Elektron Musical Instruments

Hi Ben,

> > Also, I guess Joeri mentioned to you that this has a relatively high
> > noise floor, at least through headphones.
> That is a misunderstanding really - the noise floor is low, but the
> signals are defaulted as low, to leave headroom for excessive
> resonance
> and EQ-ing.

Well, right now there is still a bit of extra noise, but I've been in touch
with the guys and I've been given great (and difficult... sorry, I'm not
tech-y :-) information. It seems they're still optimizing things and that it
should make a difference in v1.0.

> email plus the distortion volume issue (and other things I've noticed)
> leave me to think that perhaps they allow too much room for effects
> and not enough for the standard sounds (and less-volume increasing
> effects).

They leave a huge amount of headroom for the resonance of the filter e.g.
That is correct. Usually, when a digital synth adds resonance, the level will
go down. Not so in the MD as they left enough headroom for it. You seem to
doubt this approach and so do I, but I still have to get more into it to see
whether this approach as more advantages. I can't tell yet. I also agree that
the distortion gets things too loud and I've reported it as well.

> I mean, I like the fact I
> can use the repeat trigger function to go so fast that the bass drum
> sounds like a synth but it doesn't have to be so much louder than the
> bass drum itself.

Agreed. And by the way: I LOVE that parameter! :-))) Never saw it on any
other synth.

> What I'm saying is that
> whichever of the two it's missing - bit or rate reduction, I really
> want to see that added.

Hey, that's a good idea!
I personally would like the filter to be the last thing in the chain, or in
best case I'd like to have the choice to put the filter before or after the
Sample Rate Reduction.

Cheers,
Joeri
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> I mean, I like the fact I
> can use the repeat trigger function to go so fast that the bass drum
> sounds like a synth but it doesn't have to be so much louder than the
> bass drum itself.

Agreed. And by the way: I LOVE that parameter! :-))) Never saw it on any
other synth.

And did you try to set the lfo on the retrig time ? That's definitely
one of the best sequencing effect I found in the MD !

Yo-

> And did you try to set the lfo on the retrig time ? That's definitely
> one of the best sequencing effect I found in the MD !
>

I didn't get to use the LFO yet. No time right now


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--- krupir@... wrote:
> And did you try to set the lfo on the retrig time ?
> That's definitely
> one of the best sequencing effect I found in the MD

YES! That is definitely one of my favorite features. 
For extra effect, I set another LFO to modulate the
decay.  It takes some timing, but I've managed to get
some really nice snare rushes out of the thing.


c.

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On Fri Jul 20 2001, Joeri Vankeirsbilck <joeri@...> wrote:

> They leave a huge amount of headroom for the resonance of the filter e.g.
> That is correct. Usually, when a digital synth adds resonance, the level will
> go down. 

This happens on digital synths too? I thought that happened mostly on
analogue synths. On the JV-1080 the resonance starts to scream really
loud (in a very ugly digital way) when you have high resonance
settings and starts to play aorund with the filter. On the FS1r it
works as on my analogue synths, the level of the oscillators gets
turned down in favour to the resonance.

> Not so in the MD as they left enough headroom for it. You seem to
> doubt this approach and so do I, but I still have to get more into
> it to see whether this approach as more advantages.

What would the advantage be? Killing your speakers?

> I personally would like the filter to be the last thing in the chain, or in
> best case I'd like to have the choice to put the filter before or after the
> Sample Rate Reduction.

As modular as possible! :)

/Janne

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                      medlem av trummaskins-maffian i GBG

> > I mean, I like the fact I
> > can use the repeat trigger function to go so fast that the bass 
drum
> > sounds like a synth but it doesn't have to be so much louder than 
the
> > bass drum itself.
> 
> Agreed. And by the way: I LOVE that parameter! :-))) Never saw it 
on any
> other synth.

This feature can be found on most samplers, as it is a quite standard 
loop function... :-) But the only other drum machines that has it, as 
far as I know, are the Yamaha RX5 and RX7. And those machines don't 
have the ability to change the loop time, only the release time.
 
Regards,
Nils

> This feature can be found on most samplers, as it is a quite standard
> loop function... :-)

Yeah, but it's definitely NOT as intuitive!!!!!!

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> > This feature can be found on most samplers, as it is a quite 
standard
> > loop function... :-)
> 
> Yeah, but it's definitely NOT as intuitive!!!!!!
> 
Agreed. It was not my point to fault the Machinedrum, I think it's an 
excellent and very cool feature. Very Bogdan Raczinsky-ish!!!

Regards,
Nils

By the way, you should try that "phaser"-trick that I mentioned in my 
previous message (#1501) - it's really cool!!!!

Regards,
Nils

A few posts ago the was the proposal of someone to make
different lists for the 2 elektron products.

Basically the machinedrum is not off topic.
I have one too now. And all I can say is: It rocks!

BUT: I think it would be a nice idea to make a own Machineddrum-group,
especially because there can be expected many many mails during
the next months that say "hmmm, does your knob make that thing blinkblink?"
follow up: "oh, ye, here it\ufffds the same"
follow up: "no, here everything\ufffds normal"
follow up: "yes, but it\ufffds just the case if...."

I wouldn\ufffdt be interested in that when I didn\ufffdt have a machinedrum,
but a SidStation.

Another idea would be to make a web-based board.
Ok....that\ufffds a matter of taste....


Splank!
Zombie

At 02:58 PM 7/20/01 +0000, nilsodegaard@... wrote:
>
>This feature can be found on most samplers, as it is a quite standard
>loop function... :-) But the only other drum machines that has it, as
>far as I know, are the Yamaha RX5 and RX7. And those machines don't
>have the ability to change the loop time, only the release time.

You can get very similar results using the Auto-Repeat function on vintage 
machines such as the SCI Studio 440 and the Linn 9000.  Of course, both of 
those are sampler-based drum machines, so perhaps that's kind of a grey 
area based on your criteria above.  ;)

         -c-


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