Elektron Musical Instruments

yeah, that\ufffds right. One bad thing though is that the MD can\ufffdt record entire 
sweeps. It just assign a CC value when the note is triggered. However you 
can use the lfos to control the CCs.

Another thing I\ufffdd like to add is that the midi machines can play 3 note 
chords. The 2 parameters next to "note", the n2 and n3 I guess, are used to 
play different notes and work as an offset (in semitones) from the original 
note.

nice!

:)

Rui

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>Subject: [elektron] Digest Number 927
>Date: 3 Aug 2003 10:58:57 -0000
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>       1. Re: electron midi
>            From: "Joe" <jmelnyk@...>
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>    Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2003 08:11:03 -0000
>    From: "Joe" <jmelnyk@...>
>Subject: Re: electron midi
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>--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, Dave Dawson <dd1200202@y...> wrote:
> > In song mode, can the machinedrum record midi changes using the
> > machinedrums internal sequencer? this would be a real plus, and
> > I dont know how to do it if its possible. Ie: record midi knob
> > tweaks, and then play them back.
>
>you're using the MD to "play" the virus, right? that is, you've
>assigned a MIDI machine in the MD to control the virus note sequence.
>assuming this, all you have to do is decide what are your six most
>favored MIDI controls that you'd like to tweak on the virus and assign
>them to CC's on the MIDI machine. then tweak those while the pattern
>is recording and it will play them back correctly (assuming your
>changes fell where triggering was being done).
>
>now, you'd like to do this in song mode. this IS possible, but the
>solution is ugly :-)  for example, if you're talking about having a
>pattern repeat 8 times while you tweak the parameters for it...you can
>have the MD record these changes as described above; BUT you would
>have to use 8 versions of the "base" pattern and have the parameter
>changes effect the pattern that they fall on. make sense?
>
>BTW, if you want more than six CC controls for a given MIDI channel
>(for example on your virus) then you can just use another MD MIDI
>machine assigned to the same channel. this feature can also be used to
>increase the polyphony of the MD's external MIDI triggering ability.
>(since MD MIDI machines only use monophonic triggering.)
>
>Joe.
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--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "Rui Peixoto" <rupix@h...> wrote:
> yeah, that´s right. One bad thing though is that the MD can´t record 
> entire 
> sweeps. It just assign a CC value when the note is triggered. 

that's what I meant by "assuming your changes fell where triggering
was being done" :-)

but yeah, as great as the parameter locks are, alot of times I'll
shape a melody by tweaking an effect with a specific rythmn. and often
the rythmn isn't the same as what the sequencer is playing. so i
either have to have that melody played in real-time (by me) or not
have it at all. of course, I could use the glide function. but that
would affect any other parameter changes that other machines are doing
at the time. which is usually not what i want.

it would be nice if each machine had a "dead note" which didn't
trigger anything. it just allowed you to change the parameters of a
sound that machine is already making. so THEN, sweeps would be
recorded (at least when using the internal machines).


> Another thing I´d like to add is that the midi machines can play 3 
> note 
> chords. The 2 parameters next to "note", the n2 and n3 I guess, are 
> used to 
> play different notes and work as an offset (in semitones) from the 
> original 
> note.

yes. this is very nice indeed.  my comment about MIDI triggering
polyphony was slightly different, though. that is, if you trigger a
note (or 3-note chord), the MD acts in a monophonic manner. so
whenever you trigger another note, the previous note will stop
playing, whether you wanted it to or not.

so for example, if you want to trigger a chord on note 1 and have it
sustain for 16 beats AND you want to play three more notes (say on
notes 4, 8 and 12) WHILE that chord is sustaining; you can't do it
with just one MIDI machine. as soon as you play the note on beat 4,
the chord you triggered on note 1 will stop.

so what you can do is use one MIDI machine (assigned to, say, channel
1) to trigger the chord on note 1 and a second MIDI machine (assigned
to the same channel) to trigger the notes on beats 4, 8 and 12. and
this acts as you had intended. make sense?

as you can guess, if you write a lot of parts like this, you probably
want to use something other than the MD as your synth sequencer.
because this process will suck up the available machines pretty fast!
and then you'll have nothing left for drums and sweet elektro sounds :-)

Joe.

One thing I would like to add is that if you have the machinedrum
trigger an external device, if you have a note on the first bar first
position(BD), that note may not turn off. Especially when you press
start in the song mode. You might want to start triggering your phat
bass line from the virus at the half step or second step.

Anyone get this problem too?

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "Joe" <jmelnyk@c...> wrote:

> --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "Rui Peixoto" <rupix@h...> wrote:
> > yeah, that´s right. One bad thing though is that the MD can´t record 
> > entire 
> > sweeps. It just assign a CC value when the note is triggered. 
> 
> that's what I meant by "assuming your changes fell where triggering
> was being done" :-)
> 
> but yeah, as great as the parameter locks are, alot of times I'll
> shape a melody by tweaking an effect with a specific rythmn. and often
> the rythmn isn't the same as what the sequencer is playing. so i
> either have to have that melody played in real-time (by me) or not
> have it at all. of course, I could use the glide function. but that
> would affect any other parameter changes that other machines are doing
> at the time. which is usually not what i want.
> 
> it would be nice if each machine had a "dead note" which didn't
> trigger anything. it just allowed you to change the parameters of a
> sound that machine is already making. so THEN, sweeps would be
> recorded (at least when using the internal machines).
> 
> 
> > Another thing I´d like to add is that the midi machines can play 3 
> > note 
> > chords. The 2 parameters next to "note", the n2 and n3 I guess, are 
> > used to 
> > play different notes and work as an offset (in semitones) from the 
> > original 
> > note.
> 
> yes. this is very nice indeed.  my comment about MIDI triggering
> polyphony was slightly different, though. that is, if you trigger a
> note (or 3-note chord), the MD acts in a monophonic manner. so
> whenever you trigger another note, the previous note will stop
> playing, whether you wanted it to or not.
> 
> so for example, if you want to trigger a chord on note 1 and have it
> sustain for 16 beats AND you want to play three more notes (say on
> notes 4, 8 and 12) WHILE that chord is sustaining; you can't do it
> with just one MIDI machine. as soon as you play the note on beat 4,
> the chord you triggered on note 1 will stop.
> 
> so what you can do is use one MIDI machine (assigned to, say, channel
> 1) to trigger the chord on note 1 and a second MIDI machine (assigned
> to the same channel) to trigger the notes on beats 4, 8 and 12. and
> this acts as you had intended. make sense?
> 
> as you can guess, if you write a lot of parts like this, you probably
> want to use something other than the MD as your synth sequencer.
> because this process will suck up the available machines pretty fast!
> and then you'll have nothing left for drums and sweet elektro sounds :-)
> 
> Joe.