Yeah you do have a good point about if it can record MIDI then it has to
have some way of being able to edit suff which does not fit into the
pattern. Alot of stuff I do is 90% pattern-based but with synth solo lines
which have timing that cannot be quantisted into 16 steps, and this is
generally what I use the QY700 for. Someone (I think Angus but I don't want
to misquote you again!) said about offsetting individual notes which would
be a good way to get around this-think how the 'offs' parameter works in the
arpeggiator on the MnM- without straying into grid editing.
What would also be useful would be a way of chaining patterns into one
lump for the purpose of solos etc, for example a 'Pattern' mode for normal
pattern sequencing and a 'Lead' mode where you can chain few patterns which
always go together. These two types of pattern could then be used alongside
each other, with the 'Lead' patterns overlaid onto the 'Pattern' base song.
I've just read this through and it sounds confusing but hopefully you'll
understand what I mean!
I think that Eric's 'Super Sequencer' sounds great but I just don't think
it is right for Elektron and is probably getting too far from their designs
for the MD and MnM for them to be able to produce something so complicated
in within the forseeable future! I would like something of the same size as
the MD or baby Mono with nothing other than killer pattern sequencing, the
MnM arpeggiator, LFOs and the classic fast, easy elektron interface. USB
backup facilities would be nice though...
-Big Ed
>From: Eric Jacobsen <eajacobsen@...>
>Reply-To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
>To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [elektron] Elektron stand-alone hardware sequencer
>Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 13:14:14 -0800 (PST)
>
>No issue, really. Good suggestion on sending to
>Yamaha; they make good gear. But I do think Elektron
>could do this a whole lot better :-)
>
>A little clarification, though...
>
>I agree 100% on retaining step sequencing with the
>intuitive access and flexibility Elektron has
>developed to date. Fits luvly the electronics-based
>music I want to produce and originally why I bought my
>MD.
>
>Sorry, I wasn\ufffdt clear in my original post on my
>distinction between the way the qy700 uses it\ufffds parts
>and advocating that the QY700 functionality within
>those parts should be supersetted.
>
>My point in reference to the QY700 was the general
>interface & editing metaphor - i.e. a new generation
>sequencer should be able to display its functionality
>on a large, multi-line screen - multiple patterns or
>lines of events, parameter settings, song
>associations, etc. like the QY700 *uses* its large
>screen - rather than one to a couple of lines at best
>forcing us into lots of overlay menus. Screens are
>commodities now & cheap enough that this shouldn't be
>the design / cost trade-off it once was.
>
>Likewise on editing, that the control software, with
>more screen real estate available like the QY700 has,
>should be more expansive in features centered around
>developing, recording and assembling patterns and
>sequencing them to songs. Don't want a scaled down
>Cubase. Wouldn't suggest it do everything. But
>enough functionality related to Sequencing is needed,
>which of course will overlap some of what computer
>sequencer software does. I do agree that full blown
>notational / score functionality is not needed, but a
>functional module to edit MIDI recorded scores should
>be in a hardware sequencer designed for MIDI
>sequencing a wide range of gear as not everything fits
>a rhythm / drum / percussion scheme. This would
>address some of the recent MnM comments around
>polyphony and the complexity of sequencing recorded
>MnM keyboard performances.
>
>Comment on the hard disk was not intended to make it
>more computer-like, but cost / performance based for
>storage. You can pickup a 1 GB compact flash card at
>any computer store, but it\ufffds still less storage & more
>expensive than a 20GB hard drive; slower too. \ufffdcourse
>the HD doesn't fit in your pocket or plug into your
>pda so you can play around with your opus on the
>commute to work :-). And if this future beasty is only
>sequencing the CF solution\ufffds fine, but if someone adds
>in any kind of sample sequencing then you\ufffdll want that
>space. Either way works for me as long as the
>sequencer itself is the showpiece.
>
>eric
>
>--- Eddie Higginson <ehigginson@...> wrote:
> > Yeah, I don't want to see a more modern qy700 made
> > by elektron. The less it
> > is like a computer the better. There is nothing
> > wrong with a qy700 per se-in
> > fact I have one myself-but once you get into the
> > grid edit, add hard drives
> > and all that nonsense it becomes like a cut-down
> > version of cubase which
> > does not really fit with the Elektron style or
> > ethic, and becomes too
> > complicated and time-consuming for somebody who
> > wants the immediacy of a
> > pattern sequencer to replace the fiddly operation of
> > grid-edit sequencers
> > such as th qy700. The sequencer described by Angus
> > sounds like a good update
> > to the qy concept and has many useful features but
> > is too far from the
> > original design of the pattern sequencer in the MnM
> > or MD for an Ekektron
> > product. Maybe you should send your suggestions to
> > Yamaha?
> >
> > -Big Ed
> >
> > >From: "puretokyo2002" <puretokyo@...>
> > >Reply-To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
> > >To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
> > >Subject: Re: [elektron] Elektron stand-alone
> > hardware sequencer
> > >Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 05:06:23 -0000
> > >
> > >
> > >These are great ideas and sound like a beautiful
> > machine. However, once
> > >not=
> > >ation
> > >editor, hard drive etc is added I think it has
> > started to look like a
> > >compu=
> > >ter. The joy of
> > >the Mono/MD sequencer is its immediacy... There is
> > obviously a HUGE market
> > >=
> > >gap
> > >right now for a pure hardware sequencer that takes
> > the place of units like
> > >=
> > >the QY700,
> > >RM1X, etc.
> > >
> > >As for features, one that I would really like is
> > the ability to offset
> > >indi=
> > >vidual notes
> > >separately. This would be a great boon.
> > >
> > >However, I genuinely believe Elektron could
> > implement the hardware
> > >sequence=
> > >r in a
> > >very similar fashion the Monomachine and using
> > essentially the same
> > >technol=
> > >ogy .
> > >
> > >Daniel and others, I certainly hope you guys
> > seriously think about this -
> > >I=
> > >'d buy it in a
> > >eye-blink.
> > >
> > >Angus.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > This thread has captured most of the key
> > control &
> > > > management specs I'd to see too. I second those
> > who
> > > > added
> > > >
> > > > \ufffd 32 Tracks Minimum
> > > > \ufffd 8 MIDI outs
> > > >
> > > > To which I'd add
> > > >
> > > > \ufffd Stereo In / Out
> > > > \ufffd 1/480 Quarter Note Granularity
> > > > \ufffd MD-solid MIDI sync & video time-code sync
> > > >
> > > > I'd like to throw out the following for
> > Interface &
> > > > Interface-driven functionality:
> > > >
> > > > \ufffd Multi-line interface capable of display at
> > least 8
> > > > (preferably 16 tracks at once).
> > > > \ufffd Color TFT Display, minimum 320 x 240 (640 x
> > 480
> > > > better)
> > > > \ufffd Navigation keys + multi-function dial for easy
> > value
> > > > changes
> > > > \ufffd Assignable knobs for real-time control
> > > > \ufffd Joystick (great MnM idea \ufffd but instead of
> > attached,
> > > > why not external for portability)
> > > > \ufffd Full midi creation and editing on a track /
> > pattern
> > > > basis \ufffd recording (step / performance),
> > multi-track,
> > > > pattern, score & event editing, mute, copy,
> > paste.
> > > > \ufffd Ability to sequence pattern sets into songs
> > (no hard
> > > > limit other than available memory / storage).
> > > >
> > > > And Connectivity:
> > > >
> > > > \ufffd Compact Flash or Secure Digital Slot
> > (preference for
> > > > CF)
> > > > \ufffd Computer Connectivity \ufffd USB, 10-BaseT or
> > integrated
> > > > WIFI. USB is minimum. Integrated WIFI I think
> > is
> > > > extreme, but it should allow WIFI via CF
> > adapter.
> > > > \ufffd Minimum 64 MB memory, expandable to 512 MB via
> > 2
> > > > slots x 256 simms.
> > > > \ufffd Minimum 20 GB harddisk \ufffd standard 3.5 inch
> > drive,
> > > > upgrade at will, no proprietary BS.
> > > >
> > > > In short \ufffd continue where Yamaha left off with
> > the
> > > > QY700 from a sequencer edit/control
> > perspective,
> > > > up-dating the visual and connectivity interface
> > to
> > > > modern technology. The networking & color may
> > seem
> > > > extreme, but I don't think so - there's a whole
> > > > commodity world there employing this tech - no
> > reason
> > > > musician's should benefit from the same.
> > > >
> > > > That's what I would like from a sequencer. If
> > someone
> > > > wants to add sound capabilities to make it a
> > little
> > > > more marketable, I have no issue with that \ufffd I'd
> > use
> > > > it big time. Give me the sequencer first, then
> > > > phatten it up a bit with sample storage and
> > editing
> > > > integration. Don't try to deliver samples with
> > it \ufffd
> > > > there are plenty out there, just give me the
> > ability
> > > > to work with standard formats. Leave off the
> > tone
> > > > generator; it just drives up the price & this
> > can
> > > > definitely be done better elsewhere (like sample
> > > > production). Add a basic effects section for
> > final
> > > > mixing and balancing if there's a real demand
> > (again,
> > > > I'd this on the computer or with an array of
> > effects
> > > > processors, personally I don't need it in my
> > Sequencer
> > > > per se).
> > > >
> > > > Lots of words, though meant with luv, Eric
> > > >
> > > > --- tahvenaine2002 <tahvenaine@c...> wrote:
> > > > > I would buy without any questions!! ;)
> > > > > --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "Eddie
> > > > > Higginson"
> > > > > <ehigginson@h...> wrote:
> > > > > > I wholeheartedly agree. Please Elektron,
> > save us
> > > > > all from messing
> > > > > about with
> > > > > > QY700s, Rm1Xs and all those other sequencer
> > and
> > > > > sound module combos
> > > > > and give
> > > > > > us all what we really want: an
> > Elektron-designed
> > > > > sequencer. I would
> > > > > like
> > > > > > 32-track though, and how about a green
> > screen this
> > > > > time for pure
> > > > > aesthetic
> > > > > > appeal alongside the MD an MnM?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >From: "puretokyo2002" <puretokyo@h...>
> > > > > > >Reply-To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > >To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > >Subject: Re: [elektron] Elektron
> > stand-alone
> > > > > hardware sequencer
> > > > > > >Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 05:59:22 -0000
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > in fact, one of my "I hope they make it"
> > synth
> > > > > items is an
> > > > > Elektron
> > > > > > > > dedicated sequencer with the MnM/MD
> > interface
> > > > > and full
> > > > > polyphonic
> > > > > > > > capabilities (well, and the ability to
> > record
> > > > > any incoming MIDI
> > > > > > > > information).
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Joe.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Amen. My god, what we could achieve with a
> > stand
> > > > > alone, 16-track,
> > > > > > >polyphonic, 64-
> > > > > > >step, step-sequence would be incredible.
> > > > > Elektron, PLEASE. PLEASE
> > > > > PLEASE
> > > > > > >PLEASE.
> > > > > > >There is an huge gap in the market for this
> > kind
> > > > > of tool.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Ideally, in addition to the specs above, it
> > would
> > > > > have:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >64 steps (4x16, like the mono)
> > > > > > >4 midi outs (to control samplers/synth
> > modules
> > > > > etc)
> > > > > > >2 midi ins (to allow a keyboard and a
> > knob-board
> > > > > or return from a
> > > > > synth)
> > > > > > >8 knobs for CC parameter control (say, 2
> > pages of
> > > > > parameters for
> > > > > each
> > > > > > >track)
> > > > > > >2 lfos for each track, sending midi
> > parameter
> > > > > data to the external
> > > > > synths
> > > > > > >polyphonic recording/sequencing on each
> > track
> > > > > > >MnM-style Arpeggiator, Slide etc
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >This would be an absolutely incredible
> > machine
> > > > > for writing music
> > > > > and for
> > > > > > >performing
> > > > > > >live. The vast majority of the hardware and
> > > > > software design is
> > > > > already
> > > > > > >complete, and
> > > > > > >thus it couldn't be that difficult to
> > produce.
> > > > > > >The reason I personally would like it is
> > that I
> > > > > find the MnM/MD
> > > > > perfect for
> > > > > > >writing,
> > > > > > >arranging and assembling, but can't control
> > > > > enough external
> > > > > > >synths/samplers, and
> > > > > > >not without routing midi via the computer.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Who else would like to see something like
> > this?
> > > > > What features
> > > > > should it
> > > > > > >include? If we
> > > > > > >shout loud enough...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Angus.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> >
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