Elektron Musical Instruments

If I want to program patterns, etc., I obviously need the Machinedrum. My other -- and
potentially 
primary -- use, however, is probably driving it from my HandSonic. That's where things
like MIDI 
velocity and CC information become interesting. Am I correct that about all I get to
control on the 
Machinedrum without diving into parameter locks is volume?

There's also the issue of sound production. The Rack Attack has a moderately sophisticated

synthesizer model, but it's clearly oriented toward synthetic sounds. How well do the
physically 
modeled drums on the Machinedrum do? I'm not looking for exact replicas of specific
sounds, but I 
am interested in something that sounds more organic rather than synthetic (spoken as
someone 
who makes moderately heavy use of the 808 kick drum sample on the HandSonic).

Thanks.
Mark

> If I want to program patterns, etc., I obviously need the 
> Machinedrum. My other -- and potentially 
> primary -- use, however, is probably driving it from my 
> HandSonic. That's where things like MIDI 
> velocity and CC information become interesting. Am I correct 
> that about all I get to control on the 
> Machinedrum without diving into parameter locks is volume?

Yes, but it's important that you understand that this is the condition
*at present*. While some have argued that they believe Elektron view the
MachineDrum as a "closed" product, I believe that this just can't be
true. There's too much potential here for them to just walk away, and
besides, the realtime performance community representys a good
purchasing audience (you and me for example, and others to be sure.)

I wouldn't be surprised if we saw enhancements to make the machinedrum
more "playable" in realtime from an external controller.

But hey, they are now working to get the MonoMachine out so let's just
wait and see?

Meanwhile, you've got the world's best drum machine?

-M@

I really wanna see velocity data stored in the sequencer... i know people
say you can do it with vol. locks and accent but when you just wanna knock
out a beat on the keyboard and retain feel...it isn't quite the same going
back and adding the little tweaks

Is it confirmed the sequencer cannot be updated?

I mean when your creating something more dynamic like breakz i think
velocity is essential

I agree with Mat with regards to us being the primary market for any future
releases from elektron. So follows that they would want to impress us with a
machinedrum update...to keep the loyal customer base



----- Original Message -----

From: "Matt Picone" <matman@...>
To: <elektron-users@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2003 5:34 PM
Subject: RE: [elektron] Rack Attack & Machinedrum


> > If I want to program patterns, etc., I obviously need the
> > Machinedrum. My other -- and potentially
> > primary -- use, however, is probably driving it from my
> > HandSonic. That's where things like MIDI
> > velocity and CC information become interesting. Am I correct
> > that about all I get to control on the
> > Machinedrum without diving into parameter locks is volume?
>
> Yes, but it's important that you understand that this is the condition
> *at present*. While some have argued that they believe Elektron view the
> MachineDrum as a "closed" product, I believe that this just can't be
> true. There's too much potential here for them to just walk away, and
> besides, the realtime performance community representys a good
> purchasing audience (you and me for example, and others to be sure.)
>
> I wouldn't be surprised if we saw enhancements to make the machinedrum
> more "playable" in realtime from an external controller.
>
> But hey, they are now working to get the MonoMachine out so let's just
> wait and see?
>
> Meanwhile, you've got the world's best drum machine?
>
> -M@
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>

From Elektron, in recent email correspondence between them and myself:

"Regarding your specific question about the MIDI pads and the 
Machinedrum,
you can not record velocity in the MD sequencer, and that is nothing we
have planned to add. Velocity is just mapped to the volume parameter, so
recording it would mean locking a parameter on the fly. That is not 
really
into our vision of the MD. Perhaps we could see it differently in the
future if we added more support for live drumming, but the current
response is "no" to this feature."

On Sunday, June 22, 2003, at 12:32 pm, Raj wrote:

>
> I really wanna see velocity data stored in the sequencer... i know 
> people
> say you can do it with vol. locks and accent but when you just wanna 
> knock
> out a beat on the keyboard and retain feel...it isn't quite the same 
> going
> back and adding the little tweaks
>
> Is it confirmed the sequencer cannot be updated?
>
> I mean when your creating something more dynamic like breakz i think
> velocity is essential
>
> I agree with Mat with regards to us being the primary market for any 
> future
> releases from elektron. So follows that they would want to impress us 
> with a
> machinedrum update...to keep the loyal customer base
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Matt Picone" <matman@...>
> To: <elektron-users@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2003 5:34 PM
> Subject: RE: [elektron] Rack Attack & Machinedrum
>
>
> > > If I want to program patterns, etc., I obviously need the
> > > Machinedrum. My other -- and potentially
> > > primary -- use, however, is probably driving it from my
> > > HandSonic. That's where things like MIDI
> > > velocity and CC information become interesting. Am I correct
> > > that about all I get to control on the
> > > Machinedrum without diving into parameter locks is volume?
> >
> > Yes, but it's important that you understand that this is the 
> condition
> > *at present*. While some have argued that they believe Elektron view 
> the
> > MachineDrum as a "closed" product, I believe that this just can't be
> > true. There's too much potential here for them to just walk away, and
> > besides, the realtime performance community representys a good
> > purchasing audience (you and me for example, and others to be sure.)
> >
> > I wouldn't be surprised if we saw enhancements to make the 
> machinedrum
> > more "playable" in realtime from an external controller.
> >
> > But hey, they are now working to get the MonoMachine out so let's 
> just
> > wait and see?
> >
> > Meanwhile, you've got the world's best drum machine?
> >
> > -M@
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to 
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
>
>
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> > I agree with Mat with regards to us being the primary market for any
> > future releases from elektron. So follows that they would want to 
> impress us with a machinedrum update...to keep the loyal customer base

Yes, but I simply had the live drumming features in mind, and I was
thinking about these kinds of features as mainly appealing to NEW
customers, not satisfying existing ones.

-M@

on the subject of Rack Attack, I see little point in
buying it in hardware at this point. I always wondered
why Waldorf didn't take this product one step further.


namely: the used the case of their Micro Q to house
the Rack Attack, no? and it includes a step-sequencer,
which I would imagine is a pain-in-the-ass to program
with that interface.

Waldorf also made another hardware rack/tabletop synth
with a more easily-programmable step-sequencer: the
Q-rack. personally, I don't understand why they didn't
take the Attack product further: use the case of the
Q-rack to create another new product called "Hard
Attack"... I know the name might sound like a joke,
but seriously, a drum synth from Waldorf with an
interface like the Q-rack might actually have some
tweak appeal and might actually be able to share the
market with the Machinedrum. 

as it is now, the Rack Attack would be pointless to
me: since I would likely end up using software to
program it, I may as well just get the software
version and save $400!

I know this isn't a Waldorf list, I just wanted to
mention this, because I think Waldorf *could* have had
a product on their hands that could have shared a
market with the MD. but, like everything they've done
since the Q, they just seemed to miss the point with
this one. 

oh well. at least there's still the DRM1 to compliment
the MD ;-)

cheers,
kevin

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> oh well. at least there's still the DRM1 to compliment
> the MD ;-)
> 
> cheers,
> kevin

Is the DRM1 relly a complimenary product? Tell us more.

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, not known <spectralab1@y...> wrote:
> I know this isn't a Waldorf list, I just wanted to
> mention this, because I think Waldorf *could* have had
> a product on their hands that could have shared a
> market with the MD. but, like everything they've done
> since the Q, they just seemed to miss the point with
> this one.

well, despite this not being the Waldorf list...what do you think of
the Q?  I am thinking about grabbing one in the near future; but I've
never actually played one, I've just heard the samples.  It seems like
it has an interesting niche and would work very well with my current
small set of machines (MD, Sidstation and Evolver).
 
> oh well. at least there's still the DRM1 to compliment
> the MD ;-)

ahhh....another machine on my list :-) But I'm holding out for a bit;
I'm hoping that they'll eventually add some MIDI control capability as
well as patch memory.  Maybe I'm dreaming... But for now, the idea of
resetting 72 knobs for each song doesn't really interest me :-)
Likewise with their Perfourmer - a great idea and great-sounding; but
patch memory and MIDI control would change its status from great to
*necessary*.

Then again, hard-setting 72 knobs is probably better than
hand-programming a sequence with six knobs (i.e. on the Rack Attack)
:-)  Especially when the 72-knob machine is analog....

Joe.

>>>>> jmelnyk  writes:

  jm> well, despite this not being the Waldorf list...what do you
  jm> think of the Q?  It seems like it has an interesting niche and
  jm> would work very well with my current small set of machines (MD,
  jm> Sidstation and Evolver).

i'm a huge fan of the Q.  it's not necessarily the go-to synth if
you're looking for "just" virtual analogue or "that" filter, but it
has a rich feature set (FM capabilities, step sequencer, flexible arp,
wavetables, dynamic filter routing, &c.) that is capable of bringing a
lot to the mix.  i use mine in conjunction with the evolver and MD
often, syncing up the step sequencers and twiddling away.

sorry for continuing the OT.  if anyone has specific waldorf questions
the user-forum is typically very helpful.


cheers,
k.

-- 
kevin montuori

montuori@...
AIM: ignavusinfo

> Is the DRM1 relly a complimenary product? Tell us 
> more.

I will - as soon as I buy one :-)

I had planned to have one by now, but some expenses
related to my moving house next weekend have
temporarily post-poned my plans. 

from the demos and user reports I have heard however,
I think they will go well together.

as I said, I'll tell you more as soon as I have a
DRM-1 to play with.




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