Elektron Musical Instruments

you dont get my point ?

ok fair enough.
I think you've missed a big chunk of why this timing issue is getting
up some people's nose.

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, Tarekith <Tarekith@...> wrote:
>
> I'm not sure I undestand your point, the only 'groovebox' I use is the
> MD.  The ER-1 is the only other unit I own with a sequencer, and it's
> not even midi up to my computer or the MD.  Haven't touched it since I
> got the MD.
> 
> ????
> 
> On 4/14/07, j3l1yt0t5 <j3l1yt0t5@...> wrote:
> > I seen a picture of your setup over at ableton.com,
> > with all due respect - the reason you're not seeing the slop other
> > people can is down to the amount of groovebox/step sequencers you're
> > trying to sync.
> >
> > http://tarekith.com/images/TarekithStudio01.jpg
> >
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> >
> > --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, Tarekith <Tarekith@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I really don't what slop everyone keeps hearing, and acting like
it's
> > > the end of the world.  The MD has a little timing discrepancies, but
> > > all my midi boxes do and it's not stopped me from making loads of
> > > music with them.  If anything, i think the MD has the tightest
timing
> > > of all my gear.  I certainly can't hear the timing issues, and
unless
> > > I open up something I've recorded in my DAW and zoom WAY in, I'd
never
> > > see it either.
> > >
> > > ????
> > >
> > > Oh well, good luck lobbying Elektron to 'fix' their timing.
> > >
> > > On 4/14/07, sad1robot2003 <sad1robot@> wrote:
> > > > Last week i purchased a SPS1-uw and fell in love with it out of
> > the box.Playing/
> > > > programming it for hours on end ~by itself it has tons of
> > character.  the timing
> > > > randomness i could FEEL right off the bat. The night before buying
> > it i spotted  the thread
> > > > about the Timing fluctuations in the sound triggering dept. of the
> > MDs internal
> > > > sequencer.hmmm i thought, cant be that bad~ oh how wrong ~how high
> > my hopes were ~
> > > > I syncd it to my roland orchestra of midi clock/ Din syncd
> > drummachines and i was sadly
> > > > aware of the Timing issue.Here is where i notice it most: i have
> > an 808 & 909 pattern
> > > > running in tandem , all sounds( kicks , snares , claps, hats toms
> > etc etc are going thru the
> > > > separate out puts on the 808 & 909. arriving into individual input
> > channels on a healthy
> > > > soundcraft ghost 24 LE, i like have all the individual channels up
> > & running with the sep
> > > > sounds all Looping and the PLAYING the mute switches making parts
> > with combinations of
> > > > all machines on the fly. Of course im decribing something tons of
> > electronic musicians
> > > > have been doing forever, no secret stuff~ but heres when the SPS 1
> > timing slop is really
> > > > apparent.  When you start isolating sounds  I.E.  an sps-1uw snare
> > track played in tandem
> > > > with the 808's kick and  the 909s  ride, that snare hits OFF about
> > 75 % of the time.
> > > > occasionally youll get a dead on hit and it sounds magical like
> > the rolands do 100% of the
> > > > time.ive been a drummer for over 20 years. my drum teacher used to
> > have me practice to
> > > > a metronome and my mission was to play rudiments and nail the
> > metronome track spot
> > > > on. when this happens , stick and click hitting at the same time
> > theres a crack of accuracy
> > > > that is magic. flams are flams, and thats the best way to describe
> > what the SPS 1 is doing
> > > > most of the time! Flaming! and have been collecting drum machines
> > for the past 10. my
> > > > collection is vast( tr 505,606, 808, 909, dr-110, cr-8000, cr-78,
> > sp-12 turbo, sp-1200,
> > > > mpc60,II, Mpc 3000 korg micro pops, kpr-77 simmons sds- 9, sds
> > 1000, so of course
> > > > goes w/out saying ive been looking forward to owning the
> > machinedrum for some time
> > > > now. On its own its fantastic ~ fluctuating and all, but when
> > played alongside the other
> > > > classic drummachines, i just want to mute it.  sad cause i love
> > the sounds out of it. Ive
> > > > been following the thread close and just dont get how some people
> > overlook the fact that
> > > > this is a problem that needs to be solved. to pay good money for a
> > unique modern
> > > > machine is worth it for the sheer power of customization and
> > control~ YET  its insane that
> > > > one of the most important features of a drum machine is its
> > ability to play its own internal
> > > > sounds Precisely with accurate precision, and all the power to
> > people that are measuring it
> > > > against MPC 60s or 3000's than by all means  make those standards
> > by which  the SPS 1
> > > > should perform up to.  recording the SPS 1 into protools i can see
> > and measure the
> > > > fluctuations  and its a shame. My sidstations env's are sloppy .
> > That was a BUG in the SID
> > > > chip itself. Elektron  made up for it  by adding a great feature
> > in the USER setting to have
> > > > the choice to bypass the Buggy env's  and switch it into GATE mode
> > making arpeggios
> > > > Super tight when played with an external seq. I hope the Elektron
> > Guys have perked up
> > > > their ears ~ the thread is still going on over at the Elektron
> > group page Special thanks to
> > > > SN interclock for steering it back to the  real issue at hand~
> > Accurate timing. Perhaps im a
> > > > rare bird syncing up a bunch of old drum machines and using
> > cv/gates to trigger toms
> > > > made on an arp 2600, or snares on a mini moog~ but i like the
> > sounds on the SPS 1 too!
> > > > but they are getting muted on the desk  when played next to the
> > other machines. i hope
> > > > elektron solves the problem in the near future. i think if enough
> > users get the point of
> > > > what the timing complaints are really about~ theyll speak up. By
> > all means make that
> > > > flammy timing an OPTION on the Global page , But give me Solid
> > timing FIRST!
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