Elektron Musical Instruments

Hello,

I'd love to see a listing of the editable parameters for each synth 
on the MnM.  Anyone willing to take the time to do that?  I'm just 
wondering how much control / complexity each synth has.  For example, 
I would love to know how FM+ compares to other FM synths - how many 
operators are available?  How many operator combinations?  ADSR, or 8 
part envelope?

-gerald

On Tue, Oct 14, 2003 at 01:14:28AM -0000, oldmanfury wrote:
>    Hello,
>    I'd love to see a listing of the editable parameters for each synth
>    on the MnM.  Anyone willing to take the time to do that?

it wouldn't really help too much at this point.  I could list them, but
I don't know what some of the abbreviations mean.  I have an idea of
what they do, but don't know for sure and the manual doesn't say (yet).

>    I'm just
>    wondering how much control / complexity each synth has.

there's a good deal of control and complexity, I think. there's eight
synth-specific parameters (the drum box has four though) per synth
machine. the filter/amp/effects/LFO's sections are identical.

but you can do a lot with them, I think.  especially when you consider
their interaction with the filter.

>    ADSR, or 8
>    part envelope?

the amp envelope is odd; it's AHDR = Attack, Hold, Decay and Release.
the hold parameter really helps when you're trying to set the length of
each sequenced note. it's actually a pretty intuitive envelope, though I
don't know if it's limiting or not. but that's the amp section (along
with distortion, volume, pan and portamento).

the filter has parameters base, width, Q, attack, decay, BOFS (base
offset) and WOFS (width offset). these should be fairly
self-explanatory, I think.

effects has: EQF and EQG (like the MD), SRR, DTIM (delay time), DSND
(amount of track sent to delay), DFB (delay feedback), DBAS and DWID
(filtering offsets). I'm excited that they will be adding extra effects
engines too. they've planned flanger, phaser, ringmod, chorus and
distortion. but those will (I'm assuming) be synth engines and thus will
require a dedicated track to use.

the LFO's are similar to the MD's but slightly different. they can
modulate any parameter from the track as well as the overall pitch of
the track. they can't, however, modulate any other track's parameters.
the waveforms are the same as in the MD, but you can't combine them; you
can only use one at a time. the timing is slower, but can be stepped
up - there's a MULT knob which multiplies the LFO speed value (set by
another knob) by powers of two (1, 2, 4, 8 and 16). and since there's
three LFO's per track (though they are shared with the respective MIDI
tracks), you can modulate a whole hell of a lot with them.

so yeah, there's a lot of control/complexity for each track. :-)

Joe

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, Joe <jmelnyk@c...> wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 14, 2003 at 01:14:28AM -0000, oldmanfury wrote:
> >    Hello,
> >    I'd love to see a listing of the editable parameters for each 
synth
> >    on the MnM.  Anyone willing to take the time to do that?
> 
> it wouldn't really help too much at this point.  I could list them, 
but
> I don't know what some of the abbreviations mean.  

Thanks for the extensive reply Joe.  If you (or someone else) lists 
the abbreviated 8 parameters per synth, then perhaps between all of 
the beta users you could piece together what they do?  Maybe someone 
else knows what that pesky XXXX parameter is for?

-g

On Tue, Oct 14, 2003 at 03:25:45AM -0000, oldmanfury wrote:
>    Thanks for the extensive reply Joe.  If you (or someone else) lists
>    the abbreviated 8 parameters per synth, then perhaps between all of
>    the beta users you could piece together what they do?  Maybe someone
>    else knows what that pesky XXXX parameter is for?

good point!  And it would be very helpful if that happened, since
I don't understand some of them fully (the FM machines especially).
However, I can still easily get great sounds out of them.

here's a run-down with then on the synth section of each synth machine;
I thought I'd do the transcribing and let others chime in as to
meanings. however, I listed the possible values for parameters which
don't have a 0-127 range.

GND->NOIS:
  - ST
  - RED
  - TUNE

GND->SIN:
  - TUNE

GND->GND: none

SWAVE->SAW:
  - UNIL
  - UNIW
  - SUB1
  - SUB2
  - SUBX
  - TUNE

SWAVE->PULS
  - UNIL
  - UNIW
  - SUB1
  - SUB2
  - PWID
  - PWAD
  - TUNE

VO->VO-6:
  - VOC1
  - VOC2
  - V-SW = yes/no value
  - VOIC
  - CONS
  - CLEN
  - CVOL
  - TUNE
	
FM->STAT:
  - 1FRQ = {1/64, 1/32, 1/16, 3/32, 1/8, 3/16, 1/4, 5/16, 3/8, 5/32, 7/16,
            1/2, 5/8, 3/4, 7/8, 1, 1.25, 1.5, 1.75, 2, 2.5, 3, 3.5, 4}
  - 1FIN
  - 1ENV
  - 1FB
  - 2FRQ = {1/64, 1/32, 1/16, 3/32, 1/8, 3/16, 1/4, 5/16, 3/8, 5/32, 7/16,
            1/2, 5/8, 3/4, 7/8, 1, 1.25, 1.5, 1.75, 2, 2.5, 3, 3.5, 4}
  - 2VOL
  - TONE
  - TUNE

FM->PAR:
  - 1FRQ = {1/64, 1/32, 1/16, 3/32, 1/8, 3/16, 1/4, 5/16, 3/8, 5/32, 7/16,
            1/2, 5/8, 3/4, 7/8, 1, 1.25, 1.5, 1.75, 2, 2.5, 3, 3.5, 4}
  - 1ENV
  - 3FRQ = {1/64, 1/32, 1/16, 3/32, 1/8, 3/16, 1/4, 5/16, 3/8, 5/32, 7/16,
            1/2, 5/8, 3/4, 7/8, 1, 1.25, 1.5, 1.75, 2, 2.5, 3, 3.5, 4}
  - 2ENV
  - 3FRQ = {1/64, 1/32, 1/16, 3/32, 1/8, 3/16, 1/4, 5/16, 3/8, 5/32, 7/16,
            1/2, 5/8, 3/4, 7/8, 1, 1.25, 1.5, 1.75, 2, 2.5, 3, 3.5, 4}
  - 3ENV
  - TONE
  - TUNE

FM->DYN:
  - 1FRQ = {from 0 to 1, steps in increments of 1/64; from 1 to 2,
            steps in increments of either 1/100 or 1/50
  - 1FEN
  - 1VOL
  - 1VEN
  - 2FRQ = {from 0 to 1, steps in increments of 1/64; from 1 to 2,
            steps in increments of either 1/100 or 1/50
  - 2ENV
  - 2FB
  - TUNE

SID->6581:
  - PW
  - PWAD
  - PWRS = on/off values
  - WAVE = waveform (saw, pulse, triangle, mix, noise)
  - RING = SFRQ/PRCH values
  - SYNC = SFRQ/PRCH values
  - SFRQ
  - TUNE
	
DPRO->WAVE:
  - WAVE = waveform (32 possible ones, not shown)
  - WP
  - WPM
  - WPRS = on/off values
  - SYNC = SFRQ/PRCH values
  - SFRQ
  - TUNE
	
DPRO->BBOX (drums): PTCH, STRT, RTRG and RTIM; these are essentially the
same as the E12 machines in the MD, but the parameters effect all drum
sounds on the track

FX->REV:
  - DEC
  - DAMP
  - GATE
  - MIX
  - HP
  - LP
  - INP

FX->THRU:
  - INP

Geez! How much of a nerd am I? (actually, I'm just trying to avoid
working, it seems :-)

Joe

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, Joe <jmelnyk@c...> wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 14, 2003 at 03:25:45AM -0000, oldmanfury wrote:

> Geez! How much of a nerd am I? (actually, I'm just trying to avoid
> working, it seems :-)

Hmm, I was thinking the exact same thing reading your list :-)

> SWAVE->SAW:
>   - SUBX

Anyone figured this one out? It seems to do nothing at the moment.
Is it the possibility to mix in another track as sub osc.?
Or something to do with the other sub osc's?

Ronald.

Here's what I have for the VO synth:


VO->VO-6:
  - VOC1 = vowel sound control 1, used to alter the vowel sound that
follows consonant
  - VOC2 = vowel sound control 2, used to alter the vowel sound that
follows consonant
  - V-SW = yes/no value - turns on/off vowel sound after consonant
  - VOIC = adds breath/noise to the sound (?)
  - CONS = consonant, selects what consonant sound to produce
  - CLEN = consonant length
  - CVOL = consonant volume
  - TUNE = tuning

Cheers
ripe