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Re: [elektron] midi recording on MnM

2004-01-09 by D.E

could you point me to the place where performance synth is mentioned ? I
just haven\ufffdt seen this yet.

as for the sequencer, keep in mind this is a pattern based sequencer , if
you want to play along SK-1 stylee then use a un-quantized sequencer.(mpc,
cubase etc. .)

you dont have to layer different midichanneltracks to create chords, you
lock the parameterdata creating chords for each track.

but of course if you really want different notelengths  within one chord
then you\ufffdre screwed.

d
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Subject: [elektron] midi recording on MnM


> Ugh...
>
> I had put off digging into the details behind programming the 6 Midi
> tracks, and having just read that section of the manual and tried it
> out a bit, I'm pretty disappointed with it.
>
> a) you cannot record note lengths by playing them?  You have to set
> each note-length after the fact? And the note length values are 0-
> 127, not 1/16, 1/8, 1/4, etc.
>
> b) you cannot have a chord with different note lengths.  That means
> you cannot have a whole note under several quarter notes without
> using multiple tracks and recording each separately.  This wastes
> tracks, time, and patience.
>
> Shouldn't a "performance synth" actually record my performance to
> some minimal extent?  My $10 Casio SK-1, made in the early 80's can
> record what I play faithfully, why can't my $1500 MnM do this?  I
> mean, I'm not even an accomplished keyboardist, and yet the MnM
> cannot keep up with my lame-ass chords.
>
> I _really_ want to use the MnM sequencer with my other keyboards, but
> very few of them are monophonic, and I'd rather not have to put forth
> a Wendy Carlos Williams effort, creating a polyphonic piece by
> layering multiple more-or-less monophonic tracks.
>
> I tried to sequence the simple (criticized as such) track I posted a
> link to last week, and... it may not even be possible!?  And if it
> is, it will take 6 tracks for two _simple_ synth parts?
>
> ...what to do...
>
> -gerald
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Re: [elektron] midi recording on MnM

2004-01-09 by oldmanfury

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "D.E" <erase@a...> wrote:
> could you point me to the place where performance synth is 
mentioned ?
No... It is my mistake... It just _looks_ like a performance synth.

> if you want to play along SK-1 stylee then use a un-quantized 
sequencer.(mpc, cubase etc. .)
I was hoping it would quantize note length in record mode.  It does 
this in the synth section - why not in the midi section too?
  
> but of course if you really want different notelengths  within one 
chord
> then you´re screwed.

Yep.  I'm screwed.  And, if you have any old sequenced tracks you can 
look at...  go look at them - everywhere you have notes over-lapping 
(not just un-even chords), you're screwed too.

Go ahead and _try_ to use the midi section to sequence "Heart and 
soul", that horrid little song everyone learns to play on the piano 
when they're 5.  Why, on such an intuitive, fun-to program synth is 
such a simple exercize so painful?

-gerald

I love the synth portion of the MnM, by the way.  I just want it to 
have the perfect hardware-sequencer below the 6 glorious mono tracks.

Re: [elektron] midi recording on MnM

2004-01-09 by tahvenaine2002

I think people confuse here things. It's name is MONOmachine. It 
means its a monosynth. What confuses more is that it's price is very 
much same as polysynths on the market. It sure would be cool to use 
midi-tracks with different note lenghts, however I really can't see 
how this could be done in practice, you only got one set of leds.. 
(we should also be able to edit the data after record). I you think 
this machine in a context of monosynth, it's pretty clear that this 
is a superb thing. Do your monostuff with this and polystuff with 
cubase. Yeah yeah, I know cubase sucks compare to monosequencer.. :( 
Solution is to get to know cubase and learn how to use it (this 
includes me too..)

Toni.

Re: [elektron] midi recording on MnM

2004-01-10 by oldmanfury

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "tahvenaine2002" 
<tahvenaine@c...> wrote:
> Do your monostuff with this and polystuff with 
> cubase. Yeah yeah, I know cubase sucks compare to monosequencer.. :
( 
> Solution is to get to know cubase and learn how to use it (this 
> includes me too..)

Yeah.  This is how I worked prior to the monomachine - but syncing 
the MD and Cubase and editing the end result is a pain, and I was 
really looking forward to trying my hand at hardware only 
sequencing.  But I can't "try my hand" at it, only "try one finger at 
a time" six times over.

I bitched and moaned (for which I must be developing quite the 
reputation on this list) about not being able to send parameter locks 
to Cubase as CC's.  The MD's parameter locks are too many, and too 
fast to send.  So, in this sense the step/lock model is superior to 
MIDI.  But now I find that general MIDI is superior to MnM-MIDI?  I 
can't layer notes on one track of the MnM, and this is something even 
my C64 MIDI sequencer can do.  If 64k of ram and a 0.985 MHz 
processor is enough to handle 16 note MIDI polyphony, can't two 
modern DSP's handle this?  If the intention was to only have 
monophonic midi tracks, then they should have included CV outs, as 
most mono-synths used that standard.

The reason I'm complaining is to try to get enough people to agree 
that MIDI polyphony is important enough that elektron should consider 
including it in an update.

-gerald

Re: [elektron] midi recording on MnM

2004-01-10 by Joe

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "oldmanfury" <erinys@s...> wrote:
> Yeah.  This is how I worked prior to the monomachine - but syncing 
> the MD and Cubase and editing the end result is a pain, and I was 
> really looking forward to trying my hand at hardware only 
> sequencing.  But I can't "try my hand" at it, only "try one finger 
> at 
> a time" six times over.


see you need to just have inferior keyboard skills. then you, like me,
won't have this note-length issue :-)

 
> The reason I'm complaining is to try to get enough people to agree 
> that MIDI polyphony is important enough that elektron should 
> consider 
> including it in an update.

I think it's very important and I think that they should implement it.
but I don't know if they will. I think that a lot of the problem is
trying to find a simple, accurate and intuitive way to display the
sequenced data within the interface. that is, without mucking up the
simplicity of it.

I DO think that the MnM is an incredibly powerful step sequencer.
given its nature, ease of use and intuitive interface, it's very
powerful and useful. and I'm quite happy with it as is. but giving it
full polyphonic capabilities would make it a thousand times better. 

in fact, one of my "I hope they make it" synth items is an Elektron
dedicated sequencer with the MnM/MD interface and full polyphonic
capabilities (well, and the ability to record any incoming MIDI
information).

Joe.

Re: [elektron] midi recording on MnM

2004-01-10 by schmackofanz

totally agree.
Its a bit too dogmatic to limit the Midistuff to mono.
99% of the MIDI gear out there is polyphonic by nature.
I believe its the mixture of monophonic and polyphonic that makes great music.

I ordered a SFX-60 from my local dealer and it should arrive in a couple of days.
Can you load presets for the machines into a kit from ohter kits or do you always have 
to create anything from scratch or modify existing kits.
What if you want the leadsound from one kit in another one?

Hans

Re: [elektron] Elektron stand-alone hardware sequencer

2004-01-11 by puretokyo2002

> in fact, one of my "I hope they make it" synth items is an Elektron
> dedicated sequencer with the MnM/MD interface and full polyphonic
> capabilities (well, and the ability to record any incoming MIDI
> information).
> 
> Joe.

Amen. My god, what we could achieve with a stand alone, 16-track, polyphonic, 64-
step, step-sequence would be incredible. Elektron, PLEASE. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE. 
There is an huge gap in the market for this kind of tool.

Ideally, in addition to the specs above, it would have: 

64 steps (4x16, like the mono)
4 midi outs (to control samplers/synth modules etc)
2 midi ins (to allow a keyboard and a knob-board or return from a synth)
8 knobs for CC parameter control (say, 2 pages of parameters for each track)
2 lfos for each track, sending midi parameter data to the external synths
polyphonic recording/sequencing on each track
MnM-style Arpeggiator, Slide etc

This would be an absolutely incredible machine for writing music and for performing 
live. The vast majority of the hardware and software design is already complete, and 
thus it couldn't be that difficult to produce.
The reason I personally would like it is that I find the MnM/MD perfect for writing, 
arranging and assembling, but can't control enough external synths/samplers, and 
not without routing midi via the computer. 

Who else would like to see something like this? What features should it include? If we 
shout loud enough...

Angus.

Re: [elektron] Elektron stand-alone hardware sequencer

2004-01-11 by not known

<<< Angus. wrote >>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
64 steps (4x16, like the mono)
4 midi outs (to control samplers/synth modules etc)
2 midi ins (to allow a keyboard and a knob-board or
return from a synth)
8 knobs for CC parameter control (say, 2 pages of
parameters for each track)
2 lfos for each track, sending midi parameter data to
the external synths
polyphonic recording/sequencing on each track
MnM-style Arpeggiator, Slide etc

This would be an absolutely incredible machine for
writing music and for performing 
live. The vast majority of the hardware and software
design is already complete, and 
thus it couldn't be that difficult to produce.
The reason I personally would like it is that I find
the MnM/MD perfect for writing, 
arranging and assembling, but can't control enough
external synths/samplers, and 
not without routing midi via the computer. 

Who else would like to see something like this? What
features should it include? If we 
shout loud enough...
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

I'm on board! though I would personally like to see
more than 4 MIDI outs, more like 8 of them. there's a
fair bit of real-estate to work with on the rear of
the MD-style case when you don't have to accomodate
any audio out! or perhaps, if it's feasible, they
could incorporate the 4 MIDI outs as standard, with a
port for a rackmount expander unit that would give 12
more MIDI outs (i.e. to provide a MIDI out for each
track of the sequencer, once all is said and done)...
something along those lines...

another feature I's like is additional "control"
tracks ON TOP of the 16 "note" tracks... i.e. more
tracks which would store and generate *just* CC
messages without the need to send any note data, so
that one would be able to send sequenced CCs to
automate FX units and the like as well...

just my $0.02!

cheers,
kevin







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Re: [elektron] Elektron stand-alone hardware sequencer

2004-01-12 by Jeff Storm

http://www.radikaltechnologies.com/Products/SPECTRALIS/spectralis.html

hmmm...no idea about prices yet
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  Subject: Re: [elektron] Elektron stand-alone hardware sequencer


  <<< Angus. wrote >>>

  >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
  64 steps (4x16, like the mono)
  4 midi outs (to control samplers/synth modules etc)
  2 midi ins (to allow a keyboard and a knob-board or
  return from a synth)
  8 knobs for CC parameter control (say, 2 pages of
  parameters for each track)
  2 lfos for each track, sending midi parameter data to
  the external synths
  polyphonic recording/sequencing on each track
  MnM-style Arpeggiator, Slide etc

  This would be an absolutely incredible machine for
  writing music and for performing 
  live. The vast majority of the hardware and software
  design is already complete, and 
  thus it couldn't be that difficult to produce.
  The reason I personally would like it is that I find
  the MnM/MD perfect for writing, 
  arranging and assembling, but can't control enough
  external synths/samplers, and 
  not without routing midi via the computer. 

  Who else would like to see something like this? What
  features should it include? If we 
  shout loud enough...
  <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

  I'm on board! though I would personally like to see
  more than 4 MIDI outs, more like 8 of them. there's a
  fair bit of real-estate to work with on the rear of
  the MD-style case when you don't have to accomodate
  any audio out! or perhaps, if it's feasible, they
  could incorporate the 4 MIDI outs as standard, with a
  port for a rackmount expander unit that would give 12
  more MIDI outs (i.e. to provide a MIDI out for each
  track of the sequencer, once all is said and done)...
  something along those lines...

  another feature I's like is additional "control"
  tracks ON TOP of the 16 "note" tracks... i.e. more
  tracks which would store and generate *just* CC
  messages without the need to send any note data, so
  that one would be able to send sequenced CCs to
  automate FX units and the like as well...

  just my $0.02!

  cheers,
  kevin







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Re: [elektron] Elektron stand-alone hardware sequencer

2004-01-12 by not known

--- Jeff Storm <jeff@...> wrote: 
---------------------------------
http://www.radikaltechnologies.com/Products/SPECTRALIS/spectralis.html

hmmm...no idea about prices yet
---------------------------------

don't get me wrong, this box looks nice, but (with due
respect): what does it have to do with what we were
talking about? I don't see any MIDI capabilities on
this thing - seems that it's sequencer, while very
nice looking, only controls the internal synth
engine... maybe I'm missing something?

our discussion here was about a hardware sequencer
*with no internal sound engine*, dedicated to
controlling *other* hardware synths. it doesn't seem
to me that this is what the Spectralis does...

that said, the Spectralis does indeed look tempting in
it's own right... I wonder what the price will be?

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Re: [elektron] Elektron stand-alone hardware sequencer

2004-01-14 by Eddie Higginson

I wholeheartedly agree. Please Elektron, save us all from messing about with 
QY700s, Rm1Xs and all those other sequencer and sound module combos and give 
us all what we really want: an Elektron-designed sequencer. I would like 
32-track though, and how about a green screen this time for pure aesthetic 
appeal alongside the MD an MnM?


>From: "puretokyo2002" <puretokyo@...>
>Reply-To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
>To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [elektron] Elektron stand-alone hardware sequencer
>Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 05:59:22 -0000
>
> > in fact, one of my "I hope they make it" synth items is an Elektron
> > dedicated sequencer with the MnM/MD interface and full polyphonic
> > capabilities (well, and the ability to record any incoming MIDI
> > information).
> >
> > Joe.
>
>Amen. My god, what we could achieve with a stand alone, 16-track, 
>polyphonic, 64-
>step, step-sequence would be incredible. Elektron, PLEASE. PLEASE PLEASE 
>PLEASE.
>There is an huge gap in the market for this kind of tool.
>
>Ideally, in addition to the specs above, it would have:
>
>64 steps (4x16, like the mono)
>4 midi outs (to control samplers/synth modules etc)
>2 midi ins (to allow a keyboard and a knob-board or return from a synth)
>8 knobs for CC parameter control (say, 2 pages of parameters for each 
>track)
>2 lfos for each track, sending midi parameter data to the external synths
>polyphonic recording/sequencing on each track
>MnM-style Arpeggiator, Slide etc
>
>This would be an absolutely incredible machine for writing music and for 
>performing
>live. The vast majority of the hardware and software design is already 
>complete, and
>thus it couldn't be that difficult to produce.
>The reason I personally would like it is that I find the MnM/MD perfect for 
>writing,
>arranging and assembling, but can't control enough external 
>synths/samplers, and
>not without routing midi via the computer.
>
>Who else would like to see something like this? What features should it 
>include? If we
>shout loud enough...
>
>Angus.
>

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Re: [elektron] Elektron stand-alone hardware sequencer

2004-01-14 by tahvenaine2002

I would buy without any questions!! ;)

t.

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "Eddie Higginson" 
<ehigginson@h...> wrote:
> I wholeheartedly agree. Please Elektron, save us all from messing 
about with 
> QY700s, Rm1Xs and all those other sequencer and sound module combos 
and give 
> us all what we really want: an Elektron-designed sequencer. I would 
like 
> 32-track though, and how about a green screen this time for pure 
aesthetic 
> appeal alongside the MD an MnM?
> 
> 
> >From: "puretokyo2002" <puretokyo@h...>
> >Reply-To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
> >To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: Re: [elektron] Elektron stand-alone hardware sequencer
> >Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 05:59:22 -0000
> >
> > > in fact, one of my "I hope they make it" synth items is an 
Elektron
> > > dedicated sequencer with the MnM/MD interface and full 
polyphonic
> > > capabilities (well, and the ability to record any incoming MIDI
> > > information).
> > >
> > > Joe.
> >
> >Amen. My god, what we could achieve with a stand alone, 16-track, 
> >polyphonic, 64-
> >step, step-sequence would be incredible. Elektron, PLEASE. PLEASE 
PLEASE 
> >PLEASE.
> >There is an huge gap in the market for this kind of tool.
> >
> >Ideally, in addition to the specs above, it would have:
> >
> >64 steps (4x16, like the mono)
> >4 midi outs (to control samplers/synth modules etc)
> >2 midi ins (to allow a keyboard and a knob-board or return from a 
synth)
> >8 knobs for CC parameter control (say, 2 pages of parameters for 
each 
> >track)
> >2 lfos for each track, sending midi parameter data to the external 
synths
> >polyphonic recording/sequencing on each track
> >MnM-style Arpeggiator, Slide etc
> >
> >This would be an absolutely incredible machine for writing music 
and for 
> >performing
> >live. The vast majority of the hardware and software design is 
already 
> >complete, and
> >thus it couldn't be that difficult to produce.
> >The reason I personally would like it is that I find the MnM/MD 
perfect for 
> >writing,
> >arranging and assembling, but can't control enough external 
> >synths/samplers, and
> >not without routing midi via the computer.
> >
> >Who else would like to see something like this? What features 
should it 
> >include? If we
> >shout loud enough...
> >
> >Angus.
> >
> 
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Re: [elektron] Elektron stand-alone hardware sequencer

2004-01-14 by Eddie Higginson

Plus an idea for how to implement polyphony: how about a MD-style data wheel 
to select note and have a seperate pattern for each note, just like there is 
a seperate pattern for each drum on the MD? Surely without having to deal 
with all the synthesis of the MD or Monomachine the dual-DSP architecture 
could handle this across 32 tracks at once?

-Big Ed


>From: "tahvenaine2002" <tahvenaine@...>
>Reply-To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
>To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [elektron] Elektron stand-alone hardware sequencer
>Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 13:21:20 -0000
>
>I would buy without any questions!! ;)
>
>t.

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Re: [elektron] Elektron stand-alone hardware sequencer

2004-01-14 by Damon Menne

3 things:

- Per track time signature
- Per track clock division
- Master track with a pile of syncable (of course!) LFOs
- USB or flash card for backup and storage

Take the monomachine sequencer, add those things, give us 32 tracks (8 
track buttons, 4 LEDs each?), give us polyphonic sequencing per track, 
give me an event list editor with really nice ways of whipping around 
it quickly, and you've got my money.

Then you've got my money++.   And you've abolished my need for the 
custom midi tools I've hand written, and let me bring them on stage.

Wanna make it insane?

- Implement sampler machine(s) to bind to tracks and play off of CF or 
some such.

No trivial task to be sure.  But neither was making the SID current nor 
reinventing the drum machine.  I have faith.  ;-]
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On Wednesday, January 14, 2004, at 05:29 AM, Eddie Higginson wrote:

> Plus an idea for how to implement polyphony: how about a MD-style data 
> wheel
> to select note and have a seperate pattern for each note, just like 
> there is
> a seperate pattern for each drum on the MD? Surely without having to 
> deal
> with all the synthesis of the MD or Monomachine the dual-DSP 
> architecture
> could handle this across 32 tracks at once?
>
> -Big Ed
>
>
>> From: "tahvenaine2002" <tahvenaine@...>
>> Reply-To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
>> To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: Re: [elektron] Elektron stand-alone hardware sequencer
>> Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 13:21:20 -0000
>>
>> I would buy without any questions!! ;)
>>
>> t.
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Re: [elektron] Elektron stand-alone hardware sequencer

2004-01-14 by Eric Jacobsen

First an apology - I started a thread last month on
asking opinions on a good hardware sequencer that got
a lot of activity and really helped me out.  But I
never said thanks to everyone here.

THANKS!!!!

My only excuses is that right after I started the
thread I moved from Saudi Arabia back to the US and
have been completely off-line until last week.

If anyone is interested, I'll post some detail on what
I picked & why.  The short version is nothing really
hit the sweet spot (of course :-).  But honestly from
everyone\ufffds comments and spending hours with various
sequencers, I think the Hardware Sequencer market is
even worse off and riper for innovation than the drum
machine market was a couple of years ago when Elektron
released the Machine Drum and all the buzz before hand
was "who needs another drum machine - and in HARDWARE"
- until musicians and reviewers touched it.  The rest
is history & here we are.  Daniel, you could really
clean-up with a good sequencer.

From my recent look, I felt the sequencer market had
gone astray and nobody really makes a sequencer whose
feature set targets & and develops the core task at
hand \ufffd sequencing.  IMO, over the last 5 years the
sequencing functionality has been reduced or not
further developed in favor of more and more
\ufffdproduction\ufffd features for sampling and tone
generation.  It was as though the manufacturers were
assuming or conceding that users would do their
detailed, in-depth sequencing with one of the
heavy-weight computer-based software sequencers and
therefore it was fruitless to compete on sequencing
functionality so they focused on all-in-one
production, i.e. differentiation via sounds and sound
generation.

I think this was a major market mistake = major market
opportunity, and one I hope Elektron will address for
us.  This trend has been 180 degrees opposite from
what I want in a Sequencer.  If I want a sampler or
sound module, I\ufffdll buy one.  Don\ufffdt sell me what\ufffds
called a Sequencer that\ufffds 35-40% sequencing and the
major portion sound production.  
Maybe I\ufffdm unique, but from the comments I\ufffdve seen here
and on other music-oriented lists I don\ufffdt think so.  I
think a lot of serious musicians would shell out some
hard cash for a good,well-designed Sequencer.  

The last mass-market sequencer that really tried to
incorporate these design goals was Yamaha\ufffds QY700. 
And while the sequencing features and functional
ability are still impressive (better than anything
else for non-live, standalone sequencing IMO) the
samples and sound hardware are very dated,
architecture as well (not a slam \ufffd it came out in
1997, ancient as quick as this market evolves).

 This thread has captured most of the key control &
management specs I\ufffdd to see too.  I second those who
added

\ufffd	32 Tracks Minimum
\ufffd	8 MIDI outs

To which I\ufffdd add

\ufffd	Stereo In / Out
\ufffd	1/480 Quarter Note Granularity
\ufffd	MD-solid MIDI sync & video time-code sync

I\ufffdd like to throw out the following for Interface &
Interface-driven functionality:

\ufffd	Multi-line interface capable of display at least 8
(preferably 16 tracks at once).
\ufffd	Color TFT Display, minimum 320 x 240 (640 x 480
better)
\ufffd	Navigation keys + multi-function dial for easy value
changes
\ufffd	Assignable knobs for real-time control
\ufffd	Joystick (great MnM idea \ufffd but instead of attached,
why not external for portability)
\ufffd	Full midi creation and editing on a track / pattern
basis \ufffd recording (step / performance), multi-track,
pattern, score & event editing, mute, copy, paste.
\ufffd	Ability to sequence pattern sets into songs (no hard
limit other than available memory / storage).

And Connectivity:

\ufffd	Compact Flash or Secure Digital Slot (preference for
CF)
\ufffd	Computer Connectivity \ufffd USB, 10-BaseT or integrated
WIFI.  USB is minimum.  Integrated WIFI I think is
extreme, but it should allow WIFI via CF adapter.
\ufffd	Minimum 64 MB memory, expandable to 512 MB via 2
slots x 256 simms.
\ufffd	Minimum 20 GB harddisk \ufffd standard 3.5 inch drive,
upgrade at will, no proprietary BS.

In short \ufffd continue where Yamaha left off with the
QY700 from a sequencer  edit/control perspective,
up-dating the visual and connectivity interface to
modern technology.  The networking & color may seem
extreme, but I don't think so - there's a whole
commodity world there employing this tech - no reason
musician's should benefit from the same.

That\ufffds what I would like from a sequencer.  If someone
wants to add sound capabilities to make it a little
more marketable, I have no issue with that \ufffd I\ufffdd use
it big time.  Give me the sequencer first, then
phatten it up a bit with sample storage and editing
integration.  Don\ufffdt try to deliver samples with it \ufffd
there are plenty out there, just give me the ability
to work with standard formats.  Leave off the tone
generator; it just drives up the price & this can
definitely be done better elsewhere (like sample
production).  Add a basic effects section for final
mixing and balancing if there\ufffds a real demand (again,
I\ufffdd this on the computer or with an array of effects
processors, personally I don\ufffdt need it in my Sequencer
per se).

Lots of words, though meant with luv, Eric

--- tahvenaine2002 <tahvenaine@...> wrote:
> I would buy without any questions!! ;)
> --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "Eddie
> Higginson" 
> <ehigginson@h...> wrote:
> > I wholeheartedly agree. Please Elektron, save us
> all from messing 
> about with 
> > QY700s, Rm1Xs and all those other sequencer and
> sound module combos 
> and give 
> > us all what we really want: an Elektron-designed
> sequencer. I would 
> like 
> > 32-track though, and how about a green screen this
> time for pure 
> aesthetic 
> > appeal alongside the MD an MnM?
> > 
> > 
> > >From: "puretokyo2002" <puretokyo@h...>
> > >Reply-To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
> > >To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
> > >Subject: Re: [elektron] Elektron stand-alone
> hardware sequencer
> > >Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 05:59:22 -0000
> > >
> > > > in fact, one of my "I hope they make it" synth
> items is an 
> Elektron
> > > > dedicated sequencer with the MnM/MD interface
> and full 
> polyphonic
> > > > capabilities (well, and the ability to record
> any incoming MIDI
> > > > information).
> > > >
> > > > Joe.
> > >
> > >Amen. My god, what we could achieve with a stand
> alone, 16-track, 
> > >polyphonic, 64-
> > >step, step-sequence would be incredible.
> Elektron, PLEASE. PLEASE 
> PLEASE 
> > >PLEASE.
> > >There is an huge gap in the market for this kind
> of tool.
> > >
> > >Ideally, in addition to the specs above, it would
> have:
> > >
> > >64 steps (4x16, like the mono)
> > >4 midi outs (to control samplers/synth modules
> etc)
> > >2 midi ins (to allow a keyboard and a knob-board
> or return from a 
> synth)
> > >8 knobs for CC parameter control (say, 2 pages of
> parameters for 
> each 
> > >track)
> > >2 lfos for each track, sending midi parameter
> data to the external 
> synths
> > >polyphonic recording/sequencing on each track
> > >MnM-style Arpeggiator, Slide etc
> > >
> > >This would be an absolutely incredible machine
> for writing music 
> and for 
> > >performing
> > >live. The vast majority of the hardware and
> software design is 
> already 
> > >complete, and
> > >thus it couldn't be that difficult to produce.
> > >The reason I personally would like it is that I
> find the MnM/MD 
> perfect for 
> > >writing,
> > >arranging and assembling, but can't control
> enough external 
> > >synths/samplers, and
> > >not without routing midi via the computer.
> > >
> > >Who else would like to see something like this?
> What features 
> should it 
> > >include? If we
> > >shout loud enough...
> > >
> > >Angus.
> > >
> > 
> >
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Re: [elektron] Elektron stand-alone hardware sequencer

2004-01-15 by endlessnessisticman

I say get on to a sampler with an improved sequencer compared to the 
MnM or MD.  It could blow away any mpc for the same price just with 
the UI itself.  Of course we will probably need to wait for the 
success of the monomachine.

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, Damon Menne <damon@m...> 
wrote:
> 3 things:
> 
> - Per track time signature
> - Per track clock division
> - Master track with a pile of syncable (of course!) LFOs
> - USB or flash card for backup and storage
> 
> Take the monomachine sequencer, add those things, give us 32 
tracks (8 
> track buttons, 4 LEDs each?), give us polyphonic sequencing per 
track, 
> give me an event list editor with really nice ways of whipping 
around 
> it quickly, and you've got my money.
> 
> Then you've got my money++.   And you've abolished my need for the 
> custom midi tools I've hand written, and let me bring them on 
stage.
> 
> Wanna make it insane?
> 
> - Implement sampler machine(s) to bind to tracks and play off of 
CF or 
> some such.
> 
> No trivial task to be sure.  But neither was making the SID 
current nor 
> reinventing the drum machine.  I have faith.  ;-]
> 
> On Wednesday, January 14, 2004, at 05:29 AM, Eddie Higginson wrote:
> 
> > Plus an idea for how to implement polyphony: how about a MD-
style data 
> > wheel
> > to select note and have a seperate pattern for each note, just 
like 
> > there is
> > a seperate pattern for each drum on the MD? Surely without 
having to 
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> > deal
> > with all the synthesis of the MD or Monomachine the dual-DSP 
> > architecture
> > could handle this across 32 tracks at once?
> >
> > -Big Ed
> >
> >
> >> From: "tahvenaine2002" <tahvenaine@c...>
> >> Reply-To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
> >> To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
> >> Subject: Re: [elektron] Elektron stand-alone hardware sequencer
> >> Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 13:21:20 -0000
> >>
> >> I would buy without any questions!! ;)
> >>
> >> t.
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Re: [elektron] Elektron stand-alone hardware sequencer

2004-01-15 by Joe

On Thu, Jan 15, 2004 at 04:06:07AM -0000, endlessnessisticman wrote:
>    I say get on to a sampler with an improved sequencer compared to the
>    MnM or MD.  It could blow away any mpc for the same price just with
>    the UI itself.  Of course we will probably need to wait for the
>    success of the monomachine.

if Elektron makes a sampler, do you think they'll name
it "the copymachine"? :-)

Joe.

Re: Elektron stand-alone hardware sequencer

2004-01-15 by puretokyo2002

God yes! A Matrix-green screen would be hot hot hot.


--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "Eddie Higginson" <ehigginson@h...> 
wrote:
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> I wholeheartedly agree. Please Elektron, save us all from messing about with 
> QY700s, Rm1Xs and all those other sequencer and sound module combos and give 
> us all what we really want: an Elektron-designed sequencer. I would like 
> 32-track though, and how about a green screen this time for pure aesthetic 
> appeal alongside the MD an MnM?

Re: [elektron] Elektron stand-alone hardware sequencer

2004-01-15 by Eric Jacobsen

--- Joe <jmelnyk@...> wrote:
> if Elektron makes a sampler, do you think they'll
> name it "the copymachine"? :-)

or how bout the "Pro 4 Quid" ;-)


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Re: [elektron] Elektron stand-alone hardware sequencer

2004-01-15 by puretokyo2002

These are great ideas and sound like a beautiful machine. However, once not=
ation 
editor, hard drive etc is added I think it has started to look like a compu=
ter. The joy of 
the Mono/MD sequencer is its immediacy... There is obviously a HUGE market =
gap 
right now for a pure hardware sequencer that takes the place of units like =
the QY700, 
RM1X, etc.

As for features, one that I would really like is the ability to offset indi=
vidual notes 
separately. This would be a great boon.

However, I genuinely believe Elektron could implement the hardware sequence=
r in a 
very similar fashion the Monomachine and using essentially the same technol=
ogy .

Daniel and others, I certainly hope you guys seriously think about this - I=
'd buy it in a 
eye-blink.

Angus.
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> 
>  This thread has captured most of the key control &
> management specs I'd to see too.  I second those who
> added
> 
> ·	32 Tracks Minimum
> ·	8 MIDI outs
> 
> To which I'd add
> 
> ·	Stereo In / Out
> ·	1/480 Quarter Note Granularity
> ·	MD-solid MIDI sync & video time-code sync
> 
> I'd like to throw out the following for Interface &
> Interface-driven functionality:
> 
> ·	Multi-line interface capable of display at least 8
> (preferably 16 tracks at once).
> ·	Color TFT Display, minimum 320 x 240 (640 x 480
> better)
> ·	Navigation keys + multi-function dial for easy value
> changes
> ·	Assignable knobs for real-time control
> ·	Joystick (great MnM idea – but instead of attached,
> why not external for portability)
> ·	Full midi creation and editing on a track / pattern
> basis – recording (step / performance), multi-track,
> pattern, score & event editing, mute, copy, paste.
> ·	Ability to sequence pattern sets into songs (no hard
> limit other than available memory / storage).
> 
> And Connectivity:
> 
> ·	Compact Flash or Secure Digital Slot (preference for
> CF)
> ·	Computer Connectivity – USB, 10-BaseT or integrated
> WIFI.  USB is minimum.  Integrated WIFI I think is
> extreme, but it should allow WIFI via CF adapter.
> ·	Minimum 64 MB memory, expandable to 512 MB via 2
> slots x 256 simms.
> ·	Minimum 20 GB harddisk – standard 3.5 inch drive,
> upgrade at will, no proprietary BS.
> 
> In short – continue where Yamaha left off with the
> QY700 from a sequencer  edit/control perspective,
> up-dating the visual and connectivity interface to
> modern technology.  The networking & color may seem
> extreme, but I don't think so - there's a whole
> commodity world there employing this tech - no reason
> musician's should benefit from the same.
> 
> That's what I would like from a sequencer.  If someone
> wants to add sound capabilities to make it a little
> more marketable, I have no issue with that – I'd use
> it big time.  Give me the sequencer first, then
> phatten it up a bit with sample storage and editing
> integration.  Don't try to deliver samples with it –
> there are plenty out there, just give me the ability
> to work with standard formats.  Leave off the tone
> generator; it just drives up the price & this can
> definitely be done better elsewhere (like sample
> production).  Add a basic effects section for final
> mixing and balancing if there's a real demand (again,
> I'd this on the computer or with an array of effects
> processors, personally I don't need it in my Sequencer
> per se).
> 
> Lots of words, though meant with luv, Eric
> 
> --- tahvenaine2002 <tahvenaine@c...> wrote:
> > I would buy without any questions!! ;)
> > --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "Eddie
> > Higginson" 
> > <ehigginson@h...> wrote:
> > > I wholeheartedly agree. Please Elektron, save us
> > all from messing 
> > about with 
> > > QY700s, Rm1Xs and all those other sequencer and
> > sound module combos 
> > and give 
> > > us all what we really want: an Elektron-designed
> > sequencer. I would 
> > like 
> > > 32-track though, and how about a green screen this
> > time for pure 
> > aesthetic 
> > > appeal alongside the MD an MnM?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > >From: "puretokyo2002" <puretokyo@h...>
> > > >Reply-To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
> > > >To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
> > > >Subject: Re: [elektron] Elektron stand-alone
> > hardware sequencer
> > > >Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 05:59:22 -0000
> > > >
> > > > > in fact, one of my "I hope they make it" synth
> > items is an 
> > Elektron
> > > > > dedicated sequencer with the MnM/MD interface
> > and full 
> > polyphonic
> > > > > capabilities (well, and the ability to record
> > any incoming MIDI
> > > > > information).
> > > > >
> > > > > Joe.
> > > >
> > > >Amen. My god, what we could achieve with a stand
> > alone, 16-track, 
> > > >polyphonic, 64-
> > > >step, step-sequence would be incredible.
> > Elektron, PLEASE. PLEASE 
> > PLEASE 
> > > >PLEASE.
> > > >There is an huge gap in the market for this kind
> > of tool.
> > > >
> > > >Ideally, in addition to the specs above, it would
> > have:
> > > >
> > > >64 steps (4x16, like the mono)
> > > >4 midi outs (to control samplers/synth modules
> > etc)
> > > >2 midi ins (to allow a keyboard and a knob-board
> > or return from a 
> > synth)
> > > >8 knobs for CC parameter control (say, 2 pages of
> > parameters for 
> > each 
> > > >track)
> > > >2 lfos for each track, sending midi parameter
> > data to the external 
> > synths
> > > >polyphonic recording/sequencing on each track
> > > >MnM-style Arpeggiator, Slide etc
> > > >
> > > >This would be an absolutely incredible machine
> > for writing music 
> > and for 
> > > >performing
> > > >live. The vast majority of the hardware and
> > software design is 
> > already 
> > > >complete, and
> > > >thus it couldn't be that difficult to produce.
> > > >The reason I personally would like it is that I
> > find the MnM/MD 
> > perfect for 
> > > >writing,
> > > >arranging and assembling, but can't control
> > enough external 
> > > >synths/samplers, and
> > > >not without routing midi via the computer.
> > > >
> > > >Who else would like to see something like this?
> > What features 
> > should it 
> > > >include? If we
> > > >shout loud enough...
> > > >
> > > >Angus.
> > > >
> > > 
> > >
> >
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Re: [elektron] Elektron stand-alone hardware sequencer

2004-01-15 by Eddie Higginson

Yeah, I don't want to see a more modern qy700 made by elektron. The less it 
is like a computer the better. There is nothing wrong with a qy700 per se-in 
fact I have one myself-but once you get into the grid edit, add hard drives 
and all that nonsense it becomes like a cut-down version of cubase which 
does not really fit with the Elektron style or ethic, and becomes too 
complicated and time-consuming for somebody who wants the immediacy of a 
pattern sequencer to replace the fiddly operation of grid-edit sequencers 
such as th qy700. The sequencer described by Angus sounds like a good update 
to the qy concept and has many useful features but is too far from the 
original design of the pattern sequencer in the MnM or MD for an Ekektron 
product. Maybe you should send your suggestions to Yamaha?

  -Big Ed

>From: "puretokyo2002" <puretokyo@...>
>Reply-To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
>To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [elektron] Elektron stand-alone hardware sequencer
>Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 05:06:23 -0000
>
>
>These are great ideas and sound like a beautiful machine. However, once 
>not=
>ation
>editor, hard drive etc is added I think it has started to look like a 
>compu=
>ter. The joy of
>the Mono/MD sequencer is its immediacy... There is obviously a HUGE market 
>=
>gap
>right now for a pure hardware sequencer that takes the place of units like 
>=
>the QY700,
>RM1X, etc.
>
>As for features, one that I would really like is the ability to offset 
>indi=
>vidual notes
>separately. This would be a great boon.
>
>However, I genuinely believe Elektron could implement the hardware 
>sequence=
>r in a
>very similar fashion the Monomachine and using essentially the same 
>technol=
>ogy .
>
>Daniel and others, I certainly hope you guys seriously think about this - 
>I=
>'d buy it in a
>eye-blink.
>
>Angus.
>
> >
> >  This thread has captured most of the key control &
> > management specs I'd to see too.  I second those who
> > added
> >
> > \ufffd	32 Tracks Minimum
> > \ufffd	8 MIDI outs
> >
> > To which I'd add
> >
> > \ufffd	Stereo In / Out
> > \ufffd	1/480 Quarter Note Granularity
> > \ufffd	MD-solid MIDI sync & video time-code sync
> >
> > I'd like to throw out the following for Interface &
> > Interface-driven functionality:
> >
> > \ufffd	Multi-line interface capable of display at least 8
> > (preferably 16 tracks at once).
> > \ufffd	Color TFT Display, minimum 320 x 240 (640 x 480
> > better)
> > \ufffd	Navigation keys + multi-function dial for easy value
> > changes
> > \ufffd	Assignable knobs for real-time control
> > \ufffd	Joystick (great MnM idea \ufffd but instead of attached,
> > why not external for portability)
> > \ufffd	Full midi creation and editing on a track / pattern
> > basis \ufffd recording (step / performance), multi-track,
> > pattern, score & event editing, mute, copy, paste.
> > \ufffd	Ability to sequence pattern sets into songs (no hard
> > limit other than available memory / storage).
> >
> > And Connectivity:
> >
> > \ufffd	Compact Flash or Secure Digital Slot (preference for
> > CF)
> > \ufffd	Computer Connectivity \ufffd USB, 10-BaseT or integrated
> > WIFI.  USB is minimum.  Integrated WIFI I think is
> > extreme, but it should allow WIFI via CF adapter.
> > \ufffd	Minimum 64 MB memory, expandable to 512 MB via 2
> > slots x 256 simms.
> > \ufffd	Minimum 20 GB harddisk \ufffd standard 3.5 inch drive,
> > upgrade at will, no proprietary BS.
> >
> > In short \ufffd continue where Yamaha left off with the
> > QY700 from a sequencer  edit/control perspective,
> > up-dating the visual and connectivity interface to
> > modern technology.  The networking & color may seem
> > extreme, but I don't think so - there's a whole
> > commodity world there employing this tech - no reason
> > musician's should benefit from the same.
> >
> > That's what I would like from a sequencer.  If someone
> > wants to add sound capabilities to make it a little
> > more marketable, I have no issue with that \ufffd I'd use
> > it big time.  Give me the sequencer first, then
> > phatten it up a bit with sample storage and editing
> > integration.  Don't try to deliver samples with it \ufffd
> > there are plenty out there, just give me the ability
> > to work with standard formats.  Leave off the tone
> > generator; it just drives up the price & this can
> > definitely be done better elsewhere (like sample
> > production).  Add a basic effects section for final
> > mixing and balancing if there's a real demand (again,
> > I'd this on the computer or with an array of effects
> > processors, personally I don't need it in my Sequencer
> > per se).
> >
> > Lots of words, though meant with luv, Eric
> >
> > --- tahvenaine2002 <tahvenaine@c...> wrote:
> > > I would buy without any questions!! ;)
> > > --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "Eddie
> > > Higginson"
> > > <ehigginson@h...> wrote:
> > > > I wholeheartedly agree. Please Elektron, save us
> > > all from messing
> > > about with
> > > > QY700s, Rm1Xs and all those other sequencer and
> > > sound module combos
> > > and give
> > > > us all what we really want: an Elektron-designed
> > > sequencer. I would
> > > like
> > > > 32-track though, and how about a green screen this
> > > time for pure
> > > aesthetic
> > > > appeal alongside the MD an MnM?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >From: "puretokyo2002" <puretokyo@h...>
> > > > >Reply-To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
> > > > >To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
> > > > >Subject: Re: [elektron] Elektron stand-alone
> > > hardware sequencer
> > > > >Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 05:59:22 -0000
> > > > >
> > > > > > in fact, one of my "I hope they make it" synth
> > > items is an
> > > Elektron
> > > > > > dedicated sequencer with the MnM/MD interface
> > > and full
> > > polyphonic
> > > > > > capabilities (well, and the ability to record
> > > any incoming MIDI
> > > > > > information).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Joe.
> > > > >
> > > > >Amen. My god, what we could achieve with a stand
> > > alone, 16-track,
> > > > >polyphonic, 64-
> > > > >step, step-sequence would be incredible.
> > > Elektron, PLEASE. PLEASE
> > > PLEASE
> > > > >PLEASE.
> > > > >There is an huge gap in the market for this kind
> > > of tool.
> > > > >
> > > > >Ideally, in addition to the specs above, it would
> > > have:
> > > > >
> > > > >64 steps (4x16, like the mono)
> > > > >4 midi outs (to control samplers/synth modules
> > > etc)
> > > > >2 midi ins (to allow a keyboard and a knob-board
> > > or return from a
> > > synth)
> > > > >8 knobs for CC parameter control (say, 2 pages of
> > > parameters for
> > > each
> > > > >track)
> > > > >2 lfos for each track, sending midi parameter
> > > data to the external
> > > synths
> > > > >polyphonic recording/sequencing on each track
> > > > >MnM-style Arpeggiator, Slide etc
> > > > >
> > > > >This would be an absolutely incredible machine
> > > for writing music
> > > and for
> > > > >performing
> > > > >live. The vast majority of the hardware and
> > > software design is
> > > already
> > > > >complete, and
> > > > >thus it couldn't be that difficult to produce.
> > > > >The reason I personally would like it is that I
> > > find the MnM/MD
> > > perfect for
> > > > >writing,
> > > > >arranging and assembling, but can't control
> > > enough external
> > > > >synths/samplers, and
> > > > >not without routing midi via the computer.
> > > > >
> > > > >Who else would like to see something like this?
> > > What features
> > > should it
> > > > >include? If we
> > > > >shout loud enough...
> > > > >
> > > > >Angus.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
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Re: [elektron] Elektron stand-alone hardware sequencer

2004-01-15 by Eddie Higginson

Sorry I mean described by Eric


>From: "Eddie Higginson" <ehigginson@...>
>Reply-To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
>To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [elektron] Elektron stand-alone hardware sequencer
>Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 13:56:25 +0000
>
>Yeah, I don't want to see a more modern qy700 made by elektron. The less it
>is like a computer the better. There is nothing wrong with a qy700 per 
>se-in
>fact I have one myself-but once you get into the grid edit, add hard drives
>and all that nonsense it becomes like a cut-down version of cubase which
>does not really fit with the Elektron style or ethic, and becomes too
>complicated and time-consuming for somebody who wants the immediacy of a
>pattern sequencer to replace the fiddly operation of grid-edit sequencers
>such as th qy700. The sequencer described by Angus sounds like a good 
>update
>to the qy concept and has many useful features but is too far from the
>original design of the pattern sequencer in the MnM or MD for an Ekektron
>product. Maybe you should send your suggestions to Yamaha?
>
>   -Big Ed
>
> >From: "puretokyo2002" <puretokyo@...>
> >Reply-To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
> >To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: Re: [elektron] Elektron stand-alone hardware sequencer
> >Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 05:06:23 -0000
> >
> >
> >These are great ideas and sound like a beautiful machine. However, once
> >not=
> >ation
> >editor, hard drive etc is added I think it has started to look like a
> >compu=
> >ter. The joy of
> >the Mono/MD sequencer is its immediacy... There is obviously a HUGE 
>market
> >=
> >gap
> >right now for a pure hardware sequencer that takes the place of units 
>like
> >=
> >the QY700,
> >RM1X, etc.
> >
> >As for features, one that I would really like is the ability to offset
> >indi=
> >vidual notes
> >separately. This would be a great boon.
> >
> >However, I genuinely believe Elektron could implement the hardware
> >sequence=
> >r in a
> >very similar fashion the Monomachine and using essentially the same
> >technol=
> >ogy .
> >
> >Daniel and others, I certainly hope you guys seriously think about this -
> >I=
> >'d buy it in a
> >eye-blink.
> >
> >Angus.
> >
> > >
> > >  This thread has captured most of the key control &
> > > management specs I'd to see too.  I second those who
> > > added
> > >
> > > \ufffd	32 Tracks Minimum
> > > \ufffd	8 MIDI outs
> > >
> > > To which I'd add
> > >
> > > \ufffd	Stereo In / Out
> > > \ufffd	1/480 Quarter Note Granularity
> > > \ufffd	MD-solid MIDI sync & video time-code sync
> > >
> > > I'd like to throw out the following for Interface &
> > > Interface-driven functionality:
> > >
> > > \ufffd	Multi-line interface capable of display at least 8
> > > (preferably 16 tracks at once).
> > > \ufffd	Color TFT Display, minimum 320 x 240 (640 x 480
> > > better)
> > > \ufffd	Navigation keys + multi-function dial for easy value
> > > changes
> > > \ufffd	Assignable knobs for real-time control
> > > \ufffd	Joystick (great MnM idea \ufffd but instead of attached,
> > > why not external for portability)
> > > \ufffd	Full midi creation and editing on a track / pattern
> > > basis \ufffd recording (step / performance), multi-track,
> > > pattern, score & event editing, mute, copy, paste.
> > > \ufffd	Ability to sequence pattern sets into songs (no hard
> > > limit other than available memory / storage).
> > >
> > > And Connectivity:
> > >
> > > \ufffd	Compact Flash or Secure Digital Slot (preference for
> > > CF)
> > > \ufffd	Computer Connectivity \ufffd USB, 10-BaseT or integrated
> > > WIFI.  USB is minimum.  Integrated WIFI I think is
> > > extreme, but it should allow WIFI via CF adapter.
> > > \ufffd	Minimum 64 MB memory, expandable to 512 MB via 2
> > > slots x 256 simms.
> > > \ufffd	Minimum 20 GB harddisk \ufffd standard 3.5 inch drive,
> > > upgrade at will, no proprietary BS.
> > >
> > > In short \ufffd continue where Yamaha left off with the
> > > QY700 from a sequencer  edit/control perspective,
> > > up-dating the visual and connectivity interface to
> > > modern technology.  The networking & color may seem
> > > extreme, but I don't think so - there's a whole
> > > commodity world there employing this tech - no reason
> > > musician's should benefit from the same.
> > >
> > > That's what I would like from a sequencer.  If someone
> > > wants to add sound capabilities to make it a little
> > > more marketable, I have no issue with that \ufffd I'd use
> > > it big time.  Give me the sequencer first, then
> > > phatten it up a bit with sample storage and editing
> > > integration.  Don't try to deliver samples with it \ufffd
> > > there are plenty out there, just give me the ability
> > > to work with standard formats.  Leave off the tone
> > > generator; it just drives up the price & this can
> > > definitely be done better elsewhere (like sample
> > > production).  Add a basic effects section for final
> > > mixing and balancing if there's a real demand (again,
> > > I'd this on the computer or with an array of effects
> > > processors, personally I don't need it in my Sequencer
> > > per se).
> > >
> > > Lots of words, though meant with luv, Eric
> > >
> > > --- tahvenaine2002 <tahvenaine@c...> wrote:
> > > > I would buy without any questions!! ;)
> > > > --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "Eddie
> > > > Higginson"
> > > > <ehigginson@h...> wrote:
> > > > > I wholeheartedly agree. Please Elektron, save us
> > > > all from messing
> > > > about with
> > > > > QY700s, Rm1Xs and all those other sequencer and
> > > > sound module combos
> > > > and give
> > > > > us all what we really want: an Elektron-designed
> > > > sequencer. I would
> > > > like
> > > > > 32-track though, and how about a green screen this
> > > > time for pure
> > > > aesthetic
> > > > > appeal alongside the MD an MnM?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >From: "puretokyo2002" <puretokyo@h...>
> > > > > >Reply-To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > >To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > >Subject: Re: [elektron] Elektron stand-alone
> > > > hardware sequencer
> > > > > >Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 05:59:22 -0000
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > in fact, one of my "I hope they make it" synth
> > > > items is an
> > > > Elektron
> > > > > > > dedicated sequencer with the MnM/MD interface
> > > > and full
> > > > polyphonic
> > > > > > > capabilities (well, and the ability to record
> > > > any incoming MIDI
> > > > > > > information).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Joe.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Amen. My god, what we could achieve with a stand
> > > > alone, 16-track,
> > > > > >polyphonic, 64-
> > > > > >step, step-sequence would be incredible.
> > > > Elektron, PLEASE. PLEASE
> > > > PLEASE
> > > > > >PLEASE.
> > > > > >There is an huge gap in the market for this kind
> > > > of tool.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Ideally, in addition to the specs above, it would
> > > > have:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >64 steps (4x16, like the mono)
> > > > > >4 midi outs (to control samplers/synth modules
> > > > etc)
> > > > > >2 midi ins (to allow a keyboard and a knob-board
> > > > or return from a
> > > > synth)
> > > > > >8 knobs for CC parameter control (say, 2 pages of
> > > > parameters for
> > > > each
> > > > > >track)
> > > > > >2 lfos for each track, sending midi parameter
> > > > data to the external
> > > > synths
> > > > > >polyphonic recording/sequencing on each track
> > > > > >MnM-style Arpeggiator, Slide etc
> > > > > >
> > > > > >This would be an absolutely incredible machine
> > > > for writing music
> > > > and for
> > > > > >performing
> > > > > >live. The vast majority of the hardware and
> > > > software design is
> > > > already
> > > > > >complete, and
> > > > > >thus it couldn't be that difficult to produce.
> > > > > >The reason I personally would like it is that I
> > > > find the MnM/MD
> > > > perfect for
> > > > > >writing,
> > > > > >arranging and assembling, but can't control
> > > > enough external
> > > > > >synths/samplers, and
> > > > > >not without routing midi via the computer.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Who else would like to see something like this?
> > > > What features
> > > > should it
> > > > > >include? If we
> > > > > >shout loud enough...
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Angus.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
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Re: [elektron] Elektron stand-alone hardware sequencer

2004-01-15 by Eric Jacobsen

No issue, really.  Good suggestion on sending to
Yamaha; they make good gear.  But I do think Elektron
could do this a whole lot better :-)

A little clarification, though...

I agree 100% on retaining step sequencing with the
intuitive access and flexibility Elektron has
developed to date.  Fits luvly the electronics-based
music I want to produce and originally why I bought my
MD.
 
Sorry, I wasn\ufffdt clear in my original post on my
distinction between the way the qy700 uses it\ufffds parts
and advocating that the QY700 functionality within
those parts should be supersetted.  

My point in reference to the QY700 was the general
interface & editing metaphor - i.e. a new generation
sequencer should be able to display its functionality
on a large, multi-line screen - multiple patterns or
lines of events, parameter settings, song
associations, etc. like the QY700 *uses* its large
screen - rather than one to a couple of lines at best
forcing us into lots of overlay menus.  Screens are
commodities now & cheap enough that this shouldn't be
the design / cost trade-off it once was.  

Likewise on editing, that the control software, with
more screen real estate available like the QY700 has,
should be more expansive in features centered around
developing, recording and assembling patterns and
sequencing them to songs.  Don't want a scaled down
Cubase.  Wouldn't suggest it do everything.  But
enough functionality related to Sequencing is needed,
which of course will overlap some of what computer
sequencer software does.  I do agree that full blown
notational / score functionality is not needed, but a
functional module to edit MIDI recorded scores should
be in a hardware sequencer designed for MIDI
sequencing a wide range of gear as not everything fits
a rhythm / drum / percussion scheme.  This would
address some of the recent MnM comments around
polyphony and the complexity of sequencing recorded
MnM keyboard performances.  

Comment on the hard disk was not intended to make it
more computer-like, but cost / performance based for
storage.  You can pickup a 1 GB compact flash card at
any computer store, but it\ufffds still less storage & more
expensive than a 20GB hard drive; slower too. \ufffdcourse
the HD doesn't fit in your pocket or plug into your
pda so you can play around with your opus on the
commute to work :-). And if this future beasty is only
sequencing the CF solution\ufffds fine, but if someone adds
in any kind of sample sequencing then you\ufffdll want that
space.  Either way works for me as long as the
sequencer itself is the showpiece.

eric

--- Eddie Higginson <ehigginson@...> wrote:
> Yeah, I don't want to see a more modern qy700 made
> by elektron. The less it 
> is like a computer the better. There is nothing
> wrong with a qy700 per se-in 
> fact I have one myself-but once you get into the
> grid edit, add hard drives 
> and all that nonsense it becomes like a cut-down
> version of cubase which 
> does not really fit with the Elektron style or
> ethic, and becomes too 
> complicated and time-consuming for somebody who
> wants the immediacy of a 
> pattern sequencer to replace the fiddly operation of
> grid-edit sequencers 
> such as th qy700. The sequencer described by Angus
> sounds like a good update 
> to the qy concept and has many useful features but
> is too far from the 
> original design of the pattern sequencer in the MnM
> or MD for an Ekektron 
> product. Maybe you should send your suggestions to
> Yamaha?
> 
>   -Big Ed
> 
> >From: "puretokyo2002" <puretokyo@...>
> >Reply-To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
> >To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: Re: [elektron] Elektron stand-alone
> hardware sequencer
> >Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 05:06:23 -0000
> >
> >
> >These are great ideas and sound like a beautiful
> machine. However, once 
> >not=
> >ation
> >editor, hard drive etc is added I think it has
> started to look like a 
> >compu=
> >ter. The joy of
> >the Mono/MD sequencer is its immediacy... There is
> obviously a HUGE market 
> >=
> >gap
> >right now for a pure hardware sequencer that takes
> the place of units like 
> >=
> >the QY700,
> >RM1X, etc.
> >
> >As for features, one that I would really like is
> the ability to offset 
> >indi=
> >vidual notes
> >separately. This would be a great boon.
> >
> >However, I genuinely believe Elektron could
> implement the hardware 
> >sequence=
> >r in a
> >very similar fashion the Monomachine and using
> essentially the same 
> >technol=
> >ogy .
> >
> >Daniel and others, I certainly hope you guys
> seriously think about this - 
> >I=
> >'d buy it in a
> >eye-blink.
> >
> >Angus.
> >
> > >
> > >  This thread has captured most of the key
> control &
> > > management specs I'd to see too.  I second those
> who
> > > added
> > >
> > > \ufffd	32 Tracks Minimum
> > > \ufffd	8 MIDI outs
> > >
> > > To which I'd add
> > >
> > > \ufffd	Stereo In / Out
> > > \ufffd	1/480 Quarter Note Granularity
> > > \ufffd	MD-solid MIDI sync & video time-code sync
> > >
> > > I'd like to throw out the following for
> Interface &
> > > Interface-driven functionality:
> > >
> > > \ufffd	Multi-line interface capable of display at
> least 8
> > > (preferably 16 tracks at once).
> > > \ufffd	Color TFT Display, minimum 320 x 240 (640 x
> 480
> > > better)
> > > \ufffd	Navigation keys + multi-function dial for easy
> value
> > > changes
> > > \ufffd	Assignable knobs for real-time control
> > > \ufffd	Joystick (great MnM idea \ufffd but instead of
> attached,
> > > why not external for portability)
> > > \ufffd	Full midi creation and editing on a track /
> pattern
> > > basis \ufffd recording (step / performance),
> multi-track,
> > > pattern, score & event editing, mute, copy,
> paste.
> > > \ufffd	Ability to sequence pattern sets into songs
> (no hard
> > > limit other than available memory / storage).
> > >
> > > And Connectivity:
> > >
> > > \ufffd	Compact Flash or Secure Digital Slot
> (preference for
> > > CF)
> > > \ufffd	Computer Connectivity \ufffd USB, 10-BaseT or
> integrated
> > > WIFI.  USB is minimum.  Integrated WIFI I think
> is
> > > extreme, but it should allow WIFI via CF
> adapter.
> > > \ufffd	Minimum 64 MB memory, expandable to 512 MB via
> 2
> > > slots x 256 simms.
> > > \ufffd	Minimum 20 GB harddisk \ufffd standard 3.5 inch
> drive,
> > > upgrade at will, no proprietary BS.
> > >
> > > In short \ufffd continue where Yamaha left off with
> the
> > > QY700 from a sequencer  edit/control
> perspective,
> > > up-dating the visual and connectivity interface
> to
> > > modern technology.  The networking & color may
> seem
> > > extreme, but I don't think so - there's a whole
> > > commodity world there employing this tech - no
> reason
> > > musician's should benefit from the same.
> > >
> > > That's what I would like from a sequencer.  If
> someone
> > > wants to add sound capabilities to make it a
> little
> > > more marketable, I have no issue with that \ufffd I'd
> use
> > > it big time.  Give me the sequencer first, then
> > > phatten it up a bit with sample storage and
> editing
> > > integration.  Don't try to deliver samples with
> it \ufffd
> > > there are plenty out there, just give me the
> ability
> > > to work with standard formats.  Leave off the
> tone
> > > generator; it just drives up the price & this
> can
> > > definitely be done better elsewhere (like sample
> > > production).  Add a basic effects section for
> final
> > > mixing and balancing if there's a real demand
> (again,
> > > I'd this on the computer or with an array of
> effects
> > > processors, personally I don't need it in my
> Sequencer
> > > per se).
> > >
> > > Lots of words, though meant with luv, Eric
> > >
> > > --- tahvenaine2002 <tahvenaine@c...> wrote:
> > > > I would buy without any questions!! ;)
> > > > --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "Eddie
> > > > Higginson"
> > > > <ehigginson@h...> wrote:
> > > > > I wholeheartedly agree. Please Elektron,
> save us
> > > > all from messing
> > > > about with
> > > > > QY700s, Rm1Xs and all those other sequencer
> and
> > > > sound module combos
> > > > and give
> > > > > us all what we really want: an
> Elektron-designed
> > > > sequencer. I would
> > > > like
> > > > > 32-track though, and how about a green
> screen this
> > > > time for pure
> > > > aesthetic
> > > > > appeal alongside the MD an MnM?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >From: "puretokyo2002" <puretokyo@h...>
> > > > > >Reply-To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > >To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > >Subject: Re: [elektron] Elektron
> stand-alone
> > > > hardware sequencer
> > > > > >Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 05:59:22 -0000
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > in fact, one of my "I hope they make it"
> synth
> > > > items is an
> > > > Elektron
> > > > > > > dedicated sequencer with the MnM/MD
> interface
> > > > and full
> > > > polyphonic
> > > > > > > capabilities (well, and the ability to
> record
> > > > any incoming MIDI
> > > > > > > information).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Joe.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Amen. My god, what we could achieve with a
> stand
> > > > alone, 16-track,
> > > > > >polyphonic, 64-
> > > > > >step, step-sequence would be incredible.
> > > > Elektron, PLEASE. PLEASE
> > > > PLEASE
> > > > > >PLEASE.
> > > > > >There is an huge gap in the market for this
> kind
> > > > of tool.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Ideally, in addition to the specs above, it
> would
> > > > have:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >64 steps (4x16, like the mono)
> > > > > >4 midi outs (to control samplers/synth
> modules
> > > > etc)
> > > > > >2 midi ins (to allow a keyboard and a
> knob-board
> > > > or return from a
> > > > synth)
> > > > > >8 knobs for CC parameter control (say, 2
> pages of
> > > > parameters for
> > > > each
> > > > > >track)
> > > > > >2 lfos for each track, sending midi
> parameter
> > > > data to the external
> > > > synths
> > > > > >polyphonic recording/sequencing on each
> track
> > > > > >MnM-style Arpeggiator, Slide etc
> > > > > >
> > > > > >This would be an absolutely incredible
> machine
> > > > for writing music
> > > > and for
> > > > > >performing
> > > > > >live. The vast majority of the hardware and
> > > > software design is
> > > > already
> > > > > >complete, and
> > > > > >thus it couldn't be that difficult to
> produce.
> > > > > >The reason I personally would like it is
> that I
> > > > find the MnM/MD
> > > > perfect for
> > > > > >writing,
> > > > > >arranging and assembling, but can't control
> > > > enough external
> > > > > >synths/samplers, and
> > > > > >not without routing midi via the computer.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Who else would like to see something like
> this?
> > > > What features
> > > > should it
> > > > > >include? If we
> > > > > >shout loud enough...
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Angus.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
>
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Re: [elektron] Elektron stand-alone hardware sequencer

2004-01-16 by puretokyo2002

Good sentiment; quick correction: Eric wanted the notation edit/hard drive/effects 
section etc. I just want a souped-up, stand-alone dedicated MnM style sequencer.

Angus.

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "Eddie Higginson" <ehigginson@h...> 
wrote:
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> Yeah, I don't want to see a more modern qy700 made by elektron. The less it 
> is like a computer the better. There is nothing wrong with a qy700 per se-in 
> fact I have one myself-but once you get into the grid edit, add hard drives 
> and all that nonsense it becomes like a cut-down version of cubase which 
> does not really fit with the Elektron style or ethic, and becomes too 
> complicated and time-consuming for somebody who wants the immediacy of a 
> pattern sequencer to replace the fiddly operation of grid-edit sequencers 
> such as th qy700. The sequencer described by Angus sounds like a good update 
> to the qy concept and has many useful features but is too far from the 
> original design of the pattern sequencer in the MnM or MD for an Ekektron 
> product. Maybe you should send your suggestions to Yamaha?
> 
>   -Big Ed
>

Re: [elektron] Elektron stand-alone hardware sequencer

2004-01-16 by endlessnessisticman

I say have something like the mpc1000 with USB capabilities then all 
you need is a portable hd or yer taplop for storage.  The way things 
are going with HD's you could get a 40g hd like an ipod on the cheap 
in a couple years.  

It'd be nice to have an all in one sequencer that holds your midi 
songs, sysex for other synths, and your samples.  I see where you're 
going with this idea.

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "puretokyo2002" 
<puretokyo@h...> wrote:
> The point about the hard-drive was that that it shouldn't be 
necessary to store 
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> ANYTHING except the patterns. Its a sequencer, not a DAW :)
> 
> Angus.

Re: [elektron] Elektron stand-alone hardware sequencer

2004-01-16 by Eddie Higginson

Yeah sorry mate I posted the same reply again with a little correction at 
the top. Must have got a bit confused!

-Big Ed


>From: "puretokyo2002" <puretokyo@...>
>Reply-To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
>To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [elektron] Elektron stand-alone hardware sequencer
>Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 00:58:08 -0000
>
>
>Good sentiment; quick correction: Eric wanted the notation edit/hard 
>drive/effects
>section etc. I just want a souped-up, stand-alone dedicated MnM style 
>sequencer.
>
>Angus.
>
>--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "Eddie Higginson" <ehigginson@h...>
>wrote:
> > Yeah, I don't want to see a more modern qy700 made by elektron. The less 
>it
> > is like a computer the better. There is nothing wrong with a qy700 per 
>se-in
> > fact I have one myself-but once you get into the grid edit, add hard 
>drives
> > and all that nonsense it becomes like a cut-down version of cubase which
> > does not really fit with the Elektron style or ethic, and becomes too
> > complicated and time-consuming for somebody who wants the immediacy of a
> > pattern sequencer to replace the fiddly operation of grid-edit 
>sequencers
> > such as th qy700. The sequencer described by Angus sounds like a good 
>update
> > to the qy concept and has many useful features but is too far from the
> > original design of the pattern sequencer in the MnM or MD for an 
>Ekektron
> > product. Maybe you should send your suggestions to Yamaha?
> >
> >   -Big Ed
> >
>

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Re: [elektron] Elektron stand-alone hardware sequencer

2004-01-16 by Eddie Higginson

Yeah you do have a good point about if it can record MIDI then it has to 
have some way of being able to edit suff which does not fit into the 
pattern. Alot of stuff I do is 90% pattern-based but with synth solo lines 
which have timing that cannot be quantisted into 16 steps, and this is 
generally what I use the QY700 for. Someone (I think Angus but I don't want 
to misquote you again!) said about offsetting individual notes which would 
be a good way to get around this-think how the 'offs' parameter works in the 
arpeggiator on the MnM- without straying into grid editing.
  What would also be useful would be a way of chaining patterns into one 
lump for the purpose of solos etc, for example a 'Pattern' mode for normal 
pattern sequencing and a 'Lead' mode where you can chain few patterns which 
always go together. These two types of pattern could then be used alongside 
each other, with the 'Lead' patterns overlaid onto the 'Pattern' base song. 
I've just read this through and it sounds confusing but hopefully you'll 
understand what I mean!
  I think that Eric's 'Super Sequencer' sounds great but I just don't think 
it is right for Elektron and is probably getting too far from their designs 
for the MD and MnM for them to be able to produce something so complicated 
in within the forseeable future! I would like something of the same size as 
the MD or baby Mono with nothing other than killer pattern sequencing, the 
MnM arpeggiator, LFOs and the classic fast, easy elektron interface. USB 
backup facilities would be nice though...

-Big Ed


>From: Eric Jacobsen <eajacobsen@...>
>Reply-To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
>To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [elektron] Elektron stand-alone hardware sequencer
>Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 13:14:14 -0800 (PST)
>
>No issue, really.  Good suggestion on sending to
>Yamaha; they make good gear.  But I do think Elektron
>could do this a whole lot better :-)
>
>A little clarification, though...
>
>I agree 100% on retaining step sequencing with the
>intuitive access and flexibility Elektron has
>developed to date.  Fits luvly the electronics-based
>music I want to produce and originally why I bought my
>MD.
>
>Sorry, I wasn\ufffdt clear in my original post on my
>distinction between the way the qy700 uses it\ufffds parts
>and advocating that the QY700 functionality within
>those parts should be supersetted.
>
>My point in reference to the QY700 was the general
>interface & editing metaphor - i.e. a new generation
>sequencer should be able to display its functionality
>on a large, multi-line screen - multiple patterns or
>lines of events, parameter settings, song
>associations, etc. like the QY700 *uses* its large
>screen - rather than one to a couple of lines at best
>forcing us into lots of overlay menus.  Screens are
>commodities now & cheap enough that this shouldn't be
>the design / cost trade-off it once was.
>
>Likewise on editing, that the control software, with
>more screen real estate available like the QY700 has,
>should be more expansive in features centered around
>developing, recording and assembling patterns and
>sequencing them to songs.  Don't want a scaled down
>Cubase.  Wouldn't suggest it do everything.  But
>enough functionality related to Sequencing is needed,
>which of course will overlap some of what computer
>sequencer software does.  I do agree that full blown
>notational / score functionality is not needed, but a
>functional module to edit MIDI recorded scores should
>be in a hardware sequencer designed for MIDI
>sequencing a wide range of gear as not everything fits
>a rhythm / drum / percussion scheme.  This would
>address some of the recent MnM comments around
>polyphony and the complexity of sequencing recorded
>MnM keyboard performances.
>
>Comment on the hard disk was not intended to make it
>more computer-like, but cost / performance based for
>storage.  You can pickup a 1 GB compact flash card at
>any computer store, but it\ufffds still less storage & more
>expensive than a 20GB hard drive; slower too. \ufffdcourse
>the HD doesn't fit in your pocket or plug into your
>pda so you can play around with your opus on the
>commute to work :-). And if this future beasty is only
>sequencing the CF solution\ufffds fine, but if someone adds
>in any kind of sample sequencing then you\ufffdll want that
>space.  Either way works for me as long as the
>sequencer itself is the showpiece.
>
>eric
>
>--- Eddie Higginson <ehigginson@...> wrote:
> > Yeah, I don't want to see a more modern qy700 made
> > by elektron. The less it
> > is like a computer the better. There is nothing
> > wrong with a qy700 per se-in
> > fact I have one myself-but once you get into the
> > grid edit, add hard drives
> > and all that nonsense it becomes like a cut-down
> > version of cubase which
> > does not really fit with the Elektron style or
> > ethic, and becomes too
> > complicated and time-consuming for somebody who
> > wants the immediacy of a
> > pattern sequencer to replace the fiddly operation of
> > grid-edit sequencers
> > such as th qy700. The sequencer described by Angus
> > sounds like a good update
> > to the qy concept and has many useful features but
> > is too far from the
> > original design of the pattern sequencer in the MnM
> > or MD for an Ekektron
> > product. Maybe you should send your suggestions to
> > Yamaha?
> >
> >   -Big Ed
> >
> > >From: "puretokyo2002" <puretokyo@...>
> > >Reply-To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
> > >To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
> > >Subject: Re: [elektron] Elektron stand-alone
> > hardware sequencer
> > >Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 05:06:23 -0000
> > >
> > >
> > >These are great ideas and sound like a beautiful
> > machine. However, once
> > >not=
> > >ation
> > >editor, hard drive etc is added I think it has
> > started to look like a
> > >compu=
> > >ter. The joy of
> > >the Mono/MD sequencer is its immediacy... There is
> > obviously a HUGE market
> > >=
> > >gap
> > >right now for a pure hardware sequencer that takes
> > the place of units like
> > >=
> > >the QY700,
> > >RM1X, etc.
> > >
> > >As for features, one that I would really like is
> > the ability to offset
> > >indi=
> > >vidual notes
> > >separately. This would be a great boon.
> > >
> > >However, I genuinely believe Elektron could
> > implement the hardware
> > >sequence=
> > >r in a
> > >very similar fashion the Monomachine and using
> > essentially the same
> > >technol=
> > >ogy .
> > >
> > >Daniel and others, I certainly hope you guys
> > seriously think about this -
> > >I=
> > >'d buy it in a
> > >eye-blink.
> > >
> > >Angus.
> > >
> > > >
> > > >  This thread has captured most of the key
> > control &
> > > > management specs I'd to see too.  I second those
> > who
> > > > added
> > > >
> > > > \ufffd	32 Tracks Minimum
> > > > \ufffd	8 MIDI outs
> > > >
> > > > To which I'd add
> > > >
> > > > \ufffd	Stereo In / Out
> > > > \ufffd	1/480 Quarter Note Granularity
> > > > \ufffd	MD-solid MIDI sync & video time-code sync
> > > >
> > > > I'd like to throw out the following for
> > Interface &
> > > > Interface-driven functionality:
> > > >
> > > > \ufffd	Multi-line interface capable of display at
> > least 8
> > > > (preferably 16 tracks at once).
> > > > \ufffd	Color TFT Display, minimum 320 x 240 (640 x
> > 480
> > > > better)
> > > > \ufffd	Navigation keys + multi-function dial for easy
> > value
> > > > changes
> > > > \ufffd	Assignable knobs for real-time control
> > > > \ufffd	Joystick (great MnM idea \ufffd but instead of
> > attached,
> > > > why not external for portability)
> > > > \ufffd	Full midi creation and editing on a track /
> > pattern
> > > > basis \ufffd recording (step / performance),
> > multi-track,
> > > > pattern, score & event editing, mute, copy,
> > paste.
> > > > \ufffd	Ability to sequence pattern sets into songs
> > (no hard
> > > > limit other than available memory / storage).
> > > >
> > > > And Connectivity:
> > > >
> > > > \ufffd	Compact Flash or Secure Digital Slot
> > (preference for
> > > > CF)
> > > > \ufffd	Computer Connectivity \ufffd USB, 10-BaseT or
> > integrated
> > > > WIFI.  USB is minimum.  Integrated WIFI I think
> > is
> > > > extreme, but it should allow WIFI via CF
> > adapter.
> > > > \ufffd	Minimum 64 MB memory, expandable to 512 MB via
> > 2
> > > > slots x 256 simms.
> > > > \ufffd	Minimum 20 GB harddisk \ufffd standard 3.5 inch
> > drive,
> > > > upgrade at will, no proprietary BS.
> > > >
> > > > In short \ufffd continue where Yamaha left off with
> > the
> > > > QY700 from a sequencer  edit/control
> > perspective,
> > > > up-dating the visual and connectivity interface
> > to
> > > > modern technology.  The networking & color may
> > seem
> > > > extreme, but I don't think so - there's a whole
> > > > commodity world there employing this tech - no
> > reason
> > > > musician's should benefit from the same.
> > > >
> > > > That's what I would like from a sequencer.  If
> > someone
> > > > wants to add sound capabilities to make it a
> > little
> > > > more marketable, I have no issue with that \ufffd I'd
> > use
> > > > it big time.  Give me the sequencer first, then
> > > > phatten it up a bit with sample storage and
> > editing
> > > > integration.  Don't try to deliver samples with
> > it \ufffd
> > > > there are plenty out there, just give me the
> > ability
> > > > to work with standard formats.  Leave off the
> > tone
> > > > generator; it just drives up the price & this
> > can
> > > > definitely be done better elsewhere (like sample
> > > > production).  Add a basic effects section for
> > final
> > > > mixing and balancing if there's a real demand
> > (again,
> > > > I'd this on the computer or with an array of
> > effects
> > > > processors, personally I don't need it in my
> > Sequencer
> > > > per se).
> > > >
> > > > Lots of words, though meant with luv, Eric
> > > >
> > > > --- tahvenaine2002 <tahvenaine@c...> wrote:
> > > > > I would buy without any questions!! ;)
> > > > > --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "Eddie
> > > > > Higginson"
> > > > > <ehigginson@h...> wrote:
> > > > > > I wholeheartedly agree. Please Elektron,
> > save us
> > > > > all from messing
> > > > > about with
> > > > > > QY700s, Rm1Xs and all those other sequencer
> > and
> > > > > sound module combos
> > > > > and give
> > > > > > us all what we really want: an
> > Elektron-designed
> > > > > sequencer. I would
> > > > > like
> > > > > > 32-track though, and how about a green
> > screen this
> > > > > time for pure
> > > > > aesthetic
> > > > > > appeal alongside the MD an MnM?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >From: "puretokyo2002" <puretokyo@h...>
> > > > > > >Reply-To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > >To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > >Subject: Re: [elektron] Elektron
> > stand-alone
> > > > > hardware sequencer
> > > > > > >Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 05:59:22 -0000
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > in fact, one of my "I hope they make it"
> > synth
> > > > > items is an
> > > > > Elektron
> > > > > > > > dedicated sequencer with the MnM/MD
> > interface
> > > > > and full
> > > > > polyphonic
> > > > > > > > capabilities (well, and the ability to
> > record
> > > > > any incoming MIDI
> > > > > > > > information).
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Joe.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Amen. My god, what we could achieve with a
> > stand
> > > > > alone, 16-track,
> > > > > > >polyphonic, 64-
> > > > > > >step, step-sequence would be incredible.
> > > > > Elektron, PLEASE. PLEASE
> > > > > PLEASE
> > > > > > >PLEASE.
> > > > > > >There is an huge gap in the market for this
> > kind
> > > > > of tool.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Ideally, in addition to the specs above, it
> > would
> > > > > have:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >64 steps (4x16, like the mono)
> > > > > > >4 midi outs (to control samplers/synth
> > modules
> > > > > etc)
> > > > > > >2 midi ins (to allow a keyboard and a
> > knob-board
> > > > > or return from a
> > > > > synth)
> > > > > > >8 knobs for CC parameter control (say, 2
> > pages of
> > > > > parameters for
> > > > > each
> > > > > > >track)
> > > > > > >2 lfos for each track, sending midi
> > parameter
> > > > > data to the external
> > > > > synths
> > > > > > >polyphonic recording/sequencing on each
> > track
> > > > > > >MnM-style Arpeggiator, Slide etc
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >This would be an absolutely incredible
> > machine
> > > > > for writing music
> > > > > and for
> > > > > > >performing
> > > > > > >live. The vast majority of the hardware and
> > > > > software design is
> > > > > already
> > > > > > >complete, and
> > > > > > >thus it couldn't be that difficult to
> > produce.
> > > > > > >The reason I personally would like it is
> > that I
> > > > > find the MnM/MD
> > > > > perfect for
> > > > > > >writing,
> > > > > > >arranging and assembling, but can't control
> > > > > enough external
> > > > > > >synths/samplers, and
> > > > > > >not without routing midi via the computer.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Who else would like to see something like
> > this?
> > > > > What features
> > > > > should it
> > > > > > >include? If we
> > > > > > >shout loud enough...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >Angus.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
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Re: [elektron] Elektron stand-alone hardware sequencer

2004-01-16 by puretokyo2002

Yeah, I suggested the individual note offsets :) Reading your post, it occurred to me 
that maybe a FruityLoops style loop-based song construction, that allows for multiple 
loops to play at the same time? This allows for the base pattern to play, but overlaid 
parts can be added in and taken out without touching the basic loop, essentially by 
playing another pattern on top. Maybe if the Sequioa (Elektron owes me royalties if 
they use that one!) had the facility to play two 16-track sequences at any given time? 
So in a song arrangement, any two patterns can be playing at the same time... 

This would be a very interesting system and allow for some good complex song 
arrangements. Of course, each pattern would have its own 'kit' (of external midi 
channels) and so parts from different instruments could be laid in or taken out as the 
different patterns are used...

Any more ideas?

Angus.
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>   What would also be useful would be a way of chaining patterns into one 
> lump for the purpose of solos etc, for example a 'Pattern' mode for normal 
> pattern sequencing and a 'Lead' mode where you can chain few patterns which 
> always go together. These two types of pattern could then be used alongside 
> each other, with the 'Lead' patterns overlaid onto the 'Pattern' base song. 
> I've just read this through and it sounds confusing but hopefully you'll 
> understand what I mean!
>   I think that Eric's 'Super Sequencer' sounds great but I just don't think 
> it is right for Elektron and is probably getting too far from their designs 
> for the MD and MnM for them to be able to produce something so complicated 
> in within the forseeable future! I would like something of the same size as 
> the MD or baby Mono with nothing other than killer pattern sequencing, the 
> MnM arpeggiator, LFOs and the classic fast, easy elektron interface. USB 
> backup facilities would be nice though...
> 
> -Big Ed

Re: [elektron] Elektron stand-alone hardware sequencer

2004-01-16 by Eddie Higginson

Yeah, I was thinking that for arranging songs the display had the normal 
Elektron style interface but with a few rows of patterns to the side like 
this (it might come out looking a bit weird in text!):



       Pattern           Lead 1             Lead 2
001: B01  01  1 32 \ A01  01  1 64 \ D01  01  1 32
002: B01  01  1 32 \ -----------------   \ D01  01  1 32
003: B01  01  1 32 \ A01  01  1 64 \ D01  01  1 32
004: B01  01  1 32 \ ----------------    \ D01  01  1 32

  If you see what I mean. If the screen size was the same as MD or MnM only 
'pattern' or 'lead' could be viewed at once. This is smoewhat akin to the 
Cubase/Logic sequencing style only repesented alphanumerically rather than 
visually with bars and going vertically rather than horizontally.
  Maybe each pattern shopuld be for one track (one MIDI channel) only rather 
than contain all tracks as it does on the MnM and MD then there would have 
to be like 32 of these list displays as shown above side by side. This would 
make things more complicated in a way but get rid of the 'mute track' 
feature for patterns on the MnM which could get a bit inelegant at this sort 
of a scale!

-Big Ed

>From: "puretokyo2002" <puretokyo@...>
>Reply-To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
>To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [elektron] Elektron stand-alone hardware sequencer
>Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 05:14:07 -0000
>
>
>Yeah, I suggested the individual note offsets :) Reading your post, it 
>occurred to me
>that maybe a FruityLoops style loop-based song construction, that allows 
>for multiple
>loops to play at the same time? This allows for the base pattern to play, 
>but overlaid
>parts can be added in and taken out without touching the basic loop, 
>essentially by
>playing another pattern on top. Maybe if the Sequioa (Elektron owes me 
>royalties if
>they use that one!) had the facility to play two 16-track sequences at any 
>given time?
>So in a song arrangement, any two patterns can be playing at the same 
>time...
>
>This would be a very interesting system and allow for some good complex 
>song
>arrangements. Of course, each pattern would have its own 'kit' (of external 
>midi
>channels) and so parts from different instruments could be laid in or taken 
>out as the
>different patterns are used...
>
>Any more ideas?
>
>Angus.
>
>
>
> >   What would also be useful would be a way of chaining patterns into one
> > lump for the purpose of solos etc, for example a 'Pattern' mode for 
>normal
> > pattern sequencing and a 'Lead' mode where you can chain few patterns 
>which
> > always go together. These two types of pattern could then be used 
>alongside
> > each other, with the 'Lead' patterns overlaid onto the 'Pattern' base 
>song.
> > I've just read this through and it sounds confusing but hopefully you'll
> > understand what I mean!
> >   I think that Eric's 'Super Sequencer' sounds great but I just don't 
>think
> > it is right for Elektron and is probably getting too far from their 
>designs
> > for the MD and MnM for them to be able to produce something so 
>complicated
> > in within the forseeable future! I would like something of the same size 
>as
> > the MD or baby Mono with nothing other than killer pattern sequencing, 
>the
> > MnM arpeggiator, LFOs and the classic fast, easy elektron interface. USB
> > backup facilities would be nice though...
> >
> > -Big Ed
>
>

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Re: [elektron] Elektron stand-alone hardware sequencer

2004-01-16 by SiD LoHr

i dont really think to world needs yet another stand alone hardware 
sequencer tho.. theres already more than enuff to choose from.

but the world can definately use more sampling drum machines, because 
really all there is are the Akai MPC's Korg ES-1, Ensoniq asr-x, and 
the ancient and out-of-date sequential studio 440 & emu sp-12(00)...

i think a euro made sampling drum machine will sell alot better than 
another sequencer would.....

Re: [elektron] Elektron stand-alone hardware sequencer

2004-01-16 by privat_joy

I don't thinks so. Since samples are working very fine inside
computers and a lot of strong Programs like Dr008, Battery etc. can
load a lots of samples u only need to trigger them. In this case it is
also no problem to take a laptop fon stage. For me the age of
HW-Samplers is over.
A stand-alone hw sequencer from elektron sounds nice, but we allready
can use MM and MD for sequencing external stuff, and not so bad, i
tell you. 
If i have i wish free from elektron, i would wish an inovativ
EFX-Sequencer.., not only with two inputs for sure. A lots of crazy
EFX modulated via stepsequencing, parameterlocks and elektron
high-quality-dsp-programming would be a killer.
Well, just an idea.
Stefan


--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "SiD LoHr" <sp0ok_show@y...> wrote:
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> i dont really think to world needs yet another stand alone hardware 
> sequencer tho.. theres already more than enuff to choose from.
> 
> but the world can definately use more sampling drum machines, because 
> really all there is are the Akai MPC's Korg ES-1, Ensoniq asr-x, and 
> the ancient and out-of-date sequential studio 440 & emu sp-12(00)...
> 
> i think a euro made sampling drum machine will sell alot better than 
> another sequencer would.....

Re: [elektron] Elektron stand-alone hardware sequencer

2004-01-17 by puretokyo2002

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "SiD LoHr" <sp0ok_show@y...> wrote:
> i dont really think to world needs yet another stand alone hardware 
> sequencer tho.. theres already more than enuff to choose from.

Such as..? I'm wracking my brains here...

Re: [elektron] Elektron stand-alone hardware sequencer

2004-01-17 by Eddie Higginson

>From: "puretokyo2002" <puretokyo@...>
>Reply-To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
>To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [elektron] Elektron stand-alone hardware sequencer
>Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 00:38:22 -0000
>
>--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "SiD LoHr" <sp0ok_show@y...> wrote:
> > i dont really think to world needs yet another stand alone hardware
> > sequencer tho.. theres already more than enuff to choose from.
>
>Such as..? I'm wracking my brains here...
>
  I'll second that! I know this has already been mentioned on this thread, 
but what choice is there really? Yamaha? Well I own a qy700 myself, which, 
while being totally hardware-based in the studio (no goddamn computers in 
there!) is useful for backing up sysex and performing other non 
sequencing-related activities, is really far from ideal when it comes to 
sequencing for me. I have already tried and completely disliked the software 
sequencer route, in particular how slow it all is, and also by the fact that 
you need a noisy, unreliable, not-very-portable computer to run it on, as 
well as the fact that you have to have a degree in computing to be able to 
make a half decent music set-up that will do what the software and soundcard 
boxes said it would be able to without crashing every 20 minutes!
  With the demise of the Latronic Notron, there is really nothing simple but 
effective out there.
As I say there is always Yamaha stuff, but that all seems to rely on the 
fact that their internal tone generators will be your main instruments, and 
you still have to pay for the damn things whether you use them or not ('not' 
is usually the case, unless you like all your tunes to sound like karaoke 
backing tracks). The QY700, dubbed "the king of hardware sequencers" has 2, 
yes 2 whole MIDI outs for its 32 channels and while being able to support 32 
racks of non-loop based cubase-stle grid edit (but with no cut and pasting 
of sections!) supports only 16 channels of "pattern" tracks which you can 
arrange into a song, but which still rely on the slow painful task of grid 
or list editing. And this is the best we've got!
  The only other options are strange, large German efforts (mentioning no 
names here) which mostly have a bias towards CV/Gate (which may be fine if 
you have a studio full of vintage Moogs) and are at best cumbersome and 
pretty basic to say the least! What we need are LESS 'grooveboxes' ( a word 
which to me just says 'I'm a DJ but want a Studio-In-A-Box which is easy to 
use so I can make some 'grooves') and more serious bits of kit that have 
more than 1 MIDI in/out/thru and aren't designed as a Jack-of-all-Trades 
'Song Machine'!
  And this is 'plenty to choose from'! Let me guess, you use a software 
sequencer don't you?...

-Big Ed

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Re: [elektron] Elektron stand-alone hardware sequencer

2004-01-17 by zebraoner

i'd like to see knobs for each step. analog style, but tied into the 
computer and the gui and whatnot.

zebra



--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "privat_joy" <privat_joy@y...> 
wrote:
> I don't thinks so. Since samples are working very fine inside
> computers and a lot of strong Programs like Dr008, Battery etc. can
> load a lots of samples u only need to trigger them. In this case it 
is
> also no problem to take a laptop fon stage. For me the age of
> HW-Samplers is over.
> A stand-alone hw sequencer from elektron sounds nice, but we 
allready
> can use MM and MD for sequencing external stuff, and not so bad, i
> tell you. 
> If i have i wish free from elektron, i would wish an inovativ
> EFX-Sequencer.., not only with two inputs for sure. A lots of crazy
> EFX modulated via stepsequencing, parameterlocks and elektron
> high-quality-dsp-programming would be a killer.
> Well, just an idea.
> Stefan
> 
> 
> --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "SiD LoHr" <sp0ok_show@y...> 
wrote:
> > i dont really think to world needs yet another stand alone 
hardware 
> > sequencer tho.. theres already more than enuff to choose from.
> > 
> > but the world can definately use more sampling drum machines, 
because 
> > really all there is are the Akai MPC's Korg ES-1, Ensoniq asr-x, 
and 
> > the ancient and out-of-date sequential studio 440 & emu sp-12
(00)...
> > 
> > i think a euro made sampling drum machine will sell alot better 
than 
> > another sequencer would.....

Re: [elektron] Elektron stand-alone hardware sequencer

2004-01-17 by Gert van Santen

zebraoner wrote:
> i'd like to see knobs for each step. analog style, but tied into the
> computer and the gui and whatnot.

What about this?
 
http://www.five12.com/numerology.html

:-)

Gert
www.waveworld.tv

Re: [elektron] Elektron stand-alone hardware sequencer

2004-01-17 by not known

Gert van Santen <g.vansanten@...> wrote: 
---------------------------------
What about this?
 
http://www.five12.com/numerology.html

:-)
---------------------------------

to which I reply:

some people seem to not be catching on to the fact
that we are asking for a HARDWARE sequencer here,
don't they?

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Re: [elektron] Elektron stand-alone hardware sequencer

2004-01-17 by SiD LoHr

well...there the zeit, and atem sequencers by Infection link here: 
http://www.infectionmusic.co.uk/instrumentindex.html,

there is also the future retro mobius, spectral audio is working on 
one called the cyclus, theres a bunch of doepfer's, the quasimidi 
cyber-6, and ofcoarse all the japanese ones as you mentioned yamaha 
as well as roland, korg, akai. also theres one by alesis...

with all the choise's out there, i really cant see much of a market 
for another one...





--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "Eddie Higginson" 
<ehigginson@h...> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> >From: "puretokyo2002" <puretokyo@h...>
> >Reply-To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
> >To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: Re: [elektron] Elektron stand-alone hardware sequencer
> >Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 00:38:22 -0000
> >
> >--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "SiD LoHr" 
<sp0ok_show@y...> wrote:
> > > i dont really think to world needs yet another stand alone 
hardware
> > > sequencer tho.. theres already more than enuff to choose from.
> >
> >Such as..? I'm wracking my brains here...
> >
>   I'll second that! I know this has already been mentioned on this 
thread, 
> but what choice is there really? Yamaha? Well I own a qy700 myself, 
which, 
> while being totally hardware-based in the studio (no goddamn 
computers in 
> there!) is useful for backing up sysex and performing other non 
> sequencing-related activities, is really far from ideal when it 
comes to 
> sequencing for me. I have already tried and completely disliked the 
software 
> sequencer route, in particular how slow it all is, and also by the 
fact that 
> you need a noisy, unreliable, not-very-portable computer to run it 
on, as 
> well as the fact that you have to have a degree in computing to be 
able to 
> make a half decent music set-up that will do what the software and 
soundcard 
> boxes said it would be able to without crashing every 20 minutes!
>   With the demise of the Latronic Notron, there is really nothing 
simple but 
> effective out there.
> As I say there is always Yamaha stuff, but that all seems to rely 
on the 
> fact that their internal tone generators will be your main 
instruments, and 
> you still have to pay for the damn things whether you use them or 
not ('not' 
> is usually the case, unless you like all your tunes to sound like 
karaoke 
> backing tracks). The QY700, dubbed "the king of hardware 
sequencers" has 2, 
> yes 2 whole MIDI outs for its 32 channels and while being able to 
support 32 
> racks of non-loop based cubase-stle grid edit (but with no cut and 
pasting 
> of sections!) supports only 16 channels of "pattern" tracks which 
you can 
> arrange into a song, but which still rely on the slow painful task 
of grid 
> or list editing. And this is the best we've got!
>   The only other options are strange, large German efforts 
(mentioning no 
> names here) which mostly have a bias towards CV/Gate (which may be 
fine if 
> you have a studio full of vintage Moogs) and are at best cumbersome 
and 
> pretty basic to say the least! What we need are LESS 'grooveboxes' 
( a word 
> which to me just says 'I'm a DJ but want a Studio-In-A-Box which is 
easy to 
> use so I can make some 'grooves') and more serious bits of kit that 
have 
> more than 1 MIDI in/out/thru and aren't designed as a Jack-of-all-
Trades 
> 'Song Machine'!
>   And this is 'plenty to choose from'! Let me guess, you use a 
software 
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> sequencer don't you?...
> 
> -Big Ed
> 
> _________________________________________________________________
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Re: [elektron] Elektron stand-alone hardware sequencer

2004-01-17 by Eddie Higginson

These all look like very nice bits of kit but the most tracks offered at 
the moment by Infection is 4 and even with this small number the sequencer 
is the size of a 16 channel mixer!! What I (and I'm sure many others) want 
is a compact (MD-sized) yet powerful (32 track, 2 MIDI in, 4+MIDI out) 
digital MIDI only sequencer with NO tone generator (Yamaha), NO CV/Gate 
(Future Retro, Doepfer), NO sampler (Roland, Akai, Korg), professional piece 
of hardware. All of the alternatives at the moment see to have one or more 
of these features which you pay extra for yet will probably never use if you 
have a half-decent set-up, no analogue synths and want a better sampler than 
is available in the Akai MPC (possibly excluding the MPC 4000).
  I don't need to be able to alter every single parameter at once as is 
possible on the Infection instruments stuff, and usually prefer it if the 
control surface is smaller than a football pitch as well!
  Honestly, if there were ANY alternative, I would have found it before 
resigning myself to the fact that the QY700 was the best of a bad bunch and 
buying it!!

-Big Ed

>From: "SiD LoHr" <sp0ok_show@...>
>Reply-To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
>To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [elektron] Elektron stand-alone hardware sequencer
>Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 14:01:07 -0000
>
>
>well...there the zeit, and atem sequencers by Infection link here:
>http://www.infectionmusic.co.uk/instrumentindex.html,
>
>there is also the future retro mobius, spectral audio is working on
>one called the cyclus, theres a bunch of doepfer's, the quasimidi
>cyber-6, and ofcoarse all the japanese ones as you mentioned yamaha
>as well as roland, korg, akai. also theres one by alesis...
>
>with all the choise's out there, i really cant see much of a market
>for another one...
>
>
>
>
>
:>--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "Eddie Higginson"
><ehigginson@h...> wrote

> > >--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "SiD LoHr"
><sp0ok_show@y...> wrote:
> > > > i dont really think to world needs yet another stand alone
>hardware
> > > > sequencer tho.. theres already more than enuff to choose from.
> >
> >
> > >From: "puretokyo2002" <puretokyo@h...>
> > >Reply-To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
> > >To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
> > >Subject: Re: [elektron] Elektron stand-alone hardware sequencer
> > >Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 00:38:22 -0000

> > >Such as..? I'm wracking my brains here...

>--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "Eddie Higginson"
><ehigginson@h...> wrote:

> >   I'll second that! I know this has already been mentioned on this
>thread,
> > but what choice is there really? Yamaha? Well I own a qy700 myself,
>which,
> > while being totally hardware-based in the studio (no goddamn
>computers in
> > there!) is useful for backing up sysex and performing other non
> > sequencing-related activities, is really far from ideal when it
>comes to
> > sequencing for me. I have already tried and completely disliked the
>software
> > sequencer route, in particular how slow it all is, and also by the
>fact that
> > you need a noisy, unreliable, not-very-portable computer to run it
>on, as
> > well as the fact that you have to have a degree in computing to be
>able to
> > make a half decent music set-up that will do what the software and
>soundcard
> > boxes said it would be able to without crashing every 20 minutes!
> >   With the demise of the Latronic Notron, there is really nothing
>simple but
> > effective out there.
> > As I say there is always Yamaha stuff, but that all seems to rely
>on the
> > fact that their internal tone generators will be your main
>instruments, and
> > you still have to pay for the damn things whether you use them or
>not ('not'
> > is usually the case, unless you like all your tunes to sound like
>karaoke
> > backing tracks). The QY700, dubbed "the king of hardware
>sequencers" has 2,
> > yes 2 whole MIDI outs for its 32 channels and while being able to
>support 32
> > racks of non-loop based cubase-stle grid edit (but with no cut and
>pasting
> > of sections!) supports only 16 channels of "pattern" tracks which
>you can
> > arrange into a song, but which still rely on the slow painful task
>of grid
> > or list editing. And this is the best we've got!
> >   The only other options are strange, large German efforts
>(mentioning no
> > names here) which mostly have a bias towards CV/Gate (which may be
>fine if
> > you have a studio full of vintage Moogs) and are at best cumbersome
>and
> > pretty basic to say the least! What we need are LESS 'grooveboxes'
>( a word
> > which to me just says 'I'm a DJ but want a Studio-In-A-Box which is
>easy to
> > use so I can make some 'grooves') and more serious bits of kit that
>have
> > more than 1 MIDI in/out/thru and aren't designed as a Jack-of-all-
>Trades
> > 'Song Machine'!
> >   And this is 'plenty to choose from'! Let me guess, you use a
>software
> > sequencer don't you?...
> >
> > -Big Ed
> >
> > _________________________________________________________________
> > Stay in touch with absent friends - get MSN Messenger
> > http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger
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Re: [elektron] Elektron stand-alone hardware sequencer

2004-01-17 by john parker

what about an e-mu command station.  i bought one used and sold the sound
card.  it ends up costing only $250 or so.
Show quoted textHide quoted text
From: "Eddie Higginson" <ehigginson@...>
Reply-To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 15:18:11 +0000
To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [elektron] Elektron stand-alone hardware sequencer


  These all look like very nice bits of kit but the most tracks offered at
the moment by Infection is 4 and even with this small number the sequencer
is the size of a 16 channel mixer!! What I (and I'm sure many others) want
is a compact (MD-sized) yet powerful (32 track, 2 MIDI in, 4+MIDI out)
digital MIDI only sequencer with NO tone generator (Yamaha), NO CV/Gate
(Future Retro, Doepfer), NO sampler (Roland, Akai, Korg), professional piece
of hardware. All of the alternatives at the moment see to have one or more
of these features which you pay extra for yet will probably never use if you
have a half-decent set-up, no analogue synths and want a better sampler than
is available in the Akai MPC (possibly excluding the MPC 4000).
 I don't need to be able to alter every single parameter at once as is
possible on the Infection instruments stuff, and usually prefer it if the
control surface is smaller than a football pitch as well!
 Honestly, if there were ANY alternative, I would have found it before
resigning myself to the fact that the QY700 was the best of a bad bunch and
buying it!!

-Big Ed

>From: "SiD LoHr" <sp0ok_show@...>
>Reply-To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
>To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [elektron] Elektron stand-alone hardware sequencer
>Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 14:01:07 -0000
>
>
>well...there the zeit, and atem sequencers by Infection link here:
>http://www.infectionmusic.co.uk/instrumentindex.html,
>
>there is also the future retro mobius, spectral audio is working on
>one called the cyclus, theres a bunch of doepfer's, the quasimidi
>cyber-6, and ofcoarse all the japanese ones as you mentioned yamaha
>as well as roland, korg, akai. also theres one by alesis...
>
>with all the choise's out there, i really cant see much of a market
>for another one...
>
>
>
>
>
:>--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "Eddie Higginson"
><ehigginson@h...> wrote

> > >--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "SiD LoHr"
><sp0ok_show@y...> wrote:
> > > > i dont really think to world needs yet another stand alone
>hardware
> > > > sequencer tho.. theres already more than enuff to choose from.
> >
> >
> > >From: "puretokyo2002" <puretokyo@h...>
> > >Reply-To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
> > >To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
> > >Subject: Re: [elektron] Elektron stand-alone hardware sequencer
> > >Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 00:38:22 -0000

> > >Such as..? I'm wracking my brains here...

>--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "Eddie Higginson"
><ehigginson@h...> wrote:

> >   I'll second that! I know this has already been mentioned on this
>thread,
> > but what choice is there really? Yamaha? Well I own a qy700 myself,
>which,
> > while being totally hardware-based in the studio (no goddamn
>computers in
> > there!) is useful for backing up sysex and performing other non
> > sequencing-related activities, is really far from ideal when it
>comes to
> > sequencing for me. I have already tried and completely disliked the
>software
> > sequencer route, in particular how slow it all is, and also by the
>fact that
> > you need a noisy, unreliable, not-very-portable computer to run it
>on, as
> > well as the fact that you have to have a degree in computing to be
>able to
> > make a half decent music set-up that will do what the software and
>soundcard
> > boxes said it would be able to without crashing every 20 minutes!
> >   With the demise of the Latronic Notron, there is really nothing
>simple but
> > effective out there.
> > As I say there is always Yamaha stuff, but that all seems to rely
>on the
> > fact that their internal tone generators will be your main
>instruments, and
> > you still have to pay for the damn things whether you use them or
>not ('not'
> > is usually the case, unless you like all your tunes to sound like
>karaoke
> > backing tracks). The QY700, dubbed "the king of hardware
>sequencers" has 2,
> > yes 2 whole MIDI outs for its 32 channels and while being able to
>support 32
> > racks of non-loop based cubase-stle grid edit (but with no cut and
>pasting
> > of sections!) supports only 16 channels of "pattern" tracks which
>you can
> > arrange into a song, but which still rely on the slow painful task
>of grid
> > or list editing. And this is the best we've got!
> >   The only other options are strange, large German efforts
>(mentioning no
> > names here) which mostly have a bias towards CV/Gate (which may be
>fine if
> > you have a studio full of vintage Moogs) and are at best cumbersome
>and
> > pretty basic to say the least! What we need are LESS 'grooveboxes'
>( a word
> > which to me just says 'I'm a DJ but want a Studio-In-A-Box which is
>easy to
> > use so I can make some 'grooves') and more serious bits of kit that
>have
> > more than 1 MIDI in/out/thru and aren't designed as a Jack-of-all-
>Trades
> > 'Song Machine'!
> >   And this is 'plenty to choose from'! Let me guess, you use a
>software
> > sequencer don't you?...
> >
> > -Big Ed
> >
> > _________________________________________________________________
> > Stay in touch with absent friends - get MSN Messenger
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Re: [elektron] Elektron stand-alone hardware sequencer

2004-01-18 by zebraoner

i dont know about everyone else but i personally want cv/gate as well 
as midi. I play in both realms, analog and digital, so im looking 4 
something to do both well. I know there are already a gang of 
seqeuncers that do this, but they seem limited in one way or another 
or some have crap i wouldnt use, its true and all this crap does 
drive up the price. IM old school  i like turning knobs, one for each 
step preferablly.. also itd be cool if it had trig pads for each step 
as well, to turn on and off notes and whatnot. 
Then it could be more of a live instrument changing note pitches as 
you go along. a digital/analog hybrid (kinda like the new minimoog 
voyager). the best of the new and old. i could always use a midi/cv 
convertor, but thats more stuff to buy and therefore definitely not 
streamlined.. those are just my two cents on the topic as im looking 
for a sequencer to buy.

A straight sequencer only unit based off the same interface as the 
the MD & MnM would not only be easy to use, but compact too.
thats what everyones getting at... The sequencer to end all 
sequencers... 
 the problem is that there is soooooo many wack and pretty ok 
sequencers out there. There has to be simply becuase there are so 
many people out there wanting diffent things from their sequencing 
hardware. just look at all the different opinions out there on this 
subject. 

peace,
zebra








--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "Eddie Higginson" 
<ehigginson@h...> wrote:
>   These all look like very nice bits of kit but the most tracks 
offered at 
> the moment by Infection is 4 and even with this small number the 
sequencer 
> is the size of a 16 channel mixer!! What I (and I'm sure many 
others) want 
> is a compact (MD-sized) yet powerful (32 track, 2 MIDI in, 4+MIDI 
out) 
> digital MIDI only sequencer with NO tone generator (Yamaha), NO 
CV/Gate 
> (Future Retro, Doepfer), NO sampler (Roland, Akai, Korg), 
professional piece 
> of hardware. All of the alternatives at the moment see to have one 
or more 
> of these features which you pay extra for yet will probably never 
use if you 
> have a half-decent set-up, no analogue synths and want a better 
sampler than 
> is available in the Akai MPC (possibly excluding the MPC 4000).
>   I don't need to be able to alter every single parameter at once 
as is 
> possible on the Infection instruments stuff, and usually prefer it 
if the 
> control surface is smaller than a football pitch as well!
>   Honestly, if there were ANY alternative, I would have found it 
before 
> resigning myself to the fact that the QY700 was the best of a bad 
bunch and 
> buying it!!
> 
> -Big Ed
> 
> >From: "SiD LoHr" <sp0ok_show@y...>
> >Reply-To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
> >To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: Re: [elektron] Elektron stand-alone hardware sequencer
> >Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 14:01:07 -0000
> >
> >
> >well...there the zeit, and atem sequencers by Infection link here:
> >http://www.infectionmusic.co.uk/instrumentindex.html,
> >
> >there is also the future retro mobius, spectral audio is working on
> >one called the cyclus, theres a bunch of doepfer's, the quasimidi
> >cyber-6, and ofcoarse all the japanese ones as you mentioned yamaha
> >as well as roland, korg, akai. also theres one by alesis...
> >
> >with all the choise's out there, i really cant see much of a market
> >for another one...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> :>--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "Eddie Higginson"
> ><ehigginson@h...> wrote
> 
> > > >--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "SiD LoHr"
> ><sp0ok_show@y...> wrote:
> > > > > i dont really think to world needs yet another stand alone
> >hardware
> > > > > sequencer tho.. theres already more than enuff to choose 
from.
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "puretokyo2002" <puretokyo@h...>
> > > >Reply-To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
> > > >To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
> > > >Subject: Re: [elektron] Elektron stand-alone hardware sequencer
> > > >Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 00:38:22 -0000
> 
> > > >Such as..? I'm wracking my brains here...
> 
> >--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "Eddie Higginson"
> ><ehigginson@h...> wrote:
> 
> > >   I'll second that! I know this has already been mentioned on 
this
> >thread,
> > > but what choice is there really? Yamaha? Well I own a qy700 
myself,
> >which,
> > > while being totally hardware-based in the studio (no goddamn
> >computers in
> > > there!) is useful for backing up sysex and performing other non
> > > sequencing-related activities, is really far from ideal when it
> >comes to
> > > sequencing for me. I have already tried and completely disliked 
the
> >software
> > > sequencer route, in particular how slow it all is, and also by 
the
> >fact that
> > > you need a noisy, unreliable, not-very-portable computer to run 
it
> >on, as
> > > well as the fact that you have to have a degree in computing to 
be
> >able to
> > > make a half decent music set-up that will do what the software 
and
> >soundcard
> > > boxes said it would be able to without crashing every 20 
minutes!
> > >   With the demise of the Latronic Notron, there is really 
nothing
> >simple but
> > > effective out there.
> > > As I say there is always Yamaha stuff, but that all seems to 
rely
> >on the
> > > fact that their internal tone generators will be your main
> >instruments, and
> > > you still have to pay for the damn things whether you use them 
or
> >not ('not'
> > > is usually the case, unless you like all your tunes to sound 
like
> >karaoke
> > > backing tracks). The QY700, dubbed "the king of hardware
> >sequencers" has 2,
> > > yes 2 whole MIDI outs for its 32 channels and while being able 
to
> >support 32
> > > racks of non-loop based cubase-stle grid edit (but with no cut 
and
> >pasting
> > > of sections!) supports only 16 channels of "pattern" tracks 
which
> >you can
> > > arrange into a song, but which still rely on the slow painful 
task
> >of grid
> > > or list editing. And this is the best we've got!
> > >   The only other options are strange, large German efforts
> >(mentioning no
> > > names here) which mostly have a bias towards CV/Gate (which may 
be
> >fine if
> > > you have a studio full of vintage Moogs) and are at best 
cumbersome
> >and
> > > pretty basic to say the least! What we need are 
LESS 'grooveboxes'
> >( a word
> > > which to me just says 'I'm a DJ but want a Studio-In-A-Box 
which is
> >easy to
> > > use so I can make some 'grooves') and more serious bits of kit 
that
> >have
> > > more than 1 MIDI in/out/thru and aren't designed as a Jack-of-
all-
> >Trades
> > > 'Song Machine'!
> > >   And this is 'plenty to choose from'! Let me guess, you use a
> >software
> > > sequencer don't you?...
> > >
> > > -Big Ed
> > >
> > > 
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