Elektron Musical Instruments

I did post some suggestion about OS improvement re: a time offset
parameter per machine, but it does not seem to be of any kind of
interest for you guys ? 

I have emailed Elektron with the same request but I would have thought
you would give me more insights as to whether it'd be a useful feature.
I personally think it'd be incredibly useful...

or are you just snobbish and having a go at me ?

Olivier

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Giovedì, 23 gen 2003, alle 15:55 Europe/Rome, Olivier ha scritto:

> I did post some suggestion about OS improvement re: a time offset
> parameter per machine, but it does not seem to be of any kind of
> interest for you guys ?
>

I don't like the feature you're asking for.
But I'd like to be able to "zoom" into the patterns, increasing the 
sequencer resolution; that's something I could do on the quasimidi 
Sirius.
I don't like much the "scale setup".

I'd also like to have multiple compressors on the individual outs.

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, Federico Ciapi 
<federico.ciapi@t...> wrote:

> I don't like the feature you're asking for.
> But I'd like to be able to "zoom" into the patterns, increasing the 
> sequencer resolution; that's something I could do on the quasimidi 
> Sirius.
> I don't like much the "scale setup".
> 
> I'd also like to have multiple compressors on the individual outs.

  Sorry to break it to you, but Elektron has already publicly stated 
on this group that A) The sequencer will not change much, and B) 
There is no DSP power left for multiple compressors (I'd love that 
feature, too).

  The compressor issue is of course a bitch, but the easy solution 
for the sequencer issue is to simply not limit yourself to using the 
MD as a stand-alone unit.  Externally sequence it!  It's easy and 
makes the MD much more powerful when you don't have to stick to 8th 
notes all of the time.

>   Sorry to break it to you, but Elektron has already publicly 
stated 
> on this group that A) The sequencer will not change much, and B) 
> There is no DSP power left for multiple compressors (I'd love that 
> feature, too).

mmh too bad !

>   The compressor issue is of course a bitch, but the easy solution 
> for the sequencer issue is to simply not limit yourself to using 
the 
> MD as a stand-alone unit.  Externally sequence it!  It's easy and 
> makes the MD much more powerful when you don't have to stick to 8th 
> notes all of the time.

well precisely ! I am aware of this option, but the whole point of 
having a drumbox is having a sequencer attached indeed !!

> > I did post some suggestion about OS improvement re: a time offset
> > parameter per machine, but it does not seem to be of any kind of
> > interest for you guys ?
> >
> 
> I don't like the feature you're asking for.

well then may I politely suggest that you don't understand what 
sequencing is all about ?

here is my initial post just for your record

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hi all, I wanted to ask you guys how you feel 
about this improvement of the MachineDrum OS :

I would like each sequencer's track to feature 
a time offset parameter. 
One feature I use a lot on Cubase SX is the 
"time-offset" parameter. example, by layering 
2 different (or similar) hihats and offsetting 
one of them (ie having one of them playing just 
a few ticks before or after the other), you can 
create haas-effected hi-hat sounds , and this 
cuts through the mix much better !!

not to mention the ability to alter a groove 
quite radically and in a different way to the one 
that uses classic shuffle x0x style.

Just an idea.. and it seems that the MD does not 
allow you to do that - except on E12 machine, 
it looks like you can fiddle around on 
the STRT parameter... but still I would love 
to see that implemented on each track/machine

Olivier

Giovedì, 23 gen 2003, alle 16:33 Europe/Rome, otison <otison@...> 
ha scritto:

>>> I did post some suggestion about OS improvement re: a time offset
>>> parameter per machine, but it does not seem to be of any kind of
>>> interest for you guys ?
>>>
>>
>> I don't like the feature you're asking for.
>
> well then may I politely suggest that you don't understand what
> sequencing is all about ?

I could say the same of you.

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, Federico Ciapi 
<federico.ciapi@t...> wrote:
> 
> Giovedì¬ 23 gen 2003, alle 16:33 Europe/Rome, otison <otison@y...> 
> ha scritto:
> > well then may I politely suggest that you don't understand what
> > sequencing is all about ?
> 
> I could say the same of you.

  Okay, let's not get a flame war going here...

  Every artist has different needs.  Leave it at that.

Having a step sequencer with tick resolution would be incredibly 
hardcore/impractical...

To get the effect your after set the feedback in the delay unit to 0 and the 
delay time to a small amount, adjust the delay level to suit, this will give 
you the kind of effect your looking for. Add some modulation to give you 
chorus/flanger effects.

The greatest resolution on the machinedrum can be achieved by setting the 
pattern length to 32 and then doubling or trippling (either just by setting 
the tempo to twice the amount and or if not in range using the tempo 
doubler) your tempo. This leaves you with one bar of 64th notes.

polyhex






>From: "otison <otison@...>" <otison@...>
>Reply-To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
>To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [elektron] Re: time offset
>Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2003 15:33:09 -0000
>
> > > I did post some suggestion about OS improvement re: a time offset
> > > parameter per machine, but it does not seem to be of any kind of
> > > interest for you guys ?
> > >
> >
> > I don't like the feature you're asking for.
>
>well then may I politely suggest that you don't understand what
>sequencing is all about ?
>
>here is my initial post just for your record
>
>************************
>
>hi all, I wanted to ask you guys how you feel
>about this improvement of the MachineDrum OS :
>
>I would like each sequencer's track to feature
>a time offset parameter.
>One feature I use a lot on Cubase SX is the
>"time-offset" parameter. example, by layering
>2 different (or similar) hihats and offsetting
>one of them (ie having one of them playing just
>a few ticks before or after the other), you can
>create haas-effected hi-hat sounds , and this
>cuts through the mix much better !!
>
>not to mention the ability to alter a groove
>quite radically and in a different way to the one
>that uses classic shuffle x0x style.
>
>Just an idea.. and it seems that the MD does not
>allow you to do that - except on E12 machine,
>it looks like you can fiddle around on
>the STRT parameter... but still I would love
>to see that implemented on each track/machine
>
>Olivier
>
>


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Hi Olivier,

This is a GREAT idea if possible!! It would allow more organic sounding grooves.... happy days indeed!! I have also sugested to Elektron that if they made the sends from the machines to the delay and reverb PRE-fader this would allow eg; triplet time drums with the usual four four. I live in hope that they can squeeze a little more out of the DSP to give us tricks like these, as they will allow ever more subtle and interesting patterns..... yummy!

Thinking Happy Thoughts

Amos

> Just an idea.. and it seems that the MD does not 
> allow you to do that - except on E12 machine, 
> it looks like you can fiddle around on 
> the STRT parameter... but still I would love 
> to see that implemented on each track/machine
> 
> Olivier

It looks like you know the answer.  It would be nice but like said
before it ain't gonna happen.  You answered yourself.

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "endlessnessisticman 
<endlessnessisticman@y...>" <endlessnessisticman@y...> wrote:
> 
> > Just an idea.. and it seems that the MD does not 
> > allow you to do that - except on E12 machine, 
> > it looks like you can fiddle around on 
> > the STRT parameter... but still I would love 
> > to see that implemented on each track/machine
> > 
> > Olivier
> 
> It looks like you know the answer.  It would be nice but like said
> before it ain't gonna happen.  You answered yourself.

hmm.. ok,  still saving for MACHINEDRUM, just a quick question....

with MACHINEDRUM sequencer (midi machine) is it possible to shift a 
note on event a few ticks forward to account for SIDSTATION delay? 
or is there any way to correct for this latency problem when 
sequencing SID with MACHINEDRUM? thanks.........
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