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Re: MnM joystick locks / encoder questions [daniel]

2003-12-10 by daniel_elektron

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "oldmanfury" <erinys@s...> 
wrote:

> One thing I would love to see, which would be easy to implement,
> is a "record joystick to locks" mode.  You could put this on a
> fifth page under Kit-->Assign.

Wouldn't global be a better place to control such a thing? And try 
to turn off Mirror on all joy pages. Then you can see there is no 
room for more pages in the Assign window.

> Historically, pitch-mod has 
> always been a signed 14-bit entity while CC's are 8 bit.  They
> have always been treated as separate beasts, so no need to treat
> them the same as far as locks go. 

But this is all technical mumbo jumbo. :) From the users point of 
view is that some joy movement would be recorded, and some wouldn't. 
The Joy L/R can be assigned also to other things than pitch, and 
pitch can also give a non-pitched feeling if sync to previous track 
is used.

> If it is too difficult, you wouldn't need to include multi-
> octave pitch shifting in this mode.  Plus, dropping the bottom 6
> bits off the bottom of the pitch mod is easy to code.

The problem is not about dropping bits, but to allow a way to edit a 
pitch, that can be located at any cent on the full 14 octaves.

> Being able to record parameter locks (minus pitch shift) with the 
> joystick would be _extremely_ useful.

[...]

> it was a huge (misguided) selling point.

Come on... We almost didn't say anything about the Monomachine 
before we released the beta units, so I can't understand how you 
could read in that the joystick should be recordable in the 
sequencer. From our point of view it was always intended as a 
realtime tool. Like the crossfader on a dj-mixer.

> Another encoder-related recommendation. For 1-bit on/off
> parameters - why not check the sign of the encoder value change
> instead of using (it seems) an 8 bit value split in the middle?

The discrete values are treated differently than continuous ones. 
For discrete you need to turn with a speed over a certain value. 
This is so you don't turn it by mistake by just touching it, but to 
rather get the feeling of a switch-knob with clear detents.

> My encoders "jump" periodically - that is, they do not always 
> increase monotonically while I rotate it in one direction.

If one encoder "jumps" when you turn it after entering a window, or 
after changing a track, then it is a bug, and we gladly accept a 
report of it.

To end (?) the joystick lock discussion: We are aware that some 
people feel very strongly about this feature. We have noticed that, 
but there won't be any feature additions for OS1.0. If we find there 
is a good enough way of doing it we might add it in the future, but 
it won't happen right away.

Daniel

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