Elektron Musical Instruments

Hello,
I'm thinking about buying a Machinedrum next christmas.
Few quetions :
Is it good for Hip-Hop, Funk, I'm not looking for 'Natural sound' in 
particular.
Can you recreate the Linndrum samples ?
Is there anywhere on the web I can find good examples of this 
machine, despite the Lektron samples which sound to electro in my 
taste.

Thanks

le 15/07/2003 17:46, sebastien robin à sebastien_robin@... a écrit :

> Hello,
> I'm thinking about buying a Machinedrum next christmas.

that's an idea! :)

> Few quetions :
> Is it good for Hip-Hop, Funk, I'm not looking for 'Natural sound' in
> particular.

My personnal view is that natural sound are not why the MD is here. (it's
more here to prepare the coming of the ETs ;)

The natural sounds are ok (better to have a real drummer anyway) but the
wicked side of things is more interesting

There is no MD in your area so you can have a try?

Where are you in case some mad MDer can give you shelter so you can hear and
try yourself?

> Can you recreate the Linndrum samples ?

As long as 808-909 are  (in my opinion) not in the real possibilities (this
said the works of some to get close has been rather fruitfull and
interesting). The other classics are in its reach.

Myself I'm more interested into the wicked digital saturated stuff that is
peculiar to the MD but it's personal and I have other drumsynths

> Is there anywhere on the web I can find good examples of this
> machine, despite the Lektron samples which sound to electro in my
> taste.

If they are still online they gave on the site parts of the elektron party
last year, good interesting stuff made by people outside Elektron.
Maybe not your style but it gives perspective.

http://www.elektron.se/superparty/

Outside that the samples from Elektron on the site (in the sound page) are
thinned by encoding. They lack a fullness the MD has, who stole the oooompf?

Denis U]

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lepetitmartien           M.I.C.                http://www.macmusic.org

I'm in the same situation (considering droping the money on a MD).  
This is what I have that may help you.  The MD is very 
industrial/electronic sounding, it's not going to give you that REAL 
drum sound.  If you like the way the MD is sequenced (definatly the 
best sequencing around, just like the roland X0X line) then it's 
right for you.  Just because IT doesnt make the drum sound you want 
doesnt mean you wont find use of it's sounds, and the sequencer can 
be used to sequence a nice but cheap sample unit.  I personaly have 
an E-MU E5000 Ultra that I will be using.  This will be my live setup:

Elektron Machinedrum
E-MU E5000 Ultra sampler
Future Retro 777 analog synth/sequencer
Roland MC-202 analog synth
Mackie DFX-12 console mixer

I also have a Yamaha RM1x, but Im not sure it will get used.  I would 
also like to have some analog efx processors, the Oakley Sound 
filtrex wold be nice but he's discontinuing it and you have to build 
it yourself, and Im not to good at that.  That in mind I'm open for 
suggestions on that front, and I mean something independant of the 
MD, as I know it has some abilities.


Bryan


--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "sebastien robin" 
<sebastien_robin@h...> wrote:
> Hello,
> I'm thinking about buying a Machinedrum next christmas.
> Few quetions :
> Is it good for Hip-Hop, Funk, I'm not looking for 'Natural sound' 
in 

> particular.
> Can you recreate the Linndrum samples ?
> Is there anywhere on the web I can find good examples of this 
> machine, despite the Lektron samples which sound to electro in my 
> taste.
> 
> Thanks

> If you like the way the MD is sequenced (definatly the 
> best sequencing around, just like the roland X0X line) then it's 
> right for you.

Truly a creative machine. When/if Elektron add support for use with
dDrums, it will be the ultimate.

-M@

On Tue Jul 15 2003, ask <iceberg@...> wrote:

> This will be my live setup:
> 
> Elektron Machinedrum
> E-MU E5000 Ultra sampler
> Future Retro 777 analog synth/sequencer
> Roland MC-202 analog synth
> Mackie DFX-12 console mixer

Interesting! How will you be using the MC-202, loading sequences into
it between every track from cd? The rest of the gear seems to work
fine in a live situation, but not the 202.

/Janne

Actualy, the MC-202 is slaved to the FR-777 via the cv/gate out.  
Mixing the two together givees a nice sound, similar to having a dual 
ocilator synth.  I dont have any samples as yet because things are a 
wreck here at the moment.  Once I have some I shall post them if you 
would like to hear.


Bryan


--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "Janne G:son Berg" 
<d3berg@d...> wrote:
> On Tue Jul 15 2003, ask <iceberg@t...> wrote:
> 
> > This will be my live setup:
> > 
> > Elektron Machinedrum
> > E-MU E5000 Ultra sampler
> > Future Retro 777 analog synth/sequencer
> > Roland MC-202 analog synth
> > Mackie DFX-12 console mixer
> 
> Interesting! How will you be using the MC-202, loading sequences 
into

> it between every track from cd? The rest of the gear seems to work
> fine in a live situation, but not the 202.
> 
> /Janne

On Wed Jul 16 2003, ask <iceberg@...> wrote:

> Actualy, the MC-202 is slaved to the FR-777 via the cv/gate out.  
> Mixing the two together givees a nice sound, similar to having a dual 
> ocilator synth.  I dont have any samples as yet because things are a 
> wreck here at the moment.  Once I have some I shall post them if you 
> would like to hear.

Hmm... but the 777 does already have two oscs (plus two subs). What
you get is a three oscs (and three subs), plus the 202 has cleaner
sounds when going up in frequency.

You get a 3 ms lag from the 202 as well. I've tried this by slaving
the 202 from a 303 and recording the resulting sounds. Checked it in a
waveform editor. :) A SH-101 seems to me like a much better choice if
you can find it. A bit bigger though, which might make it impractical
for gigging.

And now, back to Elektron stuff. 

/Janne, has a 777 and 202 at home as well

On Tuesday, July 15, 2003, at 08:08  PM, Matt Picone wrote:

> Truly a creative machine. When/if Elektron add support for use with
> dDrums, it will be the ultimate.

I don't know anything about the dDrums but most electronic drum kits 
are just piezo elements mounted under some rubber.  I picked up a Casio 
DZ-1 on ebay for $30 (http://www.sonicstate.com/synth/casio_dz1.cfm) 
and have used it to convert my drumkit into MIDI.  I also learned a 
very valuable lesson that day...I have ZERO ability to play the drums 
:)  If the dDrums kit has normal phono outputs it's probably the 
standard trigger signal and can easily be converted into midi.

hth,
c.

> I don't know anything about the dDrums... 
> the standard trigger signal and can easily be converted into midi.

The first problem is that ddrums send a range of midi notes per
instrument, not just one, for "positional sensing" on the heads.

The second problem is that the hihats use the same note for open and
closed-- the choice between them is made by a midi CC (selects and
crossfades)

The third problem is more of a limit, in that it's nice to be able to
map velocity to something besides volume when playing pads.

-M@