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While I know the MachineDrum is the most extensive hardware drum 
machine out there...I just have one question.  Can you make bass drums 
with long decays (like 808s)?  I believe you can right?

Yessssssssssss.
Long, ultralong, short, high, low, fuzzy, wild, weird, normal, abnormal,
cranked.... and so on.

Flo




taco6 wrote:
> While I know the MachineDrum is the most extensive hardware drum 
> machine out there...I just have one question.  Can you make bass drums 
> with long decays (like 808s)?  I believe you can right?
> 
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hi there,

i would say the MD is especially suited for 808 alike drums. They
sound exactely the same as an 808 in my ears. I would like to have
more 909 ish waveforms in it, but fortunately the md is a synth so
there is enough room for own sound design there.


greeting

Diachrona

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> 
> Yessssssssssss.
> Long, ultralong, short, high, low, fuzzy, wild, weird, normal, abnormal,
> cranked.... and so on.
> 
> Flo
> 
> 
> 
> 
> taco6 wrote:
> > While I know the MachineDrum is the most extensive hardware drum 
> > machine out there...I just have one question.  Can you make bass
drums 
> > with long decays (like 808s)?  I believe you can right?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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Cool...thanks.  Just wanted to make sure.

--- diachrona <diachrona@...> wrote:

> hi there,
> 
> i would say the MD is especially suited for 808
> alike drums. They
> sound exactely the same as an 808 in my ears. I
> would like to have
> more 909 ish waveforms in it, but fortunately the md
> is a synth so
> there is enough room for own sound design there.
> 
> 
> greeting
> 
> Diachrona
> 
> an amsterdam based technoid project.
>  
> 
> 
> 
> --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, Flo Zombie
> <newsgroups@z...> wrote:
> > 
> > Yessssssssssss.
> > Long, ultralong, short, high, low, fuzzy, wild,
> weird, normal, abnormal,
> > cranked.... and so on.
> > 
> > Flo
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > taco6 wrote:
> > > While I know the MachineDrum is the most
> extensive hardware drum 
> > > machine out there...I just have one question. 
> Can you make bass
> drums 
> > > with long decays (like 808s)?  I believe you can
> right?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >  
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >  
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > 
> > 
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On Mon, Aug 29, 2005 at 03:52:18PM -0700, John Gellings wrote:
> Cool...thanks.  Just wanted to make sure.

if you're actially serious about this question, you'll make
a point of spending some time with the instrument.  where do
you live?  is anyone on this page near you?

http://www.elektron.se/partners.php


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Nope...nobody has one by me.  I have the monomachine
and love it...so I trust there are plenty of sounds I
can use even if it was not capable of 808 style BDs. 
I was just wondering if I needed something like a
vermona or a jomox mbase...or if the MD covers these
bases.

--- niall munnelly <aleph@...> wrote:

> On Mon, Aug 29, 2005 at 03:52:18PM -0700, John
> Gellings wrote:
> > Cool...thanks.  Just wanted to make sure.
> 
> if you're actially serious about this question,
> you'll make
> a point of spending some time with the instrument. 
> where do
> you live?  is anyone on this page near you?
> 
> http://www.elektron.se/partners.php
> 
> 
> -- 
> yours,
> niall.
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>   .                 .
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> http://www.aleph-null.net/niall.gpg .. ..
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actually, dense analog bass kicks aren't quite the
MD's forte.  

It will do almost endless varieties of intersting,
sculptured kicks, with many textures and
characterisitcs.  Many (many many many) of which would
be considered very cutting edge, avante-garde.  

But if you are an analog kick fetishist...the jomox
mbase is an excellent kick module that would really
complement the MD.

I would think of the mbase as an extra "machine", and
sequence it with the MD, along with its internal
machines.  Its really easy, and they play well
together.

The MD does not do a convincing analog snare either. 
It will come close, but in 3.5 years of looking, no
cigar.  Again, many great varieties of snare, but not
the classic analog (although a combination of multiple
FM and E12 machines will get you fairly close)

The MD is a digital monster, and everything that that
entails, which is why it's so powerful.  But it is not
an analog drum machine.


--- John Gellings <taco6@...> wrote:

> Nope...nobody has one by me.  I have the monomachine
> and love it...so I trust there are plenty of sounds
> I
> can use even if it was not capable of 808 style BDs.
> 
> I was just wondering if I needed something like a
> vermona or a jomox mbase...or if the MD covers these
> bases.
> 
> --- niall munnelly <aleph@...> wrote:
> 
> > On Mon, Aug 29, 2005 at 03:52:18PM -0700, John
> > Gellings wrote:
> > > Cool...thanks.  Just wanted to make sure.
> > 
> > if you're actially serious about this question,
> > you'll make
> > a point of spending some time with the instrument.
> 
> > where do
> > you live?  is anyone on this page near you?
> > 
> > http://www.elektron.se/partners.php
> > 
> > 
> > -- 
> > yours,
> > niall.
> > .. .  .   .    .     .       .           .        
>  
> >   .                 .
> > aleph null.                             a simple
> > insinuation around silence.
> > http://syncretism.net
> > .. .. gpg public key -
> > http://www.aleph-null.net/niall.gpg .. ..
> > 
> 
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Ok, now I am scared.  I'm not looking for exact
duplicates of any past drum machines.  The 808 is the
only bass drum I can think of that has that long
decay.  The machinedrum is capable of this long
decay...even if it has its own sound correct?  

--- kenny brush <kenny_brush@...> wrote:

> actually, dense analog bass kicks aren't quite the
> MD's forte.  
> 
> It will do almost endless varieties of intersting,
> sculptured kicks, with many textures and
> characterisitcs.  Many (many many many) of which
> would
> be considered very cutting edge, avante-garde.  
> 
> But if you are an analog kick fetishist...the jomox
> mbase is an excellent kick module that would really
> complement the MD.
> 
> I would think of the mbase as an extra "machine",
> and
> sequence it with the MD, along with its internal
> machines.  Its really easy, and they play well
> together.
> 
> The MD does not do a convincing analog snare either.
> 
> It will come close, but in 3.5 years of looking, no
> cigar.  Again, many great varieties of snare, but
> not
> the classic analog (although a combination of
> multiple
> FM and E12 machines will get you fairly close)
> 
> The MD is a digital monster, and everything that
> that
> entails, which is why it's so powerful.  But it is
> not
> an analog drum machine.
> 
> 
> --- John Gellings <taco6@...> wrote:
> 
> > Nope...nobody has one by me.  I have the
> monomachine
> > and love it...so I trust there are plenty of
> sounds
> > I
> > can use even if it was not capable of 808 style
> BDs.
> > 
> > I was just wondering if I needed something like a
> > vermona or a jomox mbase...or if the MD covers
> these
> > bases.
> > 
> > --- niall munnelly <aleph@...> wrote:
> > 
> > > On Mon, Aug 29, 2005 at 03:52:18PM -0700, John
> > > Gellings wrote:
> > > > Cool...thanks.  Just wanted to make sure.
> > > 
> > > if you're actially serious about this question,
> > > you'll make
> > > a point of spending some time with the
> instrument.
> > 
> > > where do
> > > you live?  is anyone on this page near you?
> > > 
> > > http://www.elektron.se/partners.php
> > > 
> > > 
> > > -- 
> > > yours,
> > > niall.
> > > .. .  .   .    .     .       .           .      
>  
> >  
> > >   .                 .
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> > > insinuation around silence.
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> > > 
> > 
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Just listened to the demos again from the MD
website... this track has decent enough bass drums for
me.  

http://www.machinedrum.com/sound/Joeri-Twitter.mp3

--- John Gellings <taco6@...> wrote:

> Ok, now I am scared.  I'm not looking for exact
> duplicates of any past drum machines.  The 808 is
> the
> only bass drum I can think of that has that long
> decay.  The machinedrum is capable of this long
> decay...even if it has its own sound correct?  
> 
> --- kenny brush <kenny_brush@...> wrote:
> 
> > actually, dense analog bass kicks aren't quite the
> > MD's forte.  
> > 
> > It will do almost endless varieties of intersting,
> > sculptured kicks, with many textures and
> > characterisitcs.  Many (many many many) of which
> > would
> > be considered very cutting edge, avante-garde.  
> > 
> > But if you are an analog kick fetishist...the
> jomox
> > mbase is an excellent kick module that would
> really
> > complement the MD.
> > 
> > I would think of the mbase as an extra "machine",
> > and
> > sequence it with the MD, along with its internal
> > machines.  Its really easy, and they play well
> > together.
> > 
> > The MD does not do a convincing analog snare
> either.
> > 
> > It will come close, but in 3.5 years of looking,
> no
> > cigar.  Again, many great varieties of snare, but
> > not
> > the classic analog (although a combination of
> > multiple
> > FM and E12 machines will get you fairly close)
> > 
> > The MD is a digital monster, and everything that
> > that
> > entails, which is why it's so powerful.  But it is
> > not
> > an analog drum machine.
> > 
> > 
> > --- John Gellings <taco6@...> wrote:
> > 
> > > Nope...nobody has one by me.  I have the
> > monomachine
> > > and love it...so I trust there are plenty of
> > sounds
> > > I
> > > can use even if it was not capable of 808 style
> > BDs.
> > > 
> > > I was just wondering if I needed something like
> a
> > > vermona or a jomox mbase...or if the MD covers
> > these
> > > bases.
> > > 
> > > --- niall munnelly <aleph@...> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > On Mon, Aug 29, 2005 at 03:52:18PM -0700, John
> > > > Gellings wrote:
> > > > > Cool...thanks.  Just wanted to make sure.
> > > > 
> > > > if you're actially serious about this
> question,
> > > > you'll make
> > > > a point of spending some time with the
> > instrument.
> > > 
> > > > where do
> > > > you live?  is anyone on this page near you?
> > > > 
> > > > http://www.elektron.se/partners.php
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > -- 
> > > > yours,
> > > > niall.
> > > > .. .  .   .    .     .       .           .    
>  
> >  
> > >  
> > > >   .                 .
> > > > aleph null.                             a
> simple
> > > > insinuation around silence.
> > > > http://syncretism.net
> > > > .. .. gpg public key -
> > > > http://www.aleph-null.net/niall.gpg .. ..
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > 
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yeah it'll go on forever if you want
huge long bass drops that'll annhailate your subs
for sure, it does that great

--- John Gellings <taco6@...> wrote:

> Just listened to the demos again from the MD
> website... this track has decent enough bass drums
> for
> me.  
> 
> http://www.machinedrum.com/sound/Joeri-Twitter.mp3
> 
> --- John Gellings <taco6@...> wrote:
> 
> > Ok, now I am scared.  I'm not looking for exact
> > duplicates of any past drum machines.  The 808 is
> > the
> > only bass drum I can think of that has that long
> > decay.  The machinedrum is capable of this long
> > decay...even if it has its own sound correct?  
> > 
> > --- kenny brush <kenny_brush@...> wrote:
> > 
> > > actually, dense analog bass kicks aren't quite
> the
> > > MD's forte.  
> > > 
> > > It will do almost endless varieties of
> intersting,
> > > sculptured kicks, with many textures and
> > > characterisitcs.  Many (many many many) of which
> > > would
> > > be considered very cutting edge, avante-garde.  
> > > 
> > > But if you are an analog kick fetishist...the
> > jomox
> > > mbase is an excellent kick module that would
> > really
> > > complement the MD.
> > > 
> > > I would think of the mbase as an extra
> "machine",
> > > and
> > > sequence it with the MD, along with its internal
> > > machines.  Its really easy, and they play well
> > > together.
> > > 
> > > The MD does not do a convincing analog snare
> > either.
> > > 
> > > It will come close, but in 3.5 years of looking,
> > no
> > > cigar.  Again, many great varieties of snare,
> but
> > > not
> > > the classic analog (although a combination of
> > > multiple
> > > FM and E12 machines will get you fairly close)
> > > 
> > > The MD is a digital monster, and everything that
> > > that
> > > entails, which is why it's so powerful.  But it
> is
> > > not
> > > an analog drum machine.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- John Gellings <taco6@...> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Nope...nobody has one by me.  I have the
> > > monomachine
> > > > and love it...so I trust there are plenty of
> > > sounds
> > > > I
> > > > can use even if it was not capable of 808
> style
> > > BDs.
> > > > 
> > > > I was just wondering if I needed something
> like
> > a
> > > > vermona or a jomox mbase...or if the MD covers
> > > these
> > > > bases.
> > > > 
> > > > --- niall munnelly <aleph@...>
> wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > On Mon, Aug 29, 2005 at 03:52:18PM -0700,
> John
> > > > > Gellings wrote:
> > > > > > Cool...thanks.  Just wanted to make sure.
> > > > > 
> > > > > if you're actially serious about this
> > question,
> > > > > you'll make
> > > > > a point of spending some time with the
> > > instrument.
> > > > 
> > > > > where do
> > > > > you live?  is anyone on this page near you?
> > > > > 
> > > > > http://www.elektron.se/partners.php
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > -- 
> > > > > yours,
> > > > > niall.
> > > > > .. .  .   .    .     .       .           .  
>  
> >  
> > >  
> > > >  
> > > > >   .                 .
> > > > > aleph null.                             a
> > simple
> > > > > insinuation around silence.
> > > > > http://syncretism.net
> > > > > .. .. gpg public key -
> > > > > http://www.aleph-null.net/niall.gpg .. ..
> > > > > 
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On Mon, Aug 29, 2005 at 05:31:52PM -0700, John Gellings wrote:
> Ok, now I am scared.  I'm not looking for exact
> duplicates of any past drum machines.  The 808 is the
> only bass drum I can think of that has that long
> decay.  The machinedrum is capable of this long
> decay...even if it has its own sound correct?  

http://syncretism.net/snd/if_you_have_to_ask.aif

does the machinedrum sound like an analogue drum machine?
sure, in a vague, suggestive way.  then again, it doesn't,
at all.

can a machinedrum replace an analogue drum machine?
sure, but that's a reflection of your needs and ears as a
producer, not of the machinedrum.

if you need the real thing, get the real thing.  if you
think you want a machinedrum, do the sensible thing and find
a way to play with one in person before you drop a chunk of
change that large.

i will say that it's the best drum machine i've ever played,
period.

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john,

iirc, you're a hip hop guy, right?  the md kills for that
sound:

this stuff comes easily with the userwave.  i haven't even
tweaked the compressor {well, that might be obvious}:

http://syncretism.net/snd/hip_hop.mp3

...well, *i'd* rap over it ;)

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It has nothing to do with analog for me.  I just had a
simple question.  Can the kick drums get long decays? 
I'm not looking to emulate the 808... it was just the
only example of a long kick drum I could think of.  

--- niall munnelly <aleph@...> wrote:

> On Mon, Aug 29, 2005 at 05:31:52PM -0700, John
> Gellings wrote:
> > Ok, now I am scared.  I'm not looking for exact
> > duplicates of any past drum machines.  The 808 is
> the
> > only bass drum I can think of that has that long
> > decay.  The machinedrum is capable of this long
> > decay...even if it has its own sound correct?  
> 
> http://syncretism.net/snd/if_you_have_to_ask.aif
> 
> does the machinedrum sound like an analogue drum
> machine?
> sure, in a vague, suggestive way.  then again, it
> doesn't,
> at all.
> 
> can a machinedrum replace an analogue drum machine?
> sure, but that's a reflection of your needs and ears
> as a
> producer, not of the machinedrum.
> 
> if you need the real thing, get the real thing.  if
> you
> think you want a machinedrum, do the sensible thing
> and find
> a way to play with one in person before you drop a
> chunk of
> change that large.
> 
> i will say that it's the best drum machine i've ever
> played,
> period.
> 
> -- 
> yours,
> niall.
> .. .  .   .    .     .       .           .          
>   .                 .
> aleph null.                             a simple
> insinuation around silence.
> http://syncretism.net
> .. .. gpg public key -
> http://www.aleph-null.net/niall.gpg .. ..
> 



		
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>Can the kick drums get long decays? 

Yes. 

:)

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, John Gellings <taco6@y...> wrote:
> It has nothing to do with analog for me.  I just had a
> simple question.  Can the kick drums get long decays? 
> I'm not looking to emulate the 808... it was just the
> only example of a long kick drum I could think of.  

Huh... trx-bd will do about 25 sec decay at max setting. Enough? Then
there is also efm-bd for long decays. Also you can layer multiple
kicks if you want. It will sui you fine.

toni.

also, w/the GND kit you can do some great things for bass w/the sinus wave... as well as the 
EFM kit.  

steve

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "tahvenaine2002" <toni.ahvenainen@p...> wrote:

> --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, John Gellings <taco6@y...> wrote:
> > It has nothing to do with analog for me.  I just had a
> > simple question.  Can the kick drums get long decays? 
> > I'm not looking to emulate the 808... it was just the
> > only example of a long kick drum I could think of.  
> 
> Huh... trx-bd will do about 25 sec decay at max setting. Enough? Then
> there is also efm-bd for long decays. Also you can layer multiple
> kicks if you want. It will sui you fine.
> 
> toni.