Dotcomformat

Rig,

Not sure you got this.  Its a dotcom ZO, never been out of the the
studio.  Asking 800.00, Will throw in shipping. Mint condition.

Jeff


--- In dotcomformat@yahoogroups.com, bill bigrig <billbigrig@...> wrote:
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> Howdy,
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>  .com format? How much?
> Rig
>
> --- On Mon, 4/20/09, jeffsynth jeff-b@... wrote:
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> From: jeffsynth jeff-b@...
> Subject: [dotcomformat] Re: On the signpost up ahead, you're entering
the ZO Zone
> To: dotcomformat@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, April 20, 2009, 7:23 AM
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> Rig,
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> I got one for sale...Still interested?
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> Jeffsynth
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> --- In dotcomformat@ yahoogroups. com, "Mark Rauch" <billbigrig@ ...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Howdy,
> > Anybybodt got one for sale?
> > Rig
> >
> > --- In dotcomformat@ yahoogroups. com, "savage1729" savage1729@
wrote:
> > >
> > > Yee-hah! Thanks Morb and Bernie for the info. I figured that there
> had to be some kind of manual or datasheet that came with it, but I
> didn't get that (which is OK because documentation with things like
this
> often get lost or forgotten). So following you guys' lead, I had to
> join The_Cyndustries_ List, but I got there and found both the manual
and
> the test/calibration procedure. To paraphrase Archimedes, give me a
> manual and a place to read and I will move the world. I have a dinner
> to go to this evening after work, but just as soon as I get home,
whoa,
> ho, hooooooooo, Nelly!
> > >
> > > And thank you, Phil, for your help. I understand most of the
> labeling, I've read about the Vari Sync on the Cyndustries website,
and
> I have been able to do things like low-frequency modulation, and I
> figured out the inputs and such. I've also used the various waveform
> outputs and accomplished PWM. But this thing does just sooooooooo much
> more, and it does it in a wild and unpredictable manner... at least,
so
> far. I remain hopeful that the manual and test/calibration
> documentation is going to help.
> > >
> > > We'll see. I'm not in the ZO Zone yet, but I can now see the
> signpost up ahead.
> > >
> > > Savage
> > >
> > > --- In dotcomformat@ yahoogroups. com, "Bernie" <kornowicz@>
wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Besides the manual, there's the "ZO Test & Calibration Procedure
> 2.2.pdf" in the Files section of The_Cyndustries_ List.
> > > >
> > > > Bernie
> > > >
> > > > --- In dotcomformat@ yahoogroups. com, "~Morbius~" <morbius@>
wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > There is a manual that comes with it. Because I don't have the
> time right now, I can't address (properly) the +'s and -'s of the
> manual... but it addresses most, if not all of the front panel
> controls/jacks, and functions... theories.
> > > > >
> > > > > At the end, it does say something to the effect that ' since
it
> IS so new... even I don't know all about it'.... evidently, by
Cynthia.
> I'm not saying the manual is good or bad. Just 're-glancing' thru
it...
> it may be that some people (not excluding myself) aren't 'getting'
what
> is being said.... or- it could be that it's just fine.... IF you have
> advanced degrees in warp-theory. ... I dunno, some mo. It does say
that
> experimenting is a big part of it. It also has some 'demos'.... try
> patching this to that... hold your tongue... do the 'hokie-pokie' ,
and
> turn yourself around....
> > > > >
> > > > > I'll say this... my Zo's were some of the first done... and as
I
> recall, things were crazy at Cyndustries at that time... working
40-hour
> days, etc. One of my manuals was printed upside-down, and printed from
a
> computer and unalighned.. .. probably because they were rushed and
> trying to keep-up... understandable. I also noticed some pots which
> were loose. All I'm saying is that all of what I'm saying kinda says
> that they were trying to catch-up... filling orders. maybe the
manual's
> be reprinted, or altered... I dunno.
> > > > >
> > > > > Did the manual help me...... uh?!.... somewhat. Did it help me
> to realize the Zo's full potential?.. .. I don't think so... but
that's
> probably my fault. Is the Zo capable of much more than I've used it
> for..... oh!... without a doubt. But like i said before.... in my
> opinion (worth maybe 39-cents)... this module is really for
> experimentation, and those who want to find the meaning of the
> universe.... n-sh!t like that.... and if that's your 'thing'... you
> definitely want a Zo. I 'do' use it.... I really do.... but it's
> overkill for what I'm doing... and I think someone who's heavily into
> the aleatoric stuff, would put it to much better use than I have.
> > > > >
> > > > > I know this hasn't helped much... but it's all I have time
for,
> right now.
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: peng3002
> > > > > To: dotcomformat@ yahoogroups. com
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 2:08 PM
> > > > > Subject: [dotcomformat] Re: On the signpost up ahead, you're
> entering the ZO Zone
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Take everything I write with a grain of salt because I do not
> have a ZO. If there was ever a module that should have a user's guide
to
> explain functions, jacks, and controls...THIS IS IT! I couldn't find
one
> on the site and I'm assuming you ZO owners don't have one either?!
> > > > >
> > > > > That said, I'll try to explain what I THINK some of the
> functions and controls are. You will have to report back and tell us
if
> I am right.
> > > > >
> > > > > Vari Synch - this is like the soft sync control that is on the
> q106 aid module (don't know that module number).
> > > > >
> > > > > Linear FM controls - The LIN FM jack and pot above it are just
> like the LIN FM jack and pot on a Q106.
> > > > >
> > > > > Dynamic Depth controls - The DYNAMIC 1 and 2 jacks, FM INDEX
> pot and jack, and the MOD OUT jack are all a part of the inear dynamic
> depth modulation section. Dynamic depth control is nothing more than
> placing a VCA in front of the LIN FM input on a normal oscillator.
> > > > > It's a difficult to tell what is going on with the DYNAMIC 1
> and 2 jacks but referring to the Modcan A format gives a clue. Modcan
A
> uses white jacks for CV and Grey for audio. So I am guessing DYNAMIC 1
> can be a CV or audio input to the VCA (the ZO uses a Ring Mod instead
of
> a VCA but it is nearly the same thing, more about this later). DYNAMIC
2
> input jack also goes to the VCA (RM) but is AC coupled for audio
signals
> only. It looks like the signal patched to DYNAMIC 2 is also normalled
to
> the LIN FM jack above it.
> > > > > The FM INDEX pot and jack is the control for the VCA (RM).
> Patch an EG here and adjust its level with the index pot.
> > > > > The MOD OUT jack is the output of this VCA (RM) to use
> elsewhere in your system.
> > > > >
> > > > > So why do I refer to a VCA when it is actually a Ring Mod.
> Because a VCA and a Ring Mod are almost the same thing!
> > > > > VCA - bipolar input / unipolar control
> > > > > Ring Mod - bipolar input / bipolar control
> > > > >
> > > > > Controlling a Ring Mod with an EG is the same thing as using a
> VCA BUT if you invert the EG (make it 0 to -5V) the audio will come
out
> inverted. Using a 0 to -5v EG with a VCA does not result in phase
> reversal of the input signal, the VCA will simply remain off.
> > > > > Note: some RM are AC coupled on both inputs so you cannot use
> them as a VCA. Very lame! This is not the case with the ZO ring mod
> (also, it probably uses an AD633 multiplier IC and these work great as
> RM or a VCA. Sound quality-wise probably a step up from the DotCom VCA
> design).
> > > > >
> > > > > The Morph section - Patch an EG to MORPH A IN. As the EG rises
> the waveform at the MORPH out jacks (0, 180) should change from
triangle
> to sine to square. Try short EG times here like 0 Attack, relaese,
> sustain, and adjust the decay time (short). This may result in a
> pluck-like sound. I have circuits that behave like this in some VCOs I
> build and the sound can be reminiscent of a LoPass Gate (ie: a
> Vactrol-like softness).
> > > > >
> > > > > That's all for now. Tell me how it goes because I'm interested
> if I got these sections right.
> > > > >
> > > > > Oh yeah, if anyone has a ZO they can loan me I'd be glad to do
> an exhaustive experimentation session and write up a descent user's
> guide.
> > > > >
> > > > > p.
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In dotcomformat@ yahoogroups. com, "savage1729"
> <savage1729@ > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Those of you here who are also members of the
> synthesizersdotcomg roup may remember that I got hold of Guido's
> dotcomformat Zeroscillator. I have lurked on this group because I have
> not had any dotcomformat modules that weren't Dot Com, until now. I
also
> wanted to work with it a while before I posted any opinions or cried
for
> help. And so...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It is definitely a box o' noodles. It's pretty easy to
> create some really wild sounds with the ZO, but everything I've
managed
> to do with it has been 'accidental' . I find it difficult to be able
to
> predict what I'm going to get. I figure this is largely in part to the
> fact that it is a very complex module.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The function of the module feels very Buchla-like, or at
> least what I envision a Buchla to function like since I've never
> actually used a Buchla. One reason that causes me to feel it's
> Buchla-like is it took me more than a day of working with it before I
> could get any kind of sound that would track accurately with the
> keyboard. Once I would arrive at a tonality, I would have to adjust
> multiple parameters to get the keyboard to track correctly. The beast
> does not like to be tamed. Because of this, I have used the sequencer
> with the ZO as a tone source more than the keyboard.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have yet to figure out how to make the module react to an
> envelope. I have yet to figure out what functions on the module can be
> voltage-controlled beyond the inputs at bottom-left and -right. Most
of
> the tonal changes I've managed were accomplished by knob-twiddling.
The
> signal flow seems to be from bottom to top. Is that universally true,
or
> are there exceptions?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have searched the Internet far and wide to see how others
> have used this module. I found some block diagrams on the Cyndustries
> web site, but only one or two of those were for single ZO's, and I
only
> have one ZO. (The 'basic patch' was the only one I really found
useful.)
> I found one mention of someone elsewhere on the 'Net using a ZO in a
> patch, but it was a 'Buchla-like' aleatoric patch, and I got the
> impression that he 'tripped over' the sound he was getting. There
seems
> to be a lot of people out there with ZO's, but I can't find where
anyone
> actually discusses using it, not like I find with Dot Com modules (or
> any others, for that matter). There used to be a discussion group for
> people who have ZO's, but when I tried going there, I couldn't find
it.
> I either had the wrong URL or it has been dissolved.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I do understand the concept of Chowning FM synthesis, even
> getting down to the math aspect. I've used a software synth that uses
> nothing but combinations of multiple sine waves to create tones. So
it's
> not FM synthesis that is causing me problems. It's just knowing what
> each knob and jack actually does and how they interact with each
other.
> I also understand the concept of 'negative frequencies' and how they
> move in a complex waveform. The theory doesn't bother me; it's where
on
> the panel do those concepts come into play?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > For example, there are technically seven different functions
> on a ZO according to the Cyndustries web page; yet, I don't know where
> on the panel one gets each of those functions. Can you combine these
> functions with a patch that is totally internal on the ZO, and if so,
> how? And how can you apply external voltages to change various
> parameters on the ZO? I have not been able to find a single input that
> will cause it to respond to an envelope generator.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If anyone here has any basic patch ideas that would get me
> started, I would greatly appreciate any assistance. I don't need any
> specific patches for this tone or that, just something that leads me
in
> the right direction so I get a better understanding of how the module
> works. Even without patches, if anyone can give me some information on
> what each knob and jack does on it, I would appreciate it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Overall, I do like the ZO; I'd just like it a lot better if
> I actually knew things like what the jack under the Vari Sync knob
did.
> It is, as I said, a box o' noodles in that you can get really cool and
> bizarre sounds out of it. I have figured out how to get ring
> modulation-type 'klang tones' out of it. But right now, I'm
questioning
> whether it's appropriate for a 44-space system and may be more
> appropriate when I expand to 66. I had to remove a 4-channel mixer (as
I
> still have the 8-channel), a ring modulator (since the ZO is capable
of
> ring modulation), and a clipper/rectifier. The latter is the one I
miss
> the most, but something had to go, so...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Is the ZO just a box o' noodles for random tonalities, or
> can it be predictably controlled? If I can't figure out how to do more
> than just achieve random tones on the ZO, I may end up taking it out,
> putting the three modules mentioned back, and waiting until I get a
> third portable cabinet before it goes back into service. I don't mind
> random tones, but I prefer knowing what I'm doing with a module such
> that if I get an idea for a tone, I know pretty much what to do to get
> it. So far, I can't do that with the ZO. It just screams wildly as I
> twiddle the knobs.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Am I the first emperor to ackowledge that I have no clothes?
> ;-)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Savage
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