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[MM Feature] How about flashing track led's

[MM Feature] How about flashing track led's

2003-09-25 by Roonan

Hi,

Sorry for the large amount of posts btw :-D 

I've been playing with patterns like I would do live to see how it 
behaves but after I while I found it difficult to remember wich part 
was on wich track.
Wouldn't it be nice to have the 6 track LED's flash (short off on 
trig when unmuted) so you can see what's happening on the track's. 
(like on the MD)
It can ruin a performance when you want mute something and you mute 
the wrong track....

Also a way to solo a track would be nice (on MD too btw)
Almost all sequenced gear have such a feature, why not on these?

Ronald.

Re: [elektron] [MM Feature] How about flashing track led's

2003-09-25 by Joe

On Thu, Sep 25, 2003 at 06:36:24AM -0000, Roonan wrote:
>    Sorry for the large amount of posts btw :-D

likewise :-)

>    I've been playing with patterns like I would do live to see how it
>    behaves but after I while I found it difficult to remember wich part
>    was on wich track.
>    Wouldn't it be nice to have the 6 track LED's flash (short off on
>    trig when unmuted) so you can see what's happening on the track's.
>    (like on the MD)
>    It can ruin a performance when you want mute something and you mute
>    the wrong track....
>    Also a way to solo a track would be nice (on MD too btw)
>    Almost all sequenced gear have such a feature, why not on these?
>    Ronald.

I think you're right, the LED's should blink while they're unmuted and
being trigged.  But also, the tracks that have no trigs on them should
be unlit always; even if you select it.  That way, when you load the
pattern it's very obvious which tracks have anything on them.  And if
you're playing and select a track without trigs, you'll know it right
away because it won't be orange (has trigs, but muted) or red (has trigs
and is unmuted).

What do you think?  Is it worth a feature request?

Joe

Re: [elektron] [MM Feature] How about flashing track led's

2003-09-25 by Janne G:son Berg

On Thu Sep 25 2003, Joe <jmelnyk@...> wrote:

> I think you're right, the LED's should blink while they're unmuted and
> being trigged.  But also, the tracks that have no trigs on them should
> be unlit always; even if you select it.  That way, when you load the
> pattern it's very obvious which tracks have anything on them.  And if
> you're playing and select a track without trigs, you'll know it right
> away because it won't be orange (has trigs, but muted) or red (has trigs
> and is unmuted).
> 
> What do you think?  Is it worth a feature request?

Of course! I just added a feature request for distorsion after the
filter, like on the MD. :)

http://www.explodingdog.com/january2/ilikethismusic.html

/Janne

Re: [elektron] [MM Feature] How about flashing track led's

2003-09-25 by Roonan

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "Janne G:son Berg" 
<d3berg@d...> wrote:

> Of course! I just added a feature request for distorsion after the
> filter, like on the MD. :)

Hmm, I like distortion in front of the filter, can make the sound 
very fat.
But I guess your request is already on the todo list in the form of a 
FX machine, I read somewhere they planned a distortion FX machine.

Ronald.

Re: [elektron] [MM Feature] How about flashing track led's

2003-09-25 by Janne G:son Berg

On Thu Sep 25 2003, Roonan <info@...> wrote:

> Hmm, I like distortion in front of the filter, can make the sound 
> very fat.

And we already have that, don't we?

sound source->distorsion->filter->amp? Isn't that how it works today?

What I am looking for is this:

sound source->distorsion->filter->amp->distorsion

/Janne

Re: [elektron] [MM Feature] How about flashing track led's

2003-09-25 by damon

I second (third?) all of this.

I've got loads of UI ideas on this thing.  This was one of the top 
items, behind getting the pattern selection LEDs working like on the MD 
(seeing what's got a pattern and what doesn't).

Loads of bugs, but man is this sweet.

On Wednesday, September 24, 2003, at 11:51 pm, Joe wrote:

> On Thu, Sep 25, 2003 at 06:36:24AM -0000, Roonan wrote:
> >    Sorry for the large amount of posts btw :-D
>
> likewise :-)
>
> >    I've been playing with patterns like I would do live to see how it
> >    behaves but after I while I found it difficult to remember wich 
> part
> >    was on wich track.
> >    Wouldn't it be nice to have the 6 track LED's flash (short off on
> >    trig when unmuted) so you can see what's happening on the track's.
> >    (like on the MD)
> >    It can ruin a performance when you want mute something and you 
> mute
> >    the wrong track....
> >    Also a way to solo a track would be nice (on MD too btw)
> >    Almost all sequenced gear have such a feature, why not on these?
> >    Ronald.
>
> I think you're right, the LED's should blink while they're unmuted and
> being trigged.  But also, the tracks that have no trigs on them should
> be unlit always; even if you select it.  That way, when you load the
> pattern it's very obvious which tracks have anything on them.  And if
> you're playing and select a track without trigs, you'll know it right
> away because it won't be orange (has trigs, but muted) or red (has 
> trigs
> and is unmuted).
>
> What do you think?  Is it worth a feature request?
>
> Joe
>
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Re: [elektron] [MM Feature] How about flashing track led's

2003-09-25 by Roonan

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "Janne G:son Berg" 
<d3berg@d...> wrote:
> 
> sound source->distorsion->filter->amp->distorsion

Yes, we already have it and I like it.
As already mentioned, with the new FX machine you can put a 
distortion at the end of any track.

Ronald.

Re: [elektron] [MM Feature] How about flashing track led's

2003-09-25 by Janne G:son Berg

On Thu Sep 25 2003, Roonan <info@...> wrote:

> As already mentioned, with the new FX machine you can put a 
> distortion at the end of any track.

Sounds good to me.

Another thing that I find... not lacking, but could be more of is
this. Parameters for the different sounds. For the FM machines I would
like more control over the envelopes per FM operator. 

Another thing is letting the output from the sound source modulate
amp/filter, like you can do on some old analogue synths. 

Has anyone figured out what the interlacing option on the LFO:s
actually interlaces with? LFO1 interlaced with LFO2?

/Janne

Distortion pre-post filter

2003-09-26 by daniel_elektron

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "Janne G:son Berg" 
<d3berg@d...> wrote:

> > Hmm, I like distortion in front of the filter, can make the 
sound 
> > very fat.
> 
> And we already have that, don't we?

Actually it is in between the high pass and the low pass filter.

> sound source->distorsion->filter->amp? Isn't that how it works 
today?
> 
> What I am looking for is this:
> 
> sound source->distorsion->filter->amp->distorsion

Try using the "THROUGH" effect. That way you can route the output of 
one track into another, and use the track effects of the second one 
to add distortion to the first one, after the first filter!

Daniel

Re: [elektron] Distortion pre-post filter

2003-09-26 by Janne G:son Berg

On Fri Sep 26 2003, daniel_elektron <daniel@...> wrote:

> Actually it is in between the high pass and the low pass filter.

Ah.

> Try using the "THROUGH" effect. That way you can route the output of 
> one track into another, and use the track effects of the second one 
> to add distortion to the first one, after the first filter!

Yikes! I looked briefly at the reverb effect, which didn't make much
sense to me when it came to how one was supposed to set it up to get
some sounds out of it. :)

Some help on that would be appreciated.

Now I just wish for more parameters to control on the different
synthesizers. What about an extra oscillator for the SID? Could be
used normally, and for ring modulation and/or sync. Even better, let
the sound from another channel be used for ring modulation and/or
sync.

http://www.dtek.chalmers.se/~d3berg/sounds/jgb-coming_to_shore.mp3 is
the latest MnM-track, this one more of a real song. No extra ordinary
sounds, but still quite nice.

/Janne

Re: [elektron] Distortion pre-post filter

2003-09-29 by daniel_elektron

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "Janne G:son Berg" 
<d3berg@d...> wrote:

> > Try using the "THROUGH" effect. That way you can route the 
output of 
> > one track into another, and use the track effects of the second 
one 
> > to add distortion to the first one, after the first filter!
> 
> Yikes! I looked briefly at the reverb effect, which didn't make 
much
> sense to me when it came to how one was supposed to set it up to 
get
> some sounds out of it. :)
> 
> Some help on that would be appreciated.

Yes, the effects is an area that probably need some explanation 
before it can be understood. It's actually quite powerful.

There are three ways the effects can be used. First there is 
the "neighbour mode". In this mode the effect will take it's input 
sound from the previous channel. So if you're on channel two it will 
steal the sound of the first channel (insert effect).

Mode 2 is so you can have it work as an insert on any of the three 
mix buses: AB, CD or EF. The mixbuses are also the same that will be 
outputed on the three pair of outputs (here you can start see that 
everything inside the Mono is stereo :). So if you want an effect to 
affect the three first tracks, place it on the fourth track, put all 
the three first tracks to output to the AB mix bus, and let the 
effect insert on the AB bus. Or, if you want the sixth track be an 
effect that effects the first and third, then put the first and 
third track to output to the CD or EF bus, and let the effect insert 
on the same bus. You can then set the output to the AB if you want 
it to make sound on the normal AB stereo outputs.

The third mode is to take it's input directly from the inputs. 

It is important to remember that each machine that you want to make 
any sound need to be trigged first. And you need to set the decay 
and release to their highest values for it to continue make sound 
all the time after that. Of course you could set them to other 
values if you know what you are doing and want to do gating effects 
etc.

So actually there is a whole lot you can do already with just 
the "through" effect. Group tracks together and have another track 
effect that you can use for filter/distortion/delay etc!

> Now I just wish for more parameters to control on the different
> synthesizers. What about an extra oscillator for the SID? Could be
> used normally, and for ring modulation and/or sync.

The problem is how you would control that oscillator. And also we 
have actually squeezed the SID into the DSP power available, as we 
wanted to make it the same way as it's done in the actual SID, with 
a very high speed counter that is divided down to the actual pitch 
and waveform you want to use. That way we get the most authentic SID 
sound, but it takes a huge amount of DSP power to calculate it.

> Even better, let the sound from another channel be used for ring
> modulation and/or sync.

Yes, that's coming. We actually already have the controls for it if 
you look closely at the SYNC and RMOD parameters, but the source is 
still taken from the PCH2 value, not the previous channel. It is 
working properly in the DPRO-WAVE sync.

Daniel

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