Elektron Musical Instruments

I also put up a few...

http://home.comcast.net/~j3rk

I just got my Monomachine a couple of days ago, and am running into all
sorts of problems figuring out how to use it with other equipment. Don't get
me wrong - right now I'm thrilled with the overall philosophy and sound of
it, but partially because of that, I'm finding my problems very frustrating.

Tonight, I got my Virus C back from the repair shop, so I figured I'd set up
some MIDi tracks to sequence it along with the Monomachine. Please enlighten
me if some of these problems are due to user error, or better still,
beginner ignorance - I hope so.

Suppose I want to set up Track one as sequencing both a MM machine and Virus
channel 1. I haven't found a setting on the Monomachine that tells it not to
send out MIDI data when I turn the knobs. So, I first recorded a short MIDI
sequence, then recorded a Monomachine sequence on the same track. Well -
every time I edited the sound on the on the track one machine, it sent out
controller values which changed the sound on the Virus. Now, I suppose I
could turn off controller reception on the Virus, but then, if I recorded
controller data on the Monomachine, I wouldn't really want to turn off that
reception on the Virus...so the two synths are constantly fighting with one
another. 

I also was unsuccessful in recording the MIDI sequence into the Monomachine
from another keyboard. My preferred setup (usually) is to run the whole
system through Logic, but I was running into all sorts of logistical
difficulties. If I sent note data through the keyboard to Logic, then out to
both the Monomachine and the Virus, it just doesn't work. The notes received
by the Monomachine trigger its track one machine, but don't seem to record
the MIDI values. Is it even possible to record a MIDI track on the
Monomachine from a remote keyboard?

I'm not a beginner with MIDI systems by any means, but I've just had a
ridiculously frustrating evening trying to get this stuff to work. It seem
like it could have all worked beautifully if MIDI controller transmission
could be turned off for the Monomachine, and MIDI data could be set to only
be received on the MIDI track, if you were recording on it. I think I'm
babbling.

I'll try this some more for awhile, then go to sleep.

ronald, cool on that filtering info . . . had a kaoss 1 for a while 
and have seen some great noise sets played out on those filterbanks, 
wow!

hi, great lil demos, i love hearing the sounds people are making ... 
is the filterfbdelay a physical feedback loop from outs to ins or is 
it the feedbacky FM machine? or .. neither? :O

it's cool people are sharing full tracks too, weird i couldn't d/l 
from that marc's radio site it made me not want to listen haha, 
please share even lowbitrate mp3s if you are worried about piracy or 
something?

last night i tried buying a monomachine but i didn't have enough 
credit. perhaps after some bussiness procedures i'll soon be 
wollowing in the 6 ragged waves .       .  . . honestly all my 
friends are going to make fun of me for having such an expensive 
peice of kit after using gameboys and cheap korg shit exclusively 
over the past two years haha

<3
j.ordan

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "drj3rk" <dusttemp@h...> wrote:

> I also put up a few...
> 
> http://home.comcast.net/~j3rk

On Fri, Feb 20, 2004 at 06:18:20AM -0000, starpawz612 wrote:
>    honestly all my
>    friends are going to make fun of me for having such an expensive
>    peice of kit

until they hear it.... :-)

Joe

On Thu, Feb 19, 2004 at 09:31:29PM -0800, Gene Schwartz wrote:
>    Suppose I want to set up Track one as sequencing both a MM machine and
>    Virus
>    channel  1. I haven't found a setting on the Monomachine that tells it
>    not to
>    send out MIDI data when I turn the knobs. So, I first recorded a short
>    MIDI
>    sequence, then recorded a Monomachine sequence on the same track. Well
>    -
>    every time I edited the sound on the on the track one machine, it sent
>    out
>    controller values which changed the sound on the Virus.

I think the issue here is that your MnM track (internal track 1) is set to
the same MIDI channel that you want the virus to be listening to. so the
controller messages of the MnM are affecting the virus. look at the global
menu and change one of them so that they don't overlap. for exmample, set
the MnM to use channels 7 through 15 (in global->control->midi chanls)
then set the MIDI sequencer to use channel 1 for track 1
(in global->MIDI seq->MIDIseq set) and set your virus to receive on channel
1. now use MIDI track 1 to program the virus's sequence.


>    I  also  was  unsuccessful  in  recording  the  MIDI sequence into the
>    Monomachine
>    from  another  keyboard.  My  preferred  setup (usually) is to run the
>    whole
>    system through Logic, but I was running into all sorts of logistical
>    difficulties.

"logistic".... pun intended? :-)

>    If I sent note data through the keyboard to Logic, then
>    out to
>    both  the  Monomachine  and the Virus, it just doesn't work. The notes
>    received
>    by  the  Monomachine  trigger its track one machine, but don't seem to
>    record
>    the MIDI values. Is it even possible to record a MIDI track on the
>    Monomachine from a remote keyboard?

I don't know really. I have the KB version. but I would think that one
of two cases would make it happen:
1) set the controller to the MnM's auto track channel, then enter MIDI mode,
   select the track to be recorded, press record+play (or just record
   for step mode) and do your thing
2) set the controller to the MIDI channel you wish to record to (i.e.
   the channel that the MnM's MIDI track is sequencing), enter MIDI
   mode, select the right track, hit the respective record and do your thing

the way that Daniel explained it when the MnM tabletop was released was that
setting the controller to the MnM's auto track channel would have the
same effect as using the built-in keyboard. so I would think that #1 would
be what you want.

anyway, hopefully that helps... let us know what does it. I'm sure that
Elektron implemented something to enable this recording.

Joe

> 
> 
> From: Joe <jmelnyk@...>
> Reply-To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 01:41:11 -0500
> To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [elektron] monomachine and MIDI
> 
> 
> On Thu, Feb 19, 2004 at 09:31:29PM -0800, Gene Schwartz wrote:
>> Suppose I want to set up Track one as sequencing both a MM machine and
>> Virus
>> channel  1. I haven't found a setting on the Monomachine that tells it
>> not to
>> send out MIDI data when I turn the knobs. So, I first recorded a short
>> MIDI
>> sequence, then recorded a Monomachine sequence on the same track. Well
>> -
>> every time I edited the sound on the on the track one machine, it sent
>> out
>> controller values which changed the sound on the Virus.
> 
> I think the issue here is that your MnM track (internal track 1) is set to
> the same MIDI channel that you want the virus to be listening to. so the
> controller messages of the MnM are affecting the virus. look at the global
> menu and change one of them so that they don't overlap. for exmample, set
> the MnM to use channels 7 through 15 (in global->control->midi chanls)
> then set the MIDI sequencer to use channel 1 for track 1
> (in global->MIDI seq->MIDIseq set) and set your virus to receive on channel
> 1. now use MIDI track 1 to program the virus's sequence.
> 

ahhh - that makes perfect sense, doesn't it. I'll try that tonight, or this
weekend. I've got a Machinedrum coming today (supposedly), so I suspect I'll
be otherwise occupied ... Damn, I was staring at those menus over and over,
but somehow, I didn't think of that. I have not really 'assimilated' the
workings of this synth yet, I guess.

I still think that it would be nice (and most synths have this) to be able
to tell the Monomachine when you want it to send out controller information.
One of the nice things about working through a sequencer like logic, and a
multiport MIDI interface is that you generally don't have to think about
setting different MIDI channels like that.


> 
>> I  also  was  unsuccessful  in  recording  the  MIDI sequence into the
>> Monomachine
>> from  another  keyboard.  My  preferred  setup (usually) is to run the
>> whole
>> system through Logic, but I was running into all sorts of logistical
>> difficulties.
> 
> "logistic".... pun intended? :-)

uh, yeah, sure! :)
> 
>> If I sent note data through the keyboard to Logic, then
>> out to
>> both  the  Monomachine  and the Virus, it just doesn't work. The notes
>> received
>> by  the  Monomachine  trigger its track one machine, but don't seem to
>> record
>> the MIDI values. Is it even possible to record a MIDI track on the
>> Monomachine from a remote keyboard?
> 
> I don't know really. I have the KB version. but I would think that one
> of two cases would make it happen:
> 1) set the controller to the MnM's auto track channel, then enter MIDI mode,
> select the track to be recorded, press record+play (or just record
> for step mode) and do your thing
> 2) set the controller to the MIDI channel you wish to record to (i.e.
> the channel that the MnM's MIDI track is sequencing), enter MIDI
> mode, select the right track, hit the respective record and do your thing
> 
> the way that Daniel explained it when the MnM tabletop was released was that
> setting the controller to the MnM's auto track channel would have the
> same effect as using the built-in keyboard. so I would think that #1 would
> be what you want.
> 

Well - hooked up through a sequencer like this, you don't need to set the
controller to any specific channel - Logic rechannelizes the output. So, it
would then be sending the MIDI on the autochannel (channel 9, as I recall).
Now, I did this last night, but with both the internal and MIDi track set to
channel 1, so maybe that's an issue. But it was only the internal data that
was being recorded, despite having the Monomachine set to the MIDI track.
There is also the issue of hearing the Virus while doing this - in order for
this to happen, either the Monomachine would have to echo the data back to
Logic, and I would have to separate it and send it out to the Virus, or I
would need to send the note data to the Monomachine and the Virus
simultaneously. I'll try this again with different MIDI channels set - maybe
that was the issue.

ah - I had been away from doing music for awhile, and purchasing the
monomachine and machinedrum were a way of getting back. In a way, this 'MIDI
hell' brings back some fond memories.

> anyway, hopefully that helps... let us know what does it. I'm sure that
> Elektron implemented something to enable this recording.
> 
> Joe

It would be nice if the manual had a little bit more about getting this type
of scenario to work properly. I think that most of the problems would be
solved if I had a simple connection between the controller, the monomachine
and the virus, but I'd rather have the flexibility obtained with the
computer setup most of the time.

Thanks for your help,
Gene



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