Elektron Musical Instruments

Hey Toni,
 
Sometimes I will program an instrument that ends up being pretty quiet, due to the filter. That's when I notice the noise the most. To tell you the truth it harder to recognize the noise on the bass drum. The reason being is that the bass drum is probably the loudest sound coming out of the machine drum. 
 
     Mainvolume-pot is wired
into DA, so that if the mainvolume is at max, internal mixsignal is
pretty close to 0 dB (when it comes put of the box). 
 
This is definatley not the case with my MD. At max volume There are still some instruments in my kit that are quiet.
 
So I think maybe the DA converter is being underloaded, probably because of the filter. Is this what you were talking about when it comes to underloading the filter. If not, what else could be the source of the problem.
 
Sorry for the attitude, I'm just a bit frustrated with my recording situation. I usually try to be the guy that doesn't come off like a dick. I appreciate the time that you have taken to respond to my post.
 
Sergio

tahvenaine2002 <toni.ahvenainen@...> wrote:
Answers below...

> "I have my hammerfall at +4 dBu. MD puts out very good signal;
> if I turn MD to full volume, I will hit exactly to 0 dB."
>  
> Oh really? Are you talking about mixed master out or are you talking
>about individual line out? If you are talking about individual line
>out, then what kit are you talking about? Which instrument? Are you
>saying that all the pieces (individual machines) in your kit come out
>of the output at the same level? WOW!

Not sure I like the tone of your message, but here goes:

If I have trx-BD assigned on individual output and track level of it
set to max, it will hit straight 0dB. If I change this to efm-BD,
track level set to max, it will hit straight to 0dB (and so on). If I
assing more tracks to same output, it surely can be overloaded.

The thing is that, digital audio inside the box can have any levels.
It is converted to voltages at DA-converter. Mainvolume-pot is wired
into DA, so that if the mainvolume is at max, internal mixsignal is
pretty close to 0 dB (when it comes put of the box). There can be
other situations, where da's can be overloaded or underloaded,
depending on how you configure your track levels.

The _point is_ that MD feeds strong enough signal, no doubt about it.
So when you were saying, you can't get hot signal enough, I was just
pointing out that you have something wrong with your other setup.
Propably the preamp thing, which I mentioned earlier post.

Toni. 


  
> "in 24 bit domain, its not so freaking important to have as hot
> signal as possible."
>  
> It is if you would like to take advantage of 24 bit recording. The
greater the dynamic range the more it is advantagous to record 24 bit.
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> tahvenaine2002 <toni.ahvenainen@p...> wrote:There is something wrong
here. I don't use micpres, but I do have rme
> hammerfall and record MD staright to it. Here are some observations:
> 
> 1. My MD makes very little noise. Yeah, about 89 -dB. So it's
> practically nothing. You can check this with digicheck, that came with
> your fireface. So no noise from MD. 
> 
> 2. MD is +4 dBu gear. You need to calibrate the firecafe to same
> levels. I have my hammerfall at +4 dBu. MD puts out very good signal;
> if I turn MD to full volume, I will hit exactly to 0 dB. So it can't
> be that MD does not provide output hot enough.
> 
> 3. Your problem might due the fact that mic-level is totally different
> than +4dBu or -10 dBu. So you maybe feeding the micpre too much
> signal, which will cause the noise. As with Andromeda, it might be -10
> dBu gear, in which situation you are still playing with two different
> signal levels, but not so much anymore. I would use the line
> level-compressor for both machines. (as for +4 and -10 dBu thing; the
> +4 is usually with progear and -10 is for consumer levels. +4 dBu
> loses less signal on its way. Also in the states they usually do +4
> gear, or something odd between.)
> 
> (4. in 24 bit domain, its not so freaking important to have as hot
> signal as possible. Anyway it's recomemded to keep things below -6
> anyway. In 16 bit world this was different. _but_ it's lot more
> practical to start mixing things if you have tracks recorded nicely
> and logically.)
> 
> 
> I hope these help you a bit. :)
> 
> Toni. 
> 
> 
> --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "lucinniega" <lucinniega@y...>
> wrote:
> >
> > I just want to ask anybody who has recorded with a machine drum a 
> > question. If you have never recordeed the machine drum then please do 
> > not answer. In my studio I use a Demeter stereo tube direct into the 
> > inputs of the RME fireface 800. I meter in Samplitude to make sure 
> > that I go in as hot as possible to take full advantage of 24 bit 
> > recording as much as possible. I've noticed something. No matter how 
> > hot the sound coming out of the machine drum is, I always have noise. 
> > If the sound that I happen to be recording is low coming out of the 
> > machine drum the noise floor is even more apparent. I was wondering 
> > if this was a factory defect or if this is just the way that the 
> > machine is built. I've heard so many complaints on the net, but I 
> > can't really trust anybody who has an opinion like " It doesn't sound 
> > noisy to me.". I need to get an opinion from somebody who has done 
> > some extensive recording with the machine drum through a direct box, 
> > into a mic pre and into a DAW. I would only like to hear from you 
> > people, so I will be able to formulate a better insight. Do any of 
> > you people, with a similar setup to mine, experience the noise that 
> > I've been writing about. I just seems to me that the noise is almost 
> > unacceptable. I'm trying to determine if this problem is local to my 
> > machine drum or if it is just a characteristic of all machine drums. 
> > I am going to take my unit to a repair guy who is supposed to be 
> > pretty good at stuff like this. I will definatley keep you posted. By 
> > the way, Elektron was no help at all. They had the pass the buck 
> > mentality. That really pissed me off. I just want to get my machine 
> > fixed. I don't want to hear about who's responsability it is to get 
> > my machine fixed. I want to able to record without this hiss coming 
> > out of the outputs.
> >
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