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songs come up "untittle", and alphabetical order

songs come up "untittle", and alphabetical order

2008-03-03 by jeanluc07

Hi,

I am a newbie to the Disklavier. I just bought a GH1 Mark III (year 
2000). 
Question 1: I downloaded midi songs into the floppy disk and load into 
the mark 3. All songs come up without titles. The display 
shows "Untittle". How do I name the songs? IS there somekind of 
software to name the songs?

Question 2: All songs seemed to play in alphabetical order. How do I re-
arrange songs in my own ordering?

This is a great site. I am a newbie so any help is greatly appreciative.

Loi
In Washington DC

Re: [disklavier] songs come up "untittle", and alphabetical order

2008-03-04 by George F. Litterst

Good evening, everyone.

On Mar 3, 2008, at 6:55 PM, Loi wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I am a newbie to the Disklavier. I just bought a GH1 Mark III (year
> 2000).
> Question 1: I downloaded midi songs into the floppy disk and load into
> the mark 3. All songs come up without titles. The display
> shows "Untittle". How do I name the songs? IS there somekind of
> software to name the songs?
>
> Question 2: All songs seemed to play in alphabetical order. How do I  
> re-
> arrange songs in my own ordering?
>

Question 2 is the easiest to answer: Song files come up in the order  
in which they were copied to the floppy disk. If you dragged a bunch  
to the disk on your computer from a window that sorted them in  
alphabetical order, that may have caused them to be copied in that  
order.

You can copy them one at a time in any order that you wish. You can  
also use the Disklavier's Song Sort feature to change the order, but  
that can be time-consuming.

The answer to question 1 is complicated. I have pasted details below.  
It sounds to me as though the authors of these MIDI files did not  
embed MIDI sequence names.

Regards,
PianoBench

www.georgelitterst.com
www.timewarptech.com

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As best I can determine, the Disklavier display can get the file name  
for a SMF song from any of these four places:

(1) a name stored in a directory that the Disklavier creates on the  
floppy disk when you make a recording to the disk,

(2) a Yamaha proprietary meta event added to the SMF by the Disklavier,

(3) the so-called "sequence" name meta event which is imbedded in the  
MIDI file--usually by a sequencing program,

and

(4) the DOS file name.

Which name does the Disklavier use for display?

In the case of pre-Mark IV Disklaviers, it seems as though the  
Disklavier defaults to reading the name in the directory file if one  
is present.

The display name registered in the directory file is put there when  
the directory file is initially created. This directory file is  
created when a recording is made. Subsequently, whenever a new piece  
is recorded or an old one rerecorded, the directory file is updated  
with respect to the file being recorded or otherwise altered.

If a directory file is not present, the Disklavier reads the name  
embedded in the Yamaha meta event. This meta event is created by the  
Disklavier and is embedded in the file when you use the front panel of  
the Disklavier to add a title to a SMF. Adding a title is,  
technically, a recording procedure which also updates the directory on  
the disk or creates a new one if one is not present.

Keep in mind that a proprietary meta event will normally not be read  
by another other piece of hardware or software except one that is made  
by the manufacturer which is identified as the creator of the meta  
event. Therefore, Yamaha title meta events may be read by the  
Clavinova CVP, but will not be read by another manufacturer's keyboard  
or by your sequencer.

If a Yamaha meta event title is not embedded in the file and a  
directory file is not present which contains info about the file in  
question, the Disklavier displays the sequence name. This name is  
added in a sequencer, such as Cakewalk, Vision, Performer, Metro, etc.  
For example, with Cakewalk Pro Audio 7, you can go to the File menu  
and select Info.... This brings up a dialog which lets you add a  
title. With Performer, you open the Chunks window and create the  
sequence name there.

When you resave the SMF from a sequencer, the Yamaha meta event--if  
any--is usually lost. The sequencer may add a sequence name for the  
song title. If you do not specify a title in your sequencer, your  
sequencer may automatically add a sequence name anyway. This default  
title usually shows up on the Disklavier display with the name  
"Untitled."

Note that the sequence name meta event is actually a "public" meta  
event--for lack of a better word; it is one that is universally  
recognized.

Finally, if a directory file is not present, a Yamaha title meta event  
is not present, and a SMF sequence title meta event is not present,  
the Disklavier will use the DOS file name for display. You can create  
this last situation by taking a SMF, opening it in a sequencer,  
setting the sequence name to nothing, and resaving the SMF file to a  
disk which has no directory already on it.

How should you add your titles? If you work with a sequencer a lot,  
your best bet is to add the sequence title when you have the SMF open  
for editing. Otherwise, adding titles using the Disklavier's front  
panel is fine. The advantage to adding titles with your  sequencer is  
that the title stays "glued" to the file, regardless of whether the  
file is opened in a sequencer by someone else or put on a disk to  
which the Disklavier later adds a directory file.

Keep in mind that on any Disklavier other than a Mark IV, the display  
name can be up to 32 characters long as far as the Disklavier's  
display is concerned. The first 16 characters (including spaces) go on  
the top line, the rest on the bottom line.

On the Mark IV, there seems to be no limit as to the number of  
characters in a song title. The Mark IV provides a place to enter long  
song titles. Those names are stored a sequence name meta events in the  
MIDI file.

Re: [disklavier] songs come up "untittle", and alphabetical order

2008-03-04 by ISKI1@aol.com

Loi
 
I use the utilities at this site to add titles.
_http://www.carolrpt.com/softwaredwnld.htm_ 
(http://www.carolrpt.com/softwaredwnld.htm) 
 
I use Mid2eseq to convert the midi files to Yamaha Esq files.
I then use Eseq explorer to create a directory for a group of esq  files.
I then name the files any thing I like. You can also put them in any order  
by dragging and dropping them in the list. You can usually put about 70 midis 
on  a HD floppy but Eseq Explorer sometimes has problems with large  
directories.
If you want you could also convert them back to midi with Eseq2mid and the  
titles will remain on the midi file. This is handy if you use VanBassco and  
build a play list of your favorite midi's.
If you put them on a floppy the song order will be the order they are  copied 
to the disk.
 
You can also use YamPlayer to build a play list of several disks or  
individual Eseq songs.
 
There are some nice utilities at this site for adding titles to a  batch of 
files.
_http://www.spencerserolls.com/Files4Download.html_ 
(http://www.spencerserolls.com/Files4Download.html)  
 
Good luck



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Re: [disklavier] songs come up "untittle", and alphabetical order

2008-03-04 by loi nguyen

Thank you. It worked!
Another question. I read the instructions from the dkutils directory. It mentioned that I need to format the floppy disk to 720K. Is this neccessary, because I did not do this step so my disk was at 1.44M and it still worked. So, is it necessary to format disk to 720K?
Thanks again,
Loi

ISKI1@... wrote:
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Loi
I use the utilities at this site to add titles.
I use Mid2eseq to convert the midi files to Yamaha Esq files.
I then use Eseq explorer to create a directory for a group of esq files.
I then name the files any thing I like. You can also put them in any order by dragging and dropping them in the list. You can usually put about 70 midis on a HD floppy but Eseq Explorer sometimes has problems with large directories.
If you want you could also convert them back to midi with Eseq2mid and the titles will remain on the midi file. This is handy if you use VanBassco and build a play list of your favorite midi's.
If you put them on a floppy the song order will be the order they are copied to the disk.
You can also use YamPlayer to build a play list of several disks or individual Eseq songs.
There are some nice utilities at this site for adding titles to a batch of files.
Good luck




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