Elektron Musical Instruments

interesting thread.  I don't really having anything to add.  I just wanted to say so.  

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Dr. W. 
  To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 7:41 PM
  Subject: Re: OT[elektron] music and math


  >try thinking about this...math is an ideal model.  It can only
  >represent music to some degree of accuracy.  So, much of music
  >can be described with math, but there is more to it. :)
  >

  Totally... I think the more interesting question is how all that math or
  fequency addition and subtraction pulls at our emotions in a certain way.
  Like why does a minor scale sound spookier than a major scale?  And why does
  blues music use so many diminished chords?  The pure math aspect is just an
  outward appearance from a very left-brained lop sidedness.  From a whole
  brain perspective, math will never be the "end all, be all" tool for
  creating music, it just really helps you to structure everything.  Most of
  it really begins and ends in the heart, the mysterious seat of all our power
  as humans.  Thats why I tend to like eastern classical music more than
  western classical music, because I think at some point the math aspect sort
  of outstripped the emotional and spiritual element among the rennaisance
  composers.  Western classical music is very beautiful and massive like a
  statue, but it is just so much colder and more stiff than a Hindu Raga or
  some Noh play from Japan.  And especially the vocal stuff like opera - for
  me italian opera has nothing on sufi Qawwali music, or Tuvan throat singing.
  But this is just my opinion.


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Yup,

western notation developed over hundreds of years and every new development 
in notation most probbaly had a large effect on every new era of western 
classical music. now because those developments have been drilled into 
society for so long. even sitting behind our sequencers we are restrained by 
the same rules.

one of the most enlightening musical experences i've had in the past year 
has been messing around with metasynth (if you have a mac download the demo 
now) dealing with sound on such a low level gives me the same feeling as 
holding a distorted guitar against an amp.

/Steven#

PS: It's also always good to remember that scientificly, all electronic 
instruments are actually tuned wrongly.


>----- Original Message ----- From: Dr. W. To: 
>elektron-users@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 7:41 PM 
>Subject: Re: OT[elektron] music and math
>
>
> >try thinking about this...math is an ideal model. It can only >represent 
>music to some degree of accuracy. So, much of music >can be described with 
>math, but there is more to it. :) >
>
>Totally... I think the more interesting question is how all that math or 
>fequency addition and subtraction pulls at our emotions in a certain way. 
>Like why does a minor scale sound spookier than a major scale? And why does 
>blues music use so many diminished chords? The pure math aspect is just an 
>outward appearance from a very left-brained lop sidedness. From a whole 
>brain perspective, math will never be the "end all, be all" tool for 
>creating music, it just really helps you to structure everything. Most of 
>it really begins and ends in the heart, the mysterious seat of all our 
>power as humans. Thats why I tend to like eastern classical music more than 
>western classical music, because I think at some point the math aspect sort 
>of outstripped the emotional and spiritual element among the rennaisance 
>composers. Western classical music is very beautiful and massive like a 
>statue, but it is just so much colder and more stiff than a Hindu Raga or 
>some Noh play from Japan. And especially the vocal stuff like opera - for 
>me italian opera has nothing on sufi Qawwali music, or Tuvan throat 
>singing. But this is just my opinion.
>



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--- In elektron-users@y..., "Dr. W." <rajajuju@m...> wrote:
> >try thinking about this...math is an ideal model.  It can only
> >represent music to some degree of accuracy.  So, much of music
> >can be described with math, but there is more to it. :)

I was not equating music to math.  I was correlating the phenomena of
human math and music.  Math is a human perception of
reality/physics/economics and music exists because of our perception
of sound.  I think if dogs could make music parts of it would not be
audible.  

I'd like to add that I think traditional Korean music is lovely.  If
you haven't heard it, check it out.  

Thanks for the book recomendations.  I would suggest any 'experimental
phonetics' book and any 'language and the mind' book.

I realized my iBook needed a new desktop image this morning, so I 
whipped up a little collage of the Sidstation:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/elektron-users/files/sid.jpg

It's nothing fancy, but I like it.

c.

Nice photography.  What camera do you use?  It was a little dizzying
but I'm also severely hung over.

--- In elektron-users@y..., Corey Appleby <digitalwank@m...> wrote:

> 
> I realized my iBook needed a new desktop image this morning, so I 
> whipped up a little collage of the Sidstation:
> 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/elektron-users/files/sid.jpg
> 
> It's nothing fancy, but I like it.
> 
> c.

>try thinking about this...math is an ideal model.  It can only
>represent music to some degree of accuracy.  So, much of music
>can be described with math, but there is more to it. :)
>

Totally... I think the more interesting question is how all that math or
fequency addition and subtraction pulls at our emotions in a certain way.
Like why does a minor scale sound spookier than a major scale?  And why does
blues music use so many diminished chords?  The pure math aspect is just an
outward appearance from a very left-brained lop sidedness.  From a whole
brain perspective, math will never be the "end all, be all" tool for
creating music, it just really helps you to structure everything.  Most of
it really begins and ends in the heart, the mysterious seat of all our power
as humans.  Thats why I tend to like eastern classical music more than
western classical music, because I think at some point the math aspect sort
of outstripped the emotional and spiritual element among the rennaisance
composers.  Western classical music is very beautiful and massive like a
statue, but it is just so much colder and more stiff than a Hindu Raga or
some Noh play from Japan.  And especially the vocal stuff like opera - for
me italian opera has nothing on sufi Qawwali music, or Tuvan throat singing.
But this is just my opinion.