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new MD OS beta released....  :-)

Joe

WooHoo!

There's some nice new features there!

I like this one especially:

-- New machines group, CTR, with machines CTR-AL and CTR-8P:

* CTR-AL
Parameter changes are duplicated as relative changes to ALL other
tracks. Trigs have no direct effect, but can be used to hold locks.

Changes are permanent to the destination parameters. The function
of CTR-AL is the same as holding function while turning, but can
be used for adding parameter locks for all tracks.

* CTR-8P
Changes 8 Parameters from any track and page controlled from the
synthesis page and selected with the effects and routing pages. Trigs
have no direct effect, but can be used to hold locks.

Please note that changes are permanent to the destination parameters
for all CTR machines.

-----Original Message-----
From: Joseph Melnyk <jmelnyk@...>
To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 10:55:37 -0400
Subject: [elektron] guess what nobody noticed yesterday? (including me)

new MD OS beta released....  :-)

Joe





Yahoo! Groups Links

On Jun 29, 2004, at 11:11 AM, ripe wrote:

> WooHoo!
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>  There's some nice new features there!
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>  I like this one especially:

try the FUNCTION + parameter change one; instant MD insanity! :-)

Joe


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I don't see it on their page.  Is it hidden away somewhere?

c.

On Jun 29, 2004, at 11:11 AM, ripe wrote:

> WooHoo!
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> There's some nice new features there!
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> I like this one especially:
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> -- New machines group, CTR, with machines CTR-AL and CTR-8P:
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> * CTR-AL
> Parameter changes are duplicated as relative changes to ALL other
> tracks. Trigs have no direct effect, but can be used to hold locks.
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> Changes are permanent to the destination parameters. The function
> of CTR-AL is the same as holding function while turning, but can
> be used for adding parameter locks for all tracks.
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> * CTR-8P
> Changes 8 Parameters from any track and page controlled from the
> synthesis page and selected with the effects and routing pages. Trigs
> have no direct effect, but can be used to hold locks.
>
> Please note that changes are permanent to the destination parameters
> for all CTR machines.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joseph Melnyk <jmelnyk@...>
> To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 10:55:37 -0400
> Subject: [elektron] guess what nobody noticed yesterday? (including me)
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Just below the 1.12b in tiny letters - it got me too!

-----Original Message-----
From: Corey Appleby [mailto:digitalwank@...]
Sent: 29 June 2004 16:22
To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [elektron] guess what nobody noticed yesterday? (including
me)



I don't see it on their page.  Is it hidden away somewhere?

c.

On Jun 29, 2004, at 11:11 AM, ripe wrote:

> WooHoo!
>
> There's some nice new features there!
>
> I like this one especially:
>
> -- New machines group, CTR, with machines CTR-AL and CTR-8P:
>
> * CTR-AL
> Parameter changes are duplicated as relative changes to ALL other
> tracks. Trigs have no direct effect, but can be used to hold locks.
>
> Changes are permanent to the destination parameters. The function
> of CTR-AL is the same as holding function while turning, but can
> be used for adding parameter locks for all tracks.
>
> * CTR-8P
> Changes 8 Parameters from any track and page controlled from the
> synthesis page and selected with the effects and routing pages. Trigs
> have no direct effect, but can be used to hold locks.
>
> Please note that changes are permanent to the destination parameters
> for all CTR machines.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joseph Melnyk <jmelnyk@...>
> To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 10:55:37 -0400
> Subject: [elektron] guess what nobody noticed yesterday? (including me)
>
> new MD OS beta released....  :-)
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> Joe
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Yahoo! Groups Links

It's on the MD support webpage, underneath the standard OS download 
link, but here's a direct link:

http://www.machinedrum.com/files/SPS1_119_midi.zip

cheers
ripe

> I don't see it on their page.  Is it hidden away somewhere?
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> c.

On Jun 29, 2004, at 11:21 AM, Corey Appleby wrote:

> I don't see it on their page.  Is it hidden away somewhere?

http://www.machinedrum.com/mdsupport.php

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On Tue Jun 29 2004, Joseph Melnyk <jmelnyk@...> wrote:

> try the FUNCTION + parameter change one; instant MD insanity! :-)

Insanity is the right word... I really dislike this one. When I am jamming
with the MD with the mute function, and at the same time are tweaking
sounds it is way too easy to mess up.


So, what I do is this.

1. Start an MD pattern
2. Go into the mute screen
3. Set up a couple of tracks for mute/unmute by holding the FUNCTION 
button
4. While the pattern is playing and I am waiting for the right moment to 
release the FUNCTION button to let my mutes be effective, I want to tweak 
one of the sounds.
5. Turn the button for the parameter you would like to change

Result:
You change that parameter for all sounds in your kit. Not just the one 
that you expect to change. 

To get back the sounds you hade from the beginning you have to reload the 
kit, hopefully you had saved it before you started with the mute/unmute 
thing...



Or did I miss something in FUNCTION+parameter implementation? 
Function+press parameter button to reset all values for that parameter to 
what was saved in the kit?

/Janne

Doh!  I'm actually ashamed to admit I saw that but for some reason 
thought that was a previous version.

19 > 12

Thanks!

c.

On Jun 29, 2004, at 11:24 AM, charlie tear wrote:

> Just below the 1.12b in tiny letters - it got me too!
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Corey Appleby [mailto:digitalwank@...]
> Sent: 29 June 2004 16:22
> To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [elektron] guess what nobody noticed yesterday? (including
> me)
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> I don't see it on their page.  Is it hidden away somewhere?
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> On Jun 29, 2004, at 11:11 AM, ripe wrote:
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>> WooHoo!
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>> There's some nice new features there!
>>
>> I like this one especially:
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>> -- New machines group, CTR, with machines CTR-AL and CTR-8P:
>>
>> * CTR-AL
>> Parameter changes are duplicated as relative changes to ALL other
>> tracks. Trigs have no direct effect, but can be used to hold locks.
>>
>> Changes are permanent to the destination parameters. The function
>> of CTR-AL is the same as holding function while turning, but can
>> be used for adding parameter locks for all tracks.
>>
>> * CTR-8P
>> Changes 8 Parameters from any track and page controlled from the
>> synthesis page and selected with the effects and routing pages. Trigs
>> have no direct effect, but can be used to hold locks.
>>
>> Please note that changes are permanent to the destination parameters
>> for all CTR machines.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Joseph Melnyk <jmelnyk@...>
>> To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
>> Sent: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 10:55:37 -0400
>> Subject: [elektron] guess what nobody noticed yesterday? (including 
>> me)
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>> new MD OS beta released....  :-)
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>> Joe
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On Jun 29, 2004, at 11:28 AM, jgb@... wrote:

>  Result:
>  You change that parameter for all sounds in your kit. Not just the one
>  that you expect to change.

I do the exact same thing!  So it will take a bit of adjusting; but it 
seems to be
well worth it!

>  Or did I miss something in FUNCTION+parameter implementation?
>  Function+press parameter button to reset all values for that 
> parameter to
>  what was saved in the kit?

No, but that would be nice; however I'm not gonna complain because this
feature is great!

Joe

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I'm gonna load this and disappear for a while.  Oh yea, should our
kits and patterns be alright?  I think they will.  It's been a long time.

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Melnyk <jmelnyk@c...> wrote:
> On Jun 29, 2004, at 11:28 AM, jgb@c... wrote:
> 
> >  Result:
> >  You change that parameter for all sounds in your kit. Not just
the one

> >  that you expect to change.
> 
> I do the exact same thing!  So it will take a bit of adjusting; but it 
> seems to be
> well worth it!
> 
> >  Or did I miss something in FUNCTION+parameter implementation?
> >  Function+press parameter button to reset all values for that 
> > parameter to
> >  what was saved in the kit?
> 
> No, but that would be nice; however I'm not gonna complain because this
> feature is great!
> 
> Joe
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

AArghh!! I have my MD in Sweden for repair and I can't try these new 
ctr-machines right away!! :( 
How does they sound? Is the permanent change a problem with usage of 
this thing? I'm a little worried about this permanent change thing..

Toni.


--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "endlessnessisticman" 
<endlessnessisticman@y...> wrote:
> I'm gonna load this and disappear for a while.  Oh yea, should our
> kits and patterns be alright?  I think they will.  It's been a long 
time.
> 
> --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Melnyk <jmelnyk@c...> 
wrote:
> > On Jun 29, 2004, at 11:28 AM, jgb@c... wrote:
> > 
> > >  Result:
> > >  You change that parameter for all sounds in your kit. Not just
> the one
> > >  that you expect to change.
> > 
> > I do the exact same thing!  So it will take a bit of adjusting; 
but it 
> > seems to be
> > well worth it!
> > 
> > >  Or did I miss something in FUNCTION+parameter implementation?
> > >  Function+press parameter button to reset all values for that 
> > > parameter to
> > >  what was saved in the kit?
> > 
> > No, but that would be nice; however I'm not gonna complain 
because this

> > feature is great!
> > 
> > Joe
> > 
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I've never updated any of my elektron gear, can anyone
tell me how to do this with the sysx file?


	
		
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I'm a little worried about this permanent change thing..

One more question about this permanent change thing. Can you make for 
example a change of 7 points plus to all machines at the 5th 'slot' 
in pattern and then in change it back -7 points to all machines in 
13th pattern, so that kit goes back to its normal position?

Toni.



> 
> --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "endlessnessisticman" 
> <endlessnessisticman@y...> wrote:
> > I'm gonna load this and disappear for a while.  Oh yea, should our
> > kits and patterns be alright?  I think they will.  It's been a 
long 
> time.
> > 
> > --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Melnyk 
<jmelnyk@c...> 
> wrote:
> > > On Jun 29, 2004, at 11:28 AM, jgb@c... wrote:
> > > 
> > > >  Result:
> > > >  You change that parameter for all sounds in your kit. Not 
just

> > the one
> > > >  that you expect to change.
> > > 
> > > I do the exact same thing!  So it will take a bit of adjusting; 
> but it 
> > > seems to be
> > > well worth it!
> > > 
> > > >  Or did I miss something in FUNCTION+parameter implementation?
> > > >  Function+press parameter button to reset all values for that 
> > > > parameter to
> > > >  what was saved in the kit?
> > > 
> > > No, but that would be nice; however I'm not gonna complain 
> because this
> > > feature is great!
> > > 
> > > Joe
> > > 
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

On Jun 30, 2004, at 9:31 AM, tahvenaine2002 wrote:

> I'm a little worried about this permanent change thing..

no need to worry about it.  ;-) "permanent" may not be the best word to
describe it (though I don't know a better one).  from what I can tell, 
all that
they mean is that the changes you make in the CTR machines actually
change the values of parameters on the other machines. it's as if you 
had
physically changed the parameters yourself within the other machines.

> One more question about this permanent change thing. Can you make for
>  example a change of 7 points plus to all machines at the 5th 'slot'
>  in pattern and then in change it back -7 points to all machines in
>  13th pattern, so that kit goes back to its normal position?

yes and no. you can certainly do this. but things get slightly messy if
a parameter is near the min/max values (0 and 127 or -64 and +64). for
example, if you add 7 to all DEC parameters and track one's DEC was set
to 124, then it will be set to 127 after you've added 7. BUT when you 
then
try to delete 7 from it, it will be at 120 instead of 124. this happens 
with
the FUNCTION+parameter tweak as well.

Joe


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> > I'm a little worried about this permanent change thing..
> 
> no need to worry about it.  ;-) "permanent" may not be the best 
word to
> describe it (though I don't know a better one).  from what I can 
tell, 
> all that
> they mean is that the changes you make in the CTR machines actually
> change the values of parameters on the other machines. it's as if 
you 
> had
> physically changed the parameters yourself within the other 
machines.
> 
> > One more question about this permanent change thing. Can you make 
for
> >  example a change of 7 points plus to all machines at the 
5th 'slot'
> >  in pattern and then in change it back -7 points to all machines 
in
> >  13th pattern, so that kit goes back to its normal position?
> 
> yes and no. you can certainly do this. but things get slightly 
messy if
> a parameter is near the min/max values (0 and 127 or -64 and +64). 
for
> example, if you add 7 to all DEC parameters and track one's DEC was 
set
> to 124, then it will be set to 127 after you've added 7. BUT when 
you 
> then
> try to delete 7 from it, it will be at 120 instead of 124. this 
happens 
> with
> the FUNCTION+parameter tweak as well.

I hope there is away get away with this. Maybe something to recall 
saved kit settings (Function+parameter push maybe?). I would love to 
be able to set things very grazy in the middle of the pattern and 
then go back to normal settings again with a flip of a swicth.

Can anyone upload any sound samples of tweaking the ctr-machines? 
pretty please... (...with sugar on top).

Toni.

has anyone tried editing the swing for separate tracks??  I've been 
waiting for this one for ages but can't try it yet, being stuck in 
the office :(

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "olster2003" 
<oliver.tann@a...> wrote:
> has anyone tried editing the swing for separate tracks??  I've been 
> waiting for this one for ages but can't try it yet, being stuck in 
> the office :(

I think MD now has ability to set different wing points in different 
tracks, but the main swing is always same with every track (like 
56%). This is the way it has been done in Monomachine and I suspect 
it's same way here. Allthought I'm very excited about the individual 
accent. It should liven up things..

Toni.

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "olster2003" 
<oliver.tann@a...> wrote:
> has anyone tried editing the swing for separate tracks??  I've been 
> waiting for this one for ages but can't try it yet, being stuck in 
> the office :(

I think MD now has ability to set different wing points in different 
tracks, but the main swing is always same with every track (like 
56%). This is the way it has been done in Monomachine and I suspect 
it's same way here. Allthought I'm very excited about the individual 
accent. It should liven up things..

Toni.

The new CTR machines have definitely opened up another world of control
possibilities of this machine.  I am truly thankful for this.  Thank you
Elektron!
 
I'm sure this may have come up on this list before, but the concept of
the CTR machines inspired me to think more about another type of machine
that could perhaps be implemented.  Have a machine where it controls the
start and end points of the current playing pattern at the twist of a
knob.  Have another set of parameters that could also shift the position
of the trigs as well.  The combination of the two would allow on-the-fly
fills and variations of all sorts.  You could then apply an LFO to these
parameters and of course allow for parameter locks.  Perhaps call them
PAT machines.  Since pattern/trig changes are permanent, there would
need to be some mechanism in place to allow you to reset the pattern
back to its original state.  That could be tricky though.
 
-nate
 


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--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "nathan jantz" <nate@o...> 
wrote:
> The new CTR machines have definitely opened up another world of 
control
> possibilities of this machine.  I am truly thankful for this.  
Thank you
> Elektron!


I'm very pleased to see that people seem to like the new CTR-
machines. My MD is in repair and I cannot play this new feature, 
which I've been dreaming of since it came up on a wishlist!

I have to say that I never believed Elektron would do control-
machines. It is so unique idea and no other piece of gear have 
anything like this (as far as I know). I can already see my self at 
the older days and remembering that 'damn nice drummachine from 
elektron, which had these totally grazy CTR-machines'. 

If MD was comparable to XoX drummachines, it is now (with parameter 
locks too) going to where no drummachine or synth has ever been.

So I have to say that Elektron surely is a very different company 
than others. They actually did what the users asked for and lets 
remember that these new CRT-machine-ideas were pretty 'sick' already 
from the start. And they did it!!!! Thank you Elektron!!

Toni

ps. now I just wait for my MD to get back home...

>Have a machine where it controls the
> start and end points of the current playing pattern at the twist of 
a
> knob.  Have another set of parameters that could also shift the 
position
> of the trigs as well.  The combination of the two would allow on-
the-fly
> fills and variations of all sorts.  You could then apply an LFO to 
these
> parameters and of course allow for parameter locks.  

OMG!! This would be a very wild idea!! Would fit right in there with 
the CTR-machinegroup!

Toni.