV which makes options very limited on the other models. If you have a CD it is possible to format and copy music via a CD. I found a free software called magicISO which will format the CD in the ISO standard when you copy files and then the disklavier can read it.

the network link is a huge improvement, even just using a CAT5 cable

----- Original Message ----
From: Carl Youngblood <carl@...>
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 12:17:43 AM
Subject: Re: [disklavier] What is needed to directly connect Mark IV with the internet?

One problem with this, however, is that Yamaha's web site still requires you to create a floppy from music that you purchase from them.  At least that's the only way I've been able to figure out how to load my purchased downloaded music. 


On 5/24/07, Howard Cheetham <cheetham@yahoo. com> wrote:
The main feature besides streaming radio or buying downloads from Yamaha is to directly copy files from your compter to the disklavier. Since floppy disks are essentially dead, the CD needs special formatting that no-one else uses and the flashdrive USB is temperamental (50% of my USB memory devices don't work on the disklavier - and I have formatted them correctly) - assuming you can find the USB port (cunningly hidden underneath at the back of the controller). 
 
I hooked up with one long CAT5 cable and then it's just copy and paste.
 
The wireless link would be a nice extra to save trailling a long cable to my nearest network point
 



----- Original Message ----
From: Garry Neil < ulcerdoc@yahoo. com>
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 5:05:48 PM
Subject: Re: [disklavier] What is needed to directly connect Mark IV with the internet? 


This sounds interesting. What finctiopnality do you
gain? Can you control the piano from a lap top - and
if so what software would be needed?

--- Carl Youngblood <carl@youngbloods. org> wrote:

> You can connect your disklavier to your wifi 
> network, but it must go through
> a device that connects to your wifi network as a
> client and bridges that
> network to your disklavier over ethernet. The
> device that Yamaha recommends 
> is a Buffalo router. I would recommend the Buffalo
> WHR G54s, as it is 100%
> compatible with DD-WRT, which is a free firmware
> upgrade you can install on
> your router that provides a lot of new features. 
> However, the Buffalo may
> have a client-mode option already, in which case you
> would be able to use it
> out of the box without having to install DD-WRT.
> 
> On 5/21/07, George F. Litterst <PianoBench@aol. com>
> wrote: 
> >
> > Good morning, everyone.
> >
> > On May 18, 2007, at 3:04 PM, nornrider wrote:
> >
> > > I'm the soon-to-be proud owner of a DC6M4t. Now
> that the 2.0
> > > software/firmware is released for the
> Disklaviers, I'm looking forward
> > > to Disklavier Radio and direct connection to the
> internet.
> > >
> > > What exactly will I need to achieve this 
> connection?
> >
> > The simplest connection is an ethernet connection
> between the
> > Disklavier's I/O center underneath and your home's
> local area network
> > ( i.e. to a router).
> > > My Yamaha dealer
> > > is a piano wiz but not that computer savvy by
> his own admission. Some
> > > thoughts/questions:
> > >
> > > - I assume the Disklavier M4s serve as a 802.11b
> access point based on
> > > some research. Can they also serve as clients 
> for a different 802.11
> > > access point?
> >
> > The Disklavier has 802.11b Wi-Fi for the sole
> purpose of
> > communicating with the Pocket Remote controller.
> > 
> > If you need to put your Disklavier onto your home
> network wirelessly,
> > you need to plug an adapter that is made for this
> purpose into the
> > ethernet port of the Diskklavier. Such an adapter 
> requires a
> > complementary receiver that is plugged into your
> home network. An
> > example is this product:
> >
> > 1) AirStation125 High Power Wireless Broadband
> Router with AOSS -
> > 802.11g - Manufacturer Part# WHR-HP-G54
> > 2) AirStation125 High Power Wireless Ethernet
> Converter with AOSS -
> > Manufacturer Part# WLI-TX4-G54HP
> >
> > > - My dealer showed me an email he just received 
> from Yamaha saying
> > > that to connect to the internet wirelessly,
> Yamaha will only support a
> > > certain Buffalo Technology Wifi product.
> >
> > True.
> > 
> > > Alternatively, the email
> > > says an ethernet cable can be plugged into the
> M4 (yuck).
> >
> > Also true.
> >
> > > - I have a standard linksys 802.11g wifi network
> covering my house.
> > > Is there any way I can simply configure the
> DC6M4 to use this network
> > > for connection purposes?
> >
> > No.
> > 
> > > (Not wifi related) I have a CD-ROM of MIDI
> files; will I be able to
> > > simply insert that CD-ROM into the Disklavier
> and copy its files onto
> > > the Disklavier's hard drive?
> >
> > Yes. However, I am not sure if this is possible IF 
> your files are
> > buried more than one layer deep in the directory.
> If you can't see
> > all of your files with the Pocket Remote, burn
> another CD on which
> > you do not have nested folders. 
> >
> > Regards,
> > PianoBench
> >
> > www.georgelitterst. com
> > www.timewarptech. com
> > 
> >
> 

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The recent flurry of pointless emails appears to be new internet social
phenomenon: a runaway flood of email traffic caused by too much use of
ReplyAll to a distribution list. I saw the exact same pattern occur at work
(Boeing satellites) a month ago, and the behavior of all the engineers on
the distribution list in that incident was identical to this forum flurry.
A seemingly innocuous email (in this case a test message sent to too many
people) elicits a few too many responses which go to the whole distribution
list rather than the one person who asked the question, which eventually
provokes a flood of ReplyAll emails from all the irate people on the
distribution list and then a stream of "Get me off this list" emails (again
to the whole distribution list).  Finally people just get tired and the
traffic dies away.  

 

It's in our nature to reply to questions, and also to respond to irritating
emails which waste our time.  That's fine, but until the mass of people
learn to hit Reply instead of Reply All (which is admittedly difficult in
this forum) we're in for occasional spates like this one.  All we can do in
the meantime is resist the temptation to hit "Reply", instead having a
chuckle at all the pointless traffic and smiling as we hit Delete, Delete,
Delete.  A lot of good information flows through this forum, and putting up
with occasional traffic flurries is the cost of belonging.  Let's just stay
cool and enjoy the worthwhile posts.

 

Jerry

My own experience is: When you buy and download music specific for the DKV directly from Yamaha s pianosoft store (mostly full FD) you have to use a download

your right Jerry! ... From: Jerry Dutcher To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 6:48 AM Subject: [disklavier] Mass ReplyAll-steria: a new

By definition, all posts to a forum are reply to all , so I don t really think your observation applies.  On a regular email with many recipients, I can see

--- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, "Carl Youngblood" <carl@...> wrote:
>
I agree. This is different than regualar email. P.S. Didnt we switch 
to google forums?
Neal

> By definition, all posts to a forum are "reply to all", so I don't 
really
> think your observation applies.  On a regular email with many 
recipients, I
> can see your point.
> 
> On 5/25/07, Jerry Dutcher <gldutcher@...> wrote:
> >
> >    The recent flurry of pointless emails appears to be new 
internet social
> > phenomenon: a runaway flood of email traffic caused by too much 
use of
> > ReplyAll to a distribution list. I saw the exact same pattern 
occur at work
> > (Boeing satellites) a month ago, and the behavior of all the 
engineers on
> > the distribution list in that incident was identical to this 
forum flurry.
> >  A seemingly innocuous email (in this case a test message sent to 
too many
> > people) elicits a few too many responses which go to the whole 
distribution
> > list rather than the one person who asked the question, which 
eventually
> > provokes a flood of ReplyAll emails from all the irate people on 
the
> > distribution list and then a stream of "Get me off this list" 
emails (again
> > to the whole distribution list).  Finally people just get tired 
and the
> > traffic dies away.
> >
> >
> >
> > It's in our nature to reply to questions, and also to respond to
> > irritating emails which waste our time.  That's fine, but until 
the mass of
> > people learn to hit Reply instead of Reply All (which is 
admittedly
> > difficult in this forum) we're in for occasional spates like this 
one.  All
> > we can do in the meantime is resist the temptation to 
hit "Reply", instead
> > having a chuckle at all the pointless traffic and smiling as we 
hit Delete,
> > Delete, Delete.  A lot of good information flows through this 
forum, and
> > putting up with occasional traffic flurries is the cost of 
belonging.  Let's

> > just stay cool and enjoy the worthwhile posts.
> >
> >
> >
> > Jerry
> >
> >  
> >
>