Elektron Musical Instruments

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> From: Joe <jmelnyk@...>
> Reply-To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 01:41:11 -0500
> To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [elektron] monomachine and MIDI
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> On Thu, Feb 19, 2004 at 09:31:29PM -0800, Gene Schwartz wrote:
>> Suppose I want to set up Track one as sequencing both a MM machine and
>> Virus
>> channel  1. I haven't found a setting on the Monomachine that tells it
>> not to
>> send out MIDI data when I turn the knobs. So, I first recorded a short
>> MIDI
>> sequence, then recorded a Monomachine sequence on the same track. Well
>> -
>> every time I edited the sound on the on the track one machine, it sent
>> out
>> controller values which changed the sound on the Virus.
> 
> I think the issue here is that your MnM track (internal track 1) is set to
> the same MIDI channel that you want the virus to be listening to. so the
> controller messages of the MnM are affecting the virus. look at the global
> menu and change one of them so that they don't overlap. for exmample, set
> the MnM to use channels 7 through 15 (in global->control->midi chanls)
> then set the MIDI sequencer to use channel 1 for track 1
> (in global->MIDI seq->MIDIseq set) and set your virus to receive on channel
> 1. now use MIDI track 1 to program the virus's sequence.
> 

ahhh - that makes perfect sense, doesn't it. I'll try that tonight, or this
weekend. I've got a Machinedrum coming today (supposedly), so I suspect I'll
be otherwise occupied ... Damn, I was staring at those menus over and over,
but somehow, I didn't think of that. I have not really 'assimilated' the
workings of this synth yet, I guess.

I still think that it would be nice (and most synths have this) to be able
to tell the Monomachine when you want it to send out controller information.
One of the nice things about working through a sequencer like logic, and a
multiport MIDI interface is that you generally don't have to think about
setting different MIDI channels like that.


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>> I  also  was  unsuccessful  in  recording  the  MIDI sequence into the
>> Monomachine
>> from  another  keyboard.  My  preferred  setup (usually) is to run the
>> whole
>> system through Logic, but I was running into all sorts of logistical
>> difficulties.
> 
> "logistic".... pun intended? :-)

uh, yeah, sure! :)
> 
>> If I sent note data through the keyboard to Logic, then
>> out to
>> both  the  Monomachine  and the Virus, it just doesn't work. The notes
>> received
>> by  the  Monomachine  trigger its track one machine, but don't seem to
>> record
>> the MIDI values. Is it even possible to record a MIDI track on the
>> Monomachine from a remote keyboard?
> 
> I don't know really. I have the KB version. but I would think that one
> of two cases would make it happen:
> 1) set the controller to the MnM's auto track channel, then enter MIDI mode,
> select the track to be recorded, press record+play (or just record
> for step mode) and do your thing
> 2) set the controller to the MIDI channel you wish to record to (i.e.
> the channel that the MnM's MIDI track is sequencing), enter MIDI
> mode, select the right track, hit the respective record and do your thing
> 
> the way that Daniel explained it when the MnM tabletop was released was that
> setting the controller to the MnM's auto track channel would have the
> same effect as using the built-in keyboard. so I would think that #1 would
> be what you want.
> 

Well - hooked up through a sequencer like this, you don't need to set the
controller to any specific channel - Logic rechannelizes the output. So, it
would then be sending the MIDI on the autochannel (channel 9, as I recall).
Now, I did this last night, but with both the internal and MIDi track set to
channel 1, so maybe that's an issue. But it was only the internal data that
was being recorded, despite having the Monomachine set to the MIDI track.
There is also the issue of hearing the Virus while doing this - in order for
this to happen, either the Monomachine would have to echo the data back to
Logic, and I would have to separate it and send it out to the Virus, or I
would need to send the note data to the Monomachine and the Virus
simultaneously. I'll try this again with different MIDI channels set - maybe
that was the issue.

ah - I had been away from doing music for awhile, and purchasing the
monomachine and machinedrum were a way of getting back. In a way, this 'MIDI
hell' brings back some fond memories.

> anyway, hopefully that helps... let us know what does it. I'm sure that
> Elektron implemented something to enable this recording.
> 
> Joe

It would be nice if the manual had a little bit more about getting this type
of scenario to work properly. I think that most of the problems would be
solved if I had a simple connection between the controller, the monomachine
and the virus, but I'd rather have the flexibility obtained with the
computer setup most of the time.

Thanks for your help,
Gene



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