Emax

The $800 price is the "as-is" it takes no account of whether or not they want more $$ for firmware changes.
I didn't say it didn't have firmware, I was saying it doesn't have firmware that will do what we want it to (SCSI - 1 compatibility).

Their main customers appear to be MILSPEC and embedded industrial, which when bidding for gov'ts we know they aren't worried about price....

and you wouldn't want to reverse engineer the SCM- they are LUN based.
We want a target based.
Target based drives only have maximum of 3 slots that I have ever seen, as that then takes 3 SCSI IDs.
Which is why SCSI went to LUN based infrastructure. So systems can literally have thousands of devices connected to them.... which they do now.... look at EMC VNX, VMAX, IBM XIV, HDS, etc having hundreds of disks in their storages....

It's easy to say "reverse engineer" something, but it's not as easy to do it.. and then sometimes it's illegal, etc.

On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 9:58 AM, Windrum Scoggin <windrumscoggin@...> wrote:

"MPL in Germany still makes drives, and they have indicated they are willing to modify firmware.

With that said- you have to buy drives to get any support And their drives were like $800.... again not cost effective."

NOT COST EFFECTIVE..THAT IS ABSOLUTELY OUTRAGEOUS!
How can they ever expect to sell an item whose USB equivalent is is anywhere from
5 dollars to 25 dollars?
If it is without the firmware then they are DAMNED PROUD of their devices and truly believe
that someone will eventually pay them since they are the only ones with the device (which I doubt the market demand is there so its wishful thinking pipe dreaming on MPL's part)
OR
If that is the price MPL wants for the unit WITH the firmware upgrade then its plain that they just
do not want to hassle withthe requirements of the firmware upgrade so they quoted you some astromical price just to get you to go away.
My question is if you can get the units cheaply, 'as is' from MPL then what would be the setback in simply figuring out a way do the upgrade
yourself or with the help of an inexpensive third party by simply reverse engineering one of our existing PC50/60B's?

On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 9:10 AM, Ted Summers <djtbs1@...> wrote:

I contacted SCM support in Asia about 3 yrs ago- they no longer support the drives and legacy support was turned over to a third party vendor (at that time)- that is how I got the Read / Write firmware for the PCD-50b (from the legacy support vendor).

MPL in Germany still makes drives, and they have indicated they are willing to modify firmware.
With that said- you have to buy drives to get any support from them (they won't modify the firmware unless you have shown a business need AND bought some drives, basically). And their drives were like $800.... again not cost effective.
There was no price break until you bought like 100 drives, and then it was like $30 a drive or something like that....

now I can't get off their mailing list :-(

-Ted

On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 1:40 AM, jammie <jammie.emma@...> wrote:

its very old code you would first need to disasemble the original as there are no available

hard copies this takes a very long time plus there might be some logic requied to make the signals as its a much later protocol in 1990,s about 4-5 years later than the emax

those cf drives from japan will work but they dont have a case you will need to make one they are not hot swap

and they are a clone of the acard 7720u and use the mac firmware with a direct cf card interface instead of the ide port

the cf card interface is identacal to the ide in fact just in a smaller format

yes it would be nice to have them cheap but for a 4 layer pcb design and manufacture and all the custom chips required and the acard chip is already end of life so when they are gone they are gone

its a very expensive product to get made in small quantities

remember the pcd drives and others original price tags was £200-500 new

they only became cheap when they became redundent tech because of usb

and they were made for the photo shop processing machines which now use the cheaper usb devices

now if you had the code and can do a rewrite then usb would be able to be done and would be cheaper like on the korg dss1 im an installer for tom and we have talked about a few machines and doing usb conversions

ensoniq was one but i could not get the code released even though the company has been dead since the late 90,s

same with roland i tried to get a non disclosure agrement in to creating new pcm cards for the jd800/990/jv1080 and was told no by there lawyer team

rob of the emulator archive tried to get all the code for the emax and he got everything they had but the code was lost

----- Original Message -----

From: bmacdoug1 .

To: emax@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2013 3:18 AM

Subject: Re: [emax] Uni-Flash USB alternative to the PCD 50/60B?

cant somebody that actually knows how to write firmware code open source this conversion easy? I mean is there intellectual property involved. IDE SCSI lund 0 1, is Arduino capable enough to do the math. Maybe not enough IO. Has anybody tried the SCSI CF drives from Japan, i just wish they were 75bucks not 150.

On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 4:55 PM, Windrum Scoggin <windrumscoggin@...> wrote:

I'm absolutely laughing my ass off!

At the situation of course.....

Not in the fact that poor musicians wasted loads of time and money by this guy...

Serves him right.

he's a NOOB now.

'NOBODY Out OF Business'

On Monday, October 28, 2013, jammie wrote:

yes he used to hot glue every thing and do lots of bodges

said things worked and they did not even with out testing

when i told him what worked for the ensoniqs he asked my supplier then went an brought the whole damn lot leaving me with only ten

and he was greedy when he ran out of iodat version 1 cards he brought iodata version 2 scsi to ide adapters and sold them as working for ensoniqs but they did not work which i new

i then had a moaning email from him saying that the iodata vesion 2 did not work and none of my jumper setting would work with it

i laughed at him telling him i could of told you that the version 2 cards did not work but he only contacted me when he had complaints he never even tested them

and then tried to blame me but thats what you get for being greedy and not checking it cost him a lot of money with payapl charge backs from customers and as they say what comes around goes around he brought all the stock that i had with a stockist and i could not get any more so it was tuff justice

dont shit on people who help you its the same as biting the hand that feeds you its just not done

----- Original Message -----

From: Ted Summers

To: emax@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, October 28, 2013 10:47 PM

Subject: Re: [emax] Uni-Flash USB alternative to the PCD 50/60B?

Secondly-

I never had dealings with the guy, but I think he disappeared when a virtual mob of pitchfork wielding village folk went looking for him.

Apparently they may have thought he was Frankenstein's monster (or sold them bad products or bad customer service or something like that) ????

There was quite some anger on the boards a couple years ago... if I recall correctly. Not just here, but synthzone and a couple other boards too...

-Ted

On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 3:35 PM, <windrumscoggin@...m> wrote:

has anyone successfully installed and used the Uni-Flash USB

here

http://www.2av.com.ua/indexe.htm

Secondly, what happened to this guy at SCSI for Samplers? He's all but disappeared

http://jimatwood.wordpress.com/2011/04/19/scsi-card-reader-drives-for-all-samplers/

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