Elektron Musical Instruments

on 24/1/03 3:19 am, analogback <gehayman@...> at
gehayman@... wrote:

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "james.d.stark" <james@j...>
wrote:
> 

> 
> - Max 32 songs, max 64? kits, max patterns?
> Can these be backed up and saved somehow, and loaded back in? I
have an electribes ES-1 which I've already filled up over 2 machines
worth of patterns. I can do this because it can load pattern/song
data from memory card.

it can can upload/dload sysex data so no worries there

> - Any shaker/tamb/organic sounds?
> I know this is a digital synth machine, but are there any good
shaker or tamborine sounds? I use those quite regularly and it would
be a shame to have to use outboard gear for them. Also good non-
digital sounding snares are hard to come by. I know it wasn't
designed to make these sounds, but maybe the physical modeling or
SP12 synth has some?

I don't look for this type of sound so I'm not the best person to answer
this but there are MANY differing paramaters across all the synth
'machines'
> that will no doubt satisfy your request...

> -Effects
> what the hell is a 1-band eq, is it parametric? If so why not call
it that?

this has been answered by someone else already a few days ago

I've heard the reverb is poor quality, i hope this isn't
true. One of the reasons I don't like my electribes because the
reverb effect is the absolute worst i've ever used, and I've used a
lot. 

All in one solutions are not the way forward. A decent reverb is a decent
reverb - not a drum machine. Besides the reverb quality adds to the
distinctiveness of this machine.
I bought mine because I wanted a unique drum machine, something that was not
available to absolutely everyone semi interested in making a noise like the
electribes!
What you are buying here is a modern day classic that won't flood the market
and be heard on every demo cd that gets sent out. Buy a decent reverb.... It
seems everyone wants something for nothing.... ask yourself are you shopping
for a drum machine or an fx unit?
If you limit yourself to one or two bits of kit then you are putting certain
disadvantages in your creative equation. If you try and get things done all
at once in one bit of kit, then there are big trade offs.

> 
> -Illumination
> In the past the displays appear orange. Now on the elektron the
display appears to be red. I have to say I really like the red, much
much better. Is this on newer models only, or just the way they show
up differently in photographs?

They are red red red!
> 
> I think thats all my concerns for now. Unless someone knows where
i can get a good deal on a used one!
> 
> TRY SONICSTATE CLASSIFIEDS theres some in U.S



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"rob.euroh1@..." <rob.euroh1@...> wrote: 

>All in one solutions are not the way forward. A decent >reverb is a decent
>reverb - not a drum machine. Besides the reverb quality >adds to the
>distinctiveness of this machine.
>I bought mine because I wanted a unique drum machine, >something that was not
>available to absolutely everyone semi interested in making >a noise like the
>electribes!
>What you are buying here is a modern day classic that won't >flood the market
>and be heard on every demo cd that gets sent out. Buy a >decent reverb.... It
>seems everyone wants something for nothing.... ask yourself >are you shopping
>for a drum machine or an fx unit?
>If you limit yourself to one or two bits of kit then you >are putting certain
>disadvantages in your creative equation. If you try and get >things done all
>at once in one bit of kit, then there are big trade offs.

I have to disagree with you here. You can have high quality reverbs in units that aren't just fx boxes, particularly in this day in age. For instance my Kurzweil K2500 has KDFX, which reverbs and other effects are better quality than any of my outboard gear. And I do have good quality outboard gear. The great thing about having FX built in, is you can store all the effect settings galore in your pattern, song, or what not so its not a mess to keep track of your settings and wiring. You also have more flexibility to wire the fx anyway you want, without the hastle of using "real" cables. Again all stored in the song, you just load it and your ready to work again.

I don't want something for nothing. In fact I'd be willing to pay up to $500 for a high quality multi-channel fx processor upgrade for the machinedrum, just like I did with KDFX for my kurzweil.

 


james.d.stark
http://jamesdstark.com

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What I'd like to know is: Who said the reverv on the
MD sucks? I actually like the reverv quite a lot. You
can cross modulate with the echo and get really
interesting rythmic stuff, it can add a lot of snap to
snares and claps, good rumble to bass drums and great
decaying sustained reverb to congas and stuff  . What
the hell more do you want? What the MD reverv IS, is
some what metallic if you don't make the highs more
subtle, but even that works to your advantage when you
want. Just buy the damned thing. You won't regret it.

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I have to disagree with you here. You can have high quality reverbs in units
that aren't just fx boxes, particularly in this day in age. For instance my
Kurzweil K2500 has KDFX, which reverbs and other effects are better quality
than any of my outboard gear. And I do have good quality outboard gear. The
great thing about having FX built in, is you can store all the effect
settings galore in your pattern, song, or what not so its not a mess to keep
track of your settings and wiring. You also have more flexibility to wire
the fx anyway you want, without the hastle of using "real" cables. Again all
stored in the song, you just load it and your ready to work again.

I don't want something for nothing. In fact I'd be willing to pay up to $500
for a high quality multi-channel fx processor upgrade for the machinedrum,
just like I did with KDFX for my kurzweil.


well James, maybe I didn't articulate my point accurately enough. I refer to
the whole 'groovebox' issue. A Kurzweil is off course a pro bit of kit and
therefore not included in this 'gripe' of mine!! No offence meant!



Rob


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> well James, maybe I didn't articulate my point accurately enough. I
refer to
> the whole 'groovebox' issue. A Kurzweil is off course a pro bit of
kit and
> therefore not included in this 'gripe' of mine!! No offence meant!
> 
> 
> 
> Rob

I don't think elektron would like if you refered to the Machinedrum as
a groovebox.  They didn't intend to make a groove box.  Ask them
yourself.  This is a high quality drum machine.  I would say it's in a
world of it's own.  You can relate it to something like the rack attack.

on 26/1/03 1:51 pm, endlessnessisticman <endlessnessisticman@...> at
endlessnessisticman@... wrote:




I don't think elektron would like if you refered to the Machinedrum as
a groovebox.  They didn't intend to make a groove box.  Ask them
yourself.  This is a high quality drum machine.  I would say it's in a
world of it's own.  You can relate it to something like the rack attack.


I never said the MD was a Groovebox.
Did you not READ my reply?
My whole point is that worrying about the reverb quality in the MD to me is
simply missing the main  objective of owning such a PRO END DRUM MACHINE.
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Agreed.;)

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<rob.euroh1@v...> wrote:
> on 26/1/03 1:51 pm, endlessnessisticman <endlessnessisticman@y...> at
> endlessnessisticman@y... wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I don't think elektron would like if you refered to the Machinedrum as
> a groovebox.  They didn't intend to make a groove box.  Ask them
> yourself.  This is a high quality drum machine.  I would say it's in a
> world of it's own.  You can relate it to something like the rack attack.
> 
> 
> I never said the MD was a Groovebox.
> Did you not READ my reply?
> My whole point is that worrying about the reverb quality in the MD
to me is
> simply missing the main  objective of owning such a PRO END DRUM
MACHINE.

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On Fri, Jan 24, 2003 at 02:11:29PM -0800, james.d.stark wrote:
> 
>  "rob.euroh1@..." <rob.euroh1@...> wrote: 
> 
> >All in one solutions are not the way forward. A decent >reverb is a decent
> >reverb - not a drum machine. Besides the reverb quality >adds to the
> >distinctiveness of this machine.
> >I bought mine because I wanted a unique drum machine, >something that was not
> >available to absolutely everyone semi interested in making >a noise like the
> >electribes!
> >What you are buying here is a modern day classic that won't >flood the market
> >and be heard on every demo cd that gets sent out. Buy a >decent reverb.... It
> >seems everyone wants something for nothing.... ask yourself >are you shopping
> >for a drum machine or an fx unit?
> >If you limit yourself to one or two bits of kit then you >are putting certain
> >disadvantages in your creative equation. If you try and get >things done all
> >at once in one bit of kit, then there are big trade offs.
> 
> I have to disagree with you here. You can have high quality reverbs in units that aren't just fx boxes, particularly in this day in age. For instance my Kurzweil K2500 has KDFX, which reverbs and other effects are better quality than any of my outboard gear. And I do have good quality outboard gear. The great thing about having FX built in, is you can store all the effect settings galore in your pattern, song, or what not so its not a mess to keep track of your settings and wiring. You also have more flexibility to wire the fx anyway you want, without the hastle of using "real" cables. Again all stored in the song, you just load it and your ready to work again.


I think the reverbs is pretty good, but at the same time,
there's only the single reverb unit.  with 16 voices, I sometimes have
multiple tracks I wish to send to different reverbs.
e.g. I like to send my kick, hats and snares to separate
reverbs.  that's why I lurv the MD's ext. outputs.  
(I dig the ASR-X's reverbs!  I also have an old-school
spring reverb...)  

same thing goes for the dynamics, I like to using my
external compressor along with the built-in one.



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