Disklavier

 From: shelbycalvert <shelbycalvert@...>
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 3:59 PM
Subject: [disklavier] Mark IV being discontinued?
 

  
Hello!  I'm brand new to this group.  We just purchased a Disklavier last month and will receive it on Wednesday.  We are so excited.

Anyway, after we had purchased our piano, the owner of the piano store called and said that the Mark IV was being discontinued in October.  He upgraded us to a piano that was in stock somewhere (larger size) for no additional cost.  Although it worked out OK for us, I was wondering if anyone else has heard that Yamaha is discontinuing the Mark IV Series?

Please excuse me if this has come up already.  I tried to search the topics before I posted, but I didn't see anything.

>
> Hello!  I'm brand new to this group.  We just purchased a Disklavier last month and will receive it on Wednesday.  We are so excited.
> 
> Anyway, after we had purchased our piano, the owner of the piano store called and said that the Mark IV was being discontinued in October.  He upgraded us to a piano that was in stock somewhere (larger size) for no additional cost.  Although it worked out OK for us, I was wondering if anyone else has heard that Yamaha is discontinuing the Mark IV Series?
> 
> Please excuse me if this has come up already.  I tried to search the topics before I posted, but I didn't see anything.
>

>
> Hmm.
> 
> I'd be disappointed, I think. Â Unless, of course, you value the larger piano size (which is nothing to complain about!).
> 
> There is no other "upgrade" involved, in my opinion. Â The E3/DKC-850 is a "downgrade" from a functional perspective.
> 
> It's quite possible that others here will feel differently, though...
> 
> On the other hand, I think this is the first mention of the Mark IV being discontinued.  No real surprise.  It is pretty dated. 
> 
> -Kevin
> 
> 
> ________________________________
>  From: shelbycalvert <shelbycalvert@...>
> To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 3:59 PM
> Subject: [disklavier] Mark IV being discontinued?
>  
> 
> Â  
> Hello!  I'm brand new to this group.  We just purchased a Disklavier last month and will receive it on Wednesday.  We are so excited.
> 
> Anyway, after we had purchased our piano, the owner of the piano store called and said that the Mark IV was being discontinued in October.  He upgraded us to a piano that was in stock somewhere (larger size) for no additional cost.  Although it worked out OK for us, I was wondering if anyone else has heard that Yamaha is discontinuing the Mark IV Series?
> 
> Please excuse me if this has come up already.  I tried to search the topics before I posted, but I didn't see anything.
>

On Aug 13 2012, Kevin Goroway wrote: 

>Hmm.
>
>I'd be disappointed, I think. Â Unless, of course, you value the larger piano size (which is nothing to complain about!).
>
>There is no other "upgrade" involved, in my opinion. Â The E3/DKC-850 is a "downgrade" from a functional perspective.
>
>It's quite possible that others here will feel differently, though...
>
>On the other hand, I think this is the first mention of the Mark IV being discontinued.  No real surprise.  It is pretty dated. 
>
>-Kevin
>
>
>________________________________
> From: shelbycalvert 
>To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com 
>Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 3:59 PM
>Subject: [disklavier] Mark IV being discontinued?
> 
>
>Â  
>Hello! I'm brand new to this group. We just purchased a Disklavier last month and will receive it on Wednesday. We are so excited.
>
>Anyway, after we had purchased our piano, the owner of the piano store called and said that the Mark IV was being discontinued in October. He upgraded us to a piano that was in stock somewhere (larger size) for no additional cost. Although it worked out OK for us, I was wondering if anyone else has heard that Yamaha is discontinuing the Mark IV Series?
>
>Please excuse me if this has come up already. I tried to search the topics before I posted, but I didn't see anything.
>
>
>

On Sep 8, 2012, at 9:41 PM, George Frederick Litterst wrote:


>
>Good evening, everyone. 
>
>
>Barbara, when you say "upgrading to the new E3," are you referring to replacing your existing control unit with a DKC-850? If so, I recommend that you consider installing the control unit yourself. It is extraordinarily easy. The kit comes with all of the necessary cables and excellent instructions. Of course having a Disklavier technician come out and check the regulation and calibration of the instrument is always a good idea.
>
>
>Regards,
>PianoBench
>
>
>http://www.georgelitterst.com/
>
>On Sep 7, 2012, at 3:11 PM, Barbara Graff wrote:
>
>
>>
>>I currently have a Mark III and have checked into upgrading to the new E3. I understand you lose some functionality- you lose ability to record 16 channels.
>>For someone who likes to record themselves playing and make professional-like recordings of original and cover music (and currently has to do that on the oudated floppy discs) any thoughts on on the E3? Is it worth the 3-4 month wait and the $1500-$2000 to install it? Just how much user-friendlier is the new unit, and what do you lose in quality if anything?
>>
>>
>>
>>________________________________
>>From: athomik <mangez@...>
>>To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com 
>>Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2012 9:59 AM
>>Subject: Re: [disklavier] Mark IV being discontinued?
>>
>>
>>  
>>In Europe, this was supposed to happen some time ago (at least since early last year), but they still kept appearing. 
>>I suspect that, as the E3 is a more user friendly - i.e. less complicated - product, it is more aimed at the mass market (such as there is with pianos).
>>
>>
>>Apart from a lot of enthusiastic owners in the US, a lot of the world's MkIV markets weren't all that interested in the range of functional possibilities this model offered. I know of (quite wealthy) people in the UK who bought this model years ago and only ever use it for back ground music. Many owners are not even aware of what this piano can do or how to use most of it's functions. - and a lot of them don't even play the piano. ;-)
>>
>>athomik
>>
>>On Aug 13 2012, Kevin Goroway wrote: 
>>
>>>Hmm.
>>>
>>>I'd be disappointed, I think. Â Unless, of course, you value the larger piano size (which is nothing to complain about!).
>>>
>>>There is no other "upgrade" involved, in my opinion. Â The E3/DKC-850 is a "downgrade" from a functional perspective.
>>>
>>>It's quite possible that others here will feel differently, though...
>>>
>>>On the other hand, I think this is the first mention of the Mark IV being discontinued.  No real surprise.  It is pretty dated. 
>>>
>>>-Kevin
>>>
>>>
>>>________________________________
>>> From: shelbycalvert 
>>>To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com 
>>>Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 3:59 PM
>>>Subject: [disklavier] Mark IV being discontinued?
>>> 
>>>
>>>Â  
>>>Hello! I'm brand new to this group. We just purchased a Disklavier last month and will receive it on Wednesday. We are so excited.
>>>
>>>Anyway, after we had purchased our piano, the owner of the piano store called and said that the Mark IV was being discontinued in October. He upgraded us to a piano that was in stock somewhere (larger size) for no additional cost. Although it worked out OK for us, I was wondering if anyone else has heard that Yamaha is discontinuing the Mark IV Series?
>>>
>>>Please excuse me if this has come up already. I tried to search the topics before I posted, but I didn't see anything.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>

>
> 
> 
> Maybe time for a Mark V!  Go speed racer, go!
> :)
> 
> --- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, "shelbycalvert" <shelbycalvert@> wrote:
> >
> > Hello!  I'm brand new to this group.  We just purchased a Disklavier last month and will receive it on Wednesday.  We are so excited.
> > 
> > Anyway, after we had purchased our piano, the owner of the piano store called and said that the Mark IV was being discontinued in October.  He upgraded us to a piano that was in stock somewhere (larger size) for no additional cost.  Although it worked out OK for us, I was wondering if anyone else has heard that Yamaha is discontinuing the Mark IV Series?
> > 
> > Please excuse me if this has come up already.  I tried to search the topics before I posted, but I didn't see anything.
> >
>

>
> 
> I wish I could be as optimistic as others are on the future of the Disklavier Mark series product line.  I have only started to mine the rich depths of the combination of my C5 Pro -Mk IIXG with the DKC-850 upgrade (add-in mode).  With the help of so many talented contributors to this site I've been able to play songs from my laptop (with midi software and the DKBrowser), my iPhone, my Sonos distributed music system; record my own playing as well as others; trial songs off the Disklavier Radio, and so much more.  
> 
> Special thanks to the contributions to this amazing users group from folks like Bill Brandom of Yamaha as well as Carol Beigel, Mark Fontana, Kevin Goroway, Spencer Chase, George Litterst, Athomik, Aaron and so many others (many who I only know from their screen names) for making the rich experience with my Disklavier a level of musical entertainment and discovery I only barely understood when I started researching these amazing instruments.  However, having been involved in the technology industry and marketing in particular, I can't see a strong motivation on the part of the Yamaha Corporation to advance the product line beyond the E-3 series it is promoting in Europe (and the Americas with greater emphasis now).  
> 
> The capabilities of the Mark IV and especially the Pro models are beyond what so many regular piano players and even some younger artists would now need or utilize, that it has become (in this lagging economy) such a special electro-acoustic tool in volume sales as to be beyond most consumer's piano budget capacity and beyond the reasonable allocation of engineering budgets for even the giant Yamaha corporation.  With their acquisitions of the Boosendofer line of high-end instruments, Yamaha divisions can handle the very up-market customers while on the other hand, their remarkable line of purely digital pianos can accommodate most of the customers that love the sound and touch of an acoustic piano within the price-point of a high-end synthesizer.   
> 
> Many have waxed eloquently about the potential of a Disklavier Mark V for years now.  However, even with the cool upgrades to the Mark IV and E-3/DKC-850 firmware/software, the total equation is still dependent on the ever-changing personal computer technological marketplace which demands faster computation, larger storage capacity, more network security, smart device interfacing, digital rights management, and so much more attached to a very large, heavy, and mostly several-hundred-year-old acoustic instrument design.  The Mark IV hardware and software are now ancient compared to what the computer industry is offering. 
> 
> It must be a tough situation for many Yamaha piano retailers as well.  The Disklavier Mark models filled an important niche that not only attracted first time buyers into the showroom but lately provided an upgrade path for their pre-owned and older Disklavier inventory.  If it is indeed true that Yamaha has decided to quit producing the Mark IV line without ascendency (other than the E3 which is a whole different beast), this could present both an opportunity to grab a reasonably priced larger model and allow the dealers to clear out their old inventory with sales incentives from Yamaha.  Alas, the Pro models many of us love because of their amazing accuracy of reproduction may be lost in this product challenge.  While the e-competition will still be able to rely on the many number of institutional Pro models still around, eventually the head-units and internal electronic components of the DK Pro units will cease to have replacement parts and will not see the same repair potential of even the old yet still working Duo-Art, Ampico, and similar reproducing players that can to this day be rebuilt with wood, rubber, felt, and metal parts.  
> 
> In addition, the increasing lack of new pianosoft titles and content is not keeping up with the general growth of the popular music industry.  While many titles still actively sold and available for the Disklavier are pretty amazing in their musicality (artist Mike Garson comes to mind), a number of titles sold under the smart-pianosoft line have (IMHO) lackluster piano accompaniment and many of the older midi-orchestration accompaniment titles sound pretty cheesy with the tone generators found on the E3-DKC-850 head units especially when compared with the Mark IIXG to IV tone generators (this is why I've used the DKC-850 as an "add-on" not "replacement" installation). 
> 
> Is the writing on the wall for the amazing Disklavier Mark series, or is this just another chapter.  Surprise and delight us Yamaha, you have before

> 
> --- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, "sjhart110110" <sjhart110@> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > 
> > Maybe time for a Mark V!  Go speed racer, go!
> > :)
> > 
> > --- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, "shelbycalvert" <shelbycalvert@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello!  I'm brand new to this group.  We just purchased a Disklavier last month and will receive it on Wednesday.  We are so excited.
> > > 
> > > Anyway, after we had purchased our piano, the owner of the piano store called and said that the Mark IV was being discontinued in October.  He upgraded us to a piano that was in stock somewhere (larger size) for no additional cost.  Although it worked out OK for us, I was wondering if anyone else has heard that Yamaha is discontinuing the Mark IV Series?
> > > 
> > > Please excuse me if this has come up already.  I tried to search the topics before I posted, but I didn't see anything.
> > >
> >
>

>
> Yes, according to a reliable source (a confident/knowledgable yamaha authorized store owner) Mark IV will be replaced with X, and the PRO line of pianos will be dropped. The good news is that all X models will come with cool PRO resolution/functionality. There will be no other disklavier option avail. He said, that the new models will be in the format DC#X and mostly made in Europe, but he wasn't sure exactly where.
> 
> He didn't know why they picked X.. Maybe because Apple has been doing pretty good with their OSX.   ;-)
> 
> --- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, "kassey22000" <kassey22000@> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > I wish I could be as optimistic as others are on the future of the Disklavier Mark series product line.  I have only started to mine the rich depths of the combination of my C5 Pro -Mk IIXG with the DKC-850 upgrade (add-in mode).  With the help of so many talented contributors to this site I've been able to play songs from my laptop (with midi software and the DKBrowser), my iPhone, my Sonos distributed music system; record my own playing as well as others; trial songs off the Disklavier Radio, and so much more.  
> > 
> > Special thanks to the contributions to this amazing users group from folks like Bill Brandom of Yamaha as well as Carol Beigel, Mark Fontana, Kevin Goroway, Spencer Chase, George Litterst, Athomik, Aaron and so many others (many who I only know from their screen names) for making the rich experience with my Disklavier a level of musical entertainment and discovery I only barely understood when I started researching these amazing instruments.  However, having been involved in the technology industry and marketing in particular, I can't see a strong motivation on the part of the Yamaha Corporation to advance the product line beyond the E-3 series it is promoting in Europe (and the Americas with greater emphasis now).  
> > 
> > The capabilities of the Mark IV and especially the Pro models are beyond what so many regular piano players and even some younger artists would now need or utilize, that it has become (in this lagging economy) such a special electro-acoustic tool in volume sales as to be beyond most consumer's piano budget capacity and beyond the reasonable allocation of engineering budgets for even the giant Yamaha corporation.  With their acquisitions of the Boosendofer line of high-end instruments, Yamaha divisions can handle the very up-market customers while on the other hand, their remarkable line of purely digital pianos can accommodate most of the customers that love the sound and touch of an acoustic piano within the price-point of a high-end synthesizer.   
> > 
> > Many have waxed eloquently about the potential of a Disklavier Mark V for years now.  However, even with the cool upgrades to the Mark IV and E-3/DKC-850 firmware/software, the total equation is still dependent on the ever-changing personal computer technological marketplace which demands faster computation, larger storage capacity, more network security, smart device interfacing, digital rights management, and so much more attached to a very large, heavy, and mostly several-hundred-year-old acoustic instrument design.  The Mark IV hardware and software are now ancient compared to what the computer industry is offering. 
> > 
> > It must be a tough situation for many Yamaha piano retailers as well.  The Disklavier Mark models filled an important niche that not only attracted first time buyers into the showroom but lately provided an upgrade path for their pre-owned and older Disklavier inventory.  If it is indeed true that Yamaha has decided to quit producing the Mark IV line without ascendency (other than the E3 which is a whole different beast), this could present both an opportunity to grab a reasonably priced larger model and allow the dealers to clear out their old inventory with sales incentives from Yamaha.  Alas, the Pro models many of us love because of their amazing accuracy of reproduction may be lost in this product challenge.  While the e-competition will still be able to rely on the many number of institutional Pro models still around, eventually the head-units and internal electronic components of the DK Pro units will cease to have replacement parts and will not see the same repair potential of even the old yet still working Duo-Art, Ampico, and similar reproducing players that can to this day be rebuilt with wood, rubber, felt, and metal parts.  
> > 
> > In addition, the increasing lack of new pianosoft titles and content is not keeping up with the general growth of the popular music industry.  While many titles still actively sold and available for the Disklavier are pretty amazing in their musicality (artist Mike Garson comes to mind), a number of titles sold under the smart-pianosoft line have (IMHO) lackluster piano accompaniment and many of the older midi-orchestration accompaniment titles sound pretty cheesy with the tone generators found on the E3-DKC-850 head units especially when compared with the Mark IIXG to IV tone generators (this is why I've used the DKC-850 as an "add-on" not "replacement" installation). 
> > 
> > Is the writing on the wall for the amazing Disklavier Mark series, or is this just another chapter.  Surprise and delight us Yamaha, you have before

> > 
> > --- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, "sjhart110110" <sjhart110@> wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Maybe time for a Mark V!  Go speed racer, go!
> > > :)
> > > 
> > > --- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, "shelbycalvert" <shelbycalvert@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hello!  I'm brand new to this group.  We just purchased a Disklavier last month and will receive it on Wednesday.  We are so excited.
> > > > 
> > > > Anyway, after we had purchased our piano, the owner of the piano store called and said that the Mark IV was being discontinued in October.  He upgraded us to a piano that was in stock somewhere (larger size) for no additional cost.  Although it worked out OK for us, I was wondering if anyone else has heard that Yamaha is discontinuing the Mark IV Series?
> > > > 
> > > > Please excuse me if this has come up already.  I tried to search the topics before I posted, but I didn't see anything.
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

>
> Yes, according to a reliable source (a confident/knowledgable yamaha authorized store owner) Mark IV will be replaced with X, and the PRO line of pianos will be dropped. The good news is that all X models will come with cool PRO resolution/functionality. There will be no other disklavier option avail. He said, that the new models will be in the format DC#X and mostly made in Europe, but he wasn't sure exactly where.
> 
> He didn't know why they picked X.. Maybe because Apple has been doing pretty good with their OSX.   ;-)
> 
> --- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, "kassey22000" <kassey22000@> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > I wish I could be as optimistic as others are on the future of the Disklavier Mark series product line.  I have only started to mine the rich depths of the combination of my C5 Pro -Mk IIXG with the DKC-850 upgrade (add-in mode).  With the help of so many talented contributors to this site I've been able to play songs from my laptop (with midi software and the DKBrowser), my iPhone, my Sonos distributed music system; record my own playing as well as others; trial songs off the Disklavier Radio, and so much more.  
> > 
> > Special thanks to the contributions to this amazing users group from folks like Bill Brandom of Yamaha as well as Carol Beigel, Mark Fontana, Kevin Goroway, Spencer Chase, George Litterst, Athomik, Aaron and so many others (many who I only know from their screen names) for making the rich experience with my Disklavier a level of musical entertainment and discovery I only barely understood when I started researching these amazing instruments.  However, having been involved in the technology industry and marketing in particular, I can't see a strong motivation on the part of the Yamaha Corporation to advance the product line beyond the E-3 series it is promoting in Europe (and the Americas with greater emphasis now).  
> > 
> > The capabilities of the Mark IV and especially the Pro models are beyond what so many regular piano players and even some younger artists would now need or utilize, that it has become (in this lagging economy) such a special electro-acoustic tool in volume sales as to be beyond most consumer's piano budget capacity and beyond the reasonable allocation of engineering budgets for even the giant Yamaha corporation.  With their acquisitions of the Boosendofer line of high-end instruments, Yamaha divisions can handle the very up-market customers while on the other hand, their remarkable line of purely digital pianos can accommodate most of the customers that love the sound and touch of an acoustic piano within the price-point of a high-end synthesizer.   
> > 
> > Many have waxed eloquently about the potential of a Disklavier Mark V for years now.  However, even with the cool upgrades to the Mark IV and E-3/DKC-850 firmware/software, the total equation is still dependent on the ever-changing personal computer technological marketplace which demands faster computation, larger storage capacity, more network security, smart device interfacing, digital rights management, and so much more attached to a very large, heavy, and mostly several-hundred-year-old acoustic instrument design.  The Mark IV hardware and software are now ancient compared to what the computer industry is offering. 
> > 
> > It must be a tough situation for many Yamaha piano retailers as well.  The Disklavier Mark models filled an important niche that not only attracted first time buyers into the showroom but lately provided an upgrade path for their pre-owned and older Disklavier inventory.  If it is indeed true that Yamaha has decided to quit producing the Mark IV line without ascendency (other than the E3 which is a whole different beast), this could present both an opportunity to grab a reasonably priced larger model and allow the dealers to clear out their old inventory with sales incentives from Yamaha.  Alas, the Pro models many of us love because of their amazing accuracy of reproduction may be lost in this product challenge.  While the e-competition will still be able to rely on the many number of institutional Pro models still around, eventually the head-units and internal electronic components of the DK Pro units will cease to have replacement parts and will not see the same repair potential of even the old yet still working Duo-Art, Ampico, and similar reproducing players that can to this day be rebuilt with wood, rubber, felt, and metal parts.  
> > 
> > In addition, the increasing lack of new pianosoft titles and content is not keeping up with the general growth of the popular music industry.  While many titles still actively sold and available for the Disklavier are pretty amazing in their musicality (artist Mike Garson comes to mind), a number of titles sold under the smart-pianosoft line have (IMHO) lackluster piano accompaniment and many of the older midi-orchestration accompaniment titles sound pretty cheesy with the tone generators found on the E3-DKC-850 head units especially when compared with the Mark IIXG to IV tone generators (this is why I've used the DKC-850 as an "add-on" not "replacement" installation). 
> > 
> > Is the writing on the wall for the amazing Disklavier Mark series, or is this just another chapter.  Surprise and delight us Yamaha, you have before

> > 
> > --- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, "sjhart110110" <sjhart110@> wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Maybe time for a Mark V!  Go speed racer, go!
> > > :)
> > > 
> > > --- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, "shelbycalvert" <shelbycalvert@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hello!  I'm brand new to this group.  We just purchased a Disklavier last month and will receive it on Wednesday.  We are so excited.
> > > > 
> > > > Anyway, after we had purchased our piano, the owner of the piano store called and said that the Mark IV was being discontinued in October.  He upgraded us to a piano that was in stock somewhere (larger size) for no additional cost.  Although it worked out OK for us, I was wondering if anyone else has heard that Yamaha is discontinuing the Mark IV Series?
> > > > 
> > > > Please excuse me if this has come up already.  I tried to search the topics before I posted, but I didn't see anything.
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Folks, it seems like there is some confusion about what Yamaha is doing with Disklavier. Let me see if I can clarify what is currently happening.

- The Mark IV and Mark IV PRO are no longer in production. However, both are being supported by Yamaha. The operating systems of these pianos will continue to be updated with new capabilities.

- E3 and E3 PRO pianos are what are currently being produced by Yamaha.

- Very recently Yamaha introduced a new series of acoustic grand pianos called the CX series. These acoustic models begin with C1X and go through C7X. This CX series is using much of the same technology that is being used to produce Yamaha's flagship CFX Concert Grand Piano. The new CX series is a considerable improvement over earlier C series grand pianos. So, any Disklavier with an X in the model name is in one of the new CX series grand pianos.

- In the United States, Yamaha is now selling both the E3 and E3 PRO instruments. For the last few years Yamaha offered the E3 in 5'8" grand pianos and smaller. These pianos did not have the Silent system. Now, all Disklavier E3 grands other than the DGB1KE3 and the DGB1KE3 Classic have the Silent system. The DU1E3 Upright piano does NOT have the Silent system.

- 5'8" and smaller E3 Grands without Silent systems are models: DGB1KE3, DGB1KE3 Classic, DGC1ME3, DGC2E3, DC1E3, DC2E3

- 5'8" and smaller E3 grand pianos with Silent systems are: DGC1E3S, DGC2E3S, DC1XE3S, DC2XE3S

- All Disklavier E3 grands 6'1" and larger are E3 PRO systems. These models (with Silent systems) are: DC3XE3PRO, DC5XE3PRO, DC6XE3PRO, DC7XE3PRO, DS4E3PRO, DS6E3PRO, and DCFXE3PRO

- The DU1E3 is the only E3 upright piano offered at this time.

I hope this information helps a bit...

Bill Brandom

>
>
>- 5'8" and smaller E3 Grands without Silent systems are models: DGB1KE3, DGB1KE3 Classic, DGC1ME3, DGC2E3, DC1E3, DC2E3
>
>
>- 5'8" and smaller E3 grand pianos with Silent systems are: DGC1E3S, DGC2E3S, DC1XE3S, DC2XE3S
>
>
>- All Disklavier E3 grands 6'1" and larger are E3 PRO systems. These models (with Silent systems) are: DC3XE3PRO, DC5XE3PRO, DC6XE3PRO, DC7XE3PRO, DS4E3PRO, DS6E3PRO, and DCFXE3PRO
>
>
>- The DU1E3 is the only E3 upright piano offered at this time.
>
>
>I hope this information helps a bit...
>
>
>Bill Brandom
>
>

>
> Ernst,
> Sorry to interrupt, but DKVBrowser will do what you want. Â It will let you backup all of the information you add to a file, and restore it later. Â Also, you can print out a full catalog of what is on your piano with song name, pianist, style, composer, or whatever you have chosen to put in the "comments" field.
> 
> If you have any questions about how to do that with DKVBrowser, please ask on the DKVBrowser group so we don't clutter this group with DKVBrowser specific questions.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> 
> ________________________________
>  From: Ernst Erb <erb@...>
> To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com; Bill Brandom <bill.brandom03@...> 
> Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2012 3:49 AM
> Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re: Mark IV being discontinued?
>  
> 
> Â  
> Dear Bill
> Thank you for the clarifications.  This is for general interest - as
>     also my questions to it:
> 
> Having a wonderful Yamaha Disklavier DS6 B M4 PRO (since Mid 2007) I'm watching this because I suffer from a very old fashioned disk system. Every year I invite international Jazz piano players to play for good money and I use also piano-e-composition and can therefore enjoy very good "life" piano music in our home:
> www.bed-breakfast-wellness.ch
> 
> My remote seems to be dead and therefore I use iPhone and iPad
>       which is fine. The problem with any of those remote:
> At least I can not put back (by USB-stick) what I copied, by
>       having "written in" the data of composer, pianist, title, style
>       etc. as I can for instance do on iTunes. I would like to show on
>       paper what can be heard, all having a running number which
>       corresponds with the piano content in the remote or iPhone etc.
> 
> I can imagine that there are sufficient owners who would pay quite
>       a lot for changing their "computer" within the piano to be able to
>       obtain a system like iTunes or so ... 
> Have theses CX series or E3 PRO any advantage in this field? What
>       are the advantages over DS6 B M4 PRO?
> 
> Thank you for further clarification.
> Cordially,
> Ernest, Switzerland
> 
> 
>  
> Am 29.12.2012 02:54, schrieb Bill Brandom:
> 
> Â  
> >Folks, it seems like there is some confusion about what Yamaha is doing with Disklavier. Let me see if I can clarify what is currently happening.
> >
> >
> >- The Mark IV and Mark IV PRO are no longer in production. However, both are being supported by Yamaha. The operating systems of these pianos will continue to be updated with new capabilities.
> >
> >
> >- E3 and E3 PRO pianos are what are currently being produced by Yamaha.
> >
> >
> >- Very recently Yamaha introduced a new series of acoustic grand pianos called the CX series. These acoustic models begin with C1X and go through C7X. This CX series is using much of the same technology that is being used to produce Yamaha's flagship CFX Concert Grand Piano. The new CX series is a considerable improvement over earlier C series grand pianos. So, any Disklavier with an X in the model name is in one of the new CX series grand pianos. 
> >
> >- In the United States, Yamaha is now selling both the E3
>               and E3 PRO instruments. For the last few years Yamaha
>               offered the E3 in 5'8" grand pianos and smaller. These
>               pianos did not have the Silent system. Now, all Disklavier
>               E3 grands other than the DGB1KE3 and the DGB1KE3 Classic
>               have the Silent system. The DU1E3 Upright piano does NOT
>               have the Silent system.
> >
> >
> >- 5'8" and smaller E3 Grands without Silent systems are models: DGB1KE3, DGB1KE3 Classic, DGC1ME3, DGC2E3, DC1E3, DC2E3
> >
> >
> >- 5'8" and smaller E3 grand pianos with Silent systems are: DGC1E3S, DGC2E3S, DC1XE3S, DC2XE3S
> >
> >
> >- All Disklavier E3 grands 6'1" and larger are E3 PRO systems. These models (with Silent systems) are: DC3XE3PRO, DC5XE3PRO, DC6XE3PRO, DC7XE3PRO, DS4E3PRO, DS6E3PRO, and DCFXE3PRO
> >
> >
> >- The DU1E3 is the only E3 upright piano offered at this time.
> >
> >
> >I hope this information helps a bit...
> >
> >
> >Bill Brandom
> >
> >
>

On Dec 28, 2012, at 5:54 PM, Bill Brandom <bill.brandom03@...> wrote:

> Folks, it seems like there is some confusion about what Yamaha is doing with Disklavier. Let me see if I can clarify what is currently happening.
> 
> 
> - The Mark IV and Mark IV PRO are no longer in production. However, both are being supported by Yamaha. The operating systems of these pianos will continue to be updated with new capabilities.
> 
> - E3 and E3 PRO pianos are what are currently being produced by Yamaha.
> 
> - Very recently Yamaha introduced a new series of acoustic grand pianos called the CX series. These acoustic models begin with C1X and go through C7X. This CX series is using much of the same technology that is being used to produce Yamaha's flagship CFX Concert Grand Piano. The new CX series is a considerable improvement over earlier C series grand pianos. So, any Disklavier with an X in the model name is in one of the new CX series grand pianos. 
> 
> - In the United States, Yamaha is now selling both the E3 and E3 PRO instruments. For the last few years Yamaha offered the E3 in 5'8" grand pianos and smaller. These pianos did not have the Silent system. Now, all Disklavier E3 grands other than the DGB1KE3 and the DGB1KE3 Classic have the Silent system. The DU1E3 Upright piano does NOT have the Silent system.
> 
> - 5'8" and smaller E3 Grands without Silent systems are models: DGB1KE3, DGB1KE3 Classic, DGC1ME3, DGC2E3, DC1E3, DC2E3
> 
> - 5'8" and smaller E3 grand pianos with Silent systems are: DGC1E3S, DGC2E3S, DC1XE3S, DC2XE3S
> 
> - All Disklavier E3 grands 6'1" and larger are E3 PRO systems. These models (with Silent systems) are: DC3XE3PRO, DC5XE3PRO, DC6XE3PRO, DC7XE3PRO, DS4E3PRO, DS6E3PRO, and DCFXE3PRO
> 
> - The DU1E3 is the only E3 upright piano offered at this time.
> 
> I hope this information helps a bit...
> 
> Bill Brandom
> 
>

On Dec 29, 2012, at 15:39, "kassey22000" <kassey22000@...> wrote:

> Hi Kevin, given this new information on the extension of the E3 series do you think there might be enough new customers to warrant revisiting porting the full features of your marvelous DKVBrowser software to the E3/DKC-850?  Maybe Yamaha will be more open with the environment now?  The iPhone/iPad applications are sooooo lacking in features compared with the DKVB.  
> 
> Well we can hope :-)
> 
> 
> --- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Goroway <kgoroway@...> wrote:
>> 
>> Ernst,
>> Sorry to interrupt, but DKVBrowser will do what you want. Â It will let you backup all of the information you add to a file, and restore it later. Â Also, you can print out a full catalog of what is on your piano with song name, pianist, style, composer, or whatever you have chosen to put in the "comments" field.
>> 
>> If you have any questions about how to do that with DKVBrowser, please ask on the DKVBrowser group so we don't clutter this group with DKVBrowser specific questions.
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> 
>> ________________________________
>> From: Ernst Erb <erb@...>
>> To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com; Bill Brandom <bill.brandom03@...> 
>> Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2012 3:49 AM
>> Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re: Mark IV being discontinued?
>> 
>> 
>> Â  
>> Dear Bill
>> Thank you for the clarifications.  This is for general interest - as
>>    also my questions to it:
>> 
>> Having a wonderful Yamaha Disklavier DS6 B M4 PRO (since Mid 2007) I'm watching this because I suffer from a very old fashioned disk system. Every year I invite international Jazz piano players to play for good money and I use also piano-e-composition and can therefore enjoy very good "life" piano music in our home:
>> www.bed-breakfast-wellness.ch
>> 
>> My remote seems to be dead and therefore I use iPhone and iPad
>>      which is fine. The problem with any of those remote:
>> At least I can not put back (by USB-stick) what I copied, by
>>      having "written in" the data of composer, pianist, title, style
>>      etc. as I can for instance do on iTunes. I would like to show on
>>      paper what can be heard, all having a running number which
>>      corresponds with the piano content in the remote or iPhone etc.
>> 
>> I can imagine that there are sufficient owners who would pay quite
>>      a lot for changing their "computer" within the piano to be able to
>>      obtain a system like iTunes or so ... 
>> Have theses CX series or E3 PRO any advantage in this field? What
>>      are the advantages over DS6 B M4 PRO?
>> 
>> Thank you for further clarification.
>> Cordially,
>> Ernest, Switzerland
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Am 29.12.2012 02:54, schrieb Bill Brandom:
>> 
>> Â  
>>> Folks, it seems like there is some confusion about what Yamaha is doing with Disklavier. Let me see if I can clarify what is currently happening.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> - The Mark IV and Mark IV PRO are no longer in production. However, both are being supported by Yamaha. The operating systems of these pianos will continue to be updated with new capabilities.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> - E3 and E3 PRO pianos are what are currently being produced by Yamaha.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> - Very recently Yamaha introduced a new series of acoustic grand pianos called the CX series. These acoustic models begin with C1X and go through C7X. This CX series is using much of the same technology that is being used to produce Yamaha's flagship CFX Concert Grand Piano. The new CX series is a considerable improvement over earlier C series grand pianos. So, any Disklavier with an X in the model name is in one of the new CX series grand pianos. 
>>> 
>>> - In the United States, Yamaha is now selling both the E3
>>              and E3 PRO instruments. For the last few years Yamaha
>>              offered the E3 in 5'8" grand pianos and smaller. These
>>              pianos did not have the Silent system. Now, all Disklavier
>>              E3 grands other than the DGB1KE3 and the DGB1KE3 Classic
>>              have the Silent system. The DU1E3 Upright piano does NOT
>>              have the Silent system.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> - 5'8" and smaller E3 Grands without Silent systems are models: DGB1KE3, DGB1KE3 Classic, DGC1ME3, DGC2E3, DC1E3, DC2E3
>>> 
>>> 
>>> - 5'8" and smaller E3 grand pianos with Silent systems are: DGC1E3S, DGC2E3S, DC1XE3S, DC2XE3S
>>> 
>>> 
>>> - All Disklavier E3 grands 6'1" and larger are E3 PRO systems. These models (with Silent systems) are: DC3XE3PRO, DC5XE3PRO, DC6XE3PRO, DC7XE3PRO, DS4E3PRO, DS6E3PRO, and DCFXE3PRO
>>> 
>>> 
>>> - The DU1E3 is the only E3 upright piano offered at this time.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I hope this information helps a bit...
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Bill Brandom
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
> 
> 
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> Ernst,
> Sorry to interrupt, but DKVBrowser will do what you want. Â It will let you backup all of the information you add to a file, and restore it later. Â Also, you can print out a full catalog of what is on your piano with song name, pianist, style, composer, or whatever you have chosen to put in the "comments" field.
> 
> If you have any questions about how to do that with DKVBrowser, please ask on the DKVBrowser group so we don't clutter this group with DKVBrowser specific questions.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> 
> ________________________________
>  From: Ernst Erb <erb@...>
> To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com; Bill Brandom <bill.brandom03@...> 
> Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2012 3:49 AM
> Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re: Mark IV being discontinued?
> 
> 
> Â  
> Dear Bill
> Thank you for the clarifications.  This is for general interest - as
>     also my questions to it:
> 
> Having a wonderful Yamaha Disklavier DS6 B M4 PRO (since Mid 2007) I'm watching this because I suffer from a very old fashioned disk system. Every year I invite international Jazz piano players to play for good money and I use also piano-e-composition and can therefore enjoy very good "life" piano music in our home:
> www.bed-breakfast-wellness.ch
> 
> My remote seems to be dead and therefore I use iPhone and iPad
>       which is fine. The problem with any of those remote:
> At least I can not put back (by USB-stick) what I copied, by
>       having "written in" the data of composer, pianist, title, style
>       etc. as I can for instance do on iTunes. I would like to show on
>       paper what can be heard, all having a running number which
>       corresponds with the piano content in the remote or iPhone etc.
> 
> I can imagine that there are sufficient owners who would pay quite
>       a lot for changing their "computer" within the piano to be able to
>       obtain a system like iTunes or so ... 
> Have theses CX series or E3 PRO any advantage in this field? What
>       are the advantages over DS6 B M4 PRO?
> 
> Thank you for further clarification.
> Cordially,
> Ernest, Switzerland
> 
> 
> 
> Am 29.12.2012 02:54, schrieb Bill Brandom:
> 
> Â  
> >Folks, it seems like there is some confusion about what Yamaha is doing with Disklavier. Let me see if I can clarify what is currently happening.
> >
> >
> >- The Mark IV and Mark IV PRO are no longer in production. However, both are being supported by Yamaha. The operating systems of these pianos will continue to be updated with new capabilities.
> >
> >
> >- E3 and E3 PRO pianos are what are currently being produced by Yamaha.
> >
> >
> >- Very recently Yamaha introduced a new series of acoustic grand pianos called the CX series. These acoustic models begin with C1X and go through C7X. This CX series is using much of the same technology that is being used to produce Yamaha's flagship CFX Concert Grand Piano. The new CX series is a considerable improvement over earlier C series grand pianos. So, any Disklavier with an X in the model name is in one of the new CX series grand pianos. 
> >
> >- In the United States, Yamaha is now selling both the E3
>               and E3 PRO instruments. For the last few years Yamaha
>               offered the E3 in 5'8" grand pianos and smaller. These
>               pianos did not have the Silent system. Now, all Disklavier
>               E3 grands other than the DGB1KE3 and the DGB1KE3 Classic
>               have the Silent system. The DU1E3 Upright piano does NOT
>               have the Silent system.
> >
> >
> >- 5'8" and smaller E3 Grands without Silent systems are models: DGB1KE3, DGB1KE3 Classic, DGC1ME3, DGC2E3, DC1E3, DC2E3
> >
> >
> >- 5'8" and smaller E3 grand pianos with Silent systems are: DGC1E3S, DGC2E3S, DC1XE3S, DC2XE3S
> >
> >
> >- All Disklavier E3 grands 6'1" and larger are E3 PRO systems. These models (with Silent systems) are: DC3XE3PRO, DC5XE3PRO, DC6XE3PRO, DC7XE3PRO, DS4E3PRO, DS6E3PRO, and DCFXE3PRO
> >
> >
> >- The DU1E3 is the only E3 upright piano offered at this time.
> >
> >
> >I hope this information helps a bit...
> >
> >
> >Bill Brandom
> >
> >
>