Elektron Musical Instruments

No issue, really.  Good suggestion on sending to
Yamaha; they make good gear.  But I do think Elektron
could do this a whole lot better :-)

A little clarification, though...

I agree 100% on retaining step sequencing with the
intuitive access and flexibility Elektron has
developed to date.  Fits luvly the electronics-based
music I want to produce and originally why I bought my
MD.
 
Sorry, I wasn\ufffdt clear in my original post on my
distinction between the way the qy700 uses it\ufffds parts
and advocating that the QY700 functionality within
those parts should be supersetted.  

My point in reference to the QY700 was the general
interface & editing metaphor - i.e. a new generation
sequencer should be able to display its functionality
on a large, multi-line screen - multiple patterns or
lines of events, parameter settings, song
associations, etc. like the QY700 *uses* its large
screen - rather than one to a couple of lines at best
forcing us into lots of overlay menus.  Screens are
commodities now & cheap enough that this shouldn't be
the design / cost trade-off it once was.  

Likewise on editing, that the control software, with
more screen real estate available like the QY700 has,
should be more expansive in features centered around
developing, recording and assembling patterns and
sequencing them to songs.  Don't want a scaled down
Cubase.  Wouldn't suggest it do everything.  But
enough functionality related to Sequencing is needed,
which of course will overlap some of what computer
sequencer software does.  I do agree that full blown
notational / score functionality is not needed, but a
functional module to edit MIDI recorded scores should
be in a hardware sequencer designed for MIDI
sequencing a wide range of gear as not everything fits
a rhythm / drum / percussion scheme.  This would
address some of the recent MnM comments around
polyphony and the complexity of sequencing recorded
MnM keyboard performances.  

Comment on the hard disk was not intended to make it
more computer-like, but cost / performance based for
storage.  You can pickup a 1 GB compact flash card at
any computer store, but it\ufffds still less storage & more
expensive than a 20GB hard drive; slower too. \ufffdcourse
the HD doesn't fit in your pocket or plug into your
pda so you can play around with your opus on the
commute to work :-). And if this future beasty is only
sequencing the CF solution\ufffds fine, but if someone adds
in any kind of sample sequencing then you\ufffdll want that
space.  Either way works for me as long as the
sequencer itself is the showpiece.

eric

--- Eddie Higginson <ehigginson@...> wrote:
> Yeah, I don't want to see a more modern qy700 made
> by elektron. The less it 
> is like a computer the better. There is nothing
> wrong with a qy700 per se-in 
> fact I have one myself-but once you get into the
> grid edit, add hard drives 
> and all that nonsense it becomes like a cut-down
> version of cubase which 
> does not really fit with the Elektron style or
> ethic, and becomes too 
> complicated and time-consuming for somebody who
> wants the immediacy of a 
> pattern sequencer to replace the fiddly operation of
> grid-edit sequencers 
> such as th qy700. The sequencer described by Angus
> sounds like a good update 
> to the qy concept and has many useful features but
> is too far from the 
> original design of the pattern sequencer in the MnM
> or MD for an Ekektron 
> product. Maybe you should send your suggestions to
> Yamaha?
> 
>   -Big Ed
> 
> >From: "puretokyo2002" <puretokyo@...>
> >Reply-To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
> >To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: Re: [elektron] Elektron stand-alone
> hardware sequencer
> >Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 05:06:23 -0000
> >
> >
> >These are great ideas and sound like a beautiful
> machine. However, once 
> >not=
> >ation
> >editor, hard drive etc is added I think it has
> started to look like a 
> >compu=
> >ter. The joy of
> >the Mono/MD sequencer is its immediacy... There is
> obviously a HUGE market 
> >=
> >gap
> >right now for a pure hardware sequencer that takes
> the place of units like 
> >=
> >the QY700,
> >RM1X, etc.
> >
> >As for features, one that I would really like is
> the ability to offset 
> >indi=
> >vidual notes
> >separately. This would be a great boon.
> >
> >However, I genuinely believe Elektron could
> implement the hardware 
> >sequence=
> >r in a
> >very similar fashion the Monomachine and using
> essentially the same 
> >technol=
> >ogy .
> >
> >Daniel and others, I certainly hope you guys
> seriously think about this - 
> >I=
> >'d buy it in a
> >eye-blink.
> >
> >Angus.
> >
> > >
> > >  This thread has captured most of the key
> control &
> > > management specs I'd to see too.  I second those
> who
> > > added
> > >
> > > \ufffd	32 Tracks Minimum
> > > \ufffd	8 MIDI outs
> > >
> > > To which I'd add
> > >
> > > \ufffd	Stereo In / Out
> > > \ufffd	1/480 Quarter Note Granularity
> > > \ufffd	MD-solid MIDI sync & video time-code sync
> > >
> > > I'd like to throw out the following for
> Interface &
> > > Interface-driven functionality:
> > >
> > > \ufffd	Multi-line interface capable of display at
> least 8
> > > (preferably 16 tracks at once).
> > > \ufffd	Color TFT Display, minimum 320 x 240 (640 x
> 480
> > > better)
> > > \ufffd	Navigation keys + multi-function dial for easy
> value
> > > changes
> > > \ufffd	Assignable knobs for real-time control
> > > \ufffd	Joystick (great MnM idea \ufffd but instead of
> attached,
> > > why not external for portability)
> > > \ufffd	Full midi creation and editing on a track /
> pattern
> > > basis \ufffd recording (step / performance),
> multi-track,
> > > pattern, score & event editing, mute, copy,
> paste.
> > > \ufffd	Ability to sequence pattern sets into songs
> (no hard
> > > limit other than available memory / storage).
> > >
> > > And Connectivity:
> > >
> > > \ufffd	Compact Flash or Secure Digital Slot
> (preference for
> > > CF)
> > > \ufffd	Computer Connectivity \ufffd USB, 10-BaseT or
> integrated
> > > WIFI.  USB is minimum.  Integrated WIFI I think
> is
> > > extreme, but it should allow WIFI via CF
> adapter.
> > > \ufffd	Minimum 64 MB memory, expandable to 512 MB via
> 2
> > > slots x 256 simms.
> > > \ufffd	Minimum 20 GB harddisk \ufffd standard 3.5 inch
> drive,
> > > upgrade at will, no proprietary BS.
> > >
> > > In short \ufffd continue where Yamaha left off with
> the
> > > QY700 from a sequencer  edit/control
> perspective,
> > > up-dating the visual and connectivity interface
> to
> > > modern technology.  The networking & color may
> seem
> > > extreme, but I don't think so - there's a whole
> > > commodity world there employing this tech - no
> reason
> > > musician's should benefit from the same.
> > >
> > > That's what I would like from a sequencer.  If
> someone
> > > wants to add sound capabilities to make it a
> little
> > > more marketable, I have no issue with that \ufffd I'd
> use
> > > it big time.  Give me the sequencer first, then
> > > phatten it up a bit with sample storage and
> editing
> > > integration.  Don't try to deliver samples with
> it \ufffd
> > > there are plenty out there, just give me the
> ability
> > > to work with standard formats.  Leave off the
> tone
> > > generator; it just drives up the price & this
> can
> > > definitely be done better elsewhere (like sample
> > > production).  Add a basic effects section for
> final
> > > mixing and balancing if there's a real demand
> (again,
> > > I'd this on the computer or with an array of
> effects
> > > processors, personally I don't need it in my
> Sequencer
> > > per se).
> > >
> > > Lots of words, though meant with luv, Eric
> > >
> > > --- tahvenaine2002 <tahvenaine@c...> wrote:
> > > > I would buy without any questions!! ;)
> > > > --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "Eddie
> > > > Higginson"
> > > > <ehigginson@h...> wrote:
> > > > > I wholeheartedly agree. Please Elektron,
> save us
> > > > all from messing
> > > > about with
> > > > > QY700s, Rm1Xs and all those other sequencer
> and
> > > > sound module combos
> > > > and give
> > > > > us all what we really want: an
> Elektron-designed
> > > > sequencer. I would
> > > > like
> > > > > 32-track though, and how about a green
> screen this
> > > > time for pure
> > > > aesthetic
> > > > > appeal alongside the MD an MnM?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >From: "puretokyo2002" <puretokyo@h...>
> > > > > >Reply-To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > >To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > >Subject: Re: [elektron] Elektron
> stand-alone
> > > > hardware sequencer
> > > > > >Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 05:59:22 -0000
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > in fact, one of my "I hope they make it"
> synth
> > > > items is an
> > > > Elektron
> > > > > > > dedicated sequencer with the MnM/MD
> interface
> > > > and full
> > > > polyphonic
> > > > > > > capabilities (well, and the ability to
> record
> > > > any incoming MIDI
> > > > > > > information).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Joe.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Amen. My god, what we could achieve with a
> stand
> > > > alone, 16-track,
> > > > > >polyphonic, 64-
> > > > > >step, step-sequence would be incredible.
> > > > Elektron, PLEASE. PLEASE
> > > > PLEASE
> > > > > >PLEASE.
> > > > > >There is an huge gap in the market for this
> kind
> > > > of tool.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Ideally, in addition to the specs above, it
> would
> > > > have:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >64 steps (4x16, like the mono)
> > > > > >4 midi outs (to control samplers/synth
> modules
> > > > etc)
> > > > > >2 midi ins (to allow a keyboard and a
> knob-board
> > > > or return from a
> > > > synth)
> > > > > >8 knobs for CC parameter control (say, 2
> pages of
> > > > parameters for
> > > > each
> > > > > >track)
> > > > > >2 lfos for each track, sending midi
> parameter
> > > > data to the external
> > > > synths
> > > > > >polyphonic recording/sequencing on each
> track
> > > > > >MnM-style Arpeggiator, Slide etc
> > > > > >
> > > > > >This would be an absolutely incredible
> machine
> > > > for writing music
> > > > and for
> > > > > >performing
> > > > > >live. The vast majority of the hardware and
> > > > software design is
> > > > already
> > > > > >complete, and
> > > > > >thus it couldn't be that difficult to
> produce.
> > > > > >The reason I personally would like it is
> that I
> > > > find the MnM/MD
> > > > perfect for
> > > > > >writing,
> > > > > >arranging and assembling, but can't control
> > > > enough external
> > > > > >synths/samplers, and
> > > > > >not without routing midi via the computer.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Who else would like to see something like
> this?
> > > > What features
> > > > should it
> > > > > >include? If we
> > > > > >shout loud enough...
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Angus.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
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