Disklavier

I am a very new member of this group--we have only owned our DKV 
MarkIV for a couple of weeks.  Thanks to Carol Beigel's website (well 
worth a visit, by the way), I have now found an excellent source of 
MIDI files of classical music.  For example, I found a file there of 
Beethoven's Emperor's concerto.  However, when I played one of those 
files on our DKV, we only received music through the speakers, not 
from the keyboard.  Thus, we need to find a way to redirect the piano 
track data in that MIDI file to our DKV's keyboard in order to get 
the real benefit of the music.   From Carol's notes we may also want 
to adjust the volume settings on some of the MIDI files that we 
download. 

To do that we will need to use some sort of MIDI utility.  There 
appear to be plenty of them available for PCs.  I have not yet found 
such a utility that runs on Macs, even after spending some time today 
in the Apple forums.   Does anyone have a recommendation for a simple 
MIDI utility (i.e., capable of adjusting volume and redirecting track 
data to our DKV keyboard) that runs on a Mac?

Any recommendations much appreciated.

Mike M.

Good afternoon, everyone.

Mike, you can fix the problem by making changes on the Disklavier or  
computer or both.

On the Disklavier, access the MIDI In page in the Interface program by  
doing the following, starting at the first screen:

--Tap Next
--Tap Setup
--Tap MIDI

On the MIDI In screen, do one of the following:

Option 1
--Set the MIDI Receive Channel for the Disklavier to any channel from  
1 to 16. I recommend that you use Channel 1.
--In your computer software, set the piano track(s) to the same  
channel used by the piano. Be sure that all of the other tracks are  
set to different channels.

Option 2
--Set the MIDI Receive Channel for the Disklavier to PRG(ALL). This  
will ensure that the Disklavier plays all tracks that have a patch  
message that sets the track to a General MIDI "piano group" voice.  
Piano Group voices are the first 8 voices in General MIDI:

1. Acoustic Grand Piano
2. Bright Acoustic Piano
3. Electric Grand Piano
4. Honky-Tonk Piano
5. Electric Piano 1
6. Electric Piano 2
7. Harpsichord
8. Clavi

--You do not need to make any changes in your computer software.

Unless your sequence has any of the voices listed above and you DON'T  
want them to play on the piano, the PRG(ALL) setting is a simple  
choice that works most of the time.

Regards,
PianoBench

On Jun 18, 2008, at 1:06 PM, mcubed33 wrote:

> I am a very new member of this group--we have only owned our DKV
> MarkIV for a couple of weeks. Thanks to Carol Beigel's website (well
> worth a visit, by the way), I have now found an excellent source of
> MIDI files of classical music. For example, I found a file there of
> Beethoven's Emperor's concerto. However, when I played one of those
> files on our DKV, we only received music through the speakers, not
> from the keyboard. Thus, we need to find a way to redirect the piano
> track data in that MIDI file to our DKV's keyboard in order to get
> the real benefit of the music. From Carol's notes we may also want
> to adjust the volume settings on some of the MIDI files that we
> download.
>
> To do that we will need to use some sort of MIDI utility. There
> appear to be plenty of them available for PCs. I have not yet found
> such a utility that runs on Macs, even after spending some time today
> in the Apple forums. Does anyone have a recommendation for a simple
> MIDI utility (i.e., capable of adjusting volume and redirecting track
> data to our DKV keyboard) that runs on a Mac?
>
> Any recommendations much appreciated.
>
> Mike M.
>
>
>

George -
 
Many thanks!  I'll give Option 2 a try.  Sounds very simple.
 
Regards.
 
Mike

________________________________

From: disklavier@yahoogroups.com [mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of George F. Litterst
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 11:13 AM
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [disklavier] MIDI Utility that works on a Mac?



Good afternoon, everyone. 

Mike, you can fix the problem by making changes on the Disklavier or
computer or both.

On the Disklavier, access the MIDI In page in the Interface program by
doing the following, starting at the first screen:

--Tap Next
--Tap Setup
--Tap MIDI

On the MIDI In screen, do one of the following:

Option 1
--Set the MIDI Receive Channel for the Disklavier to any channel from 1
to 16. I recommend that you use Channel 1.
--In your computer software, set the piano track(s) to the same channel
used by the piano. Be sure that all of the other tracks are set to
different channels.

Option 2
--Set the MIDI Receive Channel for the Disklavier to PRG(ALL). This will
ensure that the Disklavier plays all tracks that have a patch message
that sets the track to ! a General MIDI "piano group" voice. Piano Group
voices are the first 8 voices in General MIDI:

1. Acoustic Grand Piano
2. Bright Acoustic Piano
3. Electric Grand Piano
4. Honky-Tonk Piano
5. Electric Piano 1
6. Electric Piano 2
7. Harpsichord
8. Clavi

--You do not need to make any changes in your computer software.

Unless your sequence has any of the voices listed above and you DON'T
want them to play on the piano, the PRG(ALL) setting is a simple choice
that works most of the time.

Regards,
PianoBench

On Jun 18, 2008, at 1:06 PM, mcubed33 wrote:


	

	I am a very new member of this group--we have only owned our DKV

	MarkIV for a couple of weeks. Thanks to Carol Beigel's website
(well 
	worth a visit, by the way), I have now found an excellent source
of 
	MIDI files of classical music. For example, I found a file there
of 
	Beethoven's Emperor's concerto. However, when I played one of
those 
	files on our DKV, we only received music through the speakers,
not 
	from the keyboard. Thus, we need to find! a way to redirect the
piano 
	track data in that MIDI file to our DKV's keyboard in order to
get 
	the real benefit of the music. From Carol's notes we may also
want 
	to adjust the volume settings on some of the MIDI files that we 
	download. 
	
	To do that we will need to use some sort of MIDI utility. There 
	appear to be plenty of them available for PCs. I have not yet
found 
	such a utility that runs on Macs, even after spending some time
today 
	in the Apple forums. Does anyone have a recommendation for a
simple 
	MIDI util! ity (i.e., capable of adjusting volume and
redirecting track 
	data to our DKV keyboard) that runs on a Mac?
	
	Any recommendations much appreciated.
	
	Mike M.
	
	

	


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Greetings mcubed33,

you can find a sequencer program and do the work yourself but it is not going to be that easy especially changing MIDI velocity.

i wrote a program called MIDImod2 that probably does what you want but it is a windows program. it is written in perl and if you are a programmer you could probably adapt it to work on the mac. if there were a lot of interest i would consider it but it might be a big job because it is a graphical program and there might be some platform specific stuff in it.

if you have a new mac with Leopard you can run windows. 

you can find the program on the following page of my web site:
www.spencerserolls.com/files4download

if you know how to run a perl script including acquiring the required modules and you can handle any Mac specific needs, i can send you the source code. i would like to have a Mac version of this (and other) programs but don't have the time to learn all the Mac specific stuff necessary to do this. 

Wednesday, June 18, 2008, 10:06:18 AM, you wrote:
> I am a very new member of this group--we have only owned our DKV 
> MarkIV for a couple of weeks. Thanks to Carol Beigel's website (well 
> worth a visit, by the way), I have now found an excellent source of 
> MIDI files of classical music. For example, I found a file there of 
> Beethoven's Emperor's concerto. However, when I played one of those 
> files on our DKV, we only received music through the speakers, not 
> from the keyboard. Thus, we need to find a way to redirect the piano 
> track data in that MIDI file to our DKV's keyboard in order to get 
> the real benefit of the music. From Carol's notes we may also want 
> to adjust the volume settings on some of the MIDI files that we 
> download. 

> To do that we will need to use some sort of MIDI utility. There 
> appear to be plenty of them available for PCs. I have not yet found 
> such a utility that runs on Macs, even after spending some time today 
> in the Apple forums. Does anyone have a recommendation for a simple 
> MIDI utility (i.e., capable of adjusting volume and redirecting track 
> data to our DKV keyboard) that runs on a Mac?

> Any recommendations much appreciated.

> Mike M.

>  

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(707) 984-8356

Spencer_Lists -
 
Many thanks for that reply re MIDImod2.  I'm not a programmer so I'll
forgo your kind offer of the source code. 
 
I had another reply to my post suggesting that I may be able to solve
the "track assignment" aspect of this problem simply by adjusting the
MIDI receive channel on the DKV.  I'll give that a try first.  If that
doesn't work, I may then try MIDImod2 under the "Virtual PC" emulator I
have on my Mac.  (My Mac is the  pre-Intel chip version of the G5.)
 
Regards.
 
Mike M. 

________________________________

From: disklavier@yahoogroups.com [mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Spencer_Lists
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 11:20 AM
To: mcubed33
Subject: Re: [disklavier] MIDI Utility that works on a Mac?



Greetings mcubed33,

you can find a sequencer program and do the work yourself but it is not
going to be that easy especially changing MIDI velocity.

i wrote a program called MIDImod2 that probably does what you want but
it is a windows program. it is written in perl and if you are a
programmer you could probably adapt it to work on the mac. if there were
a lot of interest i would consider it but it might be a big job because
it is a graphical program and there might be some platform specific
stuff in it.

if you have a new mac with Leopard you can run windows. 

you can find the program on the following page of my web site:
www.spencerserolls.com/files4download

if you know how to run a perl script including acquiring the required
modules and you can handle any Mac specific needs, i can send you the
source code. i would like to have a Mac version of this (and other)
programs but don't have the time to learn all the Mac specific stuff
necessary to do this. 

Wednesday, June 18, 2008, 10:06:18 AM, you wrote:
> I am a very new member of this group--we have only owned our DKV 
> MarkIV for a couple of weeks. Thanks to Carol Beigel's website (well 
> worth a visit, by the way), I have now found an excellent source of 
> MIDI files of classical music. For example, I found a file there of 
> Beethoven's Emperor's concerto. However, when I played one of those 
> files on our DKV, we only received music through the speakers, not 
> from the keyboard. Thus, we need to find a way to redirect the piano 
> track data in that MIDI file to our DKV's keyboard in order to get 
> the real benefit of the music. From Carol's notes we may also want 
> to adjust the volume settings on some of the MIDI files that we 
> download. 

> To do that we will need to use some sort of MIDI utility. There 
> appear to be plenty of them available for PCs. I have not yet found 
> such a utility that runs on Macs, even after spending some time today 
> in the Apple forums. Does anyone have a recommendation for a simple 
> MIDI utility (i.e., capable of adjusting volume and redirecting track 
> data to our DKV keyboard) that runs on a Mac?

> Any recommendations much appreciated.

> Mike M.

> 

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67550 Bell Springs Rd.
Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only.
Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only.
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http://www.spencerserolls.com <http://www.spencerserolls.com> 
http://www.spencerserolls.com/MidiValve.htm
<http://www.spencerserolls.com/MidiValve.htm> 
(707) 984-8356

Greetings Mike,

I also have a G5 pre intel and have been meaning to try my utilities on it but do not have a copy of virtual pc here. It is in some drawer in another house and was bought a million years ago for use with win 98 maybe. I have a few copies of XP that I bought recently to stockpile for new computers that might come with Vista so I could install this on the Mac. Do I need to buy a new virtual PC? What about bootcamp? Any ideas on what makes sense to get XP working on this G5? 

Wednesday, June 18, 2008, 11:29:16 AM, you wrote:
> Spencer_Lists -
>  
> Many thanks for that reply re MIDImod2.  I'm not a programmer so
> I'll forgo your kind offer of the source code. 
>  
> I had another reply to my post suggesting that I may be able to
> solve the "track assignment" aspect of this problem simply by
> adjusting the MIDI receive channel on the DKV.  I'll give that a try
> first.  If that doesn't work, I may then try MIDImod2 under the
> "Virtual PC" emulator I have on my Mac.  (My Mac is the  pre-Intel chip version of the G5.)
>  
> Regards.
>  
> Mike M. 

> From: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Spencer_Lists
> Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 11:20 AM
> To: mcubed33
> Subject: Re: [disklavier] MIDI Utility that works on a Mac?

> Greetings mcubed33,

> you can find a sequencer program and do the work yourself but it is
> not going to be that easy especially changing MIDI velocity.

> i wrote a program called MIDImod2 that probably does what you want
> but it is a windows program. it is written in perl and if you are a
> programmer you could probably adapt it to work on the mac. if there
> were a lot of interest i would consider it but it might be a big job
> because it is a graphical program and there might be some platform specific stuff in it.

> if you have a new mac with Leopard you can run windows. 

> you can find the program on the following page of my web site:
> www.spencerserolls.com/files4download

> if you know how to run a perl script including acquiring the
> required modules and you can handle any Mac specific needs, i can
> send you the source code. i would like to have a Mac version of this
> (and other) programs but don't have the time to learn all the Mac
> specific stuff necessary to do this. 

> Wednesday, June 18, 2008, 10:06:18 AM, you wrote:
>> I am a very new member of this group--we have only owned our DKV 
>> MarkIV for a couple of weeks. Thanks to Carol Beigel's website (well 
>> worth a visit, by the way), I have now found an excellent source of 
>> MIDI files of classical music. For example, I found a file there of 
>> Beethoven's Emperor's concerto. However, when I played one of those 
>> files on our DKV, we only received music through the speakers, not 
>> from the keyboard. Thus, we need to find a way to redirect the piano 
>> track data in that MIDI file to our DKV's keyboard in order to get 
>> the real benefit of the music. From Carol's notes we may also want 
>> to adjust the volume settings on some of the MIDI files that we 
>> download. 

>> To do that we will need to use some sort of MIDI utility. There 
>> appear to be plenty of them available for PCs. I have not yet found 
>> such a utility that runs on Macs, even after spending some time today 
>> in the Apple forums. Does anyone have a recommendation for a simple 
>> MIDI utility (i.e., capable of adjusting volume and redirecting track 
>> data to our DKV keyboard) that runs on a Mac?

>> Any recommendations much appreciated.

>> Mike M.




-- 
Best regards,
Spencer_Lists Chase        mailto:lists@...
67550 Bell Springs Rd.
Garberville,  CA 95542    Postal service only.
Laytonville, CA 95454    UPS only.
Spencer@...
http://www.spencerserolls.com
http://www.spencerserolls.com/MidiValve.htm
(707) 984-8356

Spencer (I'm assuming that's your name) -
 
Here I can be of some limited help.  I think "bootcamp" only works on
the Intel machines.  The Virtual PC version I have is probably the
latest one (I say that because the Intel machines were introduced
shortly after I installed Virtual PC on my computer.)     If I have
occasion to try your Midimod2 on it, I'l let you know what happens.  
 
I would suggest you try your old version of Virtual PC.  You may
qualify for an inexpensive upgrade if that proves to be necessary.  Or
you might be able to find an inexpensive copy of the upgraded Virtual PC
on eBay.
 
Regards.
 
Mike 

________________________________

From: disklavier@yahoogroups.com [mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Spencer_Lists
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 12:12 PM
To: Mike Moore
Subject: Re[2]: [disklavier] MIDI Utility that works on a Mac?



Greetings Mike,

I also have a G5 pre intel and have been meaning to try my utilities on
it but do not have a copy of virtual pc here. It is in some drawer in
another house and was bought a million years ago for use with win 98
maybe. I have a few copies of XP that I bought recently to stockpile for
new computers that might come with Vista so I could install this on the
Mac. Do I need to buy a new virtual PC? What about bootcamp? Any ideas
on what makes sense to get XP working on this G5? 

Wednesday, June 18, 2008, 11:29:16 AM, you wrote:
> Spencer_Lists -
> 
> Many thanks for that reply re MIDImod2. I'm not a programmer so
> I'll forgo your kind offer of the source code. 
> 
> I had another reply to my post suggesting that I may be able to
> solve the "track assignment" aspect of this problem simply by
> adjusting the MIDI receive channel on the DKV. I'll give that a try
> first. If that doesn't work, I may then try MIDImod2 under the
> "Virtual PC" emulator I have on my Mac. (My Mac is the pre-Intel chip
version of the G5.)
> 
> Regards.
> 
> Mike M. 

> From: disklavier@yahoogroups.com <mailto:disklavier%40yahoogroups.com>

> [mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:disklavier%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Spencer_Lists
> Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2008 11:20 AM
> To: mcubed33
> Subject: Re: [disklavier] MIDI Utility that works on a Mac?

> Greetings mcubed33,

> you can find a sequencer program and do the work yourself but it is
> not going to be that easy especially changing MIDI velocity.

> i wrote a program called MIDImod2 that probably does what you want
> but it is a windows program. it is written in perl and if you are a
> programmer you could probably adapt it to work on the mac. if there
> were a lot of interest i would consider it but it might be a big job
> because it is a graphical program and there might be some platform
specific stuff in it.

> if you have a new mac with Leopard you can run windows. 

> you can find the program on the following page of my web site:
> www.spencerserolls.com/files4download

> if you know how to run a perl script including acquiring the
> required modules and you can handle any Mac specific needs, i can
> send you the source code. i would like to have a Mac version of this
> (and other) programs but don't have the time to learn all the Mac
> specific stuff necessary to do this. 

> Wednesday, June 18, 2008, 10:06:18 AM, you wrote:
>> I am a very new member of this group--we have only owned our DKV 
>> MarkIV for a couple of weeks. Thanks to Carol Beigel's website (well 
>> worth a visit, by the way), I have now found an excellent source of 
>> MIDI files of classical music. For example, I found a file there of 
>> Beethoven's Emperor's concerto. However, when I played one of those 
>> files on our DKV, we only received music through the speakers, not 
>> from the keyboard. Thus, we need to find a way to redirect the piano 
>> track data in that MIDI file to our DKV's keyboard in order to get 
>> the real benefit of the music. From Carol's notes we may also want 
>> to adjust the volume settings on some of the MIDI files that we 
>> download. 

>> To do that we will need to use some sort of MIDI utility. There 
>> appear to be plenty of them available for PCs. I have not yet found 
>> such a utility that runs on Macs, even after spending some time today

>> in the Apple forums. Does anyone have a recommendation for a simple 
>> MIDI utility (i.e., capable of adjusting volume and redirecting track

>> data to our DKV keyboard) that runs on a Mac?

>> Any recommendations much appreciated.

>> Mike M.

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http://www.spencerserolls.com <http://www.spencerserolls.com> 
http://www.spencerserolls.com/MidiValve.htm
<http://www.spencerserolls.com/MidiValve.htm> 
(707) 984-8356

I just bought a new iMac last week with Leopard to use exclusively for music 
and photo editing.  I am a complete novice where Macs are concerned and none 
of my older PowerPC (Mac OS8) software will run.  I bought Logic Studio 8, 
but probably Logic Express ($199) will work just fine for MIDI editing.

It is true that Leopard will run Windows XP and Windows Vista.  However, 
most of the dkv utilities ran in native DOS under Windows 98, 95 and 3.1.  I 
believe the future of computers will be this duo core intel processor and 
the more universal operating systems.  Perhaps someone will write software 
utilities for these operating systems - like converting ESEQ to midi!

Meanwhile, I will start to learn more about audio and MIDI editing and 
recording.  I'm looking at a practically blank mental spreadsheet here and 
will share any interesting findings I discover that relate Macs to DKVs. 
One of the things that looks interesting in controlling a Disklavier with a 
Mac is that Time Capsule.  It also works as a wireless router as well as 
with ethernet cables.

I still think that for now, Disklavier owners interesting in the older 
dkvutilities should keep around an older PC that runs Windows 98 and older.

Carol Beigel

Alan -

Many thanks for that valuable tip. I will give it a try as soon as my DKV recovers from a mysterious shutdown--hopefully Yamaha customer service can remedy that problem.

Mike

Alan -

Thanks again. I tried it last night and it worked just as you said.

Mike