Elektron Musical Instruments

i dont know about everyone else but i personally want cv/gate as well 
as midi. I play in both realms, analog and digital, so im looking 4 
something to do both well. I know there are already a gang of 
seqeuncers that do this, but they seem limited in one way or another 
or some have crap i wouldnt use, its true and all this crap does 
drive up the price. IM old school  i like turning knobs, one for each 
step preferablly.. also itd be cool if it had trig pads for each step 
as well, to turn on and off notes and whatnot. 
Then it could be more of a live instrument changing note pitches as 
you go along. a digital/analog hybrid (kinda like the new minimoog 
voyager). the best of the new and old. i could always use a midi/cv 
convertor, but thats more stuff to buy and therefore definitely not 
streamlined.. those are just my two cents on the topic as im looking 
for a sequencer to buy.

A straight sequencer only unit based off the same interface as the 
the MD & MnM would not only be easy to use, but compact too.
thats what everyones getting at... The sequencer to end all 
sequencers... 
 the problem is that there is soooooo many wack and pretty ok 
sequencers out there. There has to be simply becuase there are so 
many people out there wanting diffent things from their sequencing 
hardware. just look at all the different opinions out there on this 
subject. 

peace,
zebra








--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "Eddie Higginson" 
<ehigginson@h...> wrote:
>   These all look like very nice bits of kit but the most tracks 
offered at 
> the moment by Infection is 4 and even with this small number the 
sequencer 
> is the size of a 16 channel mixer!! What I (and I'm sure many 
others) want 
> is a compact (MD-sized) yet powerful (32 track, 2 MIDI in, 4+MIDI 
out) 
> digital MIDI only sequencer with NO tone generator (Yamaha), NO 
CV/Gate 
> (Future Retro, Doepfer), NO sampler (Roland, Akai, Korg), 
professional piece 
> of hardware. All of the alternatives at the moment see to have one 
or more 
> of these features which you pay extra for yet will probably never 
use if you 
> have a half-decent set-up, no analogue synths and want a better 
sampler than 
> is available in the Akai MPC (possibly excluding the MPC 4000).
>   I don't need to be able to alter every single parameter at once 
as is 
> possible on the Infection instruments stuff, and usually prefer it 
if the 
> control surface is smaller than a football pitch as well!
>   Honestly, if there were ANY alternative, I would have found it 
before 
> resigning myself to the fact that the QY700 was the best of a bad 
bunch and 
> buying it!!
> 
> -Big Ed
> 
> >From: "SiD LoHr" <sp0ok_show@y...>
> >Reply-To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
> >To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: Re: [elektron] Elektron stand-alone hardware sequencer
> >Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 14:01:07 -0000
> >
> >
> >well...there the zeit, and atem sequencers by Infection link here:
> >http://www.infectionmusic.co.uk/instrumentindex.html,
> >
> >there is also the future retro mobius, spectral audio is working on
> >one called the cyclus, theres a bunch of doepfer's, the quasimidi
> >cyber-6, and ofcoarse all the japanese ones as you mentioned yamaha
> >as well as roland, korg, akai. also theres one by alesis...
> >
> >with all the choise's out there, i really cant see much of a market
> >for another one...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> :>--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "Eddie Higginson"
> ><ehigginson@h...> wrote
> 
> > > >--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "SiD LoHr"
> ><sp0ok_show@y...> wrote:
> > > > > i dont really think to world needs yet another stand alone
> >hardware
> > > > > sequencer tho.. theres already more than enuff to choose 
from.
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "puretokyo2002" <puretokyo@h...>
> > > >Reply-To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
> > > >To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
> > > >Subject: Re: [elektron] Elektron stand-alone hardware sequencer
> > > >Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 00:38:22 -0000
> 
> > > >Such as..? I'm wracking my brains here...
> 
> >--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "Eddie Higginson"
> ><ehigginson@h...> wrote:
> 
> > >   I'll second that! I know this has already been mentioned on 
this
> >thread,
> > > but what choice is there really? Yamaha? Well I own a qy700 
myself,
> >which,
> > > while being totally hardware-based in the studio (no goddamn
> >computers in
> > > there!) is useful for backing up sysex and performing other non
> > > sequencing-related activities, is really far from ideal when it
> >comes to
> > > sequencing for me. I have already tried and completely disliked 
the
> >software
> > > sequencer route, in particular how slow it all is, and also by 
the
> >fact that
> > > you need a noisy, unreliable, not-very-portable computer to run 
it
> >on, as
> > > well as the fact that you have to have a degree in computing to 
be
> >able to
> > > make a half decent music set-up that will do what the software 
and
> >soundcard
> > > boxes said it would be able to without crashing every 20 
minutes!
> > >   With the demise of the Latronic Notron, there is really 
nothing
> >simple but
> > > effective out there.
> > > As I say there is always Yamaha stuff, but that all seems to 
rely
> >on the
> > > fact that their internal tone generators will be your main
> >instruments, and
> > > you still have to pay for the damn things whether you use them 
or
> >not ('not'
> > > is usually the case, unless you like all your tunes to sound 
like
> >karaoke
> > > backing tracks). The QY700, dubbed "the king of hardware
> >sequencers" has 2,
> > > yes 2 whole MIDI outs for its 32 channels and while being able 
to
> >support 32
> > > racks of non-loop based cubase-stle grid edit (but with no cut 
and
> >pasting
> > > of sections!) supports only 16 channels of "pattern" tracks 
which
> >you can
> > > arrange into a song, but which still rely on the slow painful 
task
> >of grid
> > > or list editing. And this is the best we've got!
> > >   The only other options are strange, large German efforts
> >(mentioning no
> > > names here) which mostly have a bias towards CV/Gate (which may 
be
> >fine if
> > > you have a studio full of vintage Moogs) and are at best 
cumbersome
> >and
> > > pretty basic to say the least! What we need are 
LESS 'grooveboxes'
> >( a word
> > > which to me just says 'I'm a DJ but want a Studio-In-A-Box 
which is
> >easy to
> > > use so I can make some 'grooves') and more serious bits of kit 
that
> >have
> > > more than 1 MIDI in/out/thru and aren't designed as a Jack-of-
all-
> >Trades
> > > 'Song Machine'!
> > >   And this is 'plenty to choose from'! Let me guess, you use a
> >software
> > > sequencer don't you?...
> > >
> > > -Big Ed
> > >
> > > 
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