Elektron Musical Instruments

These all look like very nice bits of kit but the most tracks offered at 
the moment by Infection is 4 and even with this small number the sequencer 
is the size of a 16 channel mixer!! What I (and I'm sure many others) want 
is a compact (MD-sized) yet powerful (32 track, 2 MIDI in, 4+MIDI out) 
digital MIDI only sequencer with NO tone generator (Yamaha), NO CV/Gate 
(Future Retro, Doepfer), NO sampler (Roland, Akai, Korg), professional piece 
of hardware. All of the alternatives at the moment see to have one or more 
of these features which you pay extra for yet will probably never use if you 
have a half-decent set-up, no analogue synths and want a better sampler than 
is available in the Akai MPC (possibly excluding the MPC 4000).
  I don't need to be able to alter every single parameter at once as is 
possible on the Infection instruments stuff, and usually prefer it if the 
control surface is smaller than a football pitch as well!
  Honestly, if there were ANY alternative, I would have found it before 
resigning myself to the fact that the QY700 was the best of a bad bunch and 
buying it!!

-Big Ed

>From: "SiD LoHr" <sp0ok_show@...>
>Reply-To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
>To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [elektron] Elektron stand-alone hardware sequencer
>Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 14:01:07 -0000
>
>
>well...there the zeit, and atem sequencers by Infection link here:
>http://www.infectionmusic.co.uk/instrumentindex.html,
>
>there is also the future retro mobius, spectral audio is working on
>one called the cyclus, theres a bunch of doepfer's, the quasimidi
>cyber-6, and ofcoarse all the japanese ones as you mentioned yamaha
>as well as roland, korg, akai. also theres one by alesis...
>
>with all the choise's out there, i really cant see much of a market
>for another one...
>
>
>
>
>
:>--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "Eddie Higginson"
><ehigginson@h...> wrote

> > >--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "SiD LoHr"
><sp0ok_show@y...> wrote:
> > > > i dont really think to world needs yet another stand alone
>hardware
> > > > sequencer tho.. theres already more than enuff to choose from.
> >
> >
> > >From: "puretokyo2002" <puretokyo@h...>
> > >Reply-To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
> > >To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
> > >Subject: Re: [elektron] Elektron stand-alone hardware sequencer
> > >Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 00:38:22 -0000

> > >Such as..? I'm wracking my brains here...

>--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "Eddie Higginson"
><ehigginson@h...> wrote:

> >   I'll second that! I know this has already been mentioned on this
>thread,
> > but what choice is there really? Yamaha? Well I own a qy700 myself,
>which,
> > while being totally hardware-based in the studio (no goddamn
>computers in
> > there!) is useful for backing up sysex and performing other non
> > sequencing-related activities, is really far from ideal when it
>comes to
> > sequencing for me. I have already tried and completely disliked the
>software
> > sequencer route, in particular how slow it all is, and also by the
>fact that
> > you need a noisy, unreliable, not-very-portable computer to run it
>on, as
> > well as the fact that you have to have a degree in computing to be
>able to
> > make a half decent music set-up that will do what the software and
>soundcard
> > boxes said it would be able to without crashing every 20 minutes!
> >   With the demise of the Latronic Notron, there is really nothing
>simple but
> > effective out there.
> > As I say there is always Yamaha stuff, but that all seems to rely
>on the
> > fact that their internal tone generators will be your main
>instruments, and
> > you still have to pay for the damn things whether you use them or
>not ('not'
> > is usually the case, unless you like all your tunes to sound like
>karaoke
> > backing tracks). The QY700, dubbed "the king of hardware
>sequencers" has 2,
> > yes 2 whole MIDI outs for its 32 channels and while being able to
>support 32
> > racks of non-loop based cubase-stle grid edit (but with no cut and
>pasting
> > of sections!) supports only 16 channels of "pattern" tracks which
>you can
> > arrange into a song, but which still rely on the slow painful task
>of grid
> > or list editing. And this is the best we've got!
> >   The only other options are strange, large German efforts
>(mentioning no
> > names here) which mostly have a bias towards CV/Gate (which may be
>fine if
> > you have a studio full of vintage Moogs) and are at best cumbersome
>and
> > pretty basic to say the least! What we need are LESS 'grooveboxes'
>( a word
> > which to me just says 'I'm a DJ but want a Studio-In-A-Box which is
>easy to
> > use so I can make some 'grooves') and more serious bits of kit that
>have
> > more than 1 MIDI in/out/thru and aren't designed as a Jack-of-all-
>Trades
> > 'Song Machine'!
> >   And this is 'plenty to choose from'! Let me guess, you use a
>software
> > sequencer don't you?...
> >
> > -Big Ed
> >
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