Disklavier

I have a new DC3A.  Just wondered what others are hearing from their 
player mechanism.  Certainly not quiet.  Mine makes a bunch of 
clicking sounds.  Is this the solenoids working?  Just barely 
noticable.  SJ

Better have the DKV tech out.  Could be the height of the rail needs
adjusting.

Carol Beigel

----- Original Message -----
From: "sjhart110110" <sjmu@...>
To: <disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 10:16 PM
Subject: [disklavier] How loud is the player mechanism?


> I have a new DC3A.  Just wondered what others are hearing from their
> player mechanism.  Certainly not quiet.  Mine makes a bunch of
> clicking sounds.  Is this the solenoids working?  Just barely
> noticable.  SJ
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Thanks for the info.  I think I'll do that.  I noticed that it is 
mostly a couple of keys that make about 10 times the noise.  SJ


--- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, "Carol Beigel" <crbrpt@b...> 
wrote:
> Better have the DKV tech out.  Could be the height of the rail 
needs
> adjusting.
> 
> Carol Beigel
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "sjhart110110" <sjmu@m...>
> To: <disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 10:16 PM
> Subject: [disklavier] How loud is the player mechanism?
> 
> 
> > I have a new DC3A.  Just wondered what others are hearing from 
their
> > player mechanism.  Certainly not quiet.  Mine makes a bunch of
> > clicking sounds.  Is this the solenoids working?  Just barely
> > noticable.  SJ
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Thanks Jimmy for the info.  The tech is coming over this week to 
take a look.  I hooked my PC up to the piano to drive the mechanism 
so I could isolate the notes that are making the "clicking" noise.  
There is a only a couple which are really loud and a few which are 
less.  However, these 8 notes are significantly louder than the 
other 80!  Also, the loudest one is the F below middle C which is 
played a lot!  SJ

--- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, Jimmy <JimmyM@V...> wrote:
> To answer all under my small wisdom.  I just had a Disklavier 
technician over.  It is the second time that he come over for what 
you haverefer as the "clicking" or claping" noise that you hear when 
the key is played by the mechanism.  The first time, since my 
disklavier was new (DCG1) he did a major over all to the keyboard 
assembly.  Kind of lubrication of the wooden attachment, (sorry for 
my incorrect terms) they he realized that over all the noise was 
still produce on some notes.  He went back inside and interchanged 
the pistons shaft from the the solenoid to other note.
> That did rectified the problems for a few months, then the noise 
came back on some note, just a few, but still very annoying. So 
today he came back and changed all together the piston or shaft from 
the noisy solenoid.  Simply job and it appears to be efficency this 
time hope it will last longer than a few months.
> 
> By the way this piano was bought last in november 2002, so 
naturaly still under warranty.
> 
> Hope my small insight will help some of you.  Don't tolerate that 
irrating noise, call your technician and get it fixed.  It is worth 
it.  Sound so smooth now.
> 
> Enjoy the music.
> 
> Jimmy
> Montreal Canada
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: sjhart110110 
>   To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 10:50 PM
>   Subject: [disklavier] Re: How loud is the player mechanism?
> 
> 
>   Thanks for the info.  I think I'll do that.  I noticed that it 
is 
>   mostly a couple of keys that make about 10 times the noise.  SJ
> 
> 
>   --- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, "Carol Beigel" <crbrpt@b...> 
>   wrote:
>   > Better have the DKV tech out.  Could be the height of the rail 
>   needs
>   > adjusting.
>   > 
>   > Carol Beigel
>   > 
>   > ----- Original Message -----
>   > From: "sjhart110110" <sjmu@m...>
>   > To: <disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
>   > Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 10:16 PM
>   > Subject: [disklavier] How loud is the player mechanism?
>   > 
>   > 
>   > > I have a new DC3A.  Just wondered what others are hearing 
from 
>   their
>   > > player mechanism.  Certainly not quiet.  Mine makes a bunch 
of
>   > > clicking sounds.  Is this the solenoids working?  Just barely
>   > > noticable.  SJ
>   > >
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>   contains some
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OK.  The tech came out and did a procedure which was recommended by 
Yamaha for these types of problems.  He said that they "used" to 
swap solenoids and/or magnets, etc. to try and fix the problem, but 
that this new procedure always worked.  Now I will try and explain 
what the tech did!  Groups of solenoids and magnets (the magnet is 
the device that moves up to strike the hammers) have a brass cover 
over them.  I think there were about 6 of these long brass covers.  
Each one had several (10-15) white or black solenoid (magnets) in 
them.  He had to remove each of these covers and line the inside 
with a very small strip of black tape.  The tape was VERY small 
(1/16" or 1/32" wide).  The tape was run from one end of the brass 
cover to the other and was positioned right next to the hole were 
the magnet is put into.  The noise is caused by the magnet and/or 
solenoid hitting these brass covers.  Likely from the inside, 
because the magnet has felt on it which would seem to protect it 
from hitting the outside/top of the cover.   The results were VERY 
impressive.  The entire mechanism (not just my problem keys) it MUCH 
quieter.  Amazing!  Thanks.  SJ  




--- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, Jimmy <JimmyM@V...> wrote:
> Sj:  Make sure you ask the tech to replaced the plunger (piston, 
shaft)  whatever name they gave it into the solenoid instead of just 
moving them around to stop the noise, because I believe he will be 
back if he only rotates them around.
> As far as why certain notes are doing it, it's a mystery to my 
tech.  He ask Yamaha, but no answer came regarding the reason.  
Certainly not on a new piano.
> 
> f you be kind enough to let me know how everything turns out and 
what your tech has to say about the problem, may be I'll be able to 
pass that around to mine.
> 
> Take care and enjoy.
> 
> Jimmy
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: sjhart110110 
>   To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com 
>   Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 4:17 PM
>   Subject: [disklavier] Re: How loud is the player mechanism?
> 
> 
>   Thanks Jimmy for the info.  The tech is coming over this week to 
>   take a look.  I hooked my PC up to the piano to drive the 
mechanism 
>   so I could isolate the notes that are making the "clicking" 
noise.  
>   There is a only a couple which are really loud and a few which 
are 
>   less.  However, these 8 notes are significantly louder than the 
>   other 80!  Also, the loudest one is the F below middle C which 
is 
>   played a lot!  SJ
> 
>   --- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, Jimmy <JimmyM@V...> wrote:
>   > To answer all under my small wisdom.  I just had a Disklavier 
>   technician over.  It is the second time that he come over for 
what 
>   you haverefer as the "clicking" or claping" noise that you hear 
when 
>   the key is played by the mechanism.  The first time, since my 
>   disklavier was new (DCG1) he did a major over all to the 
keyboard 
>   assembly.  Kind of lubrication of the wooden attachment, (sorry 
for 
>   my incorrect terms) they he realized that over all the noise was 
>   still produce on some notes.  He went back inside and 
interchanged 
>   the pistons shaft from the the solenoid to other note.
>   > That did rectified the problems for a few months, then the 
noise 
>   came back on some note, just a few, but still very annoying. So 
>   today he came back and changed all together the piston or shaft 
from 
>   the noisy solenoid.  Simply job and it appears to be efficency 
this 
>   time hope it will last longer than a few months.
>   > 
>   > By the way this piano was bought last in november 2002, so 
>   naturaly still under warranty.
>   > 
>   > Hope my small insight will help some of you.  Don't tolerate 
that 
>   irrating noise, call your technician and get it fixed.  It is 
worth 
>   it.  Sound so smooth now.
>   > 
>   > Enjoy the music.
>   > 
>   > Jimmy
>   > Montreal Canada
>   >   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   >   From: sjhart110110 
>   >   To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com 
>   >   Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 10:50 PM
>   >   Subject: [disklavier] Re: How loud is the player mechanism?
>   > 
>   > 
>   >   Thanks for the info.  I think I'll do that.  I noticed that 
it 
>   is 
>   >   mostly a couple of keys that make about 10 times the noise.  
SJ
>   > 
>   > 
>   >   --- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, "Carol Beigel" 
<crbrpt@b...> 
>   >   wrote:
>   >   > Better have the DKV tech out.  Could be the height of the 
rail 
>   >   needs
>   >   > adjusting.
>   >   > 
>   >   > Carol Beigel
>   >   > 
>   >   > ----- Original Message -----
>   >   > From: "sjhart110110" <sjmu@m...>
>   >   > To: <disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
>   >   > Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 10:16 PM
>   >   > Subject: [disklavier] How loud is the player mechanism?
>   >   > 
>   >   > 
>   >   > > I have a new DC3A.  Just wondered what others are 
hearing 
>   from 
>   >   their
>   >   > > player mechanism.  Certainly not quiet.  Mine makes a 
bunch 
>   of
>   >   > > clicking sounds.  Is this the solenoids working?  Just 
barely
>   >   > > noticable.  SJ
>   >   > >
>   >   > >
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disklavier@Y...
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founder 
>   and
>   >   > moderator, send it to:
>   >   > > disklavier-owner@Y...
>   >   > >
>   >   > > To reach our group's web site go to:
>   >   > > http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier
>   >   > >
>   >   > > Todd's family web site was completely updated 01/15/03.  
It 
>   >   contains some
>   >   > fun disklavier content and links to midi sites among many 
>   other 
>   >   things, The
>   >   > url is:
>   >   > > http://MuncyFamily.com
>   >   > >
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>   contains some fun disklavier content and links to midi sites 
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many other things, The url is:
>   http://MuncyFamily.com 
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Maybe I should have this done.  I have a key or two that seem to be a 
little louder than all the others.  My local disklavier tech wasn't 
familiar with the procedure but would charge $130 an hour to have 
this done.  Can you tell me how many hours it would take to do?  I 
don't know if I want to spend $1000 to have this done. ;)

Thanks,

--Ron

--- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, "sjhart110110" <sjhart110@...> 
wrote:
>
> OK.  The tech came out and did a procedure which was recommended by 
> Yamaha for these types of problems.  He said that they "used" to 
> swap solenoids and/or magnets, etc. to try and fix the problem, but 
> that this new procedure always worked.  Now I will try and explain 
> what the tech did!  Groups of solenoids and magnets (the magnet is 
> the device that moves up to strike the hammers) have a brass cover 
> over them.  I think there were about 6 of these long brass covers.  
> Each one had several (10-15) white or black solenoid (magnets) in 
> them.  He had to remove each of these covers and line the inside 
> with a very small strip of black tape.  The tape was VERY small 
> (1/16" or 1/32" wide).  The tape was run from one end of the brass 
> cover to the other and was positioned right next to the hole were 
> the magnet is put into.  The noise is caused by the magnet and/or 
> solenoid hitting these brass covers.  Likely from the inside, 
> because the magnet has felt on it which would seem to protect it 
> from hitting the outside/top of the cover.   The results were VERY 
> impressive.  The entire mechanism (not just my problem keys) it 
MUCH 
> quieter.  Amazing!  Thanks.  SJ  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, Jimmy <JimmyM@V...> wrote:
> > Sj:  Make sure you ask the tech to replaced the plunger (piston, 
> shaft)  whatever name they gave it into the solenoid instead of 
just 
> moving them around to stop the noise, because I believe he will be 
> back if he only rotates them around.
> > As far as why certain notes are doing it, it's a mystery to my 
> tech.  He ask Yamaha, but no answer came regarding the reason.  
> Certainly not on a new piano.
> > 
> > f you be kind enough to let me know how everything turns out and 
> what your tech has to say about the problem, may be I'll be able to 
> pass that around to mine.
> > 
> > Take care and enjoy.
> > 
> > Jimmy
> >   ----- Original Message ----- 
> >   From: sjhart110110 
> >   To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com 
> >   Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 4:17 PM
> >   Subject: [disklavier] Re: How loud is the player mechanism?
> > 
> > 
> >   Thanks Jimmy for the info.  The tech is coming over this week 
to 
> >   take a look.  I hooked my PC up to the piano to drive the 
> mechanism 
> >   so I could isolate the notes that are making the "clicking" 
> noise.  
> >   There is a only a couple which are really loud and a few which 
> are 
> >   less.  However, these 8 notes are significantly louder than the 
> >   other 80!  Also, the loudest one is the F below middle C which 
> is 
> >   played a lot!  SJ
> > 
> >   --- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, Jimmy <JimmyM@V...> wrote:
> >   > To answer all under my small wisdom.  I just had a Disklavier 
> >   technician over.  It is the second time that he come over for 
> what 
> >   you haverefer as the "clicking" or claping" noise that you hear 
> when 
> >   the key is played by the mechanism.  The first time, since my 
> >   disklavier was new (DCG1) he did a major over all to the 
> keyboard 
> >   assembly.  Kind of lubrication of the wooden attachment, (sorry 
> for 
> >   my incorrect terms) they he realized that over all the noise 
was 
> >   still produce on some notes.  He went back inside and 
> interchanged 
> >   the pistons shaft from the the solenoid to other note.
> >   > That did rectified the problems for a few months, then the 
> noise 
> >   came back on some note, just a few, but still very annoying. So 
> >   today he came back and changed all together the piston or shaft 
> from 
> >   the noisy solenoid.  Simply job and it appears to be efficency 
> this 
> >   time hope it will last longer than a few months.
> >   > 
> >   > By the way this piano was bought last in november 2002, so 
> >   naturaly still under warranty.
> >   > 
> >   > Hope my small insight will help some of you.  Don't tolerate 
> that 
> >   irrating noise, call your technician and get it fixed.  It is 
> worth 
> >   it.  Sound so smooth now.
> >   > 
> >   > Enjoy the music.
> >   > 
> >   > Jimmy
> >   > Montreal Canada
> >   >   ----- Original Message ----- 
> >   >   From: sjhart110110 
> >   >   To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com 
> >   >   Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 10:50 PM
> >   >   Subject: [disklavier] Re: How loud is the player mechanism?
> >   > 
> >   > 
> >   >   Thanks for the info.  I think I'll do that.  I noticed that 
> it 
> >   is 
> >   >   mostly a couple of keys that make about 10 times the 
noise.  
> SJ
> >   > 
> >   > 
> >   >   --- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, "Carol Beigel" 
> <crbrpt@b...> 
> >   >   wrote:
> >   >   > Better have the DKV tech out.  Could be the height of the 
> rail 
> >   >   needs
> >   >   > adjusting.
> >   >   > 
> >   >   > Carol Beigel
> >   >   > 
> >   >   > ----- Original Message -----
> >   >   > From: "sjhart110110" <sjmu@m...>
> >   >   > To: <disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
> >   >   > Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2003 10:16 PM
> >   >   > Subject: [disklavier] How loud is the player mechanism?
> >   >   > 
> >   >   > 
> >   >   > > I have a new DC3A.  Just wondered what others are 
> hearing 
> >   from 
> >   >   their
> >   >   > > player mechanism.  Certainly not quiet.  Mine makes a 
> bunch 
> >   of
> >   >   > > clicking sounds.  Is this the solenoids working?  Just 
> barely
> >   >   > > noticable.  SJ
> >   >   > >
> >   >   > >
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> >   >   Todd's family web site was completely updated 01/15/03.  It 
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> >   Todd's family web site was completely updated 01/15/03.  It 
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> many other things, The url is:
> >   http://MuncyFamily.com 
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> >   THINKING OF LEAVING THE GROUP?
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Hi Ron, it s Steve. Where in California do you live? I might have a great tech for you.