Elektron Musical Instruments

ya know something....do this:
 
take some of your favorite records, sample them, and check the timing
accuracy of the THEIR drums. you may seriously be surprised...
 
the minute timinig issues that (any) drum machine has is a 'smoke and
mirrors' problem.  if you let a few milliseconds of slop here and there get
in the way of your writting a tune...your just making excuses.
 
and thats the plain truth.
 
Tony
 
p.s. oh, and really listen to some older classic stuff...from before drum
machines, when they called that 'slop' feel.  
 


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From: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com [mailto:elektron-users@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Tarekith
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 9:32 AM
To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [elektron] THE MD SPS-1 timing debate issue



I really don't what slop everyone keeps hearing, and acting like it's
the end of the world. The MD has a little timing discrepancies, but
all my midi boxes do and it's not stopped me from making loads of
music with them. If anything, i think the MD has the tightest timing
of all my gear. I certainly can't hear the timing issues, and unless
I open up something I've recorded in my DAW and zoom WAY in, I'd never
see it either.

????

Oh well, good luck lobbying Elektron to 'fix' their timing.

On 4/14/07, sad1robot2003 <sad1robot@aol. <mailto:sad1robot%40aol.com> com>
wrote:
> Last week i purchased a SPS1-uw and fell in love with it out of the
box.Playing/
> programming it for hours on end ~by itself it has tons of character. the
timing
> randomness i could FEEL right off the bat. The night before buying it i
spotted the thread
> about the Timing fluctuations in the sound triggering dept. of the MDs
internal
> sequencer.hmmm i thought, cant be that bad~ oh how wrong ~how high my
hopes were ~
> I syncd it to my roland orchestra of midi clock/ Din syncd drummachines
and i was sadly
> aware of the Timing issue.Here is where i notice it most: i have an 808 &
909 pattern
> running in tandem , all sounds( kicks , snares , claps, hats toms etc etc
are going thru the
> separate out puts on the 808 & 909. arriving into individual input
channels on a healthy
> soundcraft ghost 24 LE, i like have all the individual channels up &
running with the sep
> sounds all Looping and the PLAYING the mute switches making parts with
combinations of
> all machines on the fly. Of course im decribing something tons of
electronic musicians
> have been doing forever, no secret stuff~ but heres when the SPS 1 timing
slop is really
> apparent. When you start isolating sounds I.E. an sps-1uw snare track
played in tandem
> with the 808's kick and the 909s ride, that snare hits OFF about 75 % of
the time.
> occasionally youll get a dead on hit and it sounds magical like the
rolands do 100% of the
> time.ive been a drummer for over 20 years. my drum teacher used to have me
practice to
> a metronome and my mission was to play rudiments and nail the metronome
track spot
> on. when this happens , stick and click hitting at the same time theres a
crack of accuracy
> that is magic. flams are flams, and thats the best way to describe what
the SPS 1 is doing
> most of the time! Flaming! and have been collecting drum machines for the
past 10. my
> collection is vast( tr 505,606, 808, 909, dr-110, cr-8000, cr-78, sp-12
turbo, sp-1200,
> mpc60,II, Mpc 3000 korg micro pops, kpr-77 simmons sds- 9, sds 1000, so of
course
> goes w/out saying ive been looking forward to owning the machinedrum for
some time
> now. On its own its fantastic ~ fluctuating and all, but when played
alongside the other
> classic drummachines, i just want to mute it. sad cause i love the sounds
out of it. Ive
> been following the thread close and just dont get how some people overlook
the fact that
> this is a problem that needs to be solved. to pay good money for a unique
modern
> machine is worth it for the sheer power of customization and control~ YET
its insane that
> one of the most important features of a drum machine is its ability to
play its own internal
> sounds Precisely with accurate precision, and all the power to people that
are measuring it
> against MPC 60s or 3000's than by all means make those standards by which
the SPS 1
> should perform up to. recording the SPS 1 into protools i can see and
measure the
> fluctuations and its a shame. My sidstations env's are sloppy . That was a
BUG in the SID
> chip itself. Elektron made up for it by adding a great feature in the USER
setting to have
> the choice to bypass the Buggy env's and switch it into GATE mode making
arpeggios
> Super tight when played with an external seq. I hope the Elektron Guys
have perked up
> their ears ~ the thread is still going on over at the Elektron group page
Special thanks to
> SN interclock for steering it back to the real issue at hand~ Accurate
timing. Perhaps im a
> rare bird syncing up a bunch of old drum machines and using cv/gates to
trigger toms
> made on an arp 2600, or snares on a mini moog~ but i like the sounds on
the SPS 1 too!
> but they are getting muted on the desk when played next to the other
machines. i hope
> elektron solves the problem in the near future. i think if enough users
get the point of
> what the timing complaints are really about~ theyll speak up. By all means
make that
> flammy timing an OPTION on the Global page , But give me Solid timing
FIRST!
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Tarekith
http://www.tarekith <http://www.tarekith.com> .com


 



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