Elektron Musical Instruments

A cursory search of the message archives did not reveal anything, so I 
am asking the list.

I have purchased an SFX-60, which I dearly love for its sound and 
portability.  I can get away from the computer over lunch and write on 
it, in my cube.  Very nice.

However, the functionality of the SFX-6 joystick seems to be part of the 
overall Monomachine experience.  At home, I hook up an Oxygen 8 to the 
MnM, and that works very well.  I would also like to hook up a MIDI 
joystick.  Could someone recommend a product that can replicate the 
functionality of the SFX-6 joystick?

/Scott

On Oct 25, 2004, at 10:30 AM, Scott Kellogg wrote:

> Could someone recommend a product that can replicate the
>  functionality of the SFX-6 joystick?

I'm pretty sure that the MicroKontrol works.

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Thank you for the recommendation.  However, this item (Korg 
MicroKontrol) appears to be a large control surface.  All I'm interested 
in is the joystick.  Preferably a little one, at that, rather than one 
of those ridiculous gaming joysticks.

/Scott

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Scott Kellogg wrote:
> Thank you for the recommendation.  However, this item (Korg
> MicroKontrol) appears to be a large control surface.  All I'm
> interested in is the joystick.  Preferably a little one, at that,
> rather than one of those ridiculous gaming joysticks.

Try the LV-1. It has a very little joystick. I don't know how to set it up,
though. I use the standard templates for Live.

http://www.faderfox.de/

Gert
www.waveworld.tv

This, too, is a nice little control surface, but it seems to offer more 
than just a joystick.  I wonder if there are any kits to contstruct a 
joystick.  Seems like they are hard to find as standalone items.

/Scott

Gert van Santen wrote:

> Scott Kellogg wrote:
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>>Thank you for the recommendation.  However, this item (Korg
>>MicroKontrol) appears to be a large control surface.  All I'm
>>interested in is the joystick.  Preferably a little one, at that,
>>rather than one of those ridiculous gaming joysticks.
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I also use the SFX60 and have search for some kind of  X-Y-Z 
controller I still have to make a choice but so far I found the 
following:

The Mercurial STC-1000 single touch controller (X-Y-Z) 
http://www.thinkmig.com/stc1000.html

From Analogue Solutions the DJMC Dual Joystick MIDI 
Controller (X-Y) 
http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~concuss/concussor/djmc.htm

And the last one is very expensive but major cool the Haken 
Audio Continuum Fingerboard (X-Y-Z)  
http://www.HakenAudio.com/Continuum/

-Armand

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<glaive@g...> wrote:
> A cursory search of the message archives did not reveal 
anything, so I 
> am asking the list.
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> I have purchased an SFX-60, which I dearly love for its sound 
and 
> portability.  I can get away from the computer over lunch and 
write on 
> it, in my cube.  Very nice.
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> However, the functionality of the SFX-6 joystick seems to be 
part of the 
> overall Monomachine experience.  At home, I hook up an 
Oxygen 8 to the 
> MnM, and that works very well.  I would also like to hook up a 
MIDI 
> joystick.  Could someone recommend a product that can 
replicate the 

> functionality of the SFX-6 joystick?
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> /Scott

Try http://www.doepfer.de/home_e.htm they also have components that you can build your own using their assembled boards and interface cabling, including small industrial joystick actuators, I think.

Scott Kellogg <glaive@...> wrote:This, too, is a nice little control surface, but it seems to offer more 
than just a joystick.  I wonder if there are any kits to contstruct a 
joystick.  Seems like they are hard to find as standalone items.

/Scott

Gert van Santen wrote:
> Scott Kellogg wrote:
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>>Thank you for the recommendation.  However, this item (Korg
>>MicroKontrol) appears to be a large control surface.  All I'm
>>interested in is the joystick.  Preferably a little one, at that,
>>rather than one of those ridiculous gaming joysticks.
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> though. I use the standard templates for Live.
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> The Mercurial STC-1000 single touch controller (X-Y-Z) 
> http://www.thinkmig.com/stc1000.html

This thing looks really cool.  I like the simplicity of its design.  Its 
multifunctionality looks intriguing, especially the ability to be a 
fingerpad for tapping in drum rhythms.  It's not too expensive, either.

/Scott

On Oct 25, 2004, at 10:48 AM, Scott Kellogg wrote:

> Thank you for the recommendation.  However, this item (Korg
>  MicroKontrol) appears to be a large control surface.  All I'm 
> interested
>  in is the joystick.  Preferably a little one, at that, rather than one
>  of those ridiculous gaming joysticks.

ahh I see... I didn't know you wanted just the joystick.  I always said 
they should have
made the SFX-60 just a couple inches wider and included the joystick 
(and possibly
a power supply).

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> ahh I see... I didn't know you wanted just the joystick.  I always said 
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> made the SFX-60 just a couple inches wider and included the joystick 
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I think this is a great idea.  However, it is possible that fewer people 
would purchase the SFX-6 if this were the case, since the joystick seems 
to be a major component of the unit.

/Scott

Here are some video clips to see the potential of this nifty 
controller:
http://www.tactex.com/stcvids/stcvids.htm

-Armand

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> fingerpad for tapping in drum rhythms.  It's not too expensive, 
either.
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> /Scott

diy with doepfer pocket controlllllll

				
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Bookmarked for later (i.e. not at work) viewing.  Thanks!

/Scott

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On Oct 25, 2004, at 11:25 AM, Scott Kellogg wrote:

>  I think this is a great idea.  However, it is possible that fewer 
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>  to be a major component of the unit.

very true.   I asked Elektron and they said that they simply hadn't 
thought of doing that;
they just wanted something in the form factor of the MD.  but they then 
cited the above
as a reason not to do it.

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> they just wanted something in the form factor of the MD.  but they then 
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I'm sure it was a bit of both.  There are usually numerous influences in 
important design decisions.

Fortunately, there seems to be a few aftermarket options that offer 
similar funtionality to the joystick.

/Scott

If you don't mind finding your own joystick mechanism and casing, you can  
make exactly what you want with the Doepfer pocket electronic kit.

http://www.doepfer.de/pe.htm

I think it is probably hard to find such a small controller because it is  
so inexpensive/tempting to add control elements once you have the basic  
MIDI interface electronics.

-Andr00

On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 09:53:16 -0500, Scott Kellogg <glaive@...>  
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> This, too, is a nice little control surface, but it seems to offer more
> than just a joystick. I wonder if there are any kits to contstruct a
> joystick. Seems like they are hard to find as standalone items.
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I guess there's no excuse not to know how to solder, now, is there?

/Scott

Andrew Denyes wrote:

> If you don't mind finding your own joystick mechanism and casing, you can  
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Could someone recommend a product that can replicate the 
> functionality of the SFX-6 joystick?

I think one of the best, and cheapest replacements for the missing 
joystick is a used ~$120 US Korg Kaoss Pad 1.  I think that the 
default CC/pitch mod settings on the SFX-6's joystick are the same as 
the KP-1's default output.  I haven't tried my KP with my MnM, since 
I have the SFX-6, but I imagine one of the best things about using it 
is the "remember mode" that keeps the output position of 
the "joystick" at the last remembered position.  This way, you can 
tweak away, and leave the beast cranking through sequences at 
that "sweet spot" while you twiddle other knobs.  The joystick always 
returns to zero - with the KP-1 it is optional whether or not you 
want it to.  The other thing I like about the KP-1 is that you can 
drop two fingers at different locations, hopping from one x-y 
position to the other, or the average of the two if both fingers are 
down at once.  This allows for discrete jumps in the joystick 
settings.

Given how impressed I am with the bugger... why has it been in the 
closet for over a year?  Hmmm... I guess it has to do with the fact 
that I bought it for live performances which I vowed never to do 
again shortly after a "rockstar" noise-head threw my gear across the 
stage at Phi-Phenomena "Never Forgets".  The KP-1 survived - but my 
desire to perform live again didn't.

-gerald

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> I think one of the best, and cheapest replacements for the missing
> joystick is a used ~$120 US Korg Kaoss Pad 1.

Excellent tip! Now I only need a MnM! ;-)

> Given how impressed I am with the bugger... why has it been in the
> closet for over a year?  Hmmm... I guess it has to do with the fact
> that I bought it for live performances which I vowed never to do
> again shortly after a "rockstar" noise-head threw my gear across the
> stage at Phi-Phenomena "Never Forgets".  The KP-1 survived - but my
> desire to perform live again didn't.

That sux, man.I can see why you feel that way. But it's not always like
that...

cheers,

Gert
www.waveworld.tv

> again shortly after a "rockstar" noise-head threw my gear across the 
> stage at Phi-Phenomena "Never Forgets".  The KP-1 survived - but my 
> desire to perform live again didn't.
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Ah, shucks.  Don't let the punters get you down.

I was thinking that the Kaoss pas would be a good controller.  It also 
happens to be an effect unit, which is good seeing as the MnM has 6 
outputs ...

/Scott

The Kaoss pad seems to send X-Y, while the MnM joystick sends X-Y-Z. 
What does the Z functionality do?

/Scott

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Just a wild guess... Pressure sensitivity? (z direction is down/up in 
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Regards
Nils


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> The Kaoss pad seems to send X-Y, while the MnM joystick sends X-Y-
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That's what I figured.  I was wondering how this is implemented in the 
MnM joystick ...

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