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Can we increase our player song variety past Yamaha's offerings?

Can we increase our player song variety past Yamaha's offerings?

2011-08-30 by theta1870mom

We just purchased a DGC1ME3 and are trying to figure out if there is a way to get the piano to play a wider variety of popular songs than available via the Yamaha radio and music store downloads.  My husband tried just downloading a copy of something onto USB, but when played into the piano it is 'missing' stuff.  It only plays the piano that was in the original song and not as if the song was played originally on a piano.  My DH wants to know if he can take a regular mp3 audio song he purchased on iTunes or Amazon or a .wav he owns on CD and somehow convert it to play on our piano as it was originally recorded just on a piano?  It is not imperative that we get all background parts--just so that piano is playing the entire time thru a song.  We have a Dell PC that we would be using and the player is hardwired to my router.
Thanks.
Jean

Re: [disklavier] Can we increase our player song variety past Yamaha's offerings?

2011-08-30 by Spencer chase

not possible. what you are asking for is a huge task. using current technology it takes many many manhours of time to convert a single audio recording to a piano file to play on your DKV. producing software to do this automatically would be a massive job and it is unlikely that anyone would find it cost effective to even try. there are programs that offer to "convert MP3 to MIDI" but they basically don't work except for very simple cases and badly at even those.

On 8/30/2011 4:42 AM, theta1870mom wrote:
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We just purchased a DGC1ME3 and are trying to figure out if there is a way to get the piano to play a wider variety of popular songs than available via the Yamaha radio and music store downloads. My husband tried just downloading a copy of something onto USB, but when played into the piano it is 'missing' stuff. It only plays the piano that was in the original song and not as if the song was played originally on a piano. My DH wants to know if he can take a regular mp3 audio song he purchased on iTunes or Amazon or a .wav he owns on CD and somehow convert it to play on our piano as it was originally recorded just on a piano? It is not imperative that we get all background parts--just so that piano is playing the entire time thru a song. We have a Dell PC that we would be using and the player is hardwired to my router.
Thanks.
Jean


-- 
Best regards, Spencer Chase
67550-Bell Springs Rd.
Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only.
Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only.
Spencer@...
http://www.spencerserolls.com
(707) 984-8356 
(425) 791-0309

Re: [disklavier] Can we increase our player song variety past Yamaha's offerings?

2011-08-30 by George Frederick Litterst

Good afternoon, everyone.

Spencer is correct that it is a very difficult undertaking to convert audio recordings to MIDI for playback on a Disklavier. However, this is one of the special technologies that has been developed at Zenph Sound Innovations and which continues to be developed by Zenph.

Thus far, Zenph has converted or "re-performed" original audio recordings by Glenn Gould (Goldberg Variations and Bach Inventions), Art Tatum, Sergei Rachmaninoff, Oscar Peterson, George Gershwin, and others. In house, Zenph plays all of this data on the Disklavier Pro. Some of this performance data is available for playback on the LX player piano system. Many of these re-performances have been presented in public (such as at the Newport Music Festival in 2010 and 2011), and many of them have been used to create new audio recordings (www.zenph.com/the-music.html).

If Yamaha one day produces a secure way to deliver this content for the Disklavier, it will be made available there as well.

Zenph does not have publicly available tools for converting audio to MIDI but continues to develop this technology for in-house use. Although it cannot be used to do the audio-to-MIDI conversion, Zenph's new RePerform MIDI editor offers the same kind of high quality MIDI editing that is used in-house at Zenph.

Regards,
PianoBench
(CCO/CTO at Zenph Sound Innovations)


On Aug 30, 2011, at 1:00 PM, Spencer chase wrote:

not possible. what you are asking for is a huge task. using current technology it takes many many manhours of time to convert a single audio recording to a piano file to play on your DKV. producing software to do this automatically would be a massive job and it is unlikely that anyone would find it cost effective to even try. there are programs that offer to "convert MP3 to MIDI" but they basically don't work except for very simple cases and badly at even those.

On 8/30/2011 4:42 AM, theta1870mom wrote:

We just purchased a DGC1ME3 and are trying to figure out if there is a way to get the piano to play a wider variety of popular songs than available via the Yamaha radio and music store downloads. My husband tried just downloading a copy of something onto USB, but when played into the piano it is 'missing' stuff. It only plays the piano that was in the original song and not as if the song was played originally on a piano. My DH wants to know if he can take a regular mp3 audio song he purchased on iTunes or Amazon or a .wav he owns on CD and somehow convert it to play on our piano as it was originally recorded just on a piano? It is not imperative that we get all background parts--just so that piano is playing the entire time thru a song. We have a Dell PC that we would be using and the player is hardwired to my router.
Thanks.
Jean


-- 
Best regards, Spencer Chase
67550-Bell Springs Rd.
Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only.
Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only.
Spencer@...
http://www.spencerserolls.com
(707) 984-8356 
(425) 791-0309


Re: [disklavier] Can we increase our player song variety past Yamaha's offerings?

2011-08-30 by John Cagle

George,

What about having a Zenph Re-Performance channel on Disklavier Radio? Is that not secure enough? That would give me a good reason to subscribe (I don't currently).

Thanks,
John
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On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 12:15 PM, George Frederick Litterst <PianoBench@...> wrote:

Good afternoon, everyone.


Spencer is correct that it is a very difficult undertaking to convert audio recordings to MIDI for playback on a Disklavier. However, this is one of the special technologies that has been developed at Zenph Sound Innovations and which continues to be developed by Zenph.

Thus far, Zenph has converted or "re-performed" original audio recordings by Glenn Gould (Goldberg Variations and Bach Inventions), Art Tatum, Sergei Rachmaninoff, Oscar Peterson, George Gershwin, and others. In house, Zenph plays all of this data on the Disklavier Pro. Some of this performance data is available for playback on the LX player piano system. Many of these re-performances have been presented in public (such as at the Newport Music Festival in 2010 and 2011), and many of them have been used to create new audio recordings (www.zenph.com/the-music.html).

If Yamaha one day produces a secure way to deliver this content for the Disklavier, it will be made available there as well.

Zenph does not have publicly available tools for converting audio to MIDI but continues to develop this technology for in-house use. Although it cannot be used to do the audio-to-MIDI conversion, Zenph's new RePerform MIDI editor offers the same kind of high quality MIDI editing that is used in-house at Zenph.

Regards,
PianoBench
(CCO/CTO at Zenph Sound Innovations)


On Aug 30, 2011, at 1:00 PM, Spencer chase wrote:

not possible. what you are asking for is a huge task. using current technology it takes many many manhours of time to convert a single audio recording to a piano file to play on your DKV. producing software to do this automatically would be a massive job and it is unlikely that anyone would find it cost effective to even try. there are programs that offer to "convert MP3 to MIDI" but they basically don't work except for very simple cases and badly at even those.

On 8/30/2011 4:42 AM, theta1870mom wrote:

We just purchased a DGC1ME3 and are trying to figure out if there is a way to get the piano to play a wider variety of popular songs than available via the Yamaha radio and music store downloads. My husband tried just downloading a copy of something onto USB, but when played into the piano it is 'missing' stuff. It only plays the piano that was in the original song and not as if the song was played originally on a piano. My DH wants to know if he can take a regular mp3 audio song he purchased on iTunes or Amazon or a .wav he owns on CD and somehow convert it to play on our piano as it was originally recorded just on a piano? It is not imperative that we get all background parts--just so that piano is playing the entire time thru a song. We have a Dell PC that we would be using and the player is hardwired to my router.
Thanks.
Jean


-- 
Best regards, Spencer Chase
67550-Bell Springs Rd.
Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only.
Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only.
Spencer@...
http://www.spencerserolls.com
(707) 984-8356 
(425) 791-0309



Re: [disklavier] Can we increase our player song variety past Yamaha's offerings?

2011-08-30 by George Frederick Litterst

Good afternoon, everyone.

John, thanks for asking about Disklavier Radio and offering your kind remarks about the Zenph re-performances.

Zenph has recently put forth a number of proposals to Yamaha, including the use of its re-performance material on Disklavier Radio. I believe that to be a secure solution. I hope that this can be worked out.

Regards,
PianoBench


On Aug 30, 2011, at 2:47 PM, John Cagle wrote:

George,


What about having a Zenph Re-Performance channel on Disklavier Radio? Is that not secure enough? That would give me a good reason to subscribe (I don't currently).

Thanks,
John

On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 12:15 PM, George Frederick Litterst <PianoBench@...> wrote:

Good afternoon, everyone.


Spencer is correct that it is a very difficult undertaking to convert audio recordings to MIDI for playback on a Disklavier. However, this is one of the special technologies that has been developed at Zenph Sound Innovations and which continues to be developed by Zenph.

Thus far, Zenph has converted or "re-performed" original audio recordings by Glenn Gould (Goldberg Variations and Bach Inventions), Art Tatum, Sergei Rachmaninoff, Oscar Peterson, George Gershwin, and others. In house, Zenph plays all of this data on the Disklavier Pro. Some of this performance data is available for playback on the LX player piano system. Many of these re-performances have been presented in public (such as at the Newport Music Festival in 2010 and 2011), and many of them have been used to create new audio recordings (www.zenph.com/the-music.html).

If Yamaha one day produces a secure way to deliver this content for the Disklavier, it will be made available there as well.

Zenph does not have publicly available tools for converting audio to MIDI but continues to develop this technology for in-house use. Although it cannot be used to do the audio-to-MIDI conversion, Zenph's new RePerform MIDI editor offers the same kind of high quality MIDI editing that is used in-house at Zenph.

Regards,
PianoBench
(CCO/CTO at Zenph Sound Innovations)


On Aug 30, 2011, at 1:00 PM, Spencer chase wrote:

not possible. what you are asking for is a huge task. using current technology it takes many many manhours of time to convert a single audio recording to a piano file to play on your DKV. producing software to do this automatically would be a massive job and it is unlikely that anyone would find it cost effective to even try. there are programs that offer to "convert MP3 to MIDI" but they basically don't work except for very simple cases and badly at even those.

On 8/30/2011 4:42 AM, theta1870mom wrote:

We just purchased a DGC1ME3 and are trying to figure out if there is a way to get the piano to play a wider variety of popular songs than available via the Yamaha radio and music store downloads. My husband tried just downloading a copy of something onto USB, but when played into the piano it is 'missing' stuff. It only plays the piano that was in the original song and not as if the song was played originally on a piano. My DH wants to know if he can take a regular mp3 audio song he purchased on iTunes or Amazon or a .wav he owns on CD and somehow convert it to play on our piano as it was originally recorded just on a piano? It is not imperative that we get all background parts--just so that piano is playing the entire time thru a song. We have a Dell PC that we would be using and the player is hardwired to my router.
Thanks.
Jean


-- 
Best regards, Spencer Chase
67550-Bell Springs Rd.
Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only.
Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only.
Spencer@...
http://www.spencerserolls.com
(707) 984-8356 
(425) 791-0309






Re: [disklavier] Can we increase our player song variety past Yamaha's offerings?

2011-08-31 by Phil Blah

Hi Jean,

As the other guys said, the simple answer is no. The piano runs of strict maths, for example, Play this note for x amount of time, this hard. Now play this note for x amount of time this hard... etc etc actually the best example would be an old pianola, it's strictly shows if the note is to be played or not.. so if you connected a 'record player' to a pianola it would play a jumbly big mess..perhaps with the odd accurate note in the noise. So, It does not know if the singer or guitar or pop/click noise is a specific note or not. If it's a pure piano recording then it's actually more possible, but still murky and messy, I have personally used lots of different programs to convert piano solo mp3's to midi and they have been pretty horrible, you then have to spend hours using a midi editor to edit the mess....

However!  - With getting actual quality proper Disklaver friendly, piano beautiful pop songs, I have been saying this for years now, the Yamaha pop songs are crap. C R A P. They sound like mobile phone themes or the piano is heatless and robotic, plus they have never bothered to have 'modern pop songs' or covers with the original singer or a good cover singer. (using the piano disk with audio). The only ones are old daggy pop songs like Bette Midler that someone at yamaha just played OVER the original recordings.. pretty lame really. Same as those floating around on ebay. (actually, I suggest have a look on ebay, or older songs 'pop' songs (more like 1960's and less you can try webonlypiano.com)


So if anyone is out there who can play a pop songs 'nice' on the piano and can tweak the tempos plus use some nice chords, sorta remaster and if needed add beat on the synth that would be good. Or take it futher, have a good singer do the covers... use REAL instruments etc etc. They would have heaps of sales overnight. Don't anyone lecture me about 'licences' and crap, Yamaha already have permission now to make the songs they just don't try very hard. Also, If someone did these privatley I would pay as much as 10 bucks a song seriously. They could sell their songs on their website or ebay.

(message me privatley if you can read music really well and do 'nice' pop songs lol)


Just to rattle on more, when Yamaha released a few more Michael Jackson songs (after his death etc) I was so dissapointed in the rubbish, the piano part was like 1 or 2 keys at once plus horrible cheesy synth trying to fill in the 'voice'... come on. Honestly a 49k piano sounding like a big mobile phone.

So pop is out of the window, its just classical music, movie music, or jazz.

Cya

Philip






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From: theta1870mom <jauro@...>
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, 30 August 2011 9:42 PM
Subject: [disklavier] Can we increase our player song variety past Yamaha's offerings?


  
We just purchased a DGC1ME3 and are trying to figure out if there is a way to get the piano to play a wider variety of popular songs than available via the Yamaha radio and music store downloads.  My husband tried just downloading a copy of something onto USB, but when played into the piano it is 'missing' stuff.  It only plays the piano that was in the original song and not as if the song was played originally on a piano.  My DH wants to know if he can take a regular mp3 audio song he purchased on iTunes or Amazon or a .wav he owns on CD and somehow convert it to play on our piano as it was originally recorded just on a piano?  It is not imperative that we get all background parts--just so that piano is playing the entire time thru a song.  We have a Dell PC that we would be using and the player is hardwired to my router.
Thanks.
Jean

Re: [disklavier] Can we increase our player song variety past Yamaha's offerings?

2011-08-31 by JJ Huthwaite

If one can play well, can you add voice to disklavier recordings?


On 31 August 2011 10:40, Phil Blah <phil.blah@...> wrote:

Hi Jean,

As the other guys said, the simple answer is no. The piano runs of strict maths, for example, Play this note for x amount of time, this hard. Now play this note for x amount of time this hard... etc etc actually the best example would be an old pianola, it's strictly shows if the note is to be played or not.. so if you connected a 'record player' to a pianola it would play a jumbly big mess..perhaps with the odd accurate note in the noise. So, It does not know if the singer or guitar or pop/click noise is a specific note or not. If it's a pure piano recording then it's actually more possible, but still murky and messy, I have personally used lots of different programs to convert piano solo mp3's to midi and they have been pretty horrible, you then have to spend hours using a midi editor to edit the mess....

However! - With getting actual quality proper Disklaver friendly, piano beautiful pop songs, I have been saying this for years now, the Yamaha pop songs are crap. C R A P. They sound like mobile phone themes or the piano is heatless and robotic, plus they have never bothered to have 'modern pop songs' or covers with the original singer or a good cover singer. (using the piano disk with audio). The only ones are old daggy pop songs like Bette Midler that someone at yamaha just played OVER the original recordings.. pretty lame really. Same as those floating around on ebay. (actually, I suggest have a look on ebay, or older songs 'pop' songs (more like 1960's and less you can try webonlypiano.com)

So if anyone is out there who can play a pop songs 'nice' on the piano and can tweak the tempos plus use some nice chords, sorta remaster and if needed add beat on the synth that would be good. Or take it futher, have a good singer do the covers... use REAL instruments etc etc. They would have heaps of sales overnight. Don't anyone lecture me about 'licences'; and crap, Yamaha already have permission now to make the songs they just don't try very hard. Also, If someone did these privatley I would pay as much as 10 bucks a song seriously. They could sell their songs on their website or ebay.

(message me privatley if you can read music really well and do 'nice' pop songs lol)

Just to rattle on more, when Yamaha released a few more Michael Jackson songs (after his death etc) I was so dissapointed in the rubbish, the piano part was like 1 or 2 keys at once plus horrible cheesy synth trying to fill in the 'voice'... come on. Honestly a 49k piano sounding like a big mobile phone.

So pop is out of the window, its just classical music, movie music, or jazz.

Cya

Philip




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From: theta1870mom <jauro@...>
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, 30 August 2011 9:42 PM
Subject: [disklavier] Can we increase our player song variety past Yamaha's offerings?

We just purchased a DGC1ME3 and are trying to figure out if there is a way to get the piano to play a wider variety of popular songs than available via the Yamaha radio and music store downloads. My husband tried just downloading a copy of something onto USB, but when played into the piano it is 'missing' stuff. It only plays the piano that was in the original song and not as if the song was played originally on a piano. My DH wants to know if he can take a regular mp3 audio song he purchased on iTunes or Amazon or a .wav he owns on CD and somehow convert it to play on our piano as it was originally recorded just on a piano? It is not imperative that we get all background parts--just so that piano is playing the entire time thru a song. We have a Dell PC that we would be using and the player is hardwired to my router.
Thanks.
Jean




Re: Can we increase our player song variety past Yamaha's offerings?

2011-09-03 by theta1870mom

Any way to get PianoDisc or QRS songs to play when downloaded onto disk or USB?  I haven't checked their libraries to see if it they even better.

Jean

--- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, JJ Huthwaite <huthwaite@...> wrote:
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>
> If one can play well, can you add voice to disklavier recordings?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 31 August 2011 10:40, Phil Blah <phil.blah@...> wrote:
> 
> > **
> >
> >
> >  Hi Jean,
> >
> > As the other guys said, the simple answer is no. The piano runs of strict
> > maths, for example, Play this note for x amount of time, this hard. Now play
> > this note for x amount of time this hard... etc etc actually the best
> > example would be an old pianola, it's strictly shows if the note is to be
> > played or not.. so if you connected a 'record player' to a pianola it would
> > play a jumbly big mess..perhaps with the odd accurate note in the noise. So,
> > It does not know if the singer or guitar or pop/click noise is a specific
> > note or not. If it's a pure piano recording then it's actually more
> > possible, but still murky and messy, I have personally used lots of
> > different programs to convert piano solo mp3's to midi and they have been
> > pretty horrible, you then have to spend hours using a midi editor to edit
> > the mess....
> >
> > However!  - With getting actual quality proper Disklaver friendly, piano
> > beautiful pop songs, I have been saying this for years now, the Yamaha pop
> > songs are crap. C R A P. They sound like mobile phone themes or the piano is
> > heatless and robotic, plus they have never bothered to have 'modern pop
> > songs' or covers with the original singer or a good cover singer. (using the
> > piano disk with audio). The only ones are old daggy pop songs like Bette
> > Midler that someone at yamaha just played OVER the original recordings..
> > pretty lame really. Same as those floating around on ebay. (actually, I
> > suggest have a look on ebay, or older songs 'pop' songs (more like 1960's
> > and less you can try webonlypiano.com)
> >
> > So if anyone is out there who can play a pop songs 'nice' on the piano and
> > can tweak the tempos plus use some nice chords, sorta remaster and if needed
> > add beat on the synth that would be good. Or take it futher, have a good
> > singer do the covers... use REAL instruments etc etc. They would have heaps
> > of sales overnight. Don't anyone lecture me about 'licences' and crap,
> > Yamaha already have permission now to make the songs they just don't try
> > very hard. Also, If someone did these privatley I would pay as much as 10
> > bucks a song seriously. They could sell their songs on their website or
> > ebay.
> >
> > (message me privatley if you can read music really well and do 'nice' pop
> > songs lol)
> >
> > Just to rattle on more, when Yamaha released a few more Michael Jackson
> > songs (after his death etc) I was so dissapointed in the rubbish, the piano
> > part was like 1 or 2 keys at once plus horrible cheesy synth trying to fill
> > in the 'voice'... come on. Honestly a 49k piano sounding like a big mobile
> > phone.
> >
> > So pop is out of the window, its just classical music, movie music, or
> > jazz.
> >
> > Cya
> >
> > Philip
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >  ------------------------------
> > *From:* theta1870mom <jauro@...>
> > *To:* disklavier@yahoogroups.com
> > *Sent:* Tuesday, 30 August 2011 9:42 PM
> > *Subject:* [disklavier] Can we increase our player song variety past
> > Yamaha's offerings?
> >
> >
> > We just purchased a DGC1ME3 and are trying to figure out if there is a way
> > to get the piano to play a wider variety of popular songs than available via
> > the Yamaha radio and music store downloads. My husband tried just
> > downloading a copy of something onto USB, but when played into the piano it
> > is 'missing' stuff. It only plays the piano that was in the original song
> > and not as if the song was played originally on a piano. My DH wants to know
> > if he can take a regular mp3 audio song he purchased on iTunes or Amazon or
> > a .wav he owns on CD and somehow convert it to play on our piano as it was
> > originally recorded just on a piano? It is not imperative that we get all
> > background parts--just so that piano is playing the entire time thru a song.
> > We have a Dell PC that we would be using and the player is hardwired to my
> > router.
> > Thanks.
> > Jean
> >
> >
> >
> >  
> >
>

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