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DKC-850 TG Volume Issue

2013-09-18 by <jmorris651@...>

Yesterday I picked up my new DKC-850 to replace my MarkII XG unit. The replacement went without a hitch, the internet connection works, and I was able to update to the latest firmware. I have one issue that I cannot resolve. The volume for the TG is so low I can hardly hear it. Even with the TG balance set up as high as it will go and the volume on the powered speakers as high as they will go too. This was not an issue with the previous unit at all.


Has anyone run into this and have a solution? I do have a call into the local Yamaha tech.

Thanks

Joe

Re: [disklavier] DKC-850 TG Volume Issue

2013-09-18 by Bill Gmail

Joe,

I believe that the work around would be to use the Omni Outs and set them to a fixed level (Setup -> Audio I/O -> Omni Out Vol).
 
Bill

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On Sep 18, 2013, at 8:55 AM, <jmorris651@...> wrote:

> Yesterday I picked up my new DKC-850 to replace my MarkII XG unit. The replacement went without a hitch, the internet connection works, and I was able to update to the latest firmware. I have one issue that I cannot resolve. The volume for the TG is so low I can hardly hear it. Even with the TG balance set up as high as it will go and the volume on the powered speakers as high as they will go too. This was not an issue with the previous unit at all.
> 
> 
> Has anyone run into this and have a solution? I do have a call into the local Yamaha tech.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Joe
>

RE: [disklavier] DKC-850 TG Volume Issue

2013-09-19 by Joe Morris

Thanks Bill,

 

That works better than I expected. To begin with the volume output from the OMNI is louder than the analog output even though I kept it tied to the main volume. But putting it on 127 was even much better and more acceptable. Nicely, the volume of the OMNI output is still controlled by the TG balance. So it is easily managed.

 

Thanks so much.

 

Joe
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From: disklavier@yahoogroups.com [mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bill Gmail
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2013 4:41 PM
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Subject: Re: [disklavier] DKC-850 TG Volume Issue

 

  

 

Joe,

 

I believe that the work around would be to use the Omni Outs and set them to a fixed level (Setup -> Audio I/O -> Omni Out Vol).

 

Bill

 

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On Sep 18, 2013, at 8:55 AM, <jmorris651@...> wrote:

  

Yesterday I picked up my new DKC-850 to replace my MarkII XG unit. The replacement went without a hitch, the internet connection works, and I was able to update to the latest firmware. I have one issue that I cannot resolve. The volume for the TG is so low I can hardly hear it. Even with the TG balance set up as high as it will go and the volume on the powered speakers as high as they will go too. This was not an issue with the previous unit at all.

 

Has anyone run into this and have a solution? I do have a call into the local Yamaha tech.

 

Thanks

 

Joe

RE: DKC-850 TG Volume Issue

2013-10-03 by <mqphan@...>

On my DGB1KE3 (DKC-800) the TG volume is also low. This is with a Rachmaninoff Piano Concerto No. 2 that I purchased from Yamaha Music store (download option). It might be okay at full volume, but that would make the acoustic piano sound too loud. When I turn down the volume dial (in front of the control unit), the TG volume is much reduced, but the reduced volume acoustic piano sound is still relatively loud, making the difference between the two volume levels much more pronounced to the extent that the TG volume for orchestra is barely audible in this piano concerto when the dial is at -10 (minimum). I did adjust the TG balance on the control unit, but it did not make a big difference.


I learned that there is a software called MidiMod2 that could be used to lower the piano velocity data without lowering the TG volume, but I wasn't sure how to use the software when I tried to make the change. I don't know how to reduce the piano volume only with this software. I think that Veloset can be used to lower the volume, but it lowers both the piano and the background orchestra at the same time, so that does not help either.


Minh



---In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, <john.proveaux@...> wrote:

Yes, I've noticed the same problem.

Re: [disklavier] RE: DKC-850 TG Volume Issue

2013-10-03 by Spencer Chase

midimod2 only works on MIDI files so forget about using it on anything 
else. if you are working with MIDI files, here is a brief description as 
to how to limit the changes to piano parts. also, it you may want to 
contact me for the newer version that is a little more compatible with 
win 7 and 8 and has a few other mods to make it easier to use. i can 
also provide a preset file that has presets to reduce to 90 through 40 
percent of original loudness. you can experiment with these simple 
presets before you try anything more "custom". i should probably merge 
these presets into the program and will do so on the next re-write.

MIDI files have instructions called patches or instrument definitions. 
they can change throughout the file as necessary but generally each 
instrument is assigned to one channel. patches 7 and lower are common 
keyboard definitions. 1 and 2 are almost always played as acoustic piano 
on a DKV or other acoustic piano. it is your choice as to what parts you 
want the piano to play. there is a vertical box in midimod2 in which you 
can choose what patch number and below will be moved to channels 1 and 
or 2. the default is 7 which is something like "clavinet" if you check 
either or both of the checkboxes for channel 1 and or channel 2 then 
only these channels will have their velocities modified and the rest 
will remain unchanged, allowing you to set piano and accompaniment level 
separately. if you do not check either of these checkboxes, all channels 
will be processed.

this is all explained in the help file which i wrote and which makes 
sense to me but that might be because i know how it is supposed to work

On 10/3/2013 1:21 PM, mqphan@... wrote:
>
> On my DGB1KE3 (DKC-800) the TG volume is also low.  This is with a 
> Rachmaninoff Piano Concerto No. 2 that I purchased from Yamaha Music 
> store (download option). It might be okay at full volume, but that 
> would make the acoustic piano sound too loud.  When I turn down the 
> volume dial (in front of the control unit), the TG volume is much 
> reduced, but the reduced volume acoustic piano sound is still 
> relatively loud, making the difference between the two volume levels 
> much more pronounced to the extent that the TG volume for orchestra is 
> barely audible in this piano concerto when the dial is at -10 
> (minimum).  I did adjust the TG balance on the control unit, but it 
> did not make a big difference.
>
>
> I learned that there is a software called MidiMod2 that could be used 
> to lower the piano velocity data without lowering the TG volume, but I 
> wasn't sure how to use the software when I tried to make the change. I 
> don't know how to reduce the piano volume only with this software. I 
> think that Veloset can be used to lower the volume, but it lowers both 
> the piano and the background orchestra at the same time, so that does 
> not help either.
>
>
> Minh
>
>
>
> ---In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, <john.proveaux@...> wrote:
>
> Yes, I've noticed the same problem.
> 

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