Disklavier

Does anyone know if the new control unit will allow for a quieter Disklavier playback than what came with my original Mark III?

Playback volume will not change.

Bill Brandom

lowdebt4me <dopphome@comcast.net> wrote:


Does anyone know if the new control unit will allow for a quieter Disklavier playback than what came with my original Mark III?



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I was under the impression that the minimum volume is mostly controlled by the sensitivity of the solenoids that activate the keys.  If that is the case...no software upgrade will be able to affect that...





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From: Mark in Idaho <MarkGMID@...>
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, March 24, 2010 6:22:15 PM
Subject: Re: [disklavier] DKC 850 and Piano Volume?

  
Bill Brandon,

Yamaha has made a BIG mistake by not including a better volume control.
This is like Toyota continuing to sell cars with accelerator problems.
They could have hit it out of the park with a volume control that
offered a lower volume and an option of linear or progressive volume
reduction. This could all have been done with software. 

Additional volume control only would have almost made the price
worthwhile.

How does Yamaha get their feedback before designing an upgrade like
this?

Mark in Idaho

On 3/24/2010 12:08 PM, Bill Brandom wrote: 
  > 
>Playback volume will not change.
>
>>Bill Brandom
>
>>lowdebt4me <dopphome@comcast. net>
>wrote:
>
>>Does anyone know if the new control unit will allow for a quieter
>Disklavier playback than what came with my original Mark III?
>
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If the solenoids cannot produce a lower minimum volume, that is 
understandable. But the high end of the volume can still be lowered. 
That is what I meant by progressive volume reduction. The max impact is 
reduced to a tolerable level and the minimum impact may not be reduced 
at all. The math to do such a modification is not rocket science. It 
could be something like this. Max volume is reduced by 30% and minimum 
volume is only reduced by 3%. It may flatten out the volume changes but 
that would be acceptable to many of us.

Some pieces would have all notes reduced by an equal percentage because 
the minimum volume is well above the minimum mechanical level. Other 
pieces would need the progressive approach because the minimum impact is 
too close to the mechanical minimum..

Mark in Idaho

On 3/24/2010 5:07 PM, Kevin Goroway wrote:
> I was under the impression that the minimum volume is mostly 
> controlled by the sensitivity of the solenoids that activate the 
> keys.  If that is the case...no software upgrade will be able to 
> affect that...
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* Mark in Idaho <MarkGMID@...>
> *To:* disklavier@yahoogroups.com
> *Sent:* Wed, March 24, 2010 6:22:15 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [disklavier] DKC 850 and Piano Volume?
>
> Bill Brandon,
>
> Yamaha has made a BIG mistake by not including a better volume 
> control. This is like Toyota continuing to sell cars with accelerator 
> problems. They could have hit it out of the park with a volume control 
> that offered a lower volume and an option of linear or progressive 
> volume reduction. This could all have been done with software.
>
> Additional volume control only would have almost made the price 
> worthwhile.
>
> How does Yamaha get their feedback before designing an upgrade like this?
>
> Mark in Idaho
>
> On 3/24/2010 12:08 PM, Bill Brandom wrote:
>
>> Playback volume will not change.
>>
>> Bill Brandom
>>
>> lowdebt4me <dopphome@comcast. net <mailto:dopphome%40comcast.net>> wrote:
>>
>> Does anyone know if the new control unit will allow for a quieter 
>> Disklavier playback than what came with my original Mark III?
>>
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The ability to play back at low volume on a piano player system is limited in part by the mechanical nature of the instrument, where the solenoids have to overcome the inertia and keep control of the solenoids (i.e keys, whippen, hammers, etc.) The other factor is the sophistication of the electronics, i.e. how accurately the key and hammer movements are monitored and how accurately the solenoids are controlled. On the Disklavier, the key & hammer sensors, as well as the solenoids are (obviously) built into the piano, not the DKV controller. The processing of the sensor information, as well as the fine control of the solenoids is handled by the PK-control circuit board. This is also built into the piano, which means that factors such as the lowest ppp volume cannot be changed by anything in the DKV controller. Basically, the DKV unit is a user interface which sends MIDI information to the piano and MIDI information cannot alter the characteristics of the hardware it is sent to.

If you think of an analogy, no matter how many DVD players, speakers or other gadgets you put into your car, you're not going to make it any faster, but you might enjoy the gadets so much, you don't worry about how fast you go.

athomik

On Mar 24 2010, Mark in Idaho wrote:

>Bill Brandon,
>
>Yamaha has made a BIG mistake by not including a better volume control.
>This is like Toyota continuing to sell cars with accelerator problems.
>They could have hit it out of the park with a volume control that
>offered a lower volume and an option of linear or progressive volume
>reduction. This could all have been done with software.
>
>Additional volume control only would have almost made the price worthwhile.
>
>How does Yamaha get their feedback before designing an upgrade like this?
>
>Mark in Idaho
>
>On 3/24/2010 12:08 PM, Bill Brandom wrote:
>>
>> Playback volume will not change.
>>
>> Bill Brandom
>>
>> lowdebt4me > wrote:
>>
>> Does anyone know if the new control unit will allow for a quieter
>> Disklavier playback than what came with my original Mark III?
>>;
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