Elektron Musical Instruments

Daniel,
It kills me that the joystick movements aren't recognized in the 
mono's sequencer.  Please add this feature in a future update. (if 
possible, of course)
Stuart Currie

just wondering-on which track should the movement be recorded on?
Wouldnt that need an extra mastertrack?

Hans
--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "snmcur2000" <snmcur2000@y...> wrote:

> Daniel,
> It kills me that the joystick movements aren't recognized in the 
> mono's sequencer.  Please add this feature in a future update. (if 
> possible, of course)
> Stuart Currie

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "schmackofanz" 
<digitalaudiodesign@t...> wrote:
> just wondering-on which track should the movement be recorded on?
> Wouldnt that need an extra mastertrack?
> 
> Hans

I was thinking each track would have it's own movements.  With all 
the possible parameter locks, it seems the machine could handle the 
midi data from the joystick.  The joystick sends midi data doesn't 
it? I never checked.

For instance, the up/down is set to filter base and the right/left is 
set to Q (or whatever).  When playing real time I frequently find a 
sweet spot on the stick that I subtley modulate - very much like 
yamaha's morph.  When I then program the events in the sequencer I 
have to sort of reverse engineer the mods with each individual 
parameter knob and it never works out as well.

Anyway, just something on the wish list.

> --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "snmcur2000" 
<snmcur2000@y...> wrote:
> > Daniel,
> > It kills me that the joystick movements aren't recognized in the 
> > mono's sequencer.  Please add this feature in a future update. 
(if 
> > possible, of course)
> > Stuart Currie

On Apr 29, 2004, at 7:15 PM, snmcur2000 wrote:

> For instance, the up/down is set to filter base and the right/left is
>  set to Q (or whatever).  When playing real time I frequently find a
>  sweet spot on the stick that I subtley modulate - very much like
>  yamaha's morph.  When I then program the events in the sequencer I
>  have to sort of reverse engineer the mods with each individual
>  parameter knob and it never works out as well.

this is a great idea, and it's been requested several times.  I don't 
know if they think
it's worthwhile/possible or not, though.  but we were told not to 
expect it because such
major features were already in effect done.

anyway, if not a total sequencing of the joystick, it would be nice to 
have some way to grab or query the values used when one finds that 
"sweet spot" as you mention. at least then you can recreate it with 
individual parameter locks.

Joe

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On 4/29/04 7:38 PM, "Joe Melnyk" wrote:

> On Apr 29, 2004, at 7:15 PM, snmcur2000 wrote:
> 
>> For instance, the up/down is set to filter base and the right/left is
>>  set to Q (or whatever).  When playing real time I frequently find a
>>  sweet spot on the stick that I subtley modulate - very much like
>>  yamaha's morph.  When I then program the events in the sequencer I
>>  have to sort of reverse engineer the mods with each individual
>>  parameter knob and it never works out as well.
> 
> this is a great idea, and it's been requested several times.  I don't
> know if they think
> it's worthwhile/possible or not, though.  but we were told not to
> expect it because such
> major features were already in effect done.
> 
> anyway, if not a total sequencing of the joystick, it would be nice to
> have some way to grab or query the values used when one finds that
> "sweet spot" as you mention. at least then you can recreate it with
> individual parameter locks.
> 
> Joe
> 

Yea I really don't get why you cant record the joystick since you are
modifying parameters that are possible to record by other means.  I don't
have my mono yet but one would think if you are manipulating a filter by
moving the joystick say left why couldn¹t it record parameter locks for the
filter as if you were turning the filter knob? Maybe I'm not understanding
how things work. To me it seems like a no brainer to have it record but I
guess there are reasons for not having the ability. Especially since you can
use any joystick/pichbend controller to send info to change parameters, how
is this different in that it doesn¹t record parameter change info?

I recall a couple of months ago when Daniel responded
to a question on midi latency (emphatically there
wasn't any) he'd also said all communication
internally between components was midi.  If so, maybe
you can route & capture the joystick params as midi
values in an external program.  Not optimal, but at
least you'd know what the joystick values were and
could then enter them later if you wanted to recreate.
 This could also be why Elektron says recording them
is difficult - the midi values may only be routed
internally between the subsystems with no route
available for recording externally or via sequencer.

This is just a thought. I don't have an MnM, but maybe
someone that does thinks it's worth checking out. 
Don't hurt me if I'm way off base here :-)

eric
--- Andy Tarpinian <evildead@...> wrote:
> On 4/29/04 7:38 PM, "Joe Melnyk" wrote:
> 
> > On Apr 29, 2004, at 7:15 PM, snmcur2000 wrote:
> > 
> it would be nice to
> > have some way to grab or query the values used
> when one finds that
> > "sweet spot" as you mention. at least then you can
> recreate it with
> > individual parameter locks.
> > 
> > Joe
> > 
> 
> Yea I really don't get why you cant record the
> joystick since you are
> modifying parameters that are possible to record by
> other means.  I don't
> have my mono yet but one would think if you are
> manipulating a filter by
> moving the joystick say left why couldn\ufffdt it record
> parameter locks for the
> filter as if you were turning the filter knob? 


	
		
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--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, Andy Tarpinian <evildead@n...> 
wrote:
> Yea I really don't get why you cant record the joystick since you 
are modifying parameters that are possible to record by other means.  
I don't have my mono yet but one would think if you are manipulating 
a filter by moving the joystick say left why couldn¹t it record 
parameter locks for the filter as if you were turning the filter 
knob? Maybe I'm not understanding how things work. To me it seems 
like a no brainer to have it record but I guess there are reasons for 
not having the ability. Especially since you can use any 
joystick/pichbend controller to send info to change parameters, how
is this different in that it doesn¹t record parameter change
info?
---------

The reason Daniel gave is that pitchbends, which are something like 
12 bits cannot be recorded as parameter locks which have 8 bit 
resolution.  To which I replied something like "pitchbend be damned! 
I don't play guitar, and I don't need no freekin' whammy bar on my 
synth"

Really... if you could record everything except pitchbend, I'd be 
more than fine with that, and I suspect that the majority of the 
people on the list would be too.  Maybe it warrants a survey?

Which do you prefer:
a) A joystick that you cannot record parameter locks with
b) A joystick that you can record everything but pitchbend with

I would be really surprised if anybody answered a)

-gerald

On 4/30/04 9:55 PM, "oldmanfury" wrote:

> The reason Daniel gave is that pitchbends, which are something like
> 12 bits cannot be recorded as parameter locks which have 8 bit
> resolution.  To which I replied something like "pitchbend be damned!
> I don't play guitar, and I don't need no freekin' whammy bar on my
> synth"
> 
> Really... if you could record everything except pitchbend, I'd be
> more than fine with that, and I suspect that the majority of the
> people on the list would be too.  Maybe it warrants a survey?
> 
> Which do you prefer:
> a) A joystick that you cannot record parameter locks with
> b) A joystick that you can record everything but pitchbend with
> 
> I would be really surprised if anybody answered a)
> 
> -gerald

Yea strange. I just don¹t get if you can live record knob movements for say
a filter why can't it live record the joystick modifying that same filter.
Cuz your recording parameter locks for the filter not the physical object
you used to modify the parameter right?. When you assign something to the
joystick the information the joystick transmits back must bypass the
sequencer, and from what you say it was done purposely cuz recording pitch
bend was not possible... Weird :)

-andy

Here's the reason you were talking about I guess

" The main reason you can not record the joystick is that there is no
 place for recording the pitch destinations in the sequencer. Even if
 you could record it you would not be able to edit the pitch, which
 would be rather non-perfect. Instead, the Joystick lives its own
 real-time life, which hopefully is useful to some people.

 As mentioned here before, there is a freeze-trick you can use by
 interrupting the data-stream by changing track while you are moving
 the joystick!"


All or nothing I guess.

On 4/30/04 10:48 PM, "Andy Tarpinian" wrote:

> On 4/30/04 9:55 PM, "oldmanfury" wrote:
> 
>> The reason Daniel gave is that pitchbends, which are something like
>> 12 bits cannot be recorded as parameter locks which have 8 bit
>> resolution.  To which I replied something like "pitchbend be damned!
>> I don't play guitar, and I don't need no freekin' whammy bar on my
>> synth"
>> 
>> Really... if you could record everything except pitchbend, I'd be
>> more than fine with that, and I suspect that the majority of the
>> people on the list would be too.  Maybe it warrants a survey?
>> 
>> Which do you prefer:
>> a) A joystick that you cannot record parameter locks with
>> b) A joystick that you can record everything but pitchbend with
>> 
>> I would be really surprised if anybody answered a)
>> 
>> -gerald
> 
> Yea strange. I just don¹t get if you can live record knob movements for say
> a filter why can't it live record the joystick modifying that same filter.
> Cuz your recording parameter locks for the filter not the physical object
> you used to modify the parameter right?. When you assign something to the
> joystick the information the joystick transmits back must bypass the
> sequencer, and from what you say it was done purposely cuz recording pitch
> bend was not possible... Weird :)
> 
> -andy  
>