Elektron Musical Instruments

kind of like a palm pilot?

http://www.minimusic.com/

never tried it, but have read decent reviews...

i think a focus on how the product sounds is a tad more important than its size in my mind, but then again, my idea of travelling is to the booze store and back...

most hardcore travelling producers ive met seem to enjoy running software on the old laptop...
i do agree size does matter, but i think the focus going forward is always innovation in how the music is created and in its engine behind that sound..... interface and sound engine in my mind seems to be key...

i do like your idea though, run with it....

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Sr. Minimo 
  To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 4:51 PM
  Subject: [elektron] Next Elektron Machine?


  Here's a suggestion to Elektron for their next music
  making  machine (I'll buy  the first one!!!!) 
  With somebody's post the other day about that program
  that turns the PSP into a drum machine i got to
  thinking of how much fun I used to have with my old
  roland PMA-5 a portable little work station that was
  great (exept for the ussual cheesy Roland sound) and
  how much i miss having a little portable synth to make
  music on . And this led me to: Why doesn't Elektron do
  a really small, dedicated, proffessional, truly
  portable instrument. A sort of PSP for music. There's
  really nothing like it out there, and all of us who
  travel to any extent (even if it is the subway) can
  appreciate having a truly portable music machine.
  Computers are a nice  option, but really too bulky and
  slow for most commuting, and even most airplanes. with
  technology the way it is today, it's really strange
  that nobody has put out another portable workstation.
  And with Elektron's venturing into the sampling world,
  it really opens up the door for them  to do it. 
  Come on Daniel!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


        
              
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Here's an idea for the next Elektron undertaking that would make them
money, and require no investment in hardware engineering.

Monomachine OS2.  Same hardware, but with a new set of synths.
1.  CZ-MnM   -  Phase distortion synthesis ala Casio CZ-101 family.
2.  Super+  -  Full-on additive synthesis.
3.  Vectrex -  a processor machine that records the freekin' joystick
movement!  Up down, and left-right vary the mix of four other synths.
4.  MonoWave - wave-station type morphing.  You could use the
arpeggiator to set up the wave-sequence (or um... something like that
- I don't have a wave-station).
5.  Granular pro - a granular synth.  Maybe like maelstrom?  Haven't
used that one.
6.  Granular processor. - another processor machine that takes grains
from another synth, or external input, and performs processing like
Audio-mulch's nebulizer.

6b.  (not a synth) - a polyphonic MIDI sequencer that allows layering
of notes.  Holding down a note shows a blinking yellow light that
tells which step the note-off comes on for that particular note.

So, you have pretty much the same general UI, just some new synths. 
And they could charge the typical arm and leg for it (providing me
with a discount for thinking it up, of course).  And if it were good
enough, people would need to buy another MnM to run both OS's at once!

-gerald

On Tue, Nov 29, 2005 at 02:54:05PM -0800, Gerald Stevens wrote:
> 3.  Vectrex -  a processor machine that records the freekin' joystick
> movement!  Up down, and left-right vary the mix of four other synths.

goal!

> 4.  MonoWave - wave-station type morphing.  You could use the
> arpeggiator to set up the wave-sequence (or um... something like that
> - I don't have a wave-station).

how different would this be from the current digipro
parameter-locked waveforms?  i can see some practical
distinctions, but they're not dramatically different; what
do you have in mind?

> 5.  Granular pro - a granular synth.  Maybe like maelstrom?  Haven't
> used that one.

mrkgnao.

> 6.  Granular processor. - another processor machine that takes grains
> from another synth, or external input, and performs processing like
> Audio-mulch's nebulizer.

or like waveboy's soniq demolition disk for ensoniq's
eps-16+.  i can think of the eight synthesis parameters
already.

> 6b.  (not a synth) - a polyphonic MIDI sequencer that allows layering
> of notes.  Holding down a note shows a blinking yellow light that
> tells which step the note-off comes on for that particular note.

for the love of pete, let's have some fx that don't require
a trigger to gate them.

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For the Monomachine I would just be happy with some new filters.  
Nothing fancy, just 12db and 18db filters.  Also, the ability to 
distribute polyphony at will would be sooooo nice.

niall munnelly wrote:

>On Tue, Nov 29, 2005 at 02:54:05PM -0800, Gerald Stevens wrote:
>  
>
>>3.  Vectrex -  a processor machine that records the freekin' joystick
>>movement!  Up down, and left-right vary the mix of four other synths.
>>    
>>
>
>goal!
>
>  
>
>>4.  MonoWave - wave-station type morphing.  You could use the
>>arpeggiator to set up the wave-sequence (or um... something like that
>>- I don't have a wave-station).
>>    
>>
>
>how different would this be from the current digipro
>parameter-locked waveforms?  i can see some practical
>distinctions, but they're not dramatically different; what
>do you have in mind?
>
>  
>
>>5.  Granular pro - a granular synth.  Maybe like maelstrom?  Haven't
>>used that one.
>>    
>>
>
>mrkgnao.
>
>  
>
>>6.  Granular processor. - another processor machine that takes grains
>>from another synth, or external input, and performs processing like
>>Audio-mulch's nebulizer.
>>    
>>
>
>or like waveboy's soniq demolition disk for ensoniq's
>eps-16+.  i can think of the eight synthesis parameters
>already.
>
>  
>
>>6b.  (not a synth) - a polyphonic MIDI sequencer that allows layering
>>of notes.  Holding down a note shows a blinking yellow light that
>>tells which step the note-off comes on for that particular note.
>>    
>>
>
>for the love of pete, let's have some fx that don't require
>a trigger to gate them.
>
>  
>

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http://www.myspace.com/sweettrip



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On 11/29/05 5:32 PM, "Jesse" wrote:

> kind of like a palm pilot?
> 
> http://www.minimusic.com/
> 

or

http://www.chocopoolp.com/index.php

Never mind what kind of product will be next, it will be nice :)

But please :

- A lot of memory (Ram/Rom/OS - we are soon 2006, not 1980 ^^!)
- Easy open hardware (one or two slot empty for futur (and more cheap than 
the UW one) hardware upgrade)
- USB [or] firewire [or] HD connection for easy save, easy organise, easy 
load

Et voil\ufffd :)

a+

Ono

me too. some new filters and some new FX.  also, it would be nice to apply LFO's to that 
sequence shift function.. 

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, roby <roby@s...> wrote:

>
> For the Monomachine I would just be happy with some new filters.  
> Nothing fancy, just 12db and 18db filters.  Also, the ability to 
> distribute polyphony at will would be sooooo nice.
> 
> niall munnelly wrote:
> 
> >On Tue, Nov 29, 2005 at 02:54:05PM -0800, Gerald Stevens wrote:
> >  
> >
> >>3.  Vectrex -  a processor machine that records the freekin' joystick
> >>movement!  Up down, and left-right vary the mix of four other synths.
> >>    
> >>
> >
> >goal!
> >
> >  
> >
> >>4.  MonoWave - wave-station type morphing.  You could use the
> >>arpeggiator to set up the wave-sequence (or um... something like that
> >>- I don't have a wave-station).
> >>    
> >>
> >
> >how different would this be from the current digipro
> >parameter-locked waveforms?  i can see some practical
> >distinctions, but they're not dramatically different; what
> >do you have in mind?
> >
> >  
> >
> >>5.  Granular pro - a granular synth.  Maybe like maelstrom?  Haven't
> >>used that one.
> >>    
> >>
> >
> >mrkgnao.
> >
> >  
> >
> >>6.  Granular processor. - another processor machine that takes grains
> >>from another synth, or external input, and performs processing like
> >>Audio-mulch's nebulizer.
> >>    
> >>
> >
> >or like waveboy's soniq demolition disk for ensoniq's
> >eps-16+.  i can think of the eight synthesis parameters
> >already.
> >
> >  
> >
> >>6b.  (not a synth) - a polyphonic MIDI sequencer that allows layering
> >>of notes.  Holding down a note shows a blinking yellow light that
> >>tells which step the note-off comes on for that particular note.
> >>    
> >>
> >
> >for the love of pete, let's have some fx that don't require
> >a trigger to gate them.
> >
> >  
> >
> 
> -- 
> .roby
> http://www.sweet-trip.net
> http://www.myspace.com/sweettrip
> 
> 
> 
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>

I'd easy go in a MDmkII if it was based around sampling (like the UW 
but with more memory, better load/save system, and with a sequencer 
that would accept external input. Analog filters would make it 
something else too... :) 

Something like a mix of UW technology with the MM sequencer... 


> But please :
> 
> - A lot of memory (Ram/Rom/OS - we are soon 2006, not 1980 ^^!)
> - Easy open hardware (one or two slot empty for futur (and more cheap 
than 
> the UW one) hardware upgrade)
> - USB [or] firewire [or] HD connection for easy save, easy organise, 
easy 
> load
>

A Machinedrum UW with the machinedrum sequencer and MPC-style pads.  Longer sampling time.  Multiple MIDI out jacks (at least three).  Multiple MIDI thrus.  Tape clock out.  Analog click out.  Ability to record incoming MIDI for controlling other synths.  Basically like a real workstation machinedrum.  Sort of like mixing all the versatility of a MPC with the machinedrum concept.  That would be amazing, and would oficially retire my MPC60II.







--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "pixfodase" <rupix@h...> wrote:
>
> 
> I'd easy go in a MDmkII if it was based around sampling (like the UW 
> but with more memory, better load/save system, and with a sequencer 
> that would accept external input. Analog filters would make it 
> something else too... :) 
> 
> Something like a mix of UW technology with the MM sequencer... 
> 
> 
> > But please :
> > 
> > - A lot of memory (Ram/Rom/OS - we are soon 2006, not 1980 ^^!)
> > - Easy open hardware (one or two slot empty for futur (and more cheap 
> than 
> > the UW one) hardware upgrade)
> > - USB [or] firewire [or] HD connection for easy save, easy organise, 
> easy 
> > load
> >
>



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I 2nd that motion, that thing would be a beast of a machine...
good ideas...

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: johan_et_pirlouit 
  To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 11:47 AM
  Subject: Re: [elektron] Next Elektron Machine?


  A Machinedrum UW with the machinedrum sequencer and MPC-style pads.  Longer sampling time.  Multiple MIDI out jacks (at least three).  Multiple MIDI thrus.  Tape clock out.  Analog click out.  Ability to record incoming MIDI for controlling other synths.  Basically like a real workstation machinedrum.  Sort of like mixing all the versatility of a MPC with the machinedrum concept.  That would be amazing, and would oficially retire my MPC60II.







  --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "pixfodase" <rupix@h...> wrote:
  >
  > 
  > I'd easy go in a MDmkII if it was based around sampling (like the UW 
  > but with more memory, better load/save system, and with a sequencer 
  > that would accept external input. Analog filters would make it 
  > something else too... :) 
  > 
  > Something like a mix of UW technology with the MM sequencer... 
  > 
  > 
  > > But please :
  > > 
  > > - A lot of memory (Ram/Rom/OS - we are soon 2006, not 1980 ^^!)
  > > - Easy open hardware (one or two slot empty for futur (and more cheap 
  > than 
  > > the UW one) hardware upgrade)
  > > - USB [or] firewire [or] HD connection for easy save, easy organise, 
  > easy 
  > > load
  > >
  >



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On Dec 1, 2005, at 11:47 AM, johan_et_pirlouit wrote:

> A Machinedrum UW with the machinedrum sequencer and MPC-style  
> pads.  Longer sampling time.  Multiple MIDI out jacks (at least  
> three).  Multiple MIDI thrus.  Tape clock out.  Analog click out.   
> Ability to record incoming MIDI for controlling other synths.   
> Basically like a real workstation machinedrum.  Sort of like mixing  
> all the versatility of a MPC with the machinedrum concept.  That  
> would be amazing, and would oficially retire my MPC60II.

hahahahahaha!  I wouldn't hold your breathe!  in case you haven't
noticed, Elektron are innovators not copycats!  :-)

Whatever dude, you don't think the 16 step drum sequencer has been
done before?  There is no other machine like the one I described.


--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Melnyk <jmelnyk@c...> wrote:

>
> On Dec 1, 2005, at 11:47 AM, johan_et_pirlouit wrote:
> 
> > A Machinedrum UW with the machinedrum sequencer and MPC-style  
> > pads.  Longer sampling time.  Multiple MIDI out jacks (at least  
> > three).  Multiple MIDI thrus.  Tape clock out.  Analog click out.   
> > Ability to record incoming MIDI for controlling other synths.   
> > Basically like a real workstation machinedrum.  Sort of like mixing  
> > all the versatility of a MPC with the machinedrum concept.  That  
> > would be amazing, and would oficially retire my MPC60II.
> 
> hahahahahaha!  I wouldn't hold your breathe!  in case you haven't
> noticed, Elektron are innovators not copycats!  :-)
>

On Dec 1, 2005, at 12:20 PM, johan_et_pirlouit wrote:

> Whatever dude, you don't think the 16 step drum sequencer has been
> done before?  There is no other machine like the one I described.

never said the 16 step seq hadn't been done before; just saying that
pretty much copying the MPC, adding a feature or two and
slapping "Elektron" on it is not really their thing.

On Thu, Dec 01, 2005 at 12:28:09PM -0500, Joseph Melnyk wrote:
> On Dec 1, 2005, at 12:20 PM, johan_et_pirlouit wrote:
> 
> > Whatever dude, you don't think the 16 step drum sequencer has been
> > done before?  There is no other machine like the one I described.
> 
> never said the 16 step seq hadn't been done before; just saying that
> pretty much copying the MPC, adding a feature or two and
> slapping "Elektron" on it is not really their thing.

sounds more like a linn/forat 9000 to me!

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I hear yah, no one likes a copy cat...

I think that innovation though comes in many forms, such as a new interface, or new sound engine etc... all of which they can package into a device which copies old devices to an extent....

I do not own a future retro revolution, but from what i hear the roundness of the design provides a innovative interface built on top of a fairly copy cat sound... 

I think a new design can go a long way in changing how a musician works...

Does anyone have any physical designs they would like to see implemented, like a giant square device, step sequencers on all 4 side and the cables come out the bottom, providng the ability to rotate the instrument... eh eh? any takers... ;)

-JC

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  From: Joseph Melnyk 
  To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 12:28 PM
  Subject: Re: [elektron] Next Elektron Machine?


  On Dec 1, 2005, at 12:20 PM, johan_et_pirlouit wrote:

  > Whatever dude, you don't think the 16 step drum sequencer has been
  > done before?  There is no other machine like the one I described.

  never said the 16 step seq hadn't been done before; just saying that
  pretty much copying the MPC, adding a feature or two and
  slapping "Elektron" on it is not really their thing.


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> > Whatever dude, you don't think the 16 step drum sequencer has been
> > done before?  There is no other machine like the one I described.
> 
> never said the 16 step seq hadn't been done before; just saying that
> pretty much copying the MPC, adding a feature or two and
> slapping "Elektron" on it is not really their thing.
>



So you don't think the Machinedrum is takes alot from the TR909 idea?
 It's basically like a very modernized 909, you know.  I think
Elektron wants to make practical items too, not just weird.  There's
nothing wrong with taking the two very best sequencing methods and
combining them.

The FR revolution is just weird.  I demoed one and it has such a huge
footprint.  Great sound, but you pick it up and think "where the hell
am I supposed to put this thing".  It's not rackmountable and takes up
too much space on a desk.  Randomizing function was fun, though.

On Dec 1, 2005, at 1:42 PM, johan_et_pirlouit wrote:

> So you don't think the Machinedrum is takes alot from the TR909 idea?
> It's basically like a very modernized 909, you know.

well yes.  but with the MD, they added so many features that the
comparison barely even fits anymore.  a x0x at heart, yes...  but
an Atari 2600's a computer at heart and I'm not comparing it to
my Powerbook :-)

it would be cool if they took the UW idea to a whole new
level.  I was just giving you a hard time for (in my mind)
basically saying "I want Elektron to make an MPC."  but
really, if they did, we know it would be way more and way
cooler than anything Akai would ever dream up and I'd
definitely be one of the first in line to grab it.  :-)

>   I think
> Elektron wants to make practical items too, not just weird.  There's
> nothing wrong with taking the two very best sequencing methods and
> combining them.

no there's not at all.  it would be great.

and yes, in my opinion Elektron does want to make practical
items and not just weird ones.  nothing they've made is weird
or impractical (maybe niche, but not all out weird).  but
everything they make is interesting and unique; they appear
to not make instruments simply for the sake of making money but
for the sake of creating something new and interesting.  so I'd
venture to guess that if they went the full-fledged sampler or MPC
route, it's because they have a totally unique spin on it.  and
such an item might make you not care about all of the
features you requested because of all of the cool ones that
you didn't think of.

> and yes, in my opinion Elektron does want to make practical
> items and not just weird ones.  nothing they've made is weird
> or impractical (maybe niche, but not all out weird).  but
> everything they make is interesting and unique; they appear
> to not make instruments simply for the sake of making money but
> for the sake of creating something new and interesting.  so I'd
> venture to guess that if they went the full-fledged sampler or MPC
> route, it's because they have a totally unique spin on it.  and
> such an item might make you not care about all of the
> features you requested because of all of the cool ones that
> you didn't think of.


Agreed, anything they make will of course be unique and have features
that will blow our minds.  I was serious about the multiple MIDI outs
and thrus,though.  I whish the Machinedrum could act as the master
sequencer in my studio, but it can't control all my other synths the
way my MPC60II does.   ...oh, and another wish for any new Elektron
product: sturdy knobs mounted to the case.